Just one victory from 6 games to show for the tour of England in 2021

[MenInG]

I understand that in today's world, in all fields of work, we are judged by results and not intentions.

Then why does this not apply to Pakistan cricket?

Exactly what action will be taken to ascertain the reasons for this loss?

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Very predictable. You nailed it in your post that results are the only thing that matters and we were whitewashed in ODIs by a C team and lost the T20 series 1-2. Awful tour for us but is anyone surprised. Hopefully this is the last we see of Misbah and Waqar as coaches.

 

[Ahmed216]

We need more experience in our pace bowling.

 

[iky]

exactly the point I have been making these 2 need to get sacked they are awful and ruining this team

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

It's high time people accept Pakistan is just a minnow team in the making.

No guts, no planning, no skills, no body language, no determination, no dedication, no nothing

The fact that players like Sharjeel and Azam are making it to the team, shows the serious lack of talent

( In LOIs) India and England have two squads. Australia and NZ have 25+ players ready.

Pakistan has maximum of 5 players. Even those 5, none of them are match winners.

Just wait for the WC, where they're placed in the most asian group, even NZ have Sodhi and Santner, on UAE pitches.

I think Pakistan would be lucky to win against Afghanistan & Bangladesh, let alone India and New Zealand

 

[YousafTheBeast]

The embarrassing thing is that most of these players have played before in these conditions vs the same opposition, not once but at least 3/4 times.

 

[shamaan]

The odi series was shocking the t20 was good and competitive

 

[KingKhanWC]

ODI series Pak were not ready for Englands aggression. Time is an issue but Pak need a few warm up matches before taking on even a 2nd England XI which is strong.

T20 both teams were even, anyone could have won the series, good effort from Pak.

 

[castortroy]

What I have taken from this series is that the bowling attack is one of the worst of recent years.

No standout pacer. All very very expensive as well as a bunch of average spinners

 

[Kroll]

It's high time people accept Pakistan is just a minnow team in the making.

No guts, no planning, no skills, no body language, no determination, no dedication, no nothing

The fact that players like Sharjeel and Azam are making it to the team, shows the serious lack of talent

( In LOIs) India and England have two squads. Australia and NZ have 25+ players ready.

Pakistan has maximum of 5 players. Even those 5, none of them are match winners.

Just wait for the WC, where they're placed in the most asian group, even NZ have Sodhi and Santner, on UAE pitches.

I think Pakistan would be lucky to win against Afghanistan & Bangladesh, let alone India and New Zealand

We have accepted it, but obviously we need to do something about it. Rome wasn't built in a day as they say.

 

[Technics 1210]

An embarrassing tour; in fact, I would go as far as saying, THE most embrassing tour of Pakistan in England.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

ODI series Pak were not ready for Englands aggression. Time is an issue but Pak need a few warm up matches before taking on even a 2nd England XI which is strong.

T20 both teams were even, anyone could have won the series, good effort from Pak.

You are forgetting that England to field a new team 48 hours before the game

 

[Bhaijaan]

T20 loss to an almost full strength England team is acceptable. Pakistan were competitive and destroyed English bowling in one of the matches. It was a historic painty. T20 squad is forgiven.


ODIs whitewash to a C level English team is unacceptable and the culprits must face consequences.

Having said that Pakistan seems to have made peace with the fact that they are a mediocre small cricket team and we might not see much outcry. People were already keen to defend Rizwan who carried the bat scoring only 76. That's where things have come down to. That mamba mentality of 1990s Pakistan team is a thing of history.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You are forgetting that England to field a new team 48 hours before the game

Not when I wrote 2nd England XI.

England 2nd XI could be any Int team, perhaps not 3-0 but Pak are always undercooked and underprepared on most away tours. The coaches do need to address this as not good enough, win or lose.

 

[CricLegend]

Pakistan are on the decline and management are continuing with same the same brand of cricket, playing cautiously upfront and then hoping for someone to give it a bash at the end with a 200SR... that was misbah formula when he was captain and we had the worst period of ODI cricket under his leadership. We are back here once again.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Not when I wrote 2nd England XI.

England 2nd XI could be any Int team, perhaps not 3-0 but Pak are always undercooked and underprepared on most away tours. The coaches do need to address this as not good enough, win or lose.

That means Pakistan home wins don't mean anything because PCB don't schedule practice games for them. Take your excuses somewhere else.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

That's our level.

We can't beat a top 4 side in a bilateral except for a fluke here and there.

Even in Pakistan we won't be able to beat a full strength Eng, Aus or India. Pakistani wickers are very batting friendly and we just can't score big regularly.

 

[KingKhanWC]

That means Pakistan home wins don't mean anything because PCB don't schedule practice games for them. Take your excuses somewhere else.

Perhaps you just started watching this sport.

At home you know the conditions but abroad all teams need practice, warm up games and more time to get used to the conditions. Pakistan does do it worse than some teams, this is why they should improve.

Its no big deal, the key for this tour was try out some players in different positions and also to prepare for the T20 world cup. In the UAE Pakistan will be favourites imo along with India to win it.

 

[t_kaay]

An embarrassing tour; in fact, I would go as far as saying, THE most embrassing tour of Pakistan in England.

Yes it was disappointing, but I think a certain tour of England starring Asif, Amir and Mr Butt would be the most embarrassing tour, don't you?

 

[Rafa]

5-1 overall is too bad a result for Pakistan side especially getting Whitewashed in the Odis by a second string English side.

 

[BaankeJi]

T20 was a good show. It was two equal strength teams fighting for series.
Pakistan t20 performance can't be called bad (let alone awful).

ODIs are where improvement is needed.

 

[srh]

I understand that in today's world, in all fields of work, we are judged by results and not intentions.

Then why does this not apply to Pakistan cricket?

Exactly what action will be taken to ascertain the reasons for this loss?

Some Pakistan fans are ok with only 1 victory because their favourite player score runs even if those runs cost Pakistan dearly.

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

We have accepted it, but obviously we need to do something about it. Rome wasn't built in a day as they say.

And the Rome u wanna build is under construction since 1999

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

No shame in losing to No. 1 White ball team in the world. Build on positives. In UAE conditions, on a bit slow wickets, I will still bet on Pakistan to beat some fancied sides like NZ/England.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Two different formats . Pakistan competed well in T20's against a fairly strong England team (no Stokes, Archer, Wood but still) and I think PAK are currently less than the sum of its parts. With the right approach, Pakisyan should be a major threat at the World T20.

Getting wiped by a bunch of newbies in the ODI series shows that Pakistan will continue to struggle in 50 ivers and that it's their weakest format.

 

[Energy]

Obviously, our players lack match awareness, are poor tactically, cannot deliver under pressure etc.

But, what are we going to do about it? That is the question. Are we going to panic and recall a brand new squad for the WC? Or are we going to stick with this bunch and hope for the best?

 

[cricketjoshila]

We have accepted it, but obviously we need to do something about it. Rome wasn't built in a day as they say.

Who will build this rome? The present pcb dispensation needs to go. A new thought process needs to come.

Pakistan needs to develop and train talent as other teams do. Reverse swing is limited these days, hence pakistani bowlers need to rely on other skills. I watched the games, bowlers were bowling quick and full. The batsmen waited the crease to hit it. If it was reversing, this same ball would have been very difficult to hit. Pace alone will not beat international batsmen.

The batsmen except Babar and Rizwan just want to hit through the line, go bang. Yes power hitting is required, but you need sensible hitting.

If pakistan invests properly into developing proper academies where a new thought process is inculcated into the players, within couple of years pakistan will be a very good team.

Right now, the administrators and support staff behaves like fan boys playing to the gallery.

A weak pakistan team is not good for cricket.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No shame in losing to No. 1 White ball team in the world. Build on positives. In UAE conditions, on a bit slow wickets, I will still bet on Pakistan to beat some fancied sides like NZ/England.

England has two good LoI spinners in Rashid and Moeen.

 

[deep82]

5 T20's vs WI will be crucial . If Pakistan loses this series, Misbah & co. will be on knife edge.

I have a sneaky feeling Misbah and Waqar will booted out after an expected debacle in WT20.

 

[Extra_Cover]

In ODI's the thing that stood out was how mentally defeated the players were. I was hoping PCB over the years would have work with some psychologist or associated a mentor / mental wellbeing staff with the team to make them mentally tough. This is something as a management they can try and drive into their players. Its unfortunate that after being jolted in first ODI the body language dropped and they were never able to pick themselves up throughout the series.

In T20s, Babar and Rizwan continued on their merry way again. Sohaib Maqsood gave glimpses but not consistency throughout this tour. As for Fakhar, I much rather have Fakhar at 5 rather than 3 as there is no one better than him when it comes to handling pressure mentally in this team. Fakhar although not producing results can have a calm head when situation is demanding.

Overall, it was a bad tour for both players and management. As T20s are immediate concern with 2 world cups looming our priority should be to ensure we have a settled lineup for T20. The batting order of first 5 seems to be settled however our bowling is far from settled. We need to invest more time in ensuring our bowling does not go missing more often than not.

 

[deep82]

In T20s, Babar and Rizwan continued on their merry way again. Sohaib Maqsood gave glimpses but not consistency throughout this tour. As for Fakhar, I much rather have Fakhar at 5 rather than 3 as there is no one better than him when it comes to handling pressure mentally in this team. Fakhar although not producing results can have a calm head when situation is demanding.

Overall, it was a bad tour for both players and management. As T20s are immediate concern with 2 world cups looming our priority should be to ensure we have a settled lineup for T20. The batting order of first 5 seems to be settled however our bowling is far from settled. We need to invest more time in ensuring our bowling does not go missing more often than not.

I don't think the first five are settled. The T20 team is totally dependent on Babar and Rizwan giving them good start which they have managed to achieve consistently so far ( albeit with a safe approach of reaching around 50 in powerplay).Once Babar and Rizwan falls early ( say 20/2), there is no confidence within the team to reach a competitive total or chase a total. We have seen that exactly in first two ODIS when both babar and Rizwan failed and the inning went nowhere.

 

[Shafi]

Misbah and Waqar will easily get away with 5-1 loss. Thanks to fluke win in first T20. Pakistan team is average team for long but Misbah and Waqar destroyed our cricket by turning it to 2nd division club level. Timid Mani will go to hibernate, IK is still in early 90s with fancy dreams and sweet talk Wasim Khan will have to face the criticism. No future and nobody care for our cricket.

 

[shortbread]

The team management can do simple things that will create immediate impact. For starters the fielding/fitness!

3 months before the tournaments starts, ask some of the physical laggards to lose weight and build some strength in their legs/core. The reason top sides like England/NZ take incredible catches stems from the basic fact they attempt them. Most players in this team would not even think about it knowing their limitations fully well.

It's not just good enough being competent cricketers, in the modern game they need to be competent athletes. The whole squad should aim to field like Shadab or Babar!

 

[hitthestump]

The difference has been off the field.
England have proper structure, proper mindset and proper coaches. Pakistan have Misbah and Waqar.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Pakistan did well in T20 series. It was closely fought.
The ODI result was very one sided.
People forget that this England team is the best limited overs team they ever had. They are one of the best limited overs team I have seen. England has totally changed the way limited overs cricket is played. Their approach is extremely entertaining and effective as well atm.

Pakistan need to identify 20-25 best cricketers in the country and stick by them. Choping and changing does not help in the long run.

The standard of selection need to be higher than Azam Khan.

 

[Thephenom]

Not good loosing to England C team in the ODI’s but if we’d batted 1st at Leeds we’d probably be talking about a 2-1 series win ourselves, and ultimately that comes down to our management team

 

[Jabo]

Waqar is a cancer as a coach
just in it for the money

and misbah is an amateur... PCB made these awful decisions when one has been the headcoach twice and failed on both occasions.

as far as players go
we don't have any great batsman or bowlers minus 1 of 2.

we are a below mediocre side and would struggle Bangladesh/SL/Zimbabwe

 

[PakHammer]

Another thing was the stupid PCB twitter posts. After that one win, they went overboard with the self praise. Even having a video of Barbar and Azam discussing how good they are at opening the batting. Win the series than have this kinda of stuff.

We won one game against an undercooked team & almost lost that!

 

[Kroll]

Who will build this rome?

Misbah and Waqar - the greatest cricketing minds the world has ever seen and the biggest swashbuckling duo since Starsky and Hutch.