Jos Buttler sacrifices his opening position for Phil Salt and Will Jacks in T20Is

[shaz619]

We’ve not seen Jos Butler for a while due to form and fitness issues, he took England to the ultimate high in delivering his country a World Title as captain.

It’s fair to say most cricket fans have missed Jos Butler.

It’s fair to say he has been England’s most prolific opener in T20’s and he transformed their fortunes with his belligerent batting during the PP overs.

I think a big portion of fans would have Jos as an opener in their all time XI.

So while he was out, the vision did not change, England want their openers to play a certain way without fear at the top and in come Phil Salt & Will Jacks who have been given license to score as quickly as possible.

With Jos coming back, surely the captain would be returning to his old position, it’s a no brainer right? nobody would complain, Will or Phil would have to drop down one.

But no, Jos Butler is deciding to lead from the front and putting his countries interests above all else, he wants to keep the momentum going with Phill & Will, there’s clear potential there and it’s a good pairing.

He got out for a duck in his first game back, something that could have easily provoked a return to the old ways, but he remained steadfast in his decision and produced a sensational match winning knock.

Regardless off his success at no.3, should more teams / leaders learn from this

 

[mominsaigol]

We’ve not seen Jos Butler for a while due to form and fitness issues, he took England to the ultimate high in delivering his country a World Title as captain.

It’s fair to say most cricket fans have missed Jos Butler.

It’s fair to say he has been England’s most prolific opener in T20’s and he transformed their fortunes with his belligerent batting during the PP overs.

I think a big portion of fans would have Jos as an opener in their all time XI.

So while he was out, the vision did not change, England want their openers to play a certain way without fear at the top and in come Phil Salt & Will Jacks who have been given license to score as quickly as possible.

With Jos coming back, surely the captain would be returning to his old position, it’s a no brainer right? nobody would complain, Will or Phil would have to drop down one.

But no, Jos Butler is deciding to lead from the front and putting his countries interests above all else, he wants to keep the momentum going with Phill & Will, there’s clear potential there and it’s a good pairing.

He got out for a duck in his first game back, something that could have easily provoked a return to the old ways, but he remained steadfast in his decision and produced a sensational match winning knock.

Regardless off his success at no.3, should more teams / leaders learn from this

No Butler should learn from Rizwan and Misbah on how to destroy a t20 team and nuke it into oblivion.

 

[shaz619]

@TheSultan @mominsaigol @Rana @topspin

This may have been raised already so apologies if it has, but I feel it deserves its own thread. I just find it so fascinating what Butler has done recently and it’s worth some reflection

 

[Rana]

@TheSultan @mominsaigol @Rana @topspin

This may have been raised already so apologies if it has, but I feel it deserves its own thread. I just find it so fascinating what Butler has done recently and it’s worth some reflection

I saw it.

he was taking the p opening in the first place if you ask me. He’s developed a mindset that he needs a few balls to get going and then he unleashes

The problem with our laanats is that they take a long time to get going and will hit 2 boundaries and then back to nudging

 

[mominsaigol]

@TheSultan @mominsaigol @Rana @topspin

This may have been raised already so apologies if it has, but I feel it deserves its own thread. I just find it so fascinating what Butler has done recently and it’s worth some reflection

Bro Butler has captained his side to a tournament victory in 2022 and was one of England's key batters in 2019 and stepped out for the all important super over and even got the final run out stumping denying NZ the chance to win the cup.

He's won 2 cups for his country, is the greatest t20 captain and greatest wk whiteball batter England has ever had.

He can do what he wants. If he wants to bat at no 3 to groom Jack's and salt he can, but if he wants opening back, will Jack's will trust his captain and wouldn't mind going at no 3. Jack's isn't a baby and is willing to bat at any no and will respect his captain and sake goes for Butler who has equal respect for Jack's.

Butler has earned the right to do whatever. The dude has no haters. He's one of the finest cricketers to ever represent England.

 

[shaz619]

I saw it.

he was taking the p opening in the first place if you ask me. He’s developed a mindset that he needs a few balls to get going and then he unleashes

The problem with our laanats is that they take a long time to get going and will hit 2 boundaries and then back to nudging

It’s better late then never, I didn’t mind it given his range, but a player of his stature could easily have gone back to opening. It goes back to what you said a while back when it comes to the ego, that is yet to be defeated in Pakistan. And those Laanats seldom make up for the time spent at the crease

 

[mominsaigol]

I saw it.

he was taking the p opening in the first place if you ask me. He’s developed a mindset that he needs a few balls to get going and then he unleashes

The problem with our laanats is that they take a long time to get going and will hit 2 boundaries and then back to nudging

Butler can do whatever he wants and no one will complain.

He's captained his side to victory and won his team a world cup.

Phelei rizwan aur Babar ko samjho kei kuda kei wastei, step forward In a super over if you're considered the 2 main batters of pak.

 

[shaz619]

Bro Butler has captained his side to a tournament victory in 2022 and was one of England's key batters in 2019 and stepped out for the all important super over and even got the final run out stumping denying NZ the chance to win the cup.

He's won 2 cups for his country, is the greatest t20 captain and greatest wk whiteball batter England has ever had.

He can do what he wants. If he wants to bat at no 3 to groom Jack's and salt he can, but if he wants opening back, will Jack's will trust his captain and wouldn't mind going at no 3. Jack's isn't a baby and is willing to bat at any no and will respect his captain and sake goes for Butler who has equal respect for Jack's.

Butler has earned the right to do whatever. The dude has no haters. He's one of the finest cricketers to ever represent England.

Great post bro, I got goosbumps reading it, you really summed up what Butler means to everyone in England and it is without question those boys would go out on their shield for him. Respect is earned through unselfish acts and I would say reward as well, he is a great example of an exemplary leader and this is just a drop in the ocean as far as Butler is concerned but I feel it needs to be highlighted because others don’t have the same mentality

 

[mominsaigol]

Great post bro, I got goosbumps reading it, you really summed up what Butler means to everyone in England and it is without question those boys would go out on their shield for him. Respect is earned through unselfish acts and I would say reward as well, he is a great example of an exemplary leader and this is just a drop in the ocean as far as Butler is concerned but I feel it needs to be highlighted because others don’t have the same mentality

Butler has earned respect by being a great player and winning 2 cups for his country. The only other player before Butler to ever achieve this feat was Kevin Pietersen.

However Butler is not only more likable them KP, in terms of achievements he's done more for England.

I rate KP > Butler as a batsmen, however Butler achieved more no doubt.

To top it off, he's also just a really great guy. Butler is pretty shareef and mellow compared to stokes who can be a massive ego head.

Thank God Butler plays for England.. had he been playing for pakistan they'd have eaten him alive. Shareef players like razzaq, Yousaf(as batting coach) and fakhar are always mistreated in pakistan and abused.

 

[Rana]

Rizwan’s ego is that he will only sacrifice his opening spot for Babar Azam


One of the greatest besharams to represent Pakistan in history

 

[shaz619]

Butler has earned respect by being a great player and winning 2 cups for his country. The only other player before Butler to ever achieve this feat was Kevin Pietersen.

However Butler is not only more likable them KP, in terms of achievements he's done more for England.

I rate KP > Butler as a batsmen, however Butler achieved more no doubt.

To top it off, he's also just a really great guy. Butler is pretty shareef and mellow compared to stokes who can be a massive ego head.

Thank God Butler plays for England.. had he been playing for pakistan they'd have eaten him alive. Shareef players like razzaq, Yousaf(as batting coach) and fakhar are always mistreated in pakistan and abused.

No doubt in LOI cricket he he has achieved more, I rate KP higher overall but don't want to take anything away from Butler, but no doubt he is certainly a more down to earth personality and you're right, he would be taken advantage of by the vultures in Pakistan, those who are selfish get put on a pedestal sadly.

 

[Devadwal]

Butler can Play at any position but rizwan can't.

 

[shaz619]

Rizwan’s ego is that he will only sacrifice his opening spot for Babar Azam


One of the greatest besharams to represent Pakistan in history

And the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he is a batter to be treated on par with Babar himself, and therefore as you said his position is only available for his bf, one of them has to open, it’s haram otherwise, though I bet they will be seething not to come out together against Australia U-16 team tomorrow and may present themselves as selfless heroes for one of them dropping to no.3.

 

[shaz619]

Butler can Play at any position but rizwan can't play T20 cricket.

Fixed.

 

[shaz619]

I genuinely feel if Mo. Harris spends a couple of seasons with Butler he would be a different player, seeing Pak have no plan for him.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Allowing Jacks and Salt to open is the right decision. They are more explosive than Jos who is past his 2022 peak version.

Right decision to give up keeping as well.

 

[Devadwal]

Fixed.

Yes for T20. Rizwan only can Play as an opener in T20 and if Pakistan think they have better option than rizwan ,they can dropped him.

 

[Rana]

Fixed.

This is required so Devdas can’t misguide people

 

[Mamoon]

Babar literally gave up his opening spot for Saim, whose SR has been lower than both Babar and Rizwan.

Not sure what the point of this thread is.

 

[Devadwal]

This is required so Devdas can’t misguide people

How so?

 

[Rana]

Babar literally gave up his opening spot for Saim, whose SR has been lower than both Babar and Rizwan.

Not sure what the point of this thread is.

The point is to give you a kick up your tashreef

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Buttler thinks quite deeply about T20 cricket and backs himself as a hitter, knowing that even if he gets bogged down then you he can very very quickly catch up. It's a brilliant mindset that he believes that he will be able to clear the ropes and a little quiet period doesn't mean too much because he knows he will catch up.

When a player bats in this way then it doesn't matter what position he comes in at.


"I had some really good chats with Kumar Sangakkara [Royals' director of cricket] about waiting for the time when you feel in, and understanding that you can still catch up after that if you need to," Buttler recalls.


"That period might come within five balls, but sometimes it might take 15 or 20 balls. We spoke about not worrying about that, knowing that I'm able to catch up later on if I have to, and that I can play differently once I feel more comfortable at the crease."


"That probably means I don't take as much risk at certain stages because I feel like at any point in an innings, I could hit two sixes in a row and I look at what that would take my score and strike rate to. That's been a way my batting has developed: I've certainly looked to back my six-hitting capability more than I used to in the past, or I wait for a ball that's in my area."

And I found this part quite interesting.

"Buttler has also changed his method while chasing, viewing a target in terms of how many boundaries he needs to hit rather than worrying about the required rate. "I heard a few guys talk about it like 'there's eight overs left, if we hit five sixes in that time, we'll win the game'. It's just a different way of thinking."

 

[shaz619]

Allowing Jacks and Salt to open is the right decision. They are more explosive than Jos who is past his 2022 peak version.

Right decision to give up keeping as well.

Yes, should take some weight of the captaincy shoulders, though there’s no doubt you see the game better behind the stumps. Those two are defo more explosive, Butler similar to Gayle needs to warm his wrists and feel the ball a bit before getting into a rhythm, he was tried at a number of positions but delivered best as an opener and even at his worst can still help get close to 60 runs in the PP, obviously you want more from someone like him, so it will be interesting to see how he goes at no.3 as many have viewed this as his most suitable position and so far decent start. If he had an ego he would have requested that he wants to open, actually, I think that was the original plan, but Butler wanted Phil & Will to continue opening.

 

[Mamoon]

The point is to give you a kick up your tashreef

There is no point whatsoever, but I am not surprised that people with low intelligence are excited by this low intelligence thread that clearly serves no purpose in the context of Pakistan cricket when Babar gave up his opening spot for Saim.

The OP clearly forgot about it when he made this thread, just like you completely forgot shout Sarfaraz losing two Test series in the UAE as captain.

I killed that thread with one post and this one is gone as well.

 

[Rana]

There is no point whatsoever, but I am not surprised that people with low intelligence are excited by this low intelligence thread that clearly serves no purpose in the context of Pakistan cricket when Babar gave up his opening spot for Saim.

The OP clearly forgot about it when he made this thread, just like you completely forgot shout Sarfaraz losing two Test series in the UAE as captain.

I killed that thread with one post and this one is gone as well.

Be quiet

 

[Rana]

Mamoon the minister of Laanat Propaganda

 

[shaz619]

Buttler thinks quite deeply about T20 cricket and backs himself as a hitter, knowing that even if he gets bogged down then you he can very very quickly catch up. It's a brilliant mindset that he believes that he will be able to clear the ropes and a little quiet period doesn't mean too much because he knows he will catch up.

When a player bats in this way then it doesn't matter what position he comes in at.


"I had some really good chats with Kumar Sangakkara [Royals' director of cricket] about waiting for the time when you feel in, and understanding that you can still catch up after that if you need to," Buttler recalls.


"That period might come within five balls, but sometimes it might take 15 or 20 balls. We spoke about not worrying about that, knowing that I'm able to catch up later on if I have to, and that I can play differently once I feel more comfortable at the crease."


"That probably means I don't take as much risk at certain stages because I feel like at any point in an innings, I could hit two sixes in a row and I look at what that would take my score and strike rate to. That's been a way my batting has developed: I've certainly looked to back my six-hitting capability more than I used to in the past, or I wait for a ball that's in my area."

And I found this part quite interesting.

"Buttler has also changed his method while chasing, viewing a target in terms of how many boundaries he needs to hit rather than worrying about the required rate. "I heard a few guys talk about it like 'there's eight overs left, if we hit five sixes in that time, we'll win the game'. It's just a different way of thinking."

Thanks for sharing this, great insight into the mind of a modern batting genius, he has also used other unconventional methods to improve his power hitting such as baseball & golf technique’s to improve the flexibility of his wrists and find new ways to find more torque in his shots. I think his mentality and that of Pak players is just night and day, now not everyone can play like him (those who might we don’t care about anyway), but there’s no focus on how to get better at hitting boundaries. I think Hafeez was the last guy to do it quiet late in his career and was very valuable in the middle order as a result. Rather then think in boundaries like Butler, certain Pak players think more in terms of preserving their wicket till the 20th over lol that’s how Pak approach a chase mate

 

[shaz619]

I see no reason to accommodate a player in the top order who is not equipped to play T20 cricket, and as for the Saim criticism, you should be thanking him for allowing you to celebrate Rizwan’s great triumph in Australia like the 92 WC.

 

[TheSultan]

This is the thing. Buttler has opened, it has succeeded, he’s won the t20 World Cup, he’s destroyed bowlers. But he’s willing to change for the betterment of his country’s future.

Compare this with our laurel and hardy. They’ve been opening together for 3 years. It’s never resulted in any tournaments, doesn’t look like it’s going to ever be successful, yet let’s just carry on because one day, maybe one day it will come off and if not well let’s up our stats.

And what’s even worse - some fans will argue tooth and nail for it!

 

[Rana]

Same thread with the same topic once again, yes because Rizwan and Babar have never sacrificed their opening spots.

Saim has played 21 T20s and he averages 14 at 122 SR.
Mo Haris averages 14 at 127 SR.

Boring thread.

What’s boring is your presence here.

 

[Mamoon]

Why you got to get all personal about IQ’s and what not lol you post here too. I see no reason to accommodate a player in the top order who is not equipped to play T20 cricket, and as for the Saim criticism, you should be thanking him for allowing you to celebrate Rizwan’s great triumph in Australia like the 92 WC.

You claimed that Buttler gave up his opening slot for Jacks because he is selfless and this how senior players should act.

So Babar giving up his opening slot for Saim a selfish act?

 

[Mamoon]

This is the thing. Buttler has opened, it has succeeded, he’s won the t20 World Cup, he’s destroyed bowlers. But he’s willing to change for the betterment of his country’s future.

Compare this with our laurel and hardy. They’ve been opening together for 3 years. It’s never resulted in any tournaments, doesn’t look like it’s going to ever be successful, yet let’s just carry on because one day, maybe one day it will come off and if not well let’s up our stats.

And what’s even worse - some fans will argue tooth and nail for it!

Do you actually not realize that Saim has opened the innings in T20Is for a long time now?

 

[Mamoon]

The only takeaway from this thread that some posters are unaware of the fact that Saim has been opening in T20Is over the past few months.

It is absolutely hilarious.

 

[Rana]

The only takeaway from this thread that some posters are unaware of the fact that Saim has been opening in T20Is over the past few months.

It is absolutely hilarious.

The only take away here is that NOBODY CARES about your dishonesty!

 

[shaz619]

You claimed that Buttler gave up his opening slot for Jacks because he is selfless and this how senior players should act.

So Babar giving up his opening slot for Saim a selfish act?

Saim was not given anything, the situation was forced in an extremely toxic environment. The Babar & Rizwan affair at the top had been exposed, they couldn’t score in high pressure games against quality attacks and orchestrated Pakistan’s worst performance in the PP overs across all teams. Saim could have done a bit better, but with a new player like him, as we’ve seen, the investment will pay off, you don’t just throw then out and let the accumulators remain in the top order.

Besides, I think Saim was under severe pressure which was uncalled for and it was also counter-productive for him to bat with both Babar & Rizwan in the top order. Rizwan in the line up hurts the entire team balance because you’re forcing Babar to open when he should be there at no.3. Saim should be opening the batting with another explosive opener or somebody who will look to maximise the PP overs opposed to preserving his wicket.

The team environment appears to be a bit more settled now and I can envision Babar & Saim working out in the short term against low quality attacks in bilateral which no other top players bother with, but I don’t think it’s the right combination for the next T20 WC.

Fakhar Zaman & Saim Ayub should open together in ODI’s & T20I’s, they would much better compliment each other. Babar can come in one down.

Mr. Selfish shouldn’t be anywhere near the team, but can’t wait for the typical Hareh Krishnah celebration when he smashes some bache over the next few days.

 

[Mamoon]

Saim was not given anything, the situation was forced in an extremely toxic environment. The Babar & Rizwan affair at the top had been exposed, they couldn’t score in high pressure games against quality attacks and orchestrated Pakistan’s worst performance in the PP overs across all teams. Saim could have done a bit better, but with a new player like him, as we’ve seen, the investment will pay off, you don’t just throw then out and let the accumulators remain in the top order.

Besides, I think Saim was under severe pressure which was uncalled for and it was also counter-productive for him to bat with both Babar & Rizwan in the top order. Rizwan in the line up hurts the entire team balance because you’re forcing Babar to open when he should be there at no.3. Saim should be opening the batting with another explosive opener or somebody who will look to maximise the PP overs opposed to preserving his wicket.

The team environment appears to be a bit more settled now and I can envision Babar & Saim working out in the short term against low quality attacks in bilateral which no other top players bother with, but I don’t think it’s the right combination for the next T20 WC.

Fakhar Zaman & Saim Ayub should open together in ODI’s & T20I’s, they would much better compliment each other. Babar can come in one down.

Mr. Selfish shouldn’t be anywhere near the team, but can’t wait for the typical Hareh Krishnah celebration when he smashes some bache over the next few days.

You wrote a lot but said nothing. Babar giving up his opening position for Saim was a selfless move but you don’t want to accept it because it doesn’t support your nonsense narrative.

Also, Fakhar isn’t a good T20 opener. Both Babar and Rizwan have performed far better than him.

 

[shaz619]

This is the thing. Buttler has opened, it has succeeded, he’s won the t20 World Cup, he’s destroyed bowlers. But he’s willing to change for the betterment of his country’s future.

Compare this with our laurel and hardy. They’ve been opening together for 3 years. It’s never resulted in any tournaments, doesn’t look like it’s going to ever be successful, yet let’s just carry on because one day, maybe one day it will come off and if not well let’s up our stats.

And what’s even worse - some fans will argue tooth and nail for it!

Why is this post lost on some people when it comes to the point of this thread.

I don’t want to propagate my own opinion on others but I want to incite some reflection for once on the part of certain Pakistan fans by asking questions and showing real world examples.

Ignorance is bliss however.

 

[shaz619]

You wrote a lot but said nothing. Babar giving up his opening position for Saim was a selfless move but you don’t want to accept it because it doesn’t support your nonsense narrative.

Also, Fakhar isn’t a good T20 opener. Both Babar and Rizwan have performed far better than him.

It wasn’t a selfless act, you’re entitled to your view but if it was, would have happened A LOT EARLIER.

Give Fakhar as many chances as Babar & Rizwan then we shall see, but I doubt that when certain forces want to keep him out for obvious reasons…

 

[TheSultan]

Do you actually not realize that Saim has opened the innings in T20Is for a long time now?

A few matches is not a long time, it’s a mere abberation. They were back to opening in their last t20 game.

 

[topspin]

@TheSultan @mominsaigol @Rana @topspin

This may have been raised already so apologies if it has, but I feel it deserves its own thread. I just find it so fascinating what Butler has done recently and it’s worth some reflection

One of the reasons why Babar will be forgotten by the time he retires is because of his selfishness. The guy should take a leaf out of Buttler’s book.

 

[hafizexpress]

To say that Saim being opener for a few months is due to Babar being unselfish is ridonculous. For how long did Babar and Rizwan occupy the opening spots and let Pakistan stall and suffer in t20 cricket with their backward PP starts and accumulating for 16 overs before leaving it to people like Ifti, Asif Ali, Shadab, Khushdil, etc., to pick up the slack and ruin their careers.

Babar was not unselfish to sacrifice his opening spot. He was afraid of backlash and pressure. He didn't want to and he'd still rather open with Rizwan and continue keeping Pakistan behind the rest of the world. To be honest, he also only did it bc Shaheen did it and he had to follow the trend otherwise his selfishness would have been exposed.

I usually back these guys but in a convo about t20 cricket and opening??? Not at all. The RizBar combo has killed Pakistan t20 cricket. It can still be saved but not as long as one of these two lead the team

 

[shaz619]

This thread was a premonition of what was to come, I warned you in advance, but still, you don’t really learn the hard way?

I was fully expecting Rizwan to selfishly open against inferior opposition and destroy the entire team composition, he has complete authority of the players he wants and this is the brand of cricket he wants then to play.

I think the stars aligned to make the game 7 overs per side and Pakistan were completely exposed, Rizwan & Babar failed to clear the inner circle against a severely weakened Australia, once again showing you that both players are not equipped to bat in the top order together for the PP overs, it has led to catastrophic defeats and I blame them for inciting a collapse and almost being bowled out in a 7 over match.

Now they may go back to business in a full T20 game to just paper over the cracks which Pakistan fans love to ignore. But let it be known what happened today, it could have been avoided if they were willing to follow a very simple template using Jos Butler, example was given to you in the OP.

 

[Rana]

The two laanats of T20 cricket were all set to open today. The printers team sheet had Babar and Rizwan as openers.

The reduced overs game forced Pakistan’s hand in a way they didn’t want to.

 

[Minnowbasher]

People acting as though he have top quality power hitters ready to replace Babar and Rizwan.
Drop them and watch us be bowled out in 15 overs every game.
You don't have Will Jacks and Phil Salt quality players. Accept it.

Today we saw no one could clear the boundary. Not Usman, not Farhan, not Salman, not Irfan. Even if Asif Ali was there he would have been caught on the boundary aswell.
We've tried plenty of experiements - asif, khushdil, iftikhar, shadab (up the order), haider etc.
They are all hacks no technique no ability to score 50s.

 

[Rana]

Drop them and watch us be bowled out in 15 overs every game.

Ok

Please let it happen. Let’s see if it’s true.

 

[Rana]

@shaz619

Remember the constitutional law of Pakistan. One laanat has to be paired up with a genuine talent.

 

[shaz619]

The two laanats of T20 cricket were all set to open today. The printers team sheet had Babar and Rizwan as openers.

The reduced overs game forced Pakistan’s hand in a way they didn’t want to.

Rizwan came out to bat a bit on edge but the delusional part of him was like maybe he can take on these bache. Babar on the other hand was too shrewd and his gamble didn’t quiet pay off because the two ended up opening anyway. I can’t fathom how Pakistan fans justify others opening ahead of them in a shortened game but still want them to open under normal 20 over conditions, what kind of mental fishery is that mate

 

[shaz619]

@shaz619

Remember the constitutional law of Pakistan. One laanat has to be paired up with a genuine talent.

They will both combine then to become the two laanats of the apocalypse, the laanats of destruction

 

[shaz619]

People acting as though he have top quality power hitters ready to replace Babar and Rizwan.
Drop them and watch us be bowled out in 15 overs every game.
You don't have Will Jacks and Phil Salt quality players. Accept it.

Today we saw no one could clear the boundary. Not Usman, not Farhan, not Salman, not Irfan. Even if Asif Ali was there he would have been caught on the boundary aswell.
We've tried plenty of experiements - asif, khushdil, iftikhar, shadab (up the order), haider etc.
They are all hacks no technique no ability to score 50s.

Fakhar Zaman & Saim Ayub are much better equipped to exploit the PP overs.

You filled the line up with accumulators and are led by a captain who doesn’t understand T20 cricket and shouldn’t be playing it either, accommodating him disturbs the balance.

If Pakistan are led by a captain who understands the format and can actually hold his place in the side effectively, I ought to think you’d bring in personnel who think more in boundaries, opposed to batting averages.

It’s a cop out to suggest there’s no other option, like how low do you want to stoop, are these defeats not enough, did the USA loss not give you a reality check?

I would rather give a more belligerent team a long rope and as many chances as Babar & Rizwan got opposed to doing the same thing over and over again, you don’t need Einstein to tell you that’s insanity!

 

[shaz619]

The selfishness of Babar & Rizwan has again for the upteenth time cost Pakistan severely, they are openers who are only happy to chase low totals, how messed up is that?! And still, not hitting any boundaries in the PP is just a crime. The game was decided once again during the PP overs, a legend like Butler is willing to step aside and make way for Batters in England best equipped to tackle the PP overs, like who the hell do you think you are Babar/Rizwan - you’re not half the batter Butler is and have insanely inflated ego’s, and you keep allowing this insanity to go on; both players and their fans make me

 

[shaz619]

This selfishness is so predictable I told you days ago, but you still defend blindly. So called Pakistan fans my foot.

 

[Rana]

The two greatest curses in the history of Pakistan

 

[The Bald Eagle]

54 by them today against West Indies in the fourth T20I

 

[shaz619]

54 by them today against West Indies in the fourth T20I

Decent - the ball count would be good to, series is already won to my prah and we can test the bench without worrying about spots in the team. Well done to both chaps and also to Butler for his leadership.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Even if he has not, that would have been fine.

Will jacks can easily play at number 3. He is not like Pakistan batters, crying to open the inning.

 

[zaidihusain]

The selfishness of Babar & Rizwan has again for the upteenth time cost Pakistan severely, they are openers who are only happy to chase low totals, how messed up is that?! And still, not hitting any boundaries in the PP is just a crime. The game was decided once again during the PP overs, a legend like Butler is willing to step aside and make way for Batters in England best equipped to tackle the PP overs, like who the hell do you think you are Babar/Rizwan - you’re not half the batter Butler is and have insanely inflated ego’s, and you keep allowing this insanity to go on; both players and their fans make me

I am very surprised why team management and PCB is not noticing these unfair tactics adopted by Babar & Rizwan. For how long this torture will continue? These 2 must be dropped from T20 side together at least for next 20-25 games, team's approach and performance will improve certainly.

 

[Rana]

Even if he has not, that would have been fine.

Will jacks can easily play at number 3. He is not like Pakistan batters, crying to open the inning.

Openers crying to open the batting,

How is that a problem?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Openers crying to open the batting,

How is that a problem?

It is a problem too.

The major problem is the lack of use of power play by Rizwan and Babar.

But the fact any of our batsmen can only clear the inner circle in a power play and can't hit otherwise is also a problem.

You take Phil Salt and drop him to 4 and he will play the same way.

Seemingly our batsmen can only play for 6 overs and then the game is too hard for their batting skillset.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Jos is a good leader so i am not surprised to see him making the right call. The way T20 cricket has evolved, it’s clear that the absolute best batsmen and by that I mean those who can score fast should bat at the top and make the most of the power plays. Ideally you need batsmen who can bat with 200+ SR when they’re going at it. In short one of the Top 3 has to be the kind of batsman who goes absolutely berserk if it’s his day.