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Kamran Akmal - The explosive opener we need

Pakpak said:
I am not talking about his debut, I am talking about his entire career. Whenever he has been kicked out he performs well in domestics only to return to the team and fail again.

Before there was an excuse for him to be in the team as he was infinitely better (I use the word better liberally, his keeping skills are there to see) than Adnan Akmal and Haider so even his garbage domestic form was ignored but now there is no reason for him to be in team.

You've got a fetish for 'top number 1' scorers. Number 2, 3, 4, 5 are selected as well.
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What season are you talking about?

Which one did he dominate?

He didn't even make top 15 for most part (until recently).

Let me guess, you're just spouting nonsense?
 
Barragan said:
What season are you talking about?

Which one did he dominate?

He didn't even make top 15 for most part (until recently).

Let me guess, you're just spouting nonsense?
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No, that'd be you.

Let me spell it out for you in simple English, so you can understand:

a) We had no keepers
b) Adnan Akmal and Haider were a disaster
c) Kamran, even with his questionable skills, was preferred as he could bat and keep
d) Since he was mainly selected as a keeper he didn't really need to be topping any charts

Now, since he is being selected as a specialist batsmen his selection is pointless. Because he has demonstrated his batting skill nationally.
 
Pakpak said:
No, that'd be you.

Let me spell it out for you in simple English, so you can understand:

a) We had no keepers
b) Adnan Akmal and Haider were a disaster
c) Kamran, even with his questionable skills, was preferred as he could bat and keep
d) Since he was mainly selected as a keeper he didn't really need to be topping any charts

Now, since he is being selected as a specialist batsmen his selection is pointless. Because he has demonstrated his batting skill nationally.
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Present the season, where he dominated (not recent ones).

Where is it?
 
Barragan said:
You did say "performs well in domestics".

He doesn't need to be the no. 1 guy, but at least in the top 10.

So, where is it?
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His average is 37 in First Class. That is well enough for a wicket keeper. A simple Cricinfo search would tell you that. :facepalm:
 
Pakpak said:
His average is 37 in First Class. That is well enough for a wicket keeper. A simple Cricinfo search would tell you that. :facepalm:
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Which is actually overall and that includes his recent exploits.

He has been averaging 50 for the past 3 or 4 seasons.

But you were saying, he did the same in the past?

Where are those performances?
 
Barragan said:
Which is actually overall and that includes his recent exploits.

He has been averaging 50 for the past 3 or 4 seasons.

But you were saying, he did the same in the past?

Where are those performances?
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I said ''he has performed well in Domestics''. Which includes ALL his domestic cricket in the past. 3-4 years counts as that. :facepalm:
 
Pakpak said:
I said ''he has performed well in Domestics''. Which includes ALL his domestic cricket in the past. 3-4 years counts as that. :facepalm:
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But he made his return based on those performances.

You said, he made the team previously because of being a top performer.

What about his debut?

What about in 2003, 04, 05, 06 or 07?
 
Barragan said:
But he made his return based on those performances.

You said, he made the team previously because of being a top performer.

What about his debut?

What about in 2003, 04, 05, 06 or 07?
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I never mentioned specific years. I looked at his average over 221 games which was 37. Which is more than decent and made a common sense guess that for him to maintain that average over a decade he'd had to be performing decently everytime to worm his way into the team.

As for his debut. Wow, you're dense. Let me repeat:

Let me spell it out for you in simple English, so you can understand: a) We had no keepers b) Adnan Akmal and Haider were a disaster c) Kamran, even with his questionable skills, was preferred as he could bat and keep d) Since he was mainly selected as a keeper he didn't really need to be topping any charts. All he needed to do be was better than his wicket keeping competition Adnan and Zulq. Which he was easily by an average of 10 runs

At this moment I am seriously wondering if you're deliberately trolling.
 
Pakpak said:
I never mentioned specific years. I looked at his average over 221 games which was 37. Which is more than decent and made a common sense guess that for him to maintain that average over a decade he'd had to be performing decently everytime to worm his way into the team.

As for his debut. Wow, you're dense. Let me repeat:

Let me spell it out for you in simple English, so you can understand: a) We had no keepers b) Adnan Akmal and Haider were a disaster c) Kamran, even with his questionable skills, was preferred as he could bat and keep d) Since he was mainly selected as a keeper he didn't really need to be topping any charts. All he needed to do be was better than his wicket keeping competition Adnan and Zulq. Which he was easily by an average of 10 runs

At this moment I am seriously wondering if you're deliberately trolling.
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At least you admit, he never was a top performer.

This is the only reason why he made it and stayed in intl cricket for so long.

This time, he has comeback as a top domestic batsman and deserves to be here.

Hopefully, you won't go around lying and saying "he performed well before is well".
 
Barragan said:
At least you admit, he never was a top performer.

This is the only reason why he made it and stayed in intl cricket for so long.

This time, he has comeback as a top domestic batsman and deserves to be here.

Hopefully, you won't go around lying and saying "he performed well before is well".
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I never really said he was a top performer before either. :facepalm: I said he performed well and I later (thrice) clarified 'well' meant compared to his two rivals for his spot in the team. Which his 37 average shows he must have. How is that saying he is a top performer? Don't put words in my mouth and post drivel.
 
Decent knock from Kamran. I see trouble for him opening in ODIs though. Alzarri and Gabriel, two new balls, with stagnant feet, he's gonna have a tough time taking them on. He takes some time to get going anyway. They'll be better off moving him down to 4.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Decent knock from Kamran. I see trouble for him opening in ODIs though. Alzarri and Gabriel, two new balls, with stagnant feet, he's gonna have a tough time taking them on. He takes some time to get going anyway. They'll be better off moving him down to 4.
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I don't think he will play ODIs?
 
Pakpak said:
I never really said he was a top performer before either. :facepalm: I said he performed well and I later (thrice) clarified 'well' meant compared to his two rivals for his spot in the team. Which his 37 average shows he must have. How is that saying he is a top performer? Don't put words in my mouth and post drivel.
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Nah, his average was most likely in the low 30's, until his recent 50+ seasons.

Anyway, at least you admit he never was a top performer and only made it because he was ahead of the other keepers.

Last response because it is pretty much done and dusted.
 
Barragan said:
Nah, his average was most likely in the low 30's, until his recent 50+ seasons.

Anyway, at least you admit he never was a top performer and only made it because he was ahead of the other keepers.

Last response because it is pretty much done and dusted.
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I have said your second line a page ago. You've deliberately wasted my time as I never called him a top performer. Nor can you find such words in this thread. You have been using them. Not me. He must have made it on corruption then, is that what you're saying? Weren't you the one crowing praises about selectors selecting people based on performances?

What a derailment of the topic.

Coming back to the topic:

You expect him to perform better than average 26, 200 LOI games. Who knows, maybe under Arthur he will grow a brain and do his talent justice. Good on you for optimism. I am afraid my hopes with Akmal brothers have sailed.
 
[MENTION=136113]Barragan[/MENTION] no hard feelings, longest debate I have had on PP. :))
 
The only batsman today to play with a good strike rate at the top.

His partner youngster Ahmed Shehzad embarrassing the slot of an opener!!
 
We definitely need Kamran in the absence of Sharjeel.

Shehzad is not going to open with an SR 70 and only up it after a 50 which he wont reach most of the times.
 
As usual everyone, barring his cheerleaders, predicted this. :91: [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

Failure in the past, failure in the present. And at 35, past it age to boot.
 
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Pakpak said:
As usual everyone, barring his cheerleaders, predicted this. :91:

Failure in the past, failure in the present. And at 35, past it age to boot.
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NANA NA NAAAA
NANA NA NAAAA
WAAAYYYY HEYYYY HEYYYYYY
GGOOOODDDBYEEEEE

Please leave Kamran and never talk again.
 
Pakpak said:
As usual everyone, barring his cheerleaders, predicted this. :91:

Failure in the past, failure in the present. And at 35, past it age to boot.
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156 games under his belt and he has a average of 26. How on earth does one justify selecting this garbage player. Not to mention his fielding either.
 
JimmyGetsBuckets said:
156 games under his belt and he has a average of 26. How on earth does one justify selecting this garbage player. Not to mention his fielding either.
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Please look at this thread and see Barragan and Hawkeye and you'll not believe that he still has fans :))
 
Should be dropped, utter waste of space, but he needs to be replaced with a hack even if it's Zia

Bringing back a guy like Azhar or butt will only cause more pain
 
Hawkeye said:
Insanity is doing the exact same thing again and again expecting a different result.
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From another thread. Except Kami eh?Unbelievable how someone can be so wrong, and so incredibly hypocritical, about something so obvious :91:
 
He should be dropped but he won't be. For sure. We should stop hoping. Seniors are here to stay.
 
Should not play ODI's. I like Kamran but he is not fit enough to play 50 overs and he can't field to save his life. He should play t20s still
 
Beautiful batting. Who would have thought a 35 year old TTF would fail such spectacularly.
 
I have mostly seen him fail in meaningful ODIs which have an ounce of pressure associated with them.
 
Hilarious to see literally 2 months ago Hawkeye and Barragan spent pages arguing with me in this very thread about how this ''explosive'' opener is needed because we have noone else. :))

Kamran, failed as anyone with a normal IQ would predict, and its the end for him I hope.
 
Kamran Akmal should be drafted into the Pakistan T20I side ASAP!

As the title says Kamran Akmal needs to be brought in as an opener in the team ASAP.. Today’s inning shows he still is one of the best power hitting hacks in Pakistan and you guys need him to open with fakhar in T20’s.

I believe he scored back to back centuries in last two matches as well? I might be wrong here it’s jjust something I read on PP so might have been some other player..

Someone in such a purple form deserves to get a chance, in past he might have not played well in internationals but now he is in red hot form and deserves a comeback while his purple patch is going on.. No point bringing him back 1 year from now when he lost his purple patch and is struggling.. End of the day he is still a way better option than Shehzad..

Fakhar and Kami is a devastating opening partnership when in full form..

What are the opinions of other PPers?

Leave aside your personal hatred for Kami due to his antics and shady past and wicket keeping howlers.
 
What will a purple patch add? MAybe 1 or 2 good innings and then its back to liability Kamran?

Pointless to play him, no long term upside.
 
Amir said:
What will a purple patch add? MAybe 1 or 2 good innings and then its back to liability Kamran?

Pointless to play him, no long term upside.
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What if the purple patch lasts till next 2-3 years? He is by far your best performing opener in PSL so deserves a chance on merit instead of Azhar Ali, Shehzad etc type players.
 
Fine in T20's as an opener. Can win you a game with a 5 over cameo. He can't lose you a game. T20 allows for such players especially as Pk have depth in batting in T20s with decent lower order biffers.
 
big_gamer007 said:
As the title says Kamran Akmal needs to be brought in as an opener in the team ASAP.. Today’s inning shows he still is one of the best power hitting hacks in Pakistan and you guys need him to open with fakhar in T20’s.

I believe he scored back to back centuries in last two matches as well? I might be wrong here it’s jjust something I read on PP so might have been some other player..

Someone in such a purple form deserves to get a chance, in past he might have not played well in internationals but now he is in red hot form and deserves a comeback while his purple patch is going on.. No point bringing him back 1 year from now when he lost his purple patch and is struggling.. End of the day he is still a way better option than Shehzad..

Fakhar and Kami is a devastating opening partnership when in full form..

What are the opinions of other PPers?

Leave aside your personal hatred for Kami due to his antics and shady past and wicket keeping howlers.
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"Just give me three chances as an opener and if I fail to deliver, then I will have no complaints even if I’ll be dropped permanently.” - Kamran Akmal, Jan 2014

since then 3 odis at an average of 21

8 t20s at an aveage of 17, strike rate of a 100

In amongst this he has been a beast domestically, so nothing has changed


Further consider that the next t20 WC is in 2020, you think he will last till then? why not try someone new?

Not like our t20 team is doing badly
 
[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] , nice bump mate, I had completely forgotten about this thread. :najam
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
"Just give me three chances as an opener and if I fail to deliver, then I will have no complaints even if I’ll be dropped permanently.” - Kamran Akmal, Jan 2014

since then 3 odis at an average of 21

8 t20s at an aveage of 17, strike rate of a 100

In amongst this he has been a beast domestically, so nothing has changed


Further consider that the next t20 WC is in 2020, you think he will last till then? why not try someone new?

Not like our t20 team is doing badly
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But aren’t you trying Ahmed Shehzad? Or are you guys trying some new fresh blood?


I Think he can last till 2020 if he works a bit on fitness, if he is give a talk to by management asking him to work on fitness and form and tell him he features in their plans for 2020 WC.. He can play freely and work on fitness to last that long..

His quote from 2014 you mentioned shows how desperate he was to get in and how much pressure he must have had on him to deliver once selected.. You can’t play freely if you have fear of being dropped always, Pakistani players seem to have that always.. Give him confidence and let him play freely if he still don’t perform then drop him.
 
big_gamer007 said:
No idea but he deserves a consistent run without fear of being dropped and allowed to play his natural game.
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He was after his good show in the PSL last year..but you can imagine why he didn't remain part of the team.
 
big_gamer007 said:
But aren’t you trying Ahmed Shehzad? Or are you guys trying some new fresh blood?
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We can and we should.

I doubt shezhad is getting into the team any time soon


also he isnt fit now so how will be fit for 2020 when he will be close to 40?

Not to mention he is a shocking ground fielder even Irfan is far better
 
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The one thing ill say for Kamran is that id take him if it meant dropping professor for good. He isn't as selfish and he would be far easier to drop once he inevitably fails
 
No please No

He is a shoddy keeper and does not fire in International Cricket and cannot field.
 
omg the think i hate about PSL is these TTFs get a platform for comeback and duds like Basit Ali start forcing PCB to bring them back...he is a rubbish fielder too
 
Well played today . But we need to move on from him. He scores in domestic but can't seem to repeat such form at international level.
 
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