Karachi Zebras v Sialkot Stallions | Group B | Faysal Bank T20 | Lahore | 10/10/10

[WithLoveFromCanada]

the thread title should be karachi lizards vs sialkots underperformers...

really there're no zebras and stallions in either cities...

 

[chui_kadoo]

Not one compliment by Amir Sohail on Imran Nazir. Just a joke. He really hates him

 

[*sallu*]

Can u tell me what Hafeez has done in his T20 international career??
Nazir is a better fielder. Hafeez is average

I was not comparing him to Hafeez in that post

You said Nazir had a great world t20, which he clearly didn't. I was simply correcting your mistake

 

[*sallu*]

Nazir is a better fielder. Hafeez is average

Umm, did you see Hafeez field in the recent ODI series.

He was our 2nd best fielder after Fawad Alam

Took some great outfield catches and saved so many singles at short cover and short mid wickets off the spinners

Don't call him an average fielder, both Nazir and Hafeez are very good fielders, IMO Hafeez is slightly better than Nazir.

 

[Shaka81]

Seems like there are still Imran Nazir haters here who still think he should not be in the T20 squad. Simply mind boggling

Definitely not a Nazir hater but very cautious about declaring he should be in the T20 squad based only on today's innings. The bowling he faced today was really, really poor standard. Kaneria isn't an international T20 standard bowler and none of the others are even close to being in the Pakistan T20 team. If Nazir maintains this form throughout the tournament and more importantly continues to show some maturity in his batting, then he should be representing Pakistan not only in T20s but ODIs too.
It's just unfortunate that every time I see Nazir against international quality bowling he just seems to lose composure and try to slog his way out of trouble.

 

[chui_kadoo]

I was not comparing him to Hafeez in that post

You said Nazir had a great world t20, which he clearly didn't. I was simply correcting your mistake

He still the best opening option in T20 for pak by a distance. Has a much better technique than Shazeib whos done jack in International level. Hafeez and Fawad alam should stick to ODI's and tests. Hes only 28 and fit as a fiddle. From todays innings he seemed to learnt his lesson and started to play smart cricket

 

[chui_kadoo]

Umm, did you see Hafeez field in the recent ODI series.

He was our 2nd best fielder after Fawad Alam

Took some great outfield catches and saved so many singles at short cover and short mid wickets off the spinners

Don't call him an average fielder, both Nazir and Hafeez are very good fielders, IMO Hafeez is slightly better than Nazir.

dude im talking about T20 not ODI's. He was awful with the ball in T20's

 

[Shaka81]

umm, did you see hafeez field in the recent odi series.

He was our 2nd best fielder after fawad alam

took some great outfield catches and saved so many singles at short cover and short mid wickets off the spinners

don't call him an average fielder, both nazir and hafeez are very good fielders, imo hafeez is slightly better than nazir.

+1

 

[*sallu*]

He still the best opening option in T20 for pak by a distance. Has a much better technique than Shazeib whos done jack in International level. Hafeez and Fawad alam should stick to ODI's and tests. Hes only 28 and fit as a fiddle. From todays innings he seemed to learnt his lesson and started to play smart cricket

No, that would be Kamran and Salman Butt

If Butt is unavailable, in any case, we should play a proper opener, not a slogger because Kamran is already there to do the pinch hitting role

There is room for proper cricket in t20 as shown by past matches. The most successful t20 batsmen have been generally proper players Kallis, Salman Butt, Mahela Jayawardene with the odd exceptions (Dilshan)

 

[chui_kadoo]

Definitely not a Nazir hater but very cautious about declaring he should be in the T20 squad based only on today's innings. The bowling he faced today was really, really poor standard. Kaneria isn't an international T20 standard bowler and none of the others are even close to being in the Pakistan T20 team. If Nazir maintains this form throughout the tournament and more importantly continues to show some maturity in his batting, then he should be representing Pakistan not only in T20s but ODIs too.
It's just unfortunate that every time I see Nazir against international quality bowling he just seems to lose composure and try to slog his way out of trouble.

If he keeps playing smart cricket without throwing his wicket away then he will do well in international criclet. For T20 hes a must. Even 30-40 runs is alot for T20

 

[*sallu*]

dude im talking about T20 not ODI's. He was awful with the ball in T20's

Why are you replying out of context?

I just posted about his fielding and you're replying to that with a post about his bowling

At the end of the day, both are going to fail when the ball does a bit or against a good attack.
You can play Nazir against Bangladesh and India in flat conditions but against any other international attack in any other conditions I'd prefer Hafeez because hes a better fielder and bowler

 

[iHammad]

i liked imran nazir's innings today.

played sensible. and took calculated risk :iamlegend

keep it up imran, prove those stupid selectors wrong

 

[chui_kadoo]

No, that would be Kamran and Salman Butt

If Butt is unavailable, in any case, we should play a proper opener, not a slogger because Kamran is already there to do the pinch hitting role

There is room for proper cricket in t20 as shown by past matches. The most successful t20 batsmen have been generally proper players Kallis, Salman Butt, Mahela Jayawardene with the odd exceptions (Dilshan)

we have no Jawardena and Kallis. Dilshan has done very well and hes a hitter. Imran Nazir has the technique to play smart cricket. If he keeps playing like this in the next few matches then he should be immediatly put in the T20 squad against SA

 

[chui_kadoo]

Why are you replying out of context?

I just posted about his fielding and you're replying to that with a post about his bowling

At the end of the day, both are going to fail when the ball does a bit or against a good attack.
You can play Nazir against Bangladesh and India in flat conditions but against any other international attack in any other conditions I'd prefer Hafeez because hes a better fielder and bowler

Where will the world cup be held. It will be played in India and bangladesh which will suit Imran Nazir. Dont forget he played well againnst NZ, SL and SA as well

 

[*sallu*]

Where will the world cup be held. It will be played in India and bangladesh which will suit Imran Nazir

But we will not be playing India and Bangladesh

Do you think Nazir can survive against this kind of pace in any conditions at any sort of consistancy?

RSA (Steyn and Morne Morkel)
Australia (Johnson, Hilfenhaus, Ryan Harris, Bollinger etc)
Sri Lanka (Malinga and Kulasekera)
England (Anderson and Broad)
West Indies (Roach and Fidel Edwards)

 

[chui_kadoo]

But we will not be playing India and Bangladesh

Do you think Nazir can survive against this kind of pace in any conditions at any sort of consistancy?

RSA (Steyn and Morne Morkel)
Australia (Johnson, Hilfenhaus, Ryan Harris, Bollinger etc)
Sri Lanka (Malinga and Kulasekera)
England (Anderson and Broad)
West Indies (Roach and Fidel Edwards)

He had played ok in SL . I recall him making a 40 and 30 something recently. As i said if he continues to play smart cricket then why not. Im not saying put him in the ODI squad just yet but he needs to be in the T20 squad.

 

[Usman Chadda]

But we will not be playing India and Bangladesh

Do you think Nazir can survive against this kind of pace in any conditions at any sort of consistancy?

RSA (Steyn and Morne Morkel)
Australia (Johnson, Hilfenhaus, Ryan Harris, Bollinger etc)
Sri Lanka (Malinga and Kulasekera)
England (Anderson and Broad)
West Indies (Roach and Fidel Edwards)

Well he will atleast try and get us off to a good start rather than block, block, block then throw his wicket away like Hafeez does

Depends on what we want really. With Kami out, selectors should have opted for a pure hitter rather than a wannabe in Imran Farhat

 

[arsalp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMJYH82r3i8

Eat this Haters.

 

[chui_kadoo]

I reckon even If Imran NAzir gets the most runs this series there will be still haters on here that will say hes no good for T20.

 

[Shaka81]

But we will not be playing India and Bangladesh

Do you think Nazir can survive against this kind of pace in any conditions at any sort of consistancy?

RSA (Steyn and Morne Morkel)
Australia (Johnson, Hilfenhaus, Ryan Harris, Bollinger etc)
Sri Lanka (Malinga and Kulasekera)
England (Anderson and Broad)
West Indies (Roach and Fidel Edwards)

To be fair to Nazir, if he maintains his form throughout the tournament and manages to score runs against the stronger teams in the tournament with better bowling attacks then I think he deserves a chance.
Although it's still to early in this tournament to be talking about him already being a certainty for the team. Too much hype, too early. It was a good innings but against a very poor bowling attack.

Personally I think Hafeez and Kamran Akmal are doing well as a partnership in the T20s right now and haven't done anything to deserve being dropped. If Nazir continues to perform and Hafeez/Akmal fail consistently, then he gets his chance.

 

[chui_kadoo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMJYH82r3i8

Eat this Haters.

good find my friend. That wil show the haters who think he cant play well against SA

 

[*sallu*]

Well he will atleast try and get us off to a good start rather than block, block, block then throw his wicket away like Hafeez does

Depends on what we want really. With Kami out, selectors should have opted for a pure hitter rather than a wannabe in Imran Farhat

Our last opening pair in England gave us starts off

62,112, 8, 62 and 63

Do you think thats a lack of trying?

Its shocking to see that people are not giving Hafeez credit, when for the first time in his career, hes finally managed to do something right

I would have retained the same opening combination, even if that meant retaining Kamran as a specialist batsman.

In any case, Imran Nazir doesn't make my side in any format. He has talent, but not enough ability to tackle Steyn and Morkel in any conditions.

 

[chui_kadoo]

To be fair to Nazir, if he maintains his form throughout the tournament and manages to score runs against the stronger teams in the tournament with better bowling attacks then I think he deserves a chance.
Although it's still to early in this tournament to be talking about him already being a certainty for the team. Too much hype, too early. It was a good innings but against a very poor bowling attack.

Personally I think Hafeez and Kamran Akmal are doing well as a partnership in the T20s right now and haven't done anything to deserve being dropped. If Nazir continues to perform and Hafeez/Akmal fail consistently, then he gets his chance.

What are u on. Hafeez has done nothing ever in T20. not one performance. Hes okay for ODI's but not T20

 

[*sallu*]

good find my friend. That wil show the haters who think he cant play well against SA

How many times has he done this in his career

Twice, maybe thrice, in 10 years of cricket

Thats a shame

Even Hafeez has had 2-3 good innings.
Doesn't make either of them good batsman.

 

[Shaka81]

Well he will atleast try and get us off to a good start rather than block, block, block then throw his wicket away like Hafeez does

Depends on what we want really. With Kami out, selectors should have opted for a pure hitter rather than a wannabe in Imran Farhat

Agree with this Farhat should never have been in the squad. Been poor with the bat and one of the worst fielders around. Hope he doesn't get a game against South Africa or I fear the worst!

 

[Maula Jutt]

Amir, Asif and Salman must be missing playing in front of home crowds. Wonderful atmosphere in the stadium today. And it's only going to get better as the tournament progresses.

 

[chui_kadoo]

How many times has he done this in his career

Twice, maybe thrice, in 10 years of cricket

Thats a shame

Even Hafeez has had 2-3 good innings.
Doesn't make either of them good batsman.

In T20 Hafeez has yet to have a good innings. Not one

 

[shaykh1985]

But we will not be playing India and Bangladesh

Do you think Nazir can survive against this kind of pace in any conditions at any sort of consistancy?

RSA (Steyn and Morne Morkel)
Australia (Johnson, Hilfenhaus, Ryan Harris, Bollinger etc)
Sri Lanka (Malinga and Kulasekera)
England (Anderson and Broad)
West Indies (Roach and Fidel Edwards)

In terms of ODI and T20's Kami is our best opener by a long stretch...its a shame about Salman Butt cos he was showing himself to be a very competent ODI and during the World Cup a very improved player in T20's...but with him out its stupid not to have Nazir playing in Emirates...T20's doesnt rely on consistency...it relies on the odd 1 or 2 special innings by a batsman...and if Nazir delivers a special innings it will be a matchwinning one...Hafeez deserves to be in the ODI squad but he isnt going to win you a match with the bat...

 

[Shaka81]

What are u on. Hafeez has done nothing ever in T20. not one performance. Hes okay for ODI's but not T20

Correct me if I'm wrong but he's not really had much of a chance as an opener in his last few T20 innings...
He showed in the ODIs though that if he's allowed to open with Kamran Akmal then he gives the team a good start and they work well as a partnership. Also his all round skills bring a good balance to the team. He's a good option as a bowler and one of the best fielders in the team.

 

[farazaidi]

arey bhai aap log kyun Imran Nazir ko lekay pareshan hain???

He played well today and we all like to see him maintain consistency throughout the tournament. But unfortunately, the squad for UAE series have already been announced and he doesnt feature in any of them. So lets give him due credit for this innings and we can consider his selection for future tours.

 

[Levity]

Our last opening pair in England gave us starts off

62,112, 8, 62 and 63

Do you think thats a lack of trying?

Its shocking to see that people are not giving Hafeez credit, when for the first time in his career, hes finally managed to do something right

I would have retained the same opening combination, even if that meant retaining Kamran as a specialist batsman.

In any case, Imran Nazir doesn't make my side in any format. He has talent, but not enough ability to tackle Steyn and Morkel in any conditions.

Agree with the top bit, can't say the same for the last sentence.

I don't think you can question Nazir's ability to take on the pacemen. Some of his shots in the video above were Tendulkaresque, all his shots were played against nippy pacers. It's just the bitter dichotomy of his batting; brilliant one moment, woeful the next.

 

[chui_kadoo]

Correct me if I'm wrong but he's not really had much of a chance as an opener in his last few T20 innings...
He showed in the ODIs though that if he's allowed to open with Kamran Akmal then he gives the team a good start and they work well as a partnership. Also his all round skills bring a good balance to the team. He's a good option as a bowler and one of the best fielders in the team.

r u forgetting the 6 failures on the trot in t20 in the world cup

 

[Usman Chadda]

Our last opening pair in England gave us starts off

62,112, 8, 62 and 63

Do you think thats a lack of trying?

Its shocking to see that people are not giving Hafeez credit, when for the first time in his career, hes finally managed to do something right

I would have retained the same opening combination, even if that meant retaining Kamran as a specialist batsman.

In any case, Imran Nazir doesn't make my side in any format. He has talent, but not enough ability to tackle Steyn and Morkel in any conditions.

Nope. Hafeez would have to do more than crawl to 30s and 40s to impress most of us. Face it, the guy looks like he is struggling every match. Kami covered up for Hafeez. If anything Kami is shockingly blasted way too much on this board when he has been the one covering the backsides of the likes of Butt and Hafeez for a long time now. Hafeez wastes too many balls in the powerplay, crawls to 20-30, gets out leaving the middle/lower-order to face the brunt of the problem

Not advocating Nazir's inclusion in the side, but seriously get over the fixation with Hafeez. He'll be found out ruthlessly by Steyn and co in Dubai

 

[chui_kadoo]

nope. Hafeez would have to do more than crawl to 30s and 40s to impress most of us. Face it, the guy looks like he is struggling every match. Kami covered up for hafeez. If anything kami is shockingly blasted way too much on this board when he has been the one covering the backsides of the likes of butt and hafeez for a long time now. Hafeez wastes too many balls in the powerplay, crawls to 20-30, gets out leaving the middle/lower-order to face the brunt of the problem

not advocating nazir's inclusion in the side, but seriously get over the fixation with hafeez. He'll be found out ruthlessly by steyn and co in dubai

+1

 

[Pakprideuk]

I think he'd be ok for t20's and odi's because i see a change in his attitude, he's changed a lot, a lot more responsible than before in his innings today but in order to make a proper judgement we have to watch him in all the games.

 

[Shaka81]

r u forgetting the 6 failures on the trot in t20 in the world cup

He didn't open in any of those games. I think he batted number 3 in most of those games. Salman Butt and Kamran Akmal opened in those games. If you're going to judge him as an opener then at least judge him games that he actually played as an opener.