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cricfan967 said:
It's the Pakistan domestic system. Many players get away with these kind of things until international level [Shabbir Ahmed] . I don't think this one's too serious though, looks like the thing Akhtar has with his arm.
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Well when you play for Pakistan A or under 19 Pakistan , then its intl game .. not under the umberalla of PCB ..... so if his action has problem it would have been highlighted by now ...
 
"Junaid Khan's bowling action is questionable" : Basit Ali

In a fresh blow to the Pakistan cricket team, fast bowler Junaid Khan is likely to be banned for suspect action. According to Basit Ali, former Pakistani batsman and cricket analyst, Junaid's action is objectionable.

junaid was drafted into Pakistan national team last week to participate in World Cup, beginning Feb 19. But according to experts his career is likely to end even before it starts.

"There is an evident jerk in Junaid's action. As he prepares for the World Cup, I think he will be banned in his first match itself," said Ali.

"No doubt he has played outside the country and has so far gone unnoticed, but at the ICC World Cup he will come under observation of expert umpires that would lead to his ban. I think Pakistan took a wrong decision by including him into World Cup squad," Ali added.


Read More at -- http://www.rediff.com/cricket/repor...ds-action-questionable-basit-ali/20110216.htm
 
mate as afridi has said in his recent interview some people will talk positve and some negative.I hope he will be impressive
 
the pcb should have had his action tested out in australia a long time ago.

now if he gets banned that means he won't be able to play any further games until he gets his action tested in australia and gets the all clear.

so his world cup will be over and we will be short of player in the world cup.


shoaib akhtar, ajmal, shabbir, malik were all reported so mr basit ali might have point here.
 
I would wait and see his bowling first, before believing any nonsense from any xyz.
 
Did a PP fan on here question Junaids action in one of the threads made about him? I hope this news isnt true.
 
carbon11 said:
the pcb should have had his action tested out in australia a long time ago.

now if he gets banned that means he won't be able to play any further games until he gets his action tested in australia and gets the all clear.

so his world cup will be over and we will be short of player in the world cup.


shoaib akhtar, ajmal, shabbir, malik were all reported so mr basit ali might have point here.
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I don't think reporting will come with an immediate ban. even if he is reported, he will be allowed to play until get tested in Australia. coming to the topic, it's just Basit's personal view and doesn't hold much weight.
 
basit shouldn't be worrying about junaid , waqar will take care of him .
 
I agree wid basit his action looks to have a slight jerk to naked eye but cant say whether he is chucking or not ......
 
MOHAMMED_Umar said:
In a fresh blow to the Pakistan cricket team, fast bowler Junaid Khan is likely to be banned for suspect action. According to Basit Ali, former Pakistani batsman and cricket analyst, Junaid's action is objectionable.

junaid was drafted into Pakistan national team last week to participate in World Cup, beginning Feb 19. But according to experts his career is likely to end even before it starts.

"There is an evident jerk in Junaid's action. As he prepares for the World Cup, I think he will be banned in his first match itself," said Ali.

"No doubt he has played outside the country and has so far gone unnoticed, but at the ICC World Cup he will come under observation of expert umpires that would lead to his ban. I think Pakistan took a wrong decision by including him into World Cup squad," Ali added.


Read More at -- http://www.rediff.com/cricket/repor...ds-action-questionable-basit-ali/20110216.htm
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When Afridi said the former players have nothing better to do than criticize other players, I think this is the kind of stuff he meant. Even if Ali thought his action was problematic it was unfair on the youngster for him to air this publicly. I think his action is fine, the jerk comes from the wrist and not the elbow/arm and that is perfectly ok. If you see him in the T-20 thats what he looks like. Very disappointing comment from a former player who should be doing his utmost to encourage and support a talented youngster. I doubt very much that Basit Ali has even seen this guy live in action. And if so he should have commented on it at that point.
 
Disappointing stuff from Basis.Why make it pubic on the eve of the world cup?If he had any legitimate concerns should'veraised them when he was included in 30.Now is not the time to say oh he definitely will be banned.
 
If he get's banned then there are something real wrong with our domestic setup. Being a genuine fast-bowling nation we sould be the last country to have our players banned for suspect action.

What are the coaches at NA doing? What about The coaches of Pakistan A team? What about The umpires such as Zameer Haider, Nadeem Ghouri who both are international umpires and must have seen Junaid's action many times?

If a bowler can go unnoticed through this system and then be caught in a WC, then I am really worried abou lack of basic knowledge in our cricketing setup.

But let's pray his action is clean:)
 
IAJ said:
If he get's banned then there are something real wrong with our domestic setup. Being a genuine fast-bowling nation we sould be the last country to have our players banned for suspect action.

What are the coaches at NA doing? What about The coaches of Pakistan A team? What about The umpires such as Zameer Haider, Nadeem Ghouri who both are international umpires and must have seen Junaid's action many times?

If a bowler can go unnoticed through this system and then be caught in a WC, then I am really worried abou lack of basic knowledge in our cricketing setup.

But let's pray his action is clean:)
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Completely agree.Playing at mohalla level you look out for suspect action when you see a bowler for the first time so these guys should be held accountable if they are not doing their job properly.
 
Rubbish rubbish stuff from Basit Ali.... If he was so concerned he could have gone to meet with Junaid Khan and told him about the problem.. or he could have met selectors to raise his concern... As a former Pakistani batsman I have lot of respect for Basit Ali, but as an "ex-cricketer expert", he is showing not a great attitude.

And its not the problem of Basit Ali only. Most of the ex-cricketers that appear on TV/newspapers e.g. Basit Ali, Sarfraz Nawaz, Javed Miandad, Abdul Qadir etc. keep on criticising the players all the time. May be they think that criticising is the only way of becoming a popular expert ???

I have only seen Imran Khan and to some extent Wasim Akram encouraging the team ahead of World Cup. Even Shoaib Malik, who would have loved to be part of the team for sub-continent World Cup has pumped the team up in his recent interview. May be he holds grudges against several players in the currently selected team but he still didnt come against them in public, indeed he supported them.

God knows when our "ex-cricketers" will realize their responsibilites.
 
To me personally it doesn;t look too bad oh well lets wait and see
 
i think he watched too much of YOUTUBE.. thats really negative mindset from him.. just giving BS before the important WORLDCUP and giving the authority the more chance to keep an eye on him... more... these should be served notice to keep their mouth shut.
 
tahir_dj said:
i think he watched too much of YOUTUBE.. thats really negative mindset from him.. just giving BS before the important WORLDCUP and giving the authority the more chance to keep an eye on him... more... these should be served notice to keep their mouth shut.
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Thats kinda true they shouldn't be the ones questioning their own bowler i mean wait until he plays and than let ICC decide, As i said earlier his action doesn;t look too bad :junaid
 
H said:
Thats kinda true they shouldn't be the ones questioning their own bowler i mean wait until he plays and than let ICC decide, As i said earlier his action doesn;t look too bad :junaid
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Am sure its not as worse as MALINGA
or Jhonson
 
Basit being ultra smart here - the best way to establish a reputation a-la-Latif ie whistle-blower....



1. If Junaids action is fine - well, sorry I stand corrected
2. If Junaids action is NOT file - well, didnt I say so? Pls visit my facebook page and follow me on twitter...

Win Win situation.

Btw, Akhtars action is dodgy ...
 
remember all the noise about ajmal in england
he has a kink bla bla even though he had been cleared

if this junaid kid plays there will be massive pressure to get him banned.

there will be noises coming from england, india, australia, newzealand, south africa that he chucks it.

umpires will have no option but to report him

icc will be under pressure and prevent the kid from playing until action has been cleared.

what if junaid khan gets a fiver against england in semi-final and pakistan goes into final .
then strauss starts moaning about his action or someone like botham.
then he is reported and when he gets finally tested month or so later he is found that he chucks.
imagine the uproar from england and media
the icc wouldn't risk controvery like this.

i think thats why pakistan are reluctant to play junaid. they didn't play him against south africa, didn't play him against new zealand, and wasn't playing against bangladesh.
i think coaches know there is doubt with his action , doubt that can only be cleared if he is tested.
a thing pcb should have done half a year ago if they really think this lad is a future prospect.


Btw, Akhtars action is dodgy ...
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i think he has been tested and cleared , his is a case of hyperextension

on the other hand shabbir and malik were banned and deemed illegal in maliks case it was the doosra not his normal offspinner i think.
 
ajmal to my eyes chucked his doosra when he started, just look at the odis vs aus, no one can say his arm was straight or within 15 degrees, he has worked hard to straighten his arm over the last year or two, but as a result his doosra spins away a lot less than it did vs australia back in abu dhabi odis and t20s.

it is still quite naive to assume his arm is always within 15 degrees, ps im not picking on ajmal, there are a lot of off spinners who play for other teams who chuck as well. the proliferation of bent arm off spinners is more down the the icc than the individuals tho. if u allow it, it will happen.

shoaibs arm hyper extends, there isnt much doubt about that.

i think even the team management may have there doubts if they dont play junaid in the next warm up game.
 
Well he's played lots of games for Pakistan A and nothing has been said about his action in those tours.
 
well as far as I am concern our bowling coach is neither blind nor a kid .... his name is Waqar Younis ... I don't think you have to correct him or aqib javed on that regard that if they can see the flaw in the action or not .. if they feel there is something wrong which might damage him .. they will not even put him the hot water where he can find himself on wrong foot .. thats how I believe .. all others with all those opinions should just keep to themselves rather than making them public this way for their own advantages
 
y do ppl constantly bring malinga into these topics, his action is one of the straightest arms going these days.
 
carbon11 said:
remember all the noise about ajmal in england
he has a kink bla bla even though he had been cleared

if this junaid kid plays there will be massive pressure to get him banned.

there will be noises coming from england, india, australia, newzealand, south africa that he chucks it.

umpires will have no option but to report him

icc will be under pressure and prevent the kid from playing until action has been cleared.

what if junaid khan gets a fiver against england in semi-final and pakistan goes into final .
then strauss starts moaning about his action or someone like botham.
then he is reported and when he gets finally tested month or so later he is found that he chucks.
imagine the uproar from england and media
the icc wouldn't risk controvery like this.

i think thats why pakistan are reluctant to play junaid. they didn't play him against south africa, didn't play him against new zealand, and wasn't playing against bangladesh.
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HAHAHAHA what a "beautiful" story :)):)) mate the kid hasn't even bowled a ball in International cricket..

Since when have been Pakistan reluctant to play him.. He was not selected for South Africa as there were other options who were in consideration. Yes for the NZ series, his name was in serious consideration but management (especially Afridi) wanted Sohail Tanvir in the team to have a new ball bowler... but it turned out that Sohail Tanvir wasn't fit enough...

Only 1 game (and that also a warm up game) has passed by now where Pakistan didnt play Junaid.. Yes if the other 14 players were played in the game and only Junaid was rested than your concern would have been ok. May be in next game one of the quickies from Gul/Wahab is rested and Junaid being played... Even thats quite possible that Pakistan play the same combination against England to keep the winning combination.

Even if Junaid doesn't get a game now, he would most probably get a game if Pakistan qualifies for quarterfinal and couple of final group games become dead-rubber.
 
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If his arm in the above pic is bend then I need to see a doctor...
 
it isnt and same here...i prob need to see a doctor aswell...people would rather just see talha or cheema in the side ahead of him hence all the insinuations of chucking and arm bending...
 
He has a jerk in his action that makes it seem as if he's throwing the ball but there isn't an obvious bend in his elbow. It's a different action but I don't think it's illegal.

And Prince_Pathan. You need to stop accusing people of being biased just because they disagree with you.
 
Prince_Pathan said:
it isnt and same here...i prob need to see a doctor aswell...people would rather just see talha or cheema in the side ahead of him hence all the insinuations of chucking and arm bending...
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bro, wat r u talking about? No one is asking for Cheema or Talha. Everyone here on PP is excited to see JK in action. However, this is absolutely un-necessary and pathetic stuff from Basit ali.
 
Inswinger said:
He has a jerk in his action that makes it seem as if he's throwing the ball but there isn't an obvious bend in his elbow. It's a different action but I don't think it's illegal.

And Prince_Pathan. You need to stop accusing people of being biased just because they disagree with you.
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i didnt accuse anybody of being biased if you read above post...i just said am sure people would rather have the two other mentioned bowlers ahead of him...nobody randomly makes up a thread to suggest their own national team bowler chucks it :facepalm:
without actually seeing him bowl properly...a couple of blurry youtube videos dont prove anything
 
Prince_Pathan said:
i didnt accuse anybody of being biased if you read above post...i just said am sure people would rather have the two other mentioned bowlers ahead of him...nobody randomly makes up a thread to suggest their own bowler chucks it :facepalm:
without actually seeing him bowl infront of their own eyes live on tv...
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Brother, let's not kid ourselves. Why did you come up with Talha and Cheema? Why not Tabish or Sohail?
 
hey guys i did mention in my post that his action looks questionable.
From the videos i have seen yes his action looks questionable.
now it depends how far he bends he is allowed 15 only if he has any medical problems.
 
Inswinger said:
Brother, let's not kid ourselves. Why did you come up with Talha and Cheema? Why not Tabish or Sohail?
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i dont know much about tabish...infact i dont know who he is
sohail khan is lets be honest not that good lol

everybody mentions cheema and talha quite frequently
 
MIG said:
Basit being ultra smart here - the best way to establish a reputation a-la-Latif ie whistle-blower....



1. If Junaids action is fine - well, sorry I stand corrected
2. If Junaids action is NOT file - well, didnt I say so? Pls visit my facebook page and follow me on twitter...

Win Win situation.

Btw, Akhtars action is dodgy ...
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Akhtars elbow goes backward more than the usual arm which is straight when stretched... thats what causes his action to look dodgy... even though it isnt as he is stretching his arm straight and hence bent backwards...
 
Uhaymid said:
Akhtars elbow goes backward more than the usual arm which is straight when stretched... thats what causes his action to look dodgy... even though it isnt as he is stretching his arm straight and hence bent backwards...
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but akhtar has hyper extension.
 
its a forum, people give their opinions, no need to be paranoid about it dude.

Why would anyone have a vendetta against junaid khan? it jsut does not make any sense.
 
I do feel there is some thing wrong with his action but I am pretty sure its legal.
 
Maybe right in saying but wrong timing.You don't tell these after a player gets selected for the national team.You have to sort it out earlier or leave it to the umpires later.
 
talk about messing up someones confidence.....thank you basit ali....let the poor guy get a game first...

pehle hi shuru hojate hain loag
 
well if he had not said somebody will say it after watching him bowl .So its not about timing. People should be brave enough to face criticism instead of expecting others to only priase.
We should respect cricketers opinions and find better ways to disagreeing instead of accusing them and questioning their loyalties.
 
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The Living Legend of PakPassion Afridi_Fan thinks Basit Ali's does not know a squat about Junaid Khan's Bowling action. : PTI
 
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samiakh said:
When Afridi said the former players have nothing better to do than criticize other players, I think this is the kind of stuff he meant. Even if Ali thought his action was problematic it was unfair on the youngster for him to air this publicly. I think his action is fine, the jerk comes from the wrist and not the elbow/arm and that is perfectly ok. If you see him in the T-20 thats what he looks like. Very disappointing comment from a former player who should be doing his utmost to encourage and support a talented youngster. I doubt very much that Basit Ali has even seen this guy live in action. And if so he should have commented on it at that point.
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+1
He said this in nothing other but in "Bolain Kiya Baat Hai" program which has always been stirring controversies and sensationalize events that have more to do with the cricketers personal life or PCB than the cricket itself.

I think the senior players should be helping rather than pulling youngsters down. If there is action issue, it is totally PCB failure once again. I hope BASIT is so wrong.
 
Krishnan said:
Maybe right in saying but wrong timing.You don't tell these after a player gets selected for the national team.You have to sort it out earlier or leave it to the umpires later.
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+1 he should have raised the point early on or better shut up once JK was added to the team.
 
I ask myself, who knows better about fast bowling basit ali or national coach waqar younis??
 
What I saw of Junaid.... his action is dodgy!! For his sake, I hope its not the case....
 
How many of those (including Basit Ali) who are putting doubts on his action, have seen Junaid Khan bowling in real life??

I am amazed that after seeing a couple of blurry clips from his clips, people have started to make judgment about Junaid's bowling action. And I am also pretty sure that Basit Ali also read this controversy from Pakpassion (as he along with some ex-cricketers are regularly involved in giving interviews to PP).. So there is a fair chance that he surfs here anonymously...
 
Why he would say that? Now they will be paying more attention to his bowling. :umarakmal
 
Bewakoofi ki hadh hai! :facepalm:

Such comments show to what extent can this guy go to, to establish his image as Mr. Know-it-all

Saying with so much confidence that he'll be banned in his first match is more than pathetic.

I hope Junaid or any other member of the team does not read this crap. Basit Ali needs something better to do.
 
Everybody is entitled to have his opinion, so whats the big fuss. There are couple of threads on PP suspecting his action already. Playing cricket at International level, being a selector, coaching players atleast he has the right credentials to comment on cricket issues rather then the internet jokies. Did any player got reported because someone in the press or media suspected his action. ICC/Umpires has their own set of rules and if someone thinks that his comments will be reason they will moniter him is plain stupid.
 
cricwiz said:
How many of those (including Basit Ali) who are putting doubts on his action, have seen Junaid Khan bowling in real life??

I am amazed that after seeing a couple of blurry clips from his clips, people have started to make judgment about Junaid's bowling action. And I am also pretty sure that Basit Ali also read this controversy from Pakpassion (as he along with some ex-cricketers are regularly involved in giving interviews to PP).. So there is a fair chance that he surfs here anonymously...
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Mate, Junaid plays Grade II trohpy from Port Qasim Authority, And that team is made by Rashid LAtif. And Basit is the Right Hand of Latif. And Basit Ali was once in the selection panel of Pakistan team.

So, I my view he knows better than us and you.

Basit doesn't need to read magazines or websites to create the story like u created in the end of your post.
 
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Are we naive enough to believe that the ICC is going to be honing in on Junaid's action because of what has been said?
 
pakistani fast bowler, no doubt the ICC will look into it to ensure we lose another bowler.
 
Only rediff is reporting this news so i will wait for a more credible source
 
sunnykhan said:
Mate, Junaid plays Grade II trohpy from Port Qasim Authority, And that team is made by Rashid LAtif. And Basit is the Right Hand of Latif. And Basit Ali was once in the selection panel of Pakistan team.

So, I my view he knows better than us and you.

Basit doesn't need to read magazines or websites to create the story like u created in the end of your post.
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if he knew about it all along , why did he not say anything when he was included ?
 
Looney said:
if he knew about it all along , why did he not say anything when he was included ?
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So everything is in Basit's hand? I am sure someone would have asked about Junaid Khan so he gave his opinion. It's not that he held a press conferrence and voiced his opinions.
 
all our ex criciters want is a job with the pcb as soon as they get it they c no evil and hear no evil .... im sorry basit nobody takes u seriously, at least encourage the guy he hasnt even made his debut yet , if he reads this he will have self doubts ....... i hope junaid goes on to do well and shuts basit up .... of whatever ive seen of junaid his action is fine im sure its not beyond the 15 degrees
 
funny that Murli and Akhtar , sreesanth are allowed to play, but they are eyeing a kid?

ICC should have brought it to attention much earlier if he had an issue . Junaid is been playing for Pak A for a while as i understand it.
 
now not sure if this news is true as it is only from an indian source
 
Basit Ali should not have said that all ... look at this kids age , education , background ... and then consider what a statement like this can do to him .

Basit Ali has just pressurized Junaid . I fear that in order to look legal he will change his action which can cut his capabilities as no genuine fast bowler can adjust with new action in days .
 
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