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Looks impressive Talat. Now looking forward to see Khushdil play in the final, Hopefully we get to see him.
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Looks impressive Talat. Now looking forward to see Khushdil play in the final, Hopefully we get to see him.
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Looks impressive Talat. Now looking forward to see Khushdil play in the final, Hopefully we get to see him.
Yes, will retain his place for the final.
Only the first series after his comeback.
Already batted better than the entire friggin team and showing them it's freaking LOIs, not a test match.
Maybe the neutrals will now back him as we have nobody else who can bat fast for us. Haters need a reality check.
Literally no one out there who can score and score fast. Only Kami, Babar Azam and Hussain Talat.
Already batted better than the entire friggin team and showing them it's freaking LOIs, not a test match.
Maybe the neutrals will now back him as we have nobody else who can bat fast for us. Haters need a reality check.
Literally no one out there who can score and score fast. Only Kami, Babar Azam and Hussain Talat.
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Well played today. Let's see how he does in the odis.
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Similar to PSL, a 100, 80 in 2 games. Failed in the rest.
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Failed at international--> scores at domestic--> fails at international
Failed at international--> scores at domestic--> fails at international
Failed at international--> scores at domestic--> fails at international
Failed at international--> scores at domestic--> fails at international
Failed at international--> scores at domestic--> fails at international
Come on now, I don't expect you to be bitter like that.
First match was decent. Did better than most.
Keep in mind his competition is other Pakistani batsmen and he is far above the rest right now, barring Babar.
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Every top order batsman in the team averages more than him in all three formats.
Lol, hurt much? Wake up and don't be bitter. It's not history channel. Kami is our best bat since the PSL
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Stating some facts, you said he's better than every batsman in our team but stats disagree. And you guys love your stats since you keep quoting me PSL ones.
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He's scored 70 runs in three innings. As expected he continues to be mediocre, yet his supporters will not relent with the excuses. This time it is that it's a low scoring series or that he is scoring slightly more than other batsman....
How long before we realise...he is CRAP... he will continue to play the odd innings and average around 20.
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This is Kamran his entire career. He will fail again and be back in 2 years.
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Yes but, aparently, his previous performances do not count whatsoever to his fans. Aparently this time, we need to forget the past again as, since he scored in the PSL, he will finally become an international level batsman at 36....
Dude how can you be so ungrateful.
Do you have any friggin idea of who his competition is in LOIs? Shehzad, Malik, Sarfraz etc.
He has outperformed all of them.
In a 3 match series If a batsman can win me a match on his own and contribute to win in the 2nd match, ill take him any day.
Calm down. We need fast scorers and Kami is here to stay
lolz..his fitness let him down inside 13 overs..dont know what is his role in odi....he wll need wheel chair..
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Lets bring back Afridi, he averages similar to Kamran and can score faster than him.
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Also all the quoted batsman, average higher than him.
I keep mentioning numbers because his fans love quoting me his PSL stats.
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Well. He has done his job for the year
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Sad but true.
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It isnt about being ungrateful. It's about moving forward as a cricket team. Malik Sarfaraz have performed very well for us recently and have been world class at various times in their career, with a decent overall record. Malik has done well in the first two matches and was easily our best batsman. Shehzad is making a comeback, and in a far shorter career has had many good performances, however his attitude stinks and he should not be back in the team based on PSL performances because domestic performance should not be the only criteria. As we have seen by his failure in this series, some people are not cut out for international cricket and should not be given repeated chances until they show some improvement in their game. Which Kamran and Shehzad haven't.
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So, what were you on about?
So, what were you on about?
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-Kamran averages worse than all our current batsmen (you love statistics so I thought I'd point it out)
-Playing fast solves nothing, otherwise might as well bring failures like Afridi back
- His PSL scores were: 0 19 14 58 26 1 104 0 16, how on earth is this impressive? If you're going to use stats and say 'but he was top' then please talk about international stats
I would agree with you if he was a debutante. But he is a failure internationally, where it matters. At worst I'd have him as a stop-back for 1-2 series. At worst.
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Let me say this, everyone can improve and Kami is no exception either.
He has topped the charts consistently domestically and he did this year in the PSL as well.
I'm certain, he will do well in the ODI's is well.
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If he didn't improve when he was young after being given countless chances then he's not going to improve at 35.
I'd rather try Awais Zia or Mukhtar Ahmed (who btw averages better than Akmal, since you love stats). At worst they will fail, like Kamran has all his career, at best they might succeed.
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What improvement have you seen in his game?
Did you see his dismissal in the previous match? Atrocious shot without any foot movement.
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Explosive my foot
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What do you mean he didn't improve?
Why is topping the charts, if he didn't?
If mukhtar and awais are better than where are the in the runs charts?
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What are his international stats?
He has failed at every national comeback. In a normal person's vocab that means no improvement.
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I'm not living in the past, I'm living in the now and Kami just topped the domestic charts and the PSL one.
You can go watch the history channel, to see his past performances.
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If I hit a target 3 out of ten times, is my target aiming an improvement?
Yes or no would suffice.
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If you're no. 1 at the end, then 100% yeah.
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I asked you a question, what are his international stats?
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So next season if Kamran's aim drops to 2/10 from 3/10 and he still tops the chart, would you call his performance an improvement?
I don't think you need to argue with the likes of [MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] - they have nothing but blind hatred.
Who's our best batsman this series? Kamran Akmal.
That settles everything.
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So basically admitting he's a failure. All I needed to hear.
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If it gets you no. 1, then 100% yeah again.
Doesn't matter whatever fraction or percentage you use because the bottom line is he finished top and don't give a crap about anything else.
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The same guy making threads on other TTFs, yet all the others still average higher than Kamran.
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Big difference between "failed" and "failure".
You're implying he will fail, which is complete horse-crap, as he proved you wrong in the PSL.
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only Kamran Akmal and Baber Azam merit their spots in this current T20 team. rest are playing purely on reputation.
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He's proved me correct every single time in the international stage. Where it matters. Not our domestic circuit where failures like Shehzad trash recycled trundlers over and over again.
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Today Kamran AKmal played a great knock. Batsmen following him should have taken the game away from WI but they looked like playing on a completely different pitch or it is just lack of power hitting skills. This just happens when you are playing too many anchors in the team.
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So even though his performance level drops from 3 to 2 that's an improvement. Wow.
When you go from no. 1 to no. 1, how is that a downgrade?
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Kamran Akmal - 70 runs, 23 average, 119 strike rate
Shoaib Malik - 68 runs, 34 average, 120 strike rate
Babar Azam - 99, 33 average, 104 strike rate
Yes Kami has indeed been our best batsman
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I asked if you performing well 2 times DOWN from 3 times is a self-improvement. Forget others. You said yes it is.
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True.
Too bad for him, he was the highest run scorer in the PSL and he must've felt hurt by it.
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I asked if you performing well 2 times DOWN from 3 times is a self-improvement. Forget others. You said yes it is.
No, this isn't a mathematical question, but rather about Kami and his scoring.
You finish no. 1 with 2/10 or 3/10, it is still the same.
If you want to ask mathematical questions, then go to the TP forum.
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Yes, I am hurt by a failure returning to our team. Damn right.
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It is not the same. Forget the rest, if a batsman is not working on his technique or improving his own performances he will fail. Hence you see repeated mistakes again and again.
You bumbling on highest run scorer doesn't change the fact he failed in 7 innings out of 10.
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A "failure", that happened to end up as no. 1 in the premier tournament.
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And failed 5 times internationally. Thus proving his skills are only limited to domestic arena.
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Like I said previously, don't give a crap.
No. 1 is no. 1 and that is all that matters.
Go bring someone who tops him, then comeback.
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I know you don't. A guy who prefers performances in domestic to International doesn't need to tell me that.
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Nah, I just understand the art of improvement and giving the top guys a run.
If you're not going to pick the top guy from the PSL, then you might as well end the PSL.
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The other thing with Kamran Akmal is he'd have to score big enough every game to cancel out all the runs he costs the team in the field
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Or give the second guy or third guy who top scored in the PSL a run in the team instead of PROVEN INTERNATIONAL FAILURES.
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Or let's pick the number 2 or 3 guys who might do better than average of 26 at international level instead of the 3inningsoutof10 'number 1' batsman. I mean 'Kami' hasn't set the bar high.
Don't talk about logic when you don't know the definition of it.
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Not true. He played well in the first game as well and gave Pakistan a flying start. His contribution was vital as it was a low scoring game and the fact three anchor were to follow him.
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If they were so great, then why couldn't they get ahead of the "failure"?
They'd be top and not settling for 2nd or 3rd.
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They might have made 40 runs in 8 innings, superb consistency. But Kamran's 3 flukey out of 10 innings might have upseated them on the scoring charts. All they have to do is better Kamran's 26 average, if second-rate batsmen like Shehzad can do it anyone can. And since you're bigging up Pakistan's domestic circuit so much so surely number 2/3 can't be that bad that they can't out-do a measly, pathetic 26 run average at international scene.
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Why is failure in quoted commas? Or has Kami set the national side alight that noone knows about?
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Kamran Akmal - 70 runs, 23 average, 119 strike rate
Shoaib Malik - 68 runs, 34 average, 120 strike rate
Babar Azam - 99, 33 average, 104 strike rate
Yes Kami has indeed been our best batsman
This just shows how much you overrate stats. I'm sure you consider Misbah to be a very good ODI batsman as he average 44 or something. Stats always do not tell the whole story.
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Could have, should have doesn't matter much.
Going around in circles, don't give a crap about whether it 2/10 or 3/10, for as long as he finished no.1.
The selectors also agree with his selection and picked him for being no. 1.
You can start your own national team and have him dropped for being no. 1.
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For you number 1 matters in our broken domestic system.
For the normal people the real litmus test is international stage where your boy has shown his true credentials. Number 1 number 1 is useless in his case. All it shows is he's a master at domestic and failure at international level. Nothing more nothing less.
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For Kamran fans only stats that matter are domestic. International stats bhaar mey jain
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He just started performing in domestics recently, so how can he be the master?
Domestic cricket is fine for batsmen and reliable.
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He is performing well. So should be retained in the team.
Those who don't like him. Remember that he will only be there for 2 more years max. Hopefully.
Those who don't like him. Remember that he will only be there for 2 more years max. Hopefully.
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The fact that failed international batsmen are top scoring in our domestic circuit should give you an indication how reliable it is.
At this I am convinced you're on a wind-up.
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Younis, Hafeez and Misbah say hello.
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The fact that failed international batsmen are top scoring in our domestic circuit should give you an indication how reliable it is.
At this I am convinced you're on a wind-up.
When did he top charts, before his debut?
What are you talking about?
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He has performed well in domestic before. So has Shehzad. So has Umar. So has Rizwan. Yet all have failed at the national side where it matters most. Kamran fails regardless of him topping charts. England got rid of Ramprakash even tho he's a legendary domestic batsman because they realised he cannot succeed internationally. A decade and 200 LOI games later, an average inferior than discards like Shehzad etc and this simple point is still failing to hammer into your head.
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What?
The season before his debut, he was 20th on the list of run scorers.
How does that make him the top run scorer?
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I am not talking about his debut, I am talking about his entire career. Whenever he has been kicked out he performs well in domestics only to return to the team and fail again.
Before there was an excuse for him to be in the team as he was infinitely better (I use the word better liberally, his keeping skills are there to see) than Adnan Akmal and Haider so even his garbage domestic form was ignored but now there is no reason for him to be in team.
You've got a fetish for 'top number 1' scorers. Number 2, 3, 4, 5 are selected as well.
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