Justin Trudeau in India: Is the Canadian PM being cold-shouldered?

[Gabbar Singh]

This is what happens when you elect a drama teacher as head of government.

Justin Trudeau and his family mocked for ‘extra’ outfits on India trip

HE’S the politically correct politician with movie star looks, but this week might have been when the world fell out of love with Justin Trudeau.

The Canadian Prime Minister has been widely mocked during his eight-day trip to India that has been branded an “absolute fiasco” as he appeared in a series of traditional Indian outfits and at holiday-style media opportunities with his family.

Canadian media was scathing about the visit, that included a large entourage and a celebrity chef. The Ottawa Citizen said “the tone was just weird” and noted the BBC’s Ayeshea Perera’s comments that the trip “appears to be a series of photo ops cunningly designed to showcase his family’s elaborate traditional wardrobe.”

“There sure doesn’t seem to be much business to attend to. A half-day here, a meeting there, perhaps a whole day all told out of an eight-day state visit set aside for what you might call state business,” the paper reported.

Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau (R), along with his wife Sophie Gregoire Trudeau (L), daughter Ella-Grace (2nd L) and son Xavier (2nd R) pose for a family photo as they pay their respects at the Sikh Golden Temple in Amritsar. Picture: Amritsar District Public Relations Officer.
Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau (R), along with his wife Sophie Gregoire Trudeau (L), daughter Ella-Grace (2nd L) and son Xavier (2nd R) pose for a family photo as they pay their respects at the Sikh Golden Temple in Amritsar. Picture: Amritsar District Public Relations Officer.Source:AFP

Preparing chappati for a communal vegetarian meal. Picture: Amritsar District Public Relations Officer
Preparing chappati for a communal vegetarian meal. Picture: Amritsar District Public Relations OfficerSource:AFP

With Bollywood star Shan Rukh Khan. Picture: Sean Kilpatrick/The Canadian Press via AP.
With Bollywood star Shan Rukh Khan. Picture: Sean Kilpatrick/The Canadian Press via AP.Source:AP

Playing cricket with son Hadrien. Picture: AP Photo/Manish Swarup.
Playing cricket with son Hadrien. Picture: AP Photo/Manish Swarup.Source:AP

Some social media users called out the fact his wife and daughter covered their head while he remained in a suit. Picture: AFP PHOTO / Prakash SINGH
Some social media users called out the fact his wife and daughter covered their head while he remained in a suit. Picture: AFP PHOTO / Prakash SINGHSource:AFP

Picture: AFP PHOTO / NARINDER NANU
Picture: AFP PHOTO / NARINDER NANUSource:AFP

The Washington Post said it was an “absolute fiasco” and Mr Trudeau had “only himself to blame.”

“How did Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, the world’s favourite liberal mascot — a feminist man, with movie-star good looks, a 50 per cent female cabinet and a political lexicon that has replaced “mankind” with “peoplekind” (making millions swoon) — end up looking silly, diminished and desperate on his trip to India this week?” said one opinion piece.

“I confess, from afar, I used to be a Trudeau fan-girl. But after this trip, I’ve changed my mind. Trudeau has come across as flighty and facetious. His orchestrated dance moves and multiple costume changes in heavily embroidered kurtas and sherwanis make him look more like an actor on a movie set or a guest at a wedding than a politician who is here to talk business. Suddenly, all that charisma and cuteness seem constructed, manufactured and, above all, not serious.”

Meanwhile, Conservative party leader Andrew Scheer, told Reuters: “I don’t know if Justin Trudeau thinks that international trade missions are reality TV shows, but they are not.”

The Globe and Mail called it a “tone deaf” visit on a “threadbare itinerary” that left him looking “foolish”.

Indian magazine Outlook called the family’s outfits, “too Indian even for an Indian.”

Namaste. Picture: Sean Kilpatrick/The Canadian Press via AP.
Namaste. Picture: Sean Kilpatrick/The Canadian Press via AP.Source:AP

The family were into it from the get go. Picture: Sean Kilpatrick/The Canadian Press via AP.
The family were into it from the get go. Picture: Sean Kilpatrick/The Canadian Press via AP.Source:AP

white people after one (1) yoga class pic.twitter.com/eGFf9RaOTe

— Neha Yadav (@nay_yeah) February 21, 2018
Some people are rolling their eyes at the Trudeau family's 'extra' fashion choices in India https://t.co/qhjEiR30nP pic.twitter.com/62TPeeDzlD

— National Post (@nationalpost) February 22, 2018
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau visits the Sabarmati Mahatma Gandhi Ashram. Picture: AP Photo/Ajit Solanki.
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau visits the Sabarmati Mahatma Gandhi Ashram. Picture: AP Photo/Ajit Solanki.Source:AP

But far from just a series of fashion faux pas, the trip has been dogged with genuine outrage after it was revealed a Sikh extremist convicted of attempting to murder an Indian politician had been invited to dine with Mr Trudeau at the Canadian High Commissioner’s residence in New Delhi.

To make things worse, a picture surfaced of the man at the cenre of the controversy, Jaspal Atwal, with Sophie Trudeau, the prime minister’s wife. Jaspal Atwal is a Canadian national of Indian heritage, who in 1987 was sentenced to 20 years in a Canadian court for his part in the attempted murder of a visiting Indian state minister.

Mr Trudeau has previously been accused of being soft on Sikh extremists, some of whom want a separate homeland from India.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...p/news-story/c07e2c045e32dd20ad1a8955c7ebded6

 

[sshakir411]

you missed my point..i said "in huge numbers". basically will you start respecting trump if he is favourable towards pakistanis? I guess you will, but I won't. So you can keep worshipping trudeau, just don't expect me to do the same.

Why have you assumed I dislike Trump?

 

[cricketjoshila]

or maybe he's snubbing him now because of this?

https://www.hindustantimes.com/worl...as-genocide/story-1YPs2tiMkvtW2Tp7UDyydK.html

Modi and BJP take on the Congress party under whom 1984 riots happen on a regular basis.

Modi visited Canada in 2015 when Harper was PM and not Trudeau.

Lastly no other country has jurisdiction in what happens in India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why would India beg? Simply because India DOES NOT have other suppliers for Uranium other than Kazakhstan!

https://thediplomat.com/2015/02/tracking-indias-imported-uranium/

Also if Thorium can be used, you need to ask Modi why he wants to import Uranium.

Begging is for people who cannot buy. Like some of Indias neighbours.

India can buy Uranium from the biggest producer Australia and buys it.


http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...makes-first-uranium-shipment-to-india/8722108

 

[cricketjoshila]

Fine. Why was Modi unaware of Trudeau's support for the Sikhs when he visited Canada?

Wasnt Harper the Canadian PM then?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Lots of strawman arguments on this thread. People are writing reams and reams of stuff assuming that JS was somehow "rebuffed". In fact he's being treated just like any other head of state. Looks like India has followed every protocol so far. What India hasn't done is gone out of its way to treat him like a special guest (like Obama was). But what is wrong in that? Not everyone can be special. If everyone becomes special, then those who are truly special won't feel like they're being treated as special.

Indians are mocking JS because he's treating this trip like tourism (7 days) rather than a business trip (2-3 days). He's doing bhangra etc. Nothing wrong in that per se, but you just open yourselves to social media warriors having a bit of fun at your expense.

So you were mocking him for touristy stuff? Fair enough, although if that's the case describing him as eating dust, grovelling and inviting him to polish Cpt. Arminder Singh's shoes was probably a bit strong.

 

[Slog]

This guy is walking talking definition of political correctness

 

[www787]

This guy is walking talking definition of political correctness

it is almost uncomfortable to see him like that

 

[R3verse Swing]

Begging is for people who cannot buy. Like some of Indias neighbours.

India can buy Uranium from the biggest producer Australia and buys it.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...makes-first-uranium-shipment-to-india/8722108

Blatant lies.

Australia is not the biggest producer of Uranium.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_uranium_production

http://www.world-nuclear.org/inform...-uranium/world-uranium-mining-production.aspx

 

[cricketjoshila]

Blatant lies.

Australia is not the biggest producer of Uranium.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_uranium_production

http://www.world-nuclear.org/inform...-uranium/world-uranium-mining-production.aspx

Huh?

I said India can buy from the largest producer. India buys from Kazakhastan.You yourself said so.

Though Australia hold the largest reserves and sell to India.

Has canada said they will not supply uranium to India? Are they going to listen tp you?

 

[R3verse Swing]

Australia is not the largest producer, as you woefully claimed.

Producer is not the same as reserves.

Let it sink in.

Don't change the subject.

 

[English August]

So you were mocking him for touristy stuff? Fair enough, although if that's the case describing him as eating dust, grovelling and inviting him to polish Cpt. Arminder Singh's shoes was probably a bit strong.

I don't know which part of "nothing wrong in that per se" wasn't clear to you. I'm perfectly fine if he hangs with Bollywood celebrities and acts like poster boy for Indian tourism department. I was only commenting on him getting mocked in the social media.

As for Amarinder Singh, JT did grovel. Before the trip he refused to meet with Singh under pressure from his Khalistani brothers and then changed his mind (presumably under pressure from someone else?). The optics of the way this whole thing was managed was terrible for a PM of a G-7 country.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Australia is not the largest producer, as you woefully claimed.

Producer is not the same as reserves.

Let it sink in.

Don't change the subject.

I said India can buy fron largest producer, isnt India buying from the largest producer?

Btw when will canada stop the supply to India? Did they tell you?

 

[Tusker]

There is quite a misconception that India is unsafe for women, a misconception based on a few incidents that get a lot of media attention. However, in a large country of 1,300 million people a few criminals will always be present. The data says that India is one of the safest countries in the world for women, something consistent with my own experience.

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quite right ... especially after the #MeToo episode in the West which was quite shocking considering how the West is far ahead in terms of education and awareness levels. Besides ... Hinduism is the only religion that has Female Gods.

 

[Varun]

Gotta ask - do we have anything to lose by dissing Trudeau?

They're not a very important country are Canada.

 

[English August]

Gotta ask - do we have anything to lose by dissing Trudeau?

They're not a very important country are Canada.

First of all, I don't think anyone's dissing JT. Regular and social media are beating up on him for being a pappu, but the Government of India treated him well, just like they'd do any visiting Head of State. Admittedly he wasn't treated extra special, but that's reserved for truly important visitors like the US President, Israeli PM etc.

You're right: Canada isn't all that important to India. They don't make it into our top 20 trading partners. Belgium, Venezuela and Nigeria are ahead of them.

Strategically they do not offer India any leverage.

 

[sjahmed23]

Restrict their visa access, you will see Modi taking first flight to Canada.

 

[Varun]

Restrict their visa access, you will see Modi taking first flight to Canada.

Even if they take that measure, we'll have the position of strength in such a negotiation. I wonder why you're jumping around like a cat on a hot tin roof though - where have you emigrated to, and what value do you bring the local economy and society?

 

[sjahmed23]

Even if they take that measure, we'll have the position of strength in such a negotiation. I wonder why you're jumping around like a cat on a hot tin roof though - where have you emigrated to, and what value do you bring the local economy and society?

why would I discuss my business with you?

Position of strength? yeah right.

 

[Varun]

why would I discuss my business with you?

I'm an Indian living in India. Are you a Pakistani living in Pakistan? Or *shudder* are you British Pakistani?

 

[Romali_rotti]

You're right: Canada isn't all that important to India. They don't make it into our top 20 trading partners. Belgium, Venezuela and Nigeria are ahead of them.

Strategically they do not offer India any leverage.

What are you talking about ? Canada is huge for India,

1) Dont you know their measly, puny, tiny population of Sikhs will liberate Punjab from India and name is Khalistan ?

2) They wont sell us any Uranium because the tiny, puny, pro khalistani Canadian Sikhs will put a halt to it.





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P.S. Sorry I was pretending to be a Pakistani when I wrote the above.......

 

[Pakistanian]

If Canada isn't important for India then the millions of indians in Canada aside from the sikhs should move back to the first world country that is India and the hundreds of thousands of Indians that want to study in Canada and and desperately seek Canadian visas should also cancel their applications loool Patriotism makes people so delusional, India is a cesspool compared to Canada which is one of the wealthiest nations in the world.

 

[Varun]

If Canada isn't important for India then the millions of indians in Canada aside from the sikhs should move back to the first world country that is India and the hundreds of thousands of Indians that want to study in Canada and and desperately seek Canadian visas should also cancel their applications loool Patriotism makes people so delusional, India is a cesspool compared to Canada which is one of the wealthiest nations in the world.

Canada's economy will buckle if they let go of immigrants - both Indians and Chinese. IT and Pharma will be affected in particular, and their grad schools won't be bustling as they are today.

It's all about the money at the end of the day.

 

[jagatk]

If Canada isn't important for India then the millions of indians in Canada aside from the sikhs should move back to the first world country that is India and the hundreds of thousands of Indians that want to study in Canada and and desperately seek Canadian visas should also cancel their applications loool Patriotism makes people so delusional, India is a cesspool compared to Canada which is one of the wealthiest nations in the world.

Hey Genius, how exactly does any of that affect Govt of India and its Foreign Policy? If you set aside your India is the worst and I hate india rhetoric and actually use your brain you will find Canada does not mean much to the indian govt.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Restrict their visa access, you will see Modi taking first flight to Canada.

So Canada will restrict visa access, then stop uranium trade. What else?

I hope Trudeau is reading PP.

 

[Pakistanian]

Canada's economy will buckle if they let go of immigrants - both Indians and Chinese. IT and Pharma will be affected in particular, and their grad schools won't be bustling as they are today.

It's all about the money at the end of the day.

Yeah their economy will suffer if they dont take in immigrants in general not specifically Indian immigrants There are plenty of countris around the world especially 3rd world countries that can supply Canada with immigrants I swear y'all think you're some snowflakes. Canada won't suffer much by shutting out indians but poor middle class indians will suffer by being denied a chance to a higher quality of life in a country where they have higg rates of emigration lol.

 

[jagatk]

There is quite a misconception that India is unsafe for women, a misconception based on a few incidents that get a lot of media attention. However, in a large country of 1,300 million people a few criminals will always be present. The data says that India is one of the safest countries in the world for women, something consistent with my own experience.

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I won't go as far as it is very safe and the general conservative and patriarchal society is a big minus for me. But it isn't any worse than an average western country, if they are bad then yes we are bad too but then you will find no country really is by that standard.

 

[Pakistanian]

So Canada will restrict visa access, then stop uranium trade. What else?

I hope Trudeau is reading PP.

It's not about Canada will do, it's about highlighting your ungratefullness towards Canada, it's making your delusional group of people realize that Canada is a wealthy country global power in its own right.

 

[Varun]

It's not about Canada will do, it's about highlighting your ungratefullness towards Canada, it's making your delusional group of people realize that Canada is a wealthy country global power in its own right.

Canada is hardly any global power. They are a bigger poodle to the USA than even the UK. No major economic, diplomatic or military decisions are taken without a phone call to the White House.

They are what Nepal is to India, or Mongolia is to China.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yeah their economy will suffer if they dont take in immigrants in general not specifically Indian immigrants There are plenty of countris around the world especially 3rd world countries that can supply Canada with immigrants I swear y'all think you're some snowflakes. Canada won't suffer much by shutting out indians but poor middle class indians will suffer by being denied a chance to a higher quality of life in a country where they have higg rates of emigration lol.

Let canada decide these things, shouldnt we?

Btw what is the visa situation for pakistanis in usa? Extreme vetting still?

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's not about Canada will do, it's about highlighting your ungratefullness towards Canada, it's making your delusional group of people realize that Canada is a wealthy country global power in its own right.

Lol. Ungrateful? For what lol?

Global power? It isnt a global power.

For Pakistan, Canada may look like a global power, for a emerging economy with nuclear power, it isnt.

 

[Varun]

Yeah their economy will suffer if they dont take in immigrants in general not specifically Indian immigrants There are plenty of countris around the world especially 3rd world countries that can supply Canada with immigrants I swear y'all think you're some snowflakes. Canada won't suffer much by shutting out indians but poor middle class indians will suffer by being denied a chance to a higher quality of life in a country where they have higg rates of emigration lol.

There is a difference between Indian/Chinese immigrants and immigrants from the third world countries you speak of. Education is a priority for these two countries, and they specialize in certain fields other nationalities don't have a prayer in: Information Technology, Pharmaceuticals, Manufacturing just to name a few.

If I (Varun) was living in Canada and had to go back - would you (Pakistanian) take up the slack? What is your area of expertise? Have you even studied further like we have? Exactly.

 

[Pakistanian]

There is a difference between Indian/Chinese immigrants and immigrants from the third world countries you speak of. Education is a priority for these two countries, and they specialize in certain fields other nationalities don't have a prayer in: Information Technology, Pharmaceuticals, Manufacturing just to name a few.

If I (Varun) was living in Canada and had to go back - would you (Pakistanian) take up the slack? What is your area of expertise? Have you even studied further like we have? Exactly.

I swear y'all are so deluded and out of touch, many immigrant nations whether it be Pakistanis, Nigerians, Koreans, Filipinos, Arabs or Argentians all value education. Ive seen many Pakistan tech pros even in my own family lol there are plenty of Arab and African doctors and medical students y'all think you're some special snowflakes and lol at study "further", y'all are much older than me, I'm still working on my degree and plenty of first gen Americans are in the STEM fields lmao

 

[Varun]

I swear y'all are so deluded and out of touch, many immigrant nations whether it be Pakistanis, Nigerians, Koreans, Filipinos, Arabs or Argentians all value education.

Unfortunately, statistics show that Pakistanis and Nigerians don't seem to value (higher) education. Proportionate to population, these nationalities are among the lowest represented in grad schools in the West (among major countries of course), and the less said about the Arabs, the better. Only recently has Saudi Arabia taken some measures to increase the output of research papers from their country, but it remains to be seen how successful this will be in years to come.

 

[Pakistanian]

Unfortunately, statistics show that Pakistanis and Nigerians don't seem to value (higher) education. Proportionate to population, these nationalities are among the lowest represented in grad schools in the West (among major countries of course), and the less said about the Arabs, the better. Only recently has Saudi Arabia taken some measures to increase the output of research papers from their country, but it remains to be seen how successful this will be in years to come.

That isn't true for America, Pakistanis and Nigerians have high rates of academic attainment, you can just look at the many Pakistanis on this forum that have studied in America compared to mere pilot like you lol. The thing is you don't live here, I do and I know the ground realities, there are plenty of professionals from Pakistan and people of Pakistani origin. In the dozens of Pakistanis and Arabs I know, most are STEM, business and prehealth majors lol y'all are setiously out of touch. There are also many gulf arab students here, many of them speak better english, dress better and have better social skills than most of the chappal wearing Indians we get here

 

[jagatk]

That isn't true for America, Pakistanis and Nigerians have high rates of academic attainment, you can just look at the many Pakistanis on this forum that have studied in America compared to mere pilot like you lol. The thing is you don't live here, I do and I know the ground realities, there are plenty of professionals from Pakistan and people of Pakistani origin. In the dozens of Pakistanis and Arabs I know, most are STEM, business and prehealth majors lol y'all are setiously out of touch. There are also many gulf arab students here, many of them speak better english, dress better and have better social skills than most of the chappal wearing Indians we get here

Aren't you American? Why would an american immigrate to Canada? Do you have actual statistics to back your claims that an average middle eastern or Pakistani immigrant is equally qualified let alone better than an average Indian immigrant.

 

[BlackShadow]

This was all cringe.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Canadian PM <a href="https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JustinTrudeau</a> makes an entrance at the Canada house in New Delhi. Truly in the spirit of India. <a href="https://twitter.com/DemocracyNewsL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DemocracyNewsL</a> <a href="https://t.co/ph19O7ysB4">pic.twitter.com/ph19O7ysB4</a></p>— Rohit Gandhi (@rohitgandhi_) <a href="https://twitter.com/rohitgandhi_/status/966689622385360896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Varun]

This was all cringe.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Canadian PM <a href="https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JustinTrudeau</a> makes an entrance at the Canada house in New Delhi. Truly in the spirit of India. <a href="https://twitter.com/DemocracyNewsL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DemocracyNewsL</a> <a href="https://t.co/ph19O7ysB4">pic.twitter.com/ph19O7ysB4</a></p>— Rohit Gandhi (@rohitgandhi_) <a href="https://twitter.com/rohitgandhi_/status/966689622385360896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I've pencilled him down as a weirdo. Rahul Gandhi, Justin Trudeau, Bilawal Bhutto - all birds of a feather.

 

[jagatk]

This was all cringe.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Canadian PM <a href="https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JustinTrudeau</a> makes an entrance at the Canada house in New Delhi. Truly in the spirit of India. <a href="https://twitter.com/DemocracyNewsL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DemocracyNewsL</a> <a href="https://t.co/ph19O7ysB4">pic.twitter.com/ph19O7ysB4</a></p>— Rohit Gandhi (@rohitgandhi_) <a href="https://twitter.com/rohitgandhi_/status/966689622385360896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Then they wonder why this trip has been panned so much, 7 days he has spent in India and beyond 1 day of official business it has been sightseeing, playing dress up and cringe worthy amounts of photo-ops to suck up to the indian diaspora in Canada.

 

[BlackShadow]

Then they wonder why this trip has been panned so much, 7 days he has spent in India and beyond 1 day of official business it has been sightseeing, playing dress up and cringe worthy amounts of photo-ops to suck up to the indian diaspora in Canada.

He is the kind of guy who probably packs a Kung-Fu outfit for his time in China.

 

[Napa]

It's not about Canada will do, it's about highlighting your ungratefullness towards Canada, it's making your delusional group of people realize that Canada is a wealthy country global power in its own right.

India is paying for the uranium that Canada sells. Reading these posts would lead one to believe that Canada was donating the uranium.

There is an international market for uranium. There are buyers and sellers. No one is doing anyone else a favor.

 

[Napa]

I won't go as far as it is very safe and the general conservative and patriarchal society is a big minus for me. But it isn't any worse than an average western country, if they are bad then yes we are bad too but then you will find no country really is by that standard.

Actually some aspects of Indian conservatism are good, for example the importance given to relations between family members. And Indian society is both patriarchal and matriarchal, both parents have a lot of power.

 

[jagatk]

Actually some aspects of Indian conservatism are good, for example the importance given to relations between family members. And Indian society is both patriarchal and matriarchal, both parents have a lot of power.

Majority country is patriarchal a small section is matriarchal can't really compare them, good stuff that conservatism brings are few the cons on the other hand we can write million paged books about.

 

[Napa]

Majority country is patriarchal a small section is matriarchal can't really compare them, good stuff that conservatism brings are few the cons on the other hand we can write million paged books about.

In most parts of society women have equal power, though it may not be power in the form that you expect to see.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I'm an Indian living in India. Are you a Pakistani living in Pakistan? Or *shudder* are you British Pakistani?

Maybe you should find a forum which is run by Indians living in India then. You know....instead of a Pakistani one run by *shudder* British Pakistanis.

 

[jagatk]

In most parts of society women have equal power, though it may not be power in the form that you expect to see.

What equal power? Boy comes home at 12 at night, nothing happens. Girl comes home at 12 at night, 60% of the parents will pitch a fit. Rural india, all important decisions are taken by husbands especially in north india. I would say South and may be in likes of Maharashtra men are pretty equal to women though even that does not come close to the equality west provides but everything up north is rubbish mate.

 

[English August]

If Canada isn't important for India then the millions of indians in Canada aside from the sikhs should move back to the first world country that is India and the hundreds of thousands of Indians that want to study in Canada and and desperately seek Canadian visas should also cancel their applications loool Patriotism makes people so delusional, India is a cesspool compared to Canada which is one of the wealthiest nations in the world.

As a Pakistani, I don't expect you to understand this, but in a democratic society like India, individual rights are different from what the State does. Nation-to-nation, Canada has little or no strategic value for India. That's why their PM is visiting India for 8 days and still gets only 1/2 day of official treatment. Rest of the days the ***** is spending making a fool of himself. Now making a fool of oneself is his democratic right, so we're tolerating him, we are in fact even amused by it.

This has nothing to do what the Indians as individuals choose to do. If a set of Indians choose to migrate to Canada so they can make more money than they would in India, they're perfectly welcome to do so as long as Canada grants them the requisite visa.

But, as I said, with people like Zia-ul-Haq, Musharraf, Hafeez Saeed, Dawood Ibrahim, Azhar Masood as your national heroes, I don't expect the Pakistanis to understand this concept.

 

[English August]

He is the kind of guy who probably packs a Kung-Fu outfit for his time in China.

Twitterverse is looking forward to his trip to Japan. Trudeau in a traditional Japanese outfit, anyone?!

 

[Varun]

What's up with his kid? :

 

[Varun]

Don Martin: If this is Trudeau putting Canada 'back' on the world stage, we should get off

First, that testy unproductive China visit last fall.

Then there was the angry group of Pacific Rim partners left stewing as Canada waffled back from a free trade agreement.

And let's not get started on how repeated soothing Justin Trudeau visits have only ramped up President Donald Trump’s trash-talking of Canada for re-negotiating NAFTA in bad faith.

Now add India to the list of countries which have lowered their opinion of Canada as a result of prime ministerial visits.

If this is Trudeau putting Canada back on the world stage, we should get off.

This week’s far-too-long tour of India by a prime minister looking for campaign-friendly photo-ops has become a cross between the Keystone Cops and Mr. Dressup.

Poor advance team scouting, lousy political intelligence-gathering, awkward fashion advice and a major security breach have turned a minor snub at the arrival gate into a sustained epic failure.

For six days Trudeau has wandered the country with a collection of mediocre cabinet ministers in tow who have little reason to be there beyond being Sikh.

Meanwhile his foreign affairs and international trade ministers stayed home.

This is not to begrudge the effort. India is an overlooked economic giant with unlimited potential for Canadian interests.

It's in the mission delivery where things have fallen apart.

In the quest for perfect optics, they missed the big picture problem of an India whose leaders believe, rightly or wrongly, that Canada is too cozy with Khalistani extremists.

And you knew this was truly a voyage of the damned when, just as Punjab was pacified, it fell apart all over again.

A Canadian Sikh extremist, convicted in the attempted murder of an India cabinet minister, was discovered as an honoured reception guest.

By the time CTV News discovered the nonsensical inclusion of a celebrity Indian cuisine chef from Canada, flown at taxpayers’ expense to whip up a dinner in India, well, it was almost comic relief.

Given his now-proven tendency to bring tension to otherwise calm international relationships, Justin Trudeau should just stay home.

For the next while, for the preservation of our good name, the world doesn’t need more Canada.

That's the Last Word….

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/don...n-the-world-stage-we-should-get-off-1.3815230

Was Canada ever 'on the world stage' tbh?

 

[Napa]

What equal power? Boy comes home at 12 at night, nothing happens. Girl comes home at 12 at night, 60% of the parents will pitch a fit. Rural india, all important decisions are taken by husbands especially in north india. I would say South and may be in likes of Maharashtra men are pretty equal to women though even that does not come close to the equality west provides but everything up north is rubbish mate.

As I said, it is equal power but not in the manner you may expect to see it.

Equal power does not mean identical treatment. There are biological differences between men and women, though modern liberals may not be able to see it. In most parts of India family and marriage are still important. If a girl gets pregnant she will likely find it hard to get a husband. If a boy gets a girl pregnant, the consequences for him are often not the same.

 

[Napa]

What's up with his kid?

Lax upbringing, not uncommon with modern liberals.

 

[Varun]

Lax upbringing, not uncommon with modern liberals.

I don't mind tbh, makes for a nice change from the suits and protocol around. At least this is India, imagine the ridiculous rules and regulations one has to go through before meeting the Queen of England.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What's up with his kid? :

She is anti Trudeau. Doesnt care to be right.

 

[jagatk]

As I said, it is equal power but not in the manner you may expect to see it.

Equal power does not mean identical treatment. There are biological differences between men and women, though modern liberals may not be able to see it. In most parts of India family and marriage are still important. If a girl gets pregnant she will likely find it hard to get a husband. If a boy gets a girl pregnant, the consequences for him are often not the same.

Isn't this the biggest problem then? Nature gave women the gift of being able to give birth and we treat it like it's some big punishment. If you make a mistake the punishment should be same for everyone, why is promiscuity OK in a boy but not in a girl?

Your whole thinking is what is the biggest problem in India today.

 

[Pakistanian]

Was Canada ever 'on the world stage' tbh?

If canada was never on the world stage then India never was either, India is still struggling to become the sole power in south Asia yet none of your neighbors couls care except for little Bhutan.

 

[R3verse Swing]

The annual trade between Canada and India is $9 Billion.

Canada trades $9 Billion with USA alone in a DAY!

Canada is roughly 2.8% population of India.

Let this sink in.

It's not about quantity, but quality.

Indians thinking the world would not exist or function without India are dreaming. Remember folks, Modi is the one begging with the West to relax immigration laws for Indians.

 

[Varun]

Sums it up.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Restrict their visa access, you will see Modi taking first flight to Canada.

Supreme court of Canada will eat him up if he does that. Canadian laws are very liberal and isolating a single nation would bring lot of trouble for Govt, like how the previous govt had to face the wrath of publc when Harper brought up anti-immigration laws.

On topic: This is non news here in Canada, an average Canadian dont even care how JT was treated in India.

 

[CanadianG00se]

If canada was never on the world stage then India never was either, India is still struggling to become the sole power in south Asia yet none of your neighbors couls care except for little Bhutan.

Actually India was on world stage in past which is why British came running. As of now, ofc India have lot of issues maybe 20-25 years of stable economic growth would bring in lot of revenues and decrease poverty.
To your claim that India is not a power in South Asia, well you’re either deluded or unaware of South Asian economies. Beside India, which other country is actually economic hub in South Asia?

 

[sjahmed23]

The Canadian prime minister is an example of why liberals simply don't understand how the world works. You do not go to a third world country on vacation and call it 'official visit', now you have billions of Indians thinking they are better than you. Oh god this is hilarious, talk about the level of arrogance.

 

[Pakistanian]

Actually India was on world stage in past which is why British came running. As of now, ofc India have lot of issues maybe 20-25 years of stable economic growth would bring in lot of revenues and decrease poverty.
To your claim that India is not a power in South Asia, well you’re either deluded or unaware of South Asian economies. Beside India, which other country is actually economic hub in South Asia?

That wasn't the Republic of India lmao, the British came because of the Mughal empires success

 

[Napa]

That wasn't the Republic of India lmao, the British came because of the Mughal empires success

[MENTION=143738]CanadianG00se[/MENTION] did not say "Republic of India", he simply said "India", which also includes "Mughal India".

Your knowledge of history is quite pathetic. When the British attained power in India the Mughals were long gone. The Mughal empire pretty much fell apart after the death of Auranzeb in 1707. The Battle of Plassey, the first assertion of British sovereignty was 40 years later in 1757. In those intermediate years it was the Maratha empire which was the largest empire in India.

 

[Napa]

Isn't this the biggest problem then? Nature gave women the gift of being able to give birth and we treat it like it's some big punishment. If you make a mistake the punishment should be same for everyone, why is promiscuity OK in a boy but not in a girl?

Your whole thinking is what is the biggest problem in India today.

The ability to give birth is a punishment? When did I say that? I assume you believe the ability not to stay outside the home, partying till midnight is a big punishment. I have been there, done that... and there are both pros and cons to it.

Children are cherished, hence the ability to give birth is cherished. In a large percentage of the population the woman give birth and look after the home, whereas the men go out and earn money to support their families. It works for them and they would laugh at you if you told them you knew better.

I don't think you have any clue what the real problems of India are other than whatever the liberal media brainwashes you into believing. Trends pointing to a weakening rather than strengthening of democracy is India's biggest problem. With loss of democracy economic inequality will rise.

 

[moghul]

Trudeau and his ministers attend rallies and celebrations in Canada where terrorists are glorified and the breakup of India is called for.

It would be like a foreign politician attending rallies which glorify the Baluchistan liberation army and then expecting a warm welcome when they visit Pakistan.

That said, the Indians should have shown him a bit more respect. Simply because he’s the representative of the Canadian state which is an important business partner for a india.

If this was all know, why the trip was organized on the first place ?

 

[moghul]

Support Kashmir issue and come to Pakistan and you will get a great treatment Mr. Trudeau

 

[cricketjoshila]

The Canadian prime minister is an example of why liberals simply don't understand how the world works. You do not go to a third world country on vacation and call it 'official visit', now you have billions of Indians thinking they are better than you. Oh god this is hilarious, talk about the level of arrogance.

Then you hurt our western neighbours.

 

[English August]

The annual trade between Canada and India is $9 Billion.

Canada trades $9 Billion with USA alone in a DAY!

Canada is roughly 2.8% population of India.

Let this sink in.

It's not about quantity, but quality.

Indians thinking the world would not exist or function without India are dreaming. Remember folks, Modi is the one begging with the West to relax immigration laws for Indians.

Canada US trade isn't $9B per day, it's actually <$2B per day. Check out: https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/canada

Apart from this obvious lie (it took me <3 seconds to verify), are you too dumb to realize that you're actually supporting the point some of us are making? The very fact that India's trade with Canada is only $9B per year proves that Canada isn't strategically important to India. Well, duh!

Question for you is: why did this idiot decide to spend 8 days in India (and 4 weeks before that wardrobe shopping in Missisuaga)?

Not the sharpest tools in the shade. Both JT and you.

 

[big_gamer007]

What's up with his kid? :

For gifs sake he’s a kid stop judging him.. Have you got a kid? Hasn’t he/she done weird stuff? That’s how kids are what has society come to when grown ups educated people like you are pointing at kids being kids..

 

[Pakistanian]

Smh people on this thread mocking a kid who possibly has ADHD or autism, nationalism really turned yall into monsters. #IncredibleIndia :applause:

 

[iHammad]

Supreme court of Canada will eat him up if he does that. Canadian laws are very liberal and isolating a single nation would bring lot of trouble for Govt, like how the previous govt had to face the wrath of publc when Harper brought up anti-immigration laws.

On topic: This is non news here in Canada, an average Canadian dont even care how JT was treated in India.

Exactly.

I asked my co worker yesterday, he didn't know or care about the trip. He was more interested in Canada's position in the Winter olympics.

 

[sjahmed23]

Then you hurt our western neighbours.

How so? Never made bold claims about Pakistan, it's been stuck in a war for 15 years but finally things are improving and gradually it will stabilize and catch up to India.

 

[jagatk]

The ability to give birth is a punishment? When did I say that? I assume you believe the ability not to stay outside the home, partying till midnight is a big punishment. I have been there, done that... and there are both pros and cons to it.

Children are cherished, hence the ability to give birth is cherished. In a large percentage of the population the woman give birth and look after the home, whereas the men go out and earn money to support their families. It works for them and they would laugh at you if you told them you knew better.

I don't think you have any clue what the real problems of India are other than whatever the liberal media brainwashes you into believing. Trends pointing to a weakening rather than strengthening of democracy is India's biggest problem. With loss of democracy economic inequality will rise.

These are your words not mine

If a girl gets pregnant she will likely find it hard to get a husband. If a boy gets a girl pregnant, the consequences for him are often not the same

That looks like blaming one person for a mistake but not the other to me.

Woman who want to stay home and take care of the kids was not point, woman who want to work but can't due to family pressure is what I was getting at. This is much less prevalent in Metros but go to small cities and you will see what I am talking about.

I live in india I don't need to watch arnab or any other paid shills like Sardesai to tell me stuff but it seems you are getting your daily dosage of India is great from Zee news.

Children are a gift you say, yet why is our Boy-Girl ratio so suspiciously skewed in Northern states, is god extra caring of haryana and such states that boys seem to be born there much more than the girls.

The **** with Gau rakshaks, don't eat beef, general prevalence of soft religious extremism since BJP came to power are bigger issues no doubt but that wasn't the discussion, it started as whether girls are safe in india and how we treat them, but how this happened in a Justin Trudeau thread even I don't know.

 

[jagatk]

How so? Never made bold claims about Pakistan, it's been stuck in a war for 15 years but finally things are improving and gradually it will stabilize and catch up to India.

Frankly don't think it will much for your average guy, you basically made a deal with the devil to go one up on India. China is many things but it ain't anybody's friend. Look at every so called infra development project it has done around the world, be it Africa or Sri Lanka, they always leave the country worse off than before.

 

[English August]

How so? Never made bold claims about Pakistan, it's been stuck in a war for 15 years but finally things are improving and gradually it will stabilize and catch up to India.

Ain't happening.

If my memory serves me right, India's and Pak's per capita GDP were roughly the same till early 90s. Pak was in fact ahead of India before that. Since then the gap has steadily widened. Just 2 years ago, India's per capita GDP was 25% more than Pak's, now it's 30% more!

For Pak to catch-up with India, not only does this trend need to slow down, it needs to reverse and stay that way for several years non stop. Pak will have to grow faster than India by 3-4% each year. I still haven't factored Pak population growing faster than India. If I do, the mathematical possibility becomes even harder to get.

So, in brief, it ain't happening.

In fact I'll tell you what will happen:
- BD will overtake Pak within the next 10-15 years. It's already on the way.
- Pak will continue to attract expensive Chinese investments for building infrastructure (funded through debt, not equity)
- Within 10-15 years, it will fall into the Chinese debt trap and will start handing over key national assets to China (ports, airports, power plants, highways, etc.) like Sri Lanka has started doing. After some time, perhaps even the nuclear assets. If you live in Pakistan, start learning Mandarin!
- Pak will continue to live in denial and will refuse to stop sponsoring global terrorism. This will make its economic recovery and acceleration even harder to achieve

But hey, no harm in dreaming!

 

[Napa]

How so? Never made bold claims about Pakistan, it's been stuck in a war for 15 years but finally things are improving and gradually it will stabilize and catch up to India.

If you want economic development, you need to get the army out of the economy. No economy in history has developed with the military running it. Also having religious leaders with outsize influence in society is another fatal mistake.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Exactly.

I asked my co worker yesterday, he didn't know or care about the trip. He was more interested in Canada's position in the Winter olympics.

I made the same point pretty early on in this thread which has now got over 400 replies. Canadians don't really care about India, they probably think it looks something like the Jungle Book.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Canadians don't care about India, this much is confirmed. Annual trade of 9 Billion is nothing considering Canada makes this in hours with USA. Plus with medical Marujuana to be made legal in June, 9 Billion will look like chump change.

India needs Canada more, even if only for Uranium.

Though I would say Sikhs have probably more interest in JTs trip. At least they respect him, even though he made an effort to assimilate, unlike Indians who are mocking JT for what he was wearing, and then cry for respect.

 

[Napa]

Canada trades $9 Billion with USA alone in a DAY!

Apart from this obvious lie (it took me <3 seconds to verify), are you too dumb to realize that you're actually supporting the point some of us are making?

Actually I didn't even need a cite to know that this $9B a day figure is delusional. This translates to about $3.3T a year. Given that the US GDP is about $19T, US trade with Canada simply can't be $3.3T.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Actually I didn't even need a cite to know that this $9B a day figure is delusional. This translates to about $3.3T a year. Given that the US GDP is about $19T, US trade with Canada simply can't be $3.3T.

You are dealing with a liar who is baiting Indians. Why feed him?