Kashmir and PSA Detentions Post Scrapping 370

[m.shah]

Left, Right & Centre | Criminalising political dissent in Kashmir?
Shah Faesal, the 2010 Indian Administrative Service topper from Jammu and Kashmir, has been detained under the stringent Public Safety Act that allows detention without trial for up to three months and multiple extensions. Mr Faesal now joins a long list of leaders in Jammu and Kashmir, including three former chief ministers Farooq Abdullah, Omar Abdullah and Mehbooba Mufti, who have been booked under the PSA. Other political leaders who have been charged under the PSA are Ali Mohammed Sagar, Naeem Akhtar, Sartaj Madani and Hilal Lone. Is this a violation of democracy or essential for normalcy?

https://www.facebook.com/ndtv/videos/480252736000287/?v=480252736000287

The link I posted above is the news piece done by NDTV which shows the dirty face of GOI. Imagine the pro India leaders are met with such detentions then what will be the state of those who dared to challenge the atrocities of GOI.Recently one such 70 year old man was thrown behind bars with the help of PSA and he died in the jail outside Kashmir.
The fate Kashmiris are met inside the jails is worst then animals which is well known.
One on side GOI is claiming normalcy and the delegations from countries like Afghanistan, France are being paid free holidays to visit Kashmir and enjoy their time in Shikaras In Dal Lake. What is the point of such visits when are going to talk with the army officers here in kashmir.Why arent they being allowed to talk with the leaders of kashmir or even with common masses.
This BJP govt has crossed all the limits .They are so afraid that they are spending crores of rupees to block the social websites in kashmir so that voices would not be heard. In this day and age we are being forced to use 2G services which has choked all the digital economy too.
The PSA slapped on Shah Faisal is the most unfortunate among leaders.He has the power to bring the change as he was seen the leader of masses. He topped the IAS exam and joined the main stream poltics but only to get slapped with PSA. He didnt deserve this as he is a man with brilliant mind.
And on the otherside BJP is planning to go ahead with panchayat elections in march and that too when they have broken the back of kashmiri poltical parties and throwing them behind bars. By doing so BJP is set to win those elections as there will be hardly any votes in such scenario. Dont be surprised when these criminals come withj statements that people are happy with bjp etc .

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I saw a video of students at the Jamia University in Delhi being beaten viciously by cops. They entered the library and starting thrashing them. If they can do that in Delhi, then who knows what they are doing in the Valley.

 

[OhTwadi]

The day of judgement is reckoning.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It's been months and months of this barbaric detention.

Surely Pakistan must resort to other avenues now. If there are people who want to fight the brutal occupation, they should be supported by any means.

 

[OhTwadi]

It's been months and months of this barbaric detention.

Surely Pakistan must resort to other avenues now. If there are people who want to fight the brutal occupation, they should be supported by any means.

What more can Pakistan do? We can't just march into India and demand for the curfew to be lifted. I have taken part in many a protest in London. The turnout was amazing. Unfortunately, there's not much more we can do.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What more can Pakistan do? We can't just march into India and demand for the curfew to be lifted. I have taken part in many a protest in London. The turnout was amazing. Unfortunately, there's not much more we can do.

Plenty of Kashmiris are willing to defend themselves physically. Pakistan is a disgrace if all it can do it talk while they are suffering so much. Finance, train and support freedom fighters. Im sure Pakistan will do this as soon its off the FATF grey list. Indians soldiers who occupy others are cowards.

 

[Nostalgic]

Cutting off diplomatic relations would be a worthy step. We’re beginning to see the AJK leaders take more of a prominent role when dealing with the outside world, which is something many have called for in the past. I’ve read some among the Kashmiri diaspora call for Pakistan to withdraw from the Simla deal, so its no longer the “bilateral issue” the Indians keep telling the world it is.

Beyond that, I would be curious what the valleywallahs feel Pakistan should be doing. [MENTION=132658]m.shah[/MENTION], what is the consensus, if any, regarding this in Kashmir? Do people feel we’re doing enough? If not, what would they like to see happen from our side?

 

[Nostalgic]

One welcome change I’m seeing both from official circles in Pakistan and Pakistanis in general is that the “Kashmir baney ga Pakistan” slogan has been discarded. This was, quite frankly, presumptuous on our part. Whether it becomes Pakistan is for the Kashmiris to decide, and couldn’t be and shouldn’t be taken for granted. Plenty of Kashmiris, even the ones who favored this, felt insulted at this being considered a given.

Official responses of late have dwelt almost exclusively on the Kashmiris’ right to choose, and nothing much beyond that, which is how it ought to be.

 

[DeadBall]

Plenty of Kashmiris are willing to defend themselves physically. Pakistan is a disgrace if all it can do it talk while they are suffering so much. Finance, train and support freedom fighters. Im sure Pakistan will do this as soon its off the FATF grey list. Indians soldiers who occupy others are cowards.

Quite ironic. Why don't you go train with the freedom fighters if you feel so strongly about it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Quite ironic. Why don't you go train with the freedom fighters if you feel so strongly about it.

Why are you so upset? You should be wanting the same having been abused as subject living under a dictatorship but now you're baptised so im guessing you're healthy now. lol. The ISI is more than capable, they don't need me.

 

[Thomaskutty]

Surely Pakistan must resort to other avenues now. If there are people who want to fight the brutal occupation, they should be supported by any means.

Pakistanis are showing their support in the form of Kashmir Hour. If I remember right, Imran allotted 1 hour of silence every Friday for Pakistanis to stand up and observe in solidarity. The world has taken notice.

 

[IndianHero]

Pakistanis are showing their support in the form of Kashmir Hour. If I remember right, Imran allotted 1 hour of silence every Friday for Pakistanis to stand up and observe in solidarity. The world has taken notice.

I have to agree with this. The kashmir hour done by on that friday was noticed by every human being in this planet & from america to antarctica people were only talking about kashmir & pakistan ! IK had this great innovative idea which is literally giving shivers to modi & modi is not able sleep properly at night !

 

[IndianHero]

coming to topic,

indian govt wants new set of politicians to enter the business with muftis & abdullahs are meant to provoke & use kashmiris as human shield !

the only solution to this kashmir problem is demographics change ! It will slowly but surely happen just like the place where I m living now (i.e.. Hyderabad, TG, India).

In 1948 Hyderabad city had nearly 50 % muslims with 50 % hindus but in 2019 now its like 65 % hindus and 33 % muslims ... so similar demographic change needs to happen in J & K especially in the valley Period ! It will happen slowly but surely !

 

[Musakhel]

Pakistan needs to send the army in, there is no other solution if not today over Kashmir, than definitely tommorow over water.

 

[Mesozoic]

In 1948 Hyderabad city had nearly 50 % muslims with 50 % hindus but in 2019 now its like 65 % hindus and 33 % muslims ... so similar demographic change needs to happen in J & K especially in the valley Period ! It will happen slowly but surely !

Agree with your point but one thing. Hyderabad was atleast 80% Muslim back in 1948. Hindus lived in the villages surrounding the city but those were not part of the city.

 

[kk1992]

Pakistan need to do nothing other than keep highlighting India’s crimes.

Radical Hindus can’t and will never stop until they have total and complete hold on rest of the Hindus and Muslims of India.

One off the few countries where sectarian violence can happen and will bring temporary destruction to India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Plenty of Kashmiris are willing to defend themselves physically. Pakistan is a disgrace if all it can do it talk while they are suffering so much. Finance, train and support freedom fighters. Im sure Pakistan will do this as soon its off the FATF grey list. Indians soldiers who occupy others are cowards.

I would laugh at your post, but supporting terrorists and terrorism is no laughing matter.

 

[Azzurri]

I would laugh at your post, but supporting terrorists and terrorism is no laughing matter.

Surely you aren’t the one deciding who is and who’s isn’t a terrorist, especially looking at your past corrupt history.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Surely you aren’t the one deciding who is and who’s isn’t a terrorist, especially looking at your past corrupt history.

I am not. UN is. Different countries are.

Look at your own history, before pointing fingers at others.

 

[m.shah]

coming to topic,

indian govt wants new set of politicians to enter the business with muftis & abdullahs are meant to provoke & use kashmiris as human shield !

the only solution to this kashmir problem is demographics change ! It will slowly but surely happen just like the place where I m living now (i.e.. Hyderabad, TG, India).

In 1948 Hyderabad city had nearly 50 % muslims with 50 % hindus but in 2019 now its like 65 % hindus and 33 % muslims ... so similar demographic change needs to happen in J & K especially in the valley Period ! It will happen slowly but surely !

Who are those new politicians? Sanghis Or somelse? Was Shah Faisal not a new politician who was slapped with psa?
How is demographic change a solution to the current problem?

 

[m.shah]

Cutting off diplomatic relations would be a worthy step. We’re beginning to see the AJK leaders take more of a prominent role when dealing with the outside world, which is something many have called for in the past. I’ve read some among the Kashmiri diaspora call for Pakistan to withdraw from the Simla deal, so its no longer the “bilateral issue” the Indians keep telling the world it is.

Beyond that, I would be curious what the valleywallahs feel Pakistan should be doing. [MENTION=132658]m.shah[/MENTION], what is the consensus, if any, regarding this in Kashmir? Do people feel we’re doing enough? If not, what would they like to see happen from our side?

Well most people here thiink Pakistan is doing what they are capable of that is why people of valley love pak.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Well most people here thiink Pakistan is doing what they are capable of that is why people of valley love pak.

Awww that is so sweet...

 

[Azzurri]

I am not. UN is. Different countries are.

Look at your own history, before pointing fingers at others.

The same UN who is pointing towards the inhumane atrocities of your insecure state in occupied J&K?

 

[cricketjoshila]

The same UN who is pointing towards the inhumane atrocities of your insecure state in occupied J&K?

Show me the relevant UNSC resolution that says what you posted.

 

[IndianHero]

Who are those new politicians? Sanghis Or somelse? Was Shah Faisal not a new politician who was slapped with psa?

u will get a chance to find out who they are in next month's panchayat & sarpanch elections for 13000 seats to be held from march 6th to march 20th in phased manner.

I am not saying these new set of politicians will come over night but in slowly but surely this new breed will replace mufits & abdullahs in phased manner. Watch out !

How is demographic change a solution to the current problem?

Good question. Let me again quote hyderabad, the city where I am staying now , during late 90s hyderabad used to have many of this hindu-muslim riots in old city where it is pretty common for politicians (both hindu & muslim) to exploit poverty amongst lower class (financially) hindus & muslims for money/vote bank respectively.

After 2000s saw the boom of IT sector into hyderabad many big companies like microsoft,google,amazon, SAP,Oracle & what not , u call any big IT company today after 20 years they are present in hyderabad ! Land rates have skyrocked and IT revenue for telangana govt. from hyderabad has grown to $70 billion dollars ! More importantly all these local lower class (financially hindus & muslims) have got jobs in some cases who had good lands in areas where IT companies where established they became rich overnight !


So, this is wat will be happen in J & K too, big companies will start acquiring lands and once they do migrants from all over india will start coming to J & K (again not over night but in phased manner) and locals will have lot of jobs to do. This also prevents locals from joining militant orgs. This also leads to removal of most of the army in J & K . But again all these development will happen as this is wat bhagwaan wrote in the destiny of J & K but again in phased manner.

 

[Azzurri]

Show me the relevant UNSC resolution that says what you posted.

Read it, little man.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/07/10/kashmir-un-reports-serious-abuses

 

[cricketjoshila]

Read it, little man.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/07/10/kashmir-un-reports-serious-abuses

Ignorant fellow. Read what i posted.

Relevant UNSC resolution.

Go find one.

 

[kk1992]

I would laugh at your post, but supporting terrorists and terrorism is no laughing matter.

What do you call a political party that promotes murders of minorities just because they aren’t Hindu?

And what do you call those who elect these politicians who openly ask to kill non-subservient Muslims to radicalized Hindus?

What is the label that you use to describe your love for such politicians? Let’s see if that label is funny ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

What do you call a political party that promotes murders of minorities just because they aren’t Hindu?

And what do you call those who elect these politicians who openly ask to kill non-subservient Muslims to radicalized Hindus?

What is the label that you use to describe your love for such politicians? Let’s see if that label is funny ?

I call this a ignorant rant. Based on irrational fear of another religion.

 

[kk1992]

I call this a ignorant rant. Based on irrational fear of another religion.

So what happens when that ignorant rant and irrational fear of Muslims in India led to violence and killing of minorities? what do you call that?

 

[cricketjoshila]

So what happens when that ignorant rant and irrational fear of Muslims in India led to violence and killing of minorities? what do you call that?

Hindu Muslim riots have happened in the subcontinent for a long time, even before partition.

 

[IndianHero]

What do you call a political party that promotes murders of minorities just because they aren’t Hindu?

And what do you call those who elect these politicians who openly ask to kill non-subservient Muslims to radicalized Hindus?

What is the label that you use to describe your love for such politicians? Let’s see if that label is funny ?

what do u call a person who openly in broad day (16th august 1946) light called for violent protests & ordered for killings of people by giving it a fancy name as 'direct action' so as to justify his call for an independent state ?

Due to his call for 'direct action' at least 4000 hindus & muslims died !

 

[KingKhanWC]

I would laugh at your post, but supporting terrorists and terrorism is no laughing matter.

You can laugh or jump up and down, the right to self defence is a universal moral right. Helping freedom fighters against those who are oppressing, terrorising them is an honourable thing to do.

 

[kk1992]

what do u call a person who openly in broad day (16th august 1946) light called for violent protests & ordered for killings of people by giving it a fancy name as 'direct action' so as to justify his call for an independent state ?

Due to his call for 'direct action' at least 4000 hindus & muslims died !

Fighting against oppression and what to come in future for the minorities, particularly in a country like India, where hate against minorities is the easiest item to sell by radicalized elected politician, which has been proven on multiple occasion.

Was not that difficult of a decision to be made when you are oppressed or going to be oppressed.

 

[kk1992]

Hindu Muslim riots have happened in the subcontinent for a long time, even before partition.

It is only radicalized Hindus who are being violent and getting elected in current India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It is only radicalized Hindus who are being violent and getting elected in current India.

Thats the view of radicalized muslims.