Kashmir Files (trailer) - propaganda or a reality film?

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Distracting won't work anymore.

A bgrade movie is a bgrade movie. Contempt for it is not the same as contempt for the topic. Just like dislike for Modi is not the same as disliking the country. Those are old tactics. But you knew that already.

What's preventing Shah from shaking up the Delhi BJP unit? And did you just mention the Delhi riots with a straight face trying to suggest Hindus came off worse there?

You don't like the movie is fine... but when are you going to present the numbers that show where the UPA govt did more for KPs that anyone else?

 

[pillionrider]

The reality is, you'd never hear a peep out of any of the fans of this trash movie about Raazi, a good movie (by Bollywood standards) because it featured the true story of a Kashmiri Muslim girl who worked as a spy for the Indian government in Pakistan.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

What does the number killed have to do with the content of the movie?

Yes. That would literally be the definition of lying and ‘jhoot’

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Do 89 deaths constitute a genocide?

The official Indian authorities count of Kashmir Pandits death is 89. See report below:

While any death is sad and too many but certainly 89 deaths do not count as a genocide. The sad thing is that the same people who want to call this a genocide are ones who says that the Gujrat massacres where thousands died was not a genocide. How does that work?

 

[MP2011]

Yes. That would literally be the definition of lying and ‘jhoot’

Lol, have said this multiple times on last page but that guy is still asking where is the propaganda and 'jhooth' in this trash!

 

[MP2011]

The official Indian authorities count of Kashmir Pandits death is 89. See report below:

While any death is sad and too many but certainly 89 deaths do not count as a genocide. The sad thing is that the same people who want to call this a genocide are ones who says that the Gujrat massacres where thousands died was not a genocide. How does that work?

This!

Yeah, this is what I've been saying. Too many lies and propaganda against one particular community by a known trouble maker.

You know someone is lying when sanghis are falling over each other to support it. Even the bigot who should have better things to do, is devoting so much time to promote this garbage.

 

[MP2011]

And did you just mention the Delhi riots with a straight face trying to suggest Hindus came off worse there?

What else did you expect from someone who has no qualms in supporting lynching accused?

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Lol, have said this multiple times on last page but that guy is still asking where is the propaganda and 'jhooth' in this trash!

89 is the number of FIRs that were filed and recorded successfully. That in no way indicates the actual number of deaths.

We have already done this dance on this thread. I gave 2 examples of folks that were murdered and no FIR was filed. One was even a policeman. So to say this is the number of deaths is laughable.

Still waiting on whether you have actually watched the movie.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

89 is the number of FIRs that were filed and recorded successfully. That in no way indicates the actual number of deaths.

We have already done this dance on this thread. I gave 2 examples of folks that were murdered and no FIR was filed. One was even a policeman. So to say this is the number of deaths is laughable.

Still waiting on whether you have actually watched the movie.

Lol this guy thinks killimgs are counted only when FIRs are filed.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Lol this guy thinks killimgs are counted only when FIRs are filed.

You may want to see the basis for those numbers.

 

[Itachi]

Lol this guy thinks killimgs are counted only when FIRs are filed.

If you believe otherwise, could you provide the circulars/methodology based upon which numbers are counted?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Distracting won't work anymore.

A bgrade movie is a bgrade movie. Contempt for it is not the same as contempt for the topic. Just like dislike for Modi is not the same as disliking the country. Those are old tactics. But you knew that already.

What's preventing Shah from shaking up the Delhi BJP unit? And did you just mention the Delhi riots with a straight face trying to suggest Hindus came off worse there?

A third grade post or third grade opinion of a hater is third grade. We know how politicians in India appease muslims to get their votes, at the cost of other religions.

Delhi BJP has many divisions, Khurana, Verma, Jaitley and others. There is only so much Shah can do to change it.

So you wanted hindus to come off worse?Why am i not surprised.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The official Indian authorities count of Kashmir Pandits death is 89. See report below:

While any death is sad and too many but certainly 89 deaths do not count as a genocide. The sad thing is that the same people who want to call this a genocide are ones who says that the Gujrat massacres where thousands died was not a genocide. How does that work?

This only talks about people killed in Srinagar.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

A third grade post or third grade opinion of a hater is third grade. We know how politicians in India appease muslims to get their votes, at the cost of other religions.

Delhi BJP has many divisions, Khurana, Verma, Jaitley and others. There is only so much Shah can do to change it.

So you wanted hindus to come off worse?Why am i not surprised.

It is sad to see what politics of hate does to some ppl. The same MP2011 earlier in the thread said he understands the plight of the Kashmiri Hindus. The moment Modi supported the movie and Kejriwal called it jhooti... He did the same. At least the movie expert has been consistent in his stand as he understood everything about the movie from the trailer itself.

 

[pillionrider]

We know how politicians in India appease muslims to get their votes, at the cost of other religions.

You seriously think the Congress has had the best interests of Muslims over the years? Why are Muslims among the most backward communities in India socially and economically?

So you wanted hindus to come off worse?Why am i not surprised.

So you agree that Hindus did not come off worse? Then why bring up the Delhi riots when Hindus were the aggressors in that specific case.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

We need another movie from Vivek Agnihotri. Let me suggest the title of that movie : Gujarat Files.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lol this guy thinks killimgs are counted only when FIRs are filed.

And that is how these andhbhakhts think. You can never challenge their intelligence.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

And that is how these andhbhakhts think. You can never challenge their intelligence.

So how did these numbers get calculated according to you oh knowledgeable one?

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

If you believe otherwise, could you provide the circulars/methodology based upon which numbers are counted?

The onus is on you not me to prove otherwise.

I am supporting and going by the traditional position of how these work.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

The onus is on you not me to prove otherwise.

I am supporting and going by the traditional position of how these work.

So how do the police typically record these according to you? Pls note that the record is from the district police hq

 

[Itachi]

The onus is on you not me to prove otherwise.

I am supporting and going by the traditional position of how these work.

I didn't even made any claims to prove lol. You should check twice whom you are quoting.

I just asked a question. I didn't even write my opinion regarding the context.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

I didn't even made any claims to prove lol. You should check twice whom you are quoting.

I just asked a question. I didn't even write my opinion regarding the context.

There is nothing for me to prove. Any claims has to come from the side claiming that an individual FIR has to be filed for each death.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Interesting take on this from a Kashmiri Muslim. I guess it is not a jhooti film

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

A third grade post or third grade opinion of a hater is third grade. We know how politicians in India appease muslims to get their votes, at the cost of other religions.

Delhi BJP has many divisions, Khurana, Verma, Jaitley and others. There is only so much Shah can do to change it.

So you wanted hindus to come off worse?Why am i not surprised.

How do they appease Muslims at the cost of other religions? That is a thought provoking accusation.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Interesting take on this from a Kashmiri Muslim. I guess it is not a jhooti film

That is just 1 Kashmiri muslim or are you going to generalise all of them based on 1 Kashmiri Muslim's view?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

A third grade post or third grade opinion of a hater is third grade. We know how politicians in India appease muslims to get their votes, at the cost of other religions.

Delhi BJP has many divisions, Khurana, Verma, Jaitley and others. There is only so much Shah can do to change it.

So you wanted hindus to come off worse?Why am i not surprised.

Your posts are no different. You are a known muslim hater. We need politicians like Modi in every corner of India. He surely knows how to appease people from each religion to get their votes.

Enjoy this video

 

[KingKhanWC]

I know this has been brought up many times in the past on previous discussions... do read what were the pre-conditions of the int law.

Once India confirms it will give the Kashmiris the right of self determination, a vote. All conditions will be met.

We all know India doesnt want to give the vote , so stop trying to pass this off as others fault lol.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Once India confirms it will give the Kashmiris the right of self determination, a vote. All conditions will be met.

We all know India doesnt want to give the vote , so stop trying to pass this off as others fault lol.

A vote cant happen now brather.

China will need to vacate the Kashmir side which they are occupying, the side which Pakistan did a land swap with. China won't vacate.

It is time we realized, India, Pakistan and China does not want a vote on Kashmir to take place, by the public.

It will all be talks blah blah blah, Kashmiri independence, this, that, poor people, suffering, in reality it is all an act.

 

[KingKhanWC]

A vote cant happen now brather.

China will need to vacate the Kashmir side which they are occupying, the side which Pakistan did a land swap with. China won't vacate.

It is time we realized, India, Pakistan and China does not want a vote on Kashmir to take place, by the public.

It will all be talks blah blah blah, Kashmiri independence, this, that, poor people, suffering, in reality it is all an act.

China wont have little choice and it wont mind a vote taking place because the outcome is clear. The same goes for Pakistan.

Bro, you're not an extremist Monk. You live as I do, in comfort and away from the motherlands.

India and Pak have both been used against each other, the stupidy of these people to hate each other, go to war etc to please the white man is beyond words.

India should announce this vote, everything else will fall into place. Kashmir will likely vote for Independence. Both Pak and India can then help a new nation flurish. Give right of return to all inc Hindus, there is plenty of room.

The west are laughing at the brown people willing to nuke each other, living in poverty because they have divided them 70 years ago.

No Indian cannot be upset of anything towards Pandits if dont want to give the people their legitimate right of self determination which is their legal and moral right.

 

[Champ_Pal]

A vote cant happen now brather.

China will need to vacate the Kashmir side which they are occupying, the side which Pakistan did a land swap with. China won't vacate.

It is time we realized, India, Pakistan and China does not want a vote on Kashmir to take place, by the public.

It will all be talks blah blah blah, Kashmiri independence, this, that, poor people, suffering, in reality it is all an act.

With the existing people in Kashmir, if a vote is given, most Kahsmiris will want to be either separate country or join Pakistan. Kashmiris will never want to be under Hindu rule. Pakistan knows this very well. Its easy to for them to fan the fires of separation.

I believe the only thing working in India's favor is that Pakistan is a failed state and struggling to stay afloat. If ever Pakistan gets in the path of prosperity, there will be massive protests in Kashmir for independence from India. Everyone is biding their time waiting for an opportunity.

 

[Local.Dada]

A vote cant happen now brather.

.

A plebiscite is out of question now.

First the minority was attacked and a massive exodus happened.

The Kashmiri freedom moment was given a religious color. Once that comes in to play it takes away from the legitimate grievances people might have against the government be it India or Pakistan.

Jammu and Ladakh will never go to Pakistan. Are you kidding me a Hindu and Buddhist majority region handed over to Pakistan. No sane person would agree to that.

So at best/ worst case scenario India will move on from POK/ Azad Kashmir and maybe let go of a couple of districts on the Indian side which have militant insurgency.

Then it is Pakistan’s problem to give freedom or incorporate them. Good luck adding over more extreme religious driven militant groups to your side.

 

[KingKhanWC]

A plebiscite is out of question now.

First the minority was attacked and a massive exodus happened.

The Kashmiri freedom moment was given a religious color. Once that comes in to play it takes away from the legitimate grievances people might have against the government be it India or Pakistan.

Jammu and Ladakh will never go to Pakistan. Are you kidding me a Hindu and Buddhist majority region handed over to Pakistan. No sane person would agree to that.

So at best/ worst case scenario India will move on from POK/ Azad Kashmir and maybe let go of a couple of districts on the Indian side which have militant insurgency.

Then it is Pakistan’s problem to give freedom or incorporate them. Good luck adding over more extreme religious driven militant groups to your side.

You want India to give up nearly half of Kashmir because Pakistan occupies it? It wont make the Hindutva monks look very strong if they do this?

 

[Local.Dada]

You want India to give up nearly half of Kashmir because Pakistan occupies it? It wont make the Hindutva monks look very strong if they do this?

I personally would. I don’t represent my government like you represent Imran

We keep Jammu, Ladakh and districts of Kashmir which are heavily pro-india.

We let go of the rabid ones. As I said those Kashmiris can decide if they want independence or stay with Pakistan.

It’s not going to be paradise. Whoever gets POK side and those border districts will also inherit a huge number of terrorists and militants. Good luck with that.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I personally would. I don’t represent my government like you represent Imran

We keep Jammu, Ladakh and districts of Kashmir which are heavily pro-india.

We let go of the rabid ones. As I said those Kashmiris can decide if they want independence or stay with Pakistan.

It’s not going to be paradise. Whoever gets POK side and those border districts will also inherit a huge number of terrorists and militants. Good luck with that.

Indian army terrorists have already been in occupied Kasmir for decades. Azad Kashmir seems another world , its free as per its name but you wont see this on Republic TV.

Good luck with abusing humans and occupying them , it never lasts forever.

Remember a minority of Muslims ruled over a majority of Hindus, its never been vice versa.

 

[Local.Dada]

Remember a minority of Muslims ruled over a majority of Hindus, its never been vice versa.

That’s ok. If some poor Muslim cobbler in Karachi can feel pride over that fact and rub that in Ambani’s face, I would be happy for him.

 

[Lego20]

You want India to give up nearly half of Kashmir because Pakistan occupies it? It wont make the Hindutva monks look very strong if they do this?

India is settled at stalemate at this point. The cost to annex PoK is very high. The decision is with Pakistan - if you decide to force a war on us though terrorism and insurgency, this govt will go beyond restoring the status quo and you will end up (IMO) losing PoK.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

A plebiscite is out of question now.

First the minority was attacked and a massive exodus happened.

The Kashmiri freedom moment was given a religious color. Once that comes in to play it takes away from the legitimate grievances people might have against the government be it India or Pakistan.

Jammu and Ladakh will never go to Pakistan. Are you kidding me a Hindu and Buddhist majority region handed over to Pakistan. No sane person would agree to that.

So at best/ worst case scenario India will move on from POK/ Azad Kashmir and maybe let go of a couple of districts on the Indian side which have militant insurgency.

Then it is Pakistan’s problem to give freedom or incorporate them. Good luck adding over more extreme religious driven militant groups to your side.

That minority formed hardly a few percentage of the population so as far as. A vote is concerned it was irrelevant

 

[KingKhanWC]

India is settled at stalemate at this point. The cost to annex PoK is very high. The decision is with Pakistan - if you decide to force a war on us though terrorism and insurgency, this govt will go beyond restoring the status quo and you will end up (IMO) losing PoK.

Its not the cost in rupees but in nuclear war. India cannot do anything to Pakistan, wake up pal.

Freedom fighters will continue as they did in Pulwama. India will fly by bomb some trees and run off , nothing more is possible.

So its best for India to allow a Kashmir nation to be created and both nations to make peace. But Extremist Hindus cant get over history of Muslim rule. Have you?

 

[Romali_rotti]

China wont have little choice and it wont mind a vote taking place because the outcome is clear. The same goes for Pakistan.

Bro, you're not an extremist Monk. You live as I do, in comfort and away from the motherlands.

India and Pak have both been used against each other, the stupidy of these people to hate each other, go to war etc to please the white man is beyond words.

India should announce this vote, everything else will fall into place. Kashmir will likely vote for Independence. Both Pak and India can then help a new nation flurish. Give right of return to all inc Hindus, there is plenty of room.

The west are laughing at the brown people willing to nuke each other, living in poverty because they have divided them 70 years ago.

No Indian cannot be upset of anything towards Pandits if dont want to give the people their legitimate right of self determination which is their legal and moral right.

Bro,

I see what you are saying.

However the issue is, in order for the plebiscite to take place, as per the UN terms and conditions, Pakistan must vacate all troop presence from Kashmir, this will now include China as well.

Then

Indians are still allowed to maintain minimum troop presence in the region per the UN.

Once the above 2 conditions are met, then the plebiscite can take place:

The word 'minimum' here is ambiguous, a minimum could mean around 60K troops. Pakistan and China would be suspicious of what the Indians could get up to here, as they have to vacate all their military presence and the Chinese have already built infrastructure in disputed land POK, Indians may very well sabotage all this with their 'minimum' troop presence.

You have to take into consideration that Pakistan and China doesn't have a whole lot of friends, so if they vacate their military presence from POK, the UN might just allow Indians to do whatever they want, hence POK might also be lost to Pakistan and China.

There is no solution to this bro, Nehru has seen to it that India and Pakistan will remain enemies till the end of time. Best people like us can hope for is the occasional peace here and there such as an Indian cricket team tour of Pakistan and vice versa before things always go haywire like it usually does.

Kashmiris have no clue after all these years that they are nothing but pawns for India and Pakistan. Their fate is sealed, what we see now is their destiny, it may possibly get worse for them however.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

That is just 1 Kashmiri muslim or are you going to generalise all of them based on 1 Kashmiri Muslim's view?

It's good that ppl are starting to realize and come forward. 1 by 1 is fine. At least ppl have the bravery to speak up against the atrocities that happened. This will hopefully lead to justice

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

You want India to give up nearly half of Kashmir because Pakistan occupies it? It wont make the Hindutva monks look very strong if they do this?

Why doesn't Pak the benefactor of Kashmiri Sunni Muslims make PoK truly independent? No swearing oath to Pak etc. Let Pak show how much they care. Remove your troops from there and let PoK become a republic?

 

[JaDed]

How do they appease Muslims at the cost of other religions? That is a thought provoking accusation.

That used to be true , famous Shah Bano case was under Rajiv Gandhi.(probably the worst PM we had in terms of exponential growth of BJP).

Congress failed to create one country one law, giving rise to an issue which BJP have used forever to grow.

Also in my state where i grew up , these local governments(non BJP) take over Hindu temples but wouldn’t dare do it to Mosques and Churches(which is their vote bank).

BJP could had never existed hadn’t it been for stupidity of Congress on various issues.

But in all honesty Congress from 1991 has been pretty good, but their past mistakes will keep haunting them.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Bro,

I see what you are saying.

However the issue is, in order for the plebiscite to take place, as per the UN terms and conditions, Pakistan must vacate all troop presence from Kashmir, this will now include China as well.

Then

Indians are still allowed to maintain minimum troop presence in the region per the UN.

Once the above 2 conditions are met, then the plebiscite can take place:

The word 'minimum' here is ambiguous, a minimum could mean around 60K troops. Pakistan and China would be suspicious of what the Indians could get up to here, as they have to vacate all their military presence and the Chinese have already built infrastructure in disputed land POK, Indians may very well sabotage all this with their 'minimum' troop presence.

You have to take into consideration that Pakistan and China doesn't have a whole lot of friends, so if they vacate their military presence from POK, the UN might just allow Indians to do whatever they want, hence POK might also be lost to Pakistan and China.

There is no solution to this bro, Nehru has seen to it that India and Pakistan will remain enemies till the end of time. Best people like us can hope for is the occasional peace here and there such as an Indian cricket team tour of Pakistan and vice versa before things always go haywire like it usually does.

Kashmiris have no clue after all these years that they are nothing but pawns for India and Pakistan. Their fate is sealed, what we see now is their destiny, it may possibly get worse for them however.

Nehru was no prophet bro, its his opinion. We should try to ignore this and make some positive moves.

I agree with much of what you say.

Pakistan will move its troops very quickly ONCE India agrees to hold a vote. Nobody can expect Pakistan to vacate when India makes no such offer. Are you suggesting India is willing to offer the vote? If so , Pakistan and China move out, India then tries to take those areas, it will lead to a nuclear war. I promise you Pakistan will not go down without taking India with them. Its daft for for both to even get this close over land which may mean destruction of both, whatever is left will be worthless.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That used to be true , famous Shah Bano case was under Rajiv Gandhi.(probably the worst PM we had in terms of exponential growth of BJP).

Congress failed to create one country one law, giving rise to an issue which BJP have used forever to grow.

Also in my state where i grew up , these local governments(non BJP) take over Hindu temples but wouldn’t dare do it to Mosques and Churches(which is their vote bank).

BJP could had never existed hadn’t it been for stupidity of Congress on various issues.

But in all honesty Congress from 1991 has been pretty good, but their past mistakes will keep haunting them.

Isn't that how democracy works? Local govts should represent their voters? Or vote banks as you have preferred to describe them?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Are you suggesting India is willing to offer the vote? If so , Pakistan and China move out, India then tries to take those areas, it will lead to a nuclear war. I promise you Pakistan will not go down without taking India with them. Its daft for for both to even get this close over land which may mean destruction of both, whatever is left will be worthless.

Well what I spoke about in the previous post is of a potential scenario brathar of what could happen if Pakistan demilitarize per UN conditions.

I can see how Pakistan would be against the UN terms and conditions as it looks very favorable to the Indian side. UN allowing a minimum Indian troop presence in the region, is too much of a risk as far as Pakistan is concerned. Indians could even RIG/Sabotage the vote bank to be in their favor, in such a scenario Pakistan has a high risk of losing POK with the UN backing India.

By not having the plebiscite take place Pakistan wins, Pakistan gets to keep the India boogey man, India is bad, India is killing the Kashmiris, India is a threat to their public which justifies their military being in control.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Well what I spoke about in the previous post is of a potential scenario brathar of what could happen if Pakistan demilitarize per UN conditions.

I can see how Pakistan would be against the UN terms and conditions as it looks very favorable to the Indian side. UN allowing a minimum Indian troop presence in the region, is too much of a risk as far as Pakistan is concerned. Indians could even RIG/Sabotage the vote bank to be in their favor, in such a scenario Pakistan has a high risk of losing POK with the UN backing India.

By not having the plebiscite take place Pakistan wins, Pakistan gets to keep the India boogey man, India is bad, India is killing the Kashmiris, India is a threat to their public which justifies their military being in control.

Sure but before anything can happen, talks will take place where India MUST confirm they are willing to give vote. You're not very clear bro but it seems you think India WILL give vote? Am I right?

If this vote ever takes place India wont be able to rig the vote in its favour for two reasons. 1. There will be hundreds of Int independent observers. 2. The majority are Muslims, so there is no chance of India getting close or winning. Best bet for India is to work to make Kashmir Indpendent with a trade and peace deals.

Whatever our opinions, the ground realities(for whatever reasons) is those in Azad Kashmir are living a happy life, not attacking the army around them. The opposite in Indian controlled Kashmir. This cannot be denied by anyone and pretty much answers everything.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Sure but before anything can happen, talks will take place where India MUST confirm they are willing to give vote. You're not very clear bro but it seems you think India WILL give vote? Am I right?

I believe India will come to for the plebiscite brathar, however certain conditions would need to be met, some of it are handing over Hafeez Saeed, Mazood Azhar etc.

 

[Lego20]

But Extremist Hindus cant get over history of Muslim rule. Have you?

No, I still feel and pity my brothers across the border whose forefathers were converted and now see their progeny revel on that misfortune.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Amazing news. Hopefully, more animals like this man Bitta Karate are brought to justice. Unbelievable that they are roaming free.

https://www.news18.com/news/india/t...ate-to-be-tried-for-murder-today-4922837.html

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No, I still feel and pity my brothers across the border whose forefathers were converted and now see their progeny revel on that misfortune.

They aren't your brothers.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I believe India will come to for the plebiscite brathar, however certain conditions would need to be met, some of it are handing over Hafeez Saeed, Mazood Azhar etc.

Has India made this stance official?

Please let me know when they officially confirm to the world a plebiscite will take place. Its been decades and nothing but excuses. Once India confirm, we can then look at conditions. Until then its a pointless excercise.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No, I still feel and pity my brothers across the border whose forefathers were converted and now see their progeny revel on that misfortune.

Most chose to convert away from a sick caste system. Islam made more sense too. Reason why Muslims ruled so quickly and for so long was Islam was great for much of the population.

There is no need to be embarrased, Muslims made India a great nation, look at it now.

 

[Lego20]

Most chose to convert away from a sick caste system. Islam made more sense too. Reason why Muslims ruled so quickly and for so long was Islam was great for much of the population.

There is no need to be embarrased, Muslims made India a great nation, look at it now.

We are proud to have resisted and defended our religion in the face of a sword. Our pity and commiserations for the weak fallen ones.

India is one of world's oldest and greatest continued civilization molded in many ways by Hinduism 1000s of years before Islam came into being. Keep your religious avengelism to yourself.

 

[KingKhanWC]

We are proud to have resisted and defended our religion in the face of a sword. Our pity and commiserations for the weak fallen ones.

India is one of world's oldest and greatest continued civilization molded in many ways by Hinduism 1000s of years before Islam came into being. Keep your religious avengelism to yourself.

If a sword was used you'd not be here to be proud today. Many Hindus lives improved under Islamic rule, inc better food.

There has never been a Global Hindu Empire. Conquered by Muslims who made it wealthy , then by Brits who turned into a 3rd world country, which India still is today.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

If a sword was used you'd not be here to be proud today. Many Hindus lives improved under Islamic rule, inc better food.

There has never been a Global Hindu Empire. Conquered by Muslims who made it wealthy , then by Brits who turned into a 3rd world country, which India still is today.

Wow! You have truly created a parallel history!

 

[KingKhanWC]

Wow! You have truly created a parallel history!

A response Modi would give. Can I have a biscuit with my tea?

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

A response Modi would give. Can I have a biscuit with my tea?

It's your world .. you should be able to have anything you wish!

 

[cricketjoshila]

If a sword was used you'd not be here to be proud today. Many Hindus lives improved under Islamic rule, inc better food.

There has never been a Global Hindu Empire. Conquered by Muslims who made it wealthy , then by Brits who turned into a 3rd world country, which India still is today.

Everyone doesn't give up to the sword, many resist. That's why most of India is still non muslim. Look at a spain, they resisted the islamic invaders for centuries, finally overthrew them and then erased their very existence from Spain. Look at the Jews, they were forced to leave centuries ago, yet now they are back in their land.


Indian GDP fell under the Mughals, they were looters and invaders who used the wealth for their own luxuries.

What is global hindu empire? The Mauryan empire was bigger than the Mughals. Looters like mughals invaded India because India was wealthy.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Everyone doesn't give up to the sword, many resist. That's why most of India is still non muslim. Look at a spain, they resisted the islamic invaders for centuries, finally overthrew them and then erased their very existence from Spain. Look at the Jews, they were forced to leave centuries ago, yet now they are back in their land.


Indian GDP fell under the Mughals, they were looters and invaders who used the wealth for their own luxuries.

What is global hindu empire? The Mauryan empire was bigger than the Mughals. Looters like mughals invaded India because India was wealthy.

If resistance was so good there wouldnt be ruling for around 1000 years over a large part.

Mughals made India the richest nation. If they were looters, knock down the Taj Mahal and other structures. Most people not from India see the Taj as the ulitmate structure which defines India.

A Global Empire is one which crosses multiple continents. Mughals were part of the Islamic Empire.

What kind of daft history are you guys taught in Saffron India now?

 

[cricketjoshila]

If resistance was so good there wouldnt be ruling for around 1000 years over a large part.

Mughals made India the richest nation. If they were looters, knock down the Taj Mahal and other structures. Most people not from India see the Taj as the ulitmate structure which defines India.

A Global Empire is one which crosses multiple continents. Mughals were part of the Islamic Empire.

What kind of daft history are you guys taught in Saffron India now?

Resistance was great thats why despite the atrocities, most of India didn't convert to the faith of these looters and invaders.We still kept our religion, culture and heritage. They were unsuccessful in doing to India what they had done to places like Persia and Afghanistan etc.

Mughals looted India.

Why should we knock down the Taj? It was built with Indian money ,by Indian labour using Indian materials.

Mughal empire didn't cross any continent. They were limited to the subcontinent. You need to learn both history and geography.

We are free to learn history from as many sources we want. You need to learn history outside of your religion and origin's perspective.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Resistance was great thats why despite the atrocities, most of India didn't convert to the faith of these looters and invaders.We still kept our religion, culture and heritage. They were unsuccessful in doing to India what they had done to places like Persia and Afghanistan etc.

Mughals looted India.

Why should we knock down the Taj? It was built with Indian money ,by Indian labour using Indian materials.

Mughal empire didn't cross any continent. They were limited to the subcontinent. You need to learn both history and geography.

We are free to learn history from as many sources we want. You need to learn history outside of your religion and origin's perspective.

How did Mughals loot India? And even if they did, the same money stayed in India, just as the Taj stayed in India.

Or you are saying Mughals had Swiss Bank Accounts and Off Shore companies too?

The exile HINDU Indians have looted more than Mughals could've ever imagined.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

If resistance was so good there wouldnt be ruling for around 1000 years over a large part.

Mughals made India the richest nation. If they were looters, knock down the Taj Mahal and other structures. Most people not from India see the Taj as the ulitmate structure which defines India.

A Global Empire is one which crosses multiple continents. Mughals were part of the Islamic Empire.

What kind of daft history are you guys taught in Saffron India now?

What kind of history are you taught? Interested to know that. It seems your history of our region probably started with Bin Qasim invading and obliterating Sindh. Before that, you probably think only barbarians were there.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

How did Mughals loot India? And even if they did, the same money stayed in India, just as the Taj stayed in India.

Or you are saying Mughals had Swiss Bank Accounts and Off Shore companies too?

The exile HINDU Indians have looted more than Mughals could've ever imagined.

Babur was a Central Asian King whose entire line identified themselves with Timur. His ultimate goal was to get enough money from India to take back Samarkand. They were also subservient to the Persians and often gave them a lot of money.

The Taj Mahal was one of the biggest money sinks ever. In today's money, it would have cost almost 70 billion USD - the cost of 80 Hoover Dams.

Why should India knock something like that down without trying to get something back in return? The Mughal and the various Sultanates across India heralded the time of India's dark ages in terms of knowledge and literature.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Has India made this stance official?

Please let me know when they officially confirm to the world a plebiscite will take place. Its been decades and nothing but excuses. Once India confirm, we can then look at conditions. Until then its a pointless excercise.

Indians have always maintained that in order for talks to happen on Kashmir, Pakistan must stop all terrorism in Kashmir.

So

One of the first steps to get India to the conversation table would be handing over terrorists Hafeez Saaed and Mazood Azhar..

Yes I do agree this is a pointless exercise as Pakistan wont meet India's demands and vise versa.

 

[Romali_rotti]

The Kashmir Files cleared without cuts in UAE. Vivek Agnihotri has a message for Indians calling film ‘Islamophobic’

Vivek Agnihotri's directorial venture, The Kashmir Files, has done the unthinkable at the box office. It has united people and emerged as one of the biggest hits in Bollywood. Now, the film is set to release in UAE. Director Vivek Agnihotri said that an ‘Islamic country after 4 weeks of scrutiny has passed it’, while some Indians are calling the film ‘Islamophobic’.

The Kashmir Files has crossed the Rs 250 crore mark worldwide at the box office. Now, in a major achievement, the film has been passed without any cuts in UAE, that too without any cuts. It will also release in Singapore soon. Vivek Agnihotri took to Twitter to share this news with his fans and followers. He wrote, "BIG VICTORY: FINALLY, got the censor clearance from UAE. Rated 15+ passed without any cuts. Releasing on 7th April (Thursday). Now, Singapore. (Thanks Sanu for this portrait) (sic).”


Speaking on this victory in UAE, the director addressed those who have termed the film ‘Islamophobic’. He said, "In India, some people are calling it Islamophobic but an Islamic country after 4 weeks of scrutiny has passed it with 0 cuts and for 15+ audience whereas in India it is 18+".

Further, Vivek Agnihotri talked about the those opposing the film and stressed The Kashmir Files is about humanity. He said, “The same thing has happened in Singapore, where it took almost three weeks. There was a lot of representation from Muslim groups, but then the chief of their censor, said that the film has nothing objectionable and it should be seen by everybody, same thing with UAE. A lot of people made representations, scrutinised again but all of them are saying this film is about humanity, this film is against terrorism therefore it should be seen by all. But In India, some people who are opposing it without seeing it and calling it Islamophobic are either part of the terror groups or have vicious minds.”

The Kashmir Files is based on the true story of the exodus of Kashmiri Pandits in 1990, during the Kashmir insurgency. The film’s cast includes Mithun Chakraborty, Anupam Kher, Darshan Kumaar, Pallavi Joshi and Chinmay Mandlekar.Live TV

https://www.indiatoday.in/movies/bo...-calling-film-islamophobic-1931834-2022-03-31



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Say what you want about PM Modi, Damn he has brought the Arab nations closer to India than it has ever been, the fact they could be willing to show a movie like Kashmir Files is testament to it.....

 

[Romali_rotti]

Kashmir Files, is going the way Mel Gibson's passion of Christ went..

However at a much lower/smaller scale it seems.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Indians have always maintained that in order for talks to happen on Kashmir, Pakistan must stop all terrorism in Kashmir.

So

One of the first steps to get India to the conversation table would be handing over terrorists Hafeez Saaed and Mazood Azhar..

Yes I do agree this is a pointless exercise as Pakistan wont meet India's demands and vise versa.

Please post me an official stance of India, it is willing to give the vote for self determination?

Once this is official, only then can we anything after even come into the talks.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Babur was a Central Asian King whose entire line identified themselves with Timur. His ultimate goal was to get enough money from India to take back Samarkand. They were also subservient to the Persians and often gave them a lot of money.

The Taj Mahal was one of the biggest money sinks ever. In today's money, it would have cost almost 70 billion USD - the cost of 80 Hoover Dams.

Why should India knock something like that down without trying to get something back in return? The Mughal and the various Sultanates across India heralded the time of India's dark ages in terms of knowledge and literature.

The Taj reminds of that Mughal era of "looting" and that era seems to have hurt your feelings, no?

I say, take it down or turn it into a Mandir. More revenue and more charity and more donations will pour in. A much better stream of passive income if money is all what matters to you.

No wonder Indians are amongst the most unhappiest people on earth ranking at 139 out 149.

 

[Local.Dada]

Please post me an official stance of India, it is willing to give the vote for self determination?

Once this is official, only then can we anything after even come into the talks.

I wouldn’t say official government stance but based on the BJP/RSS. manifesto, they believe in annexing entire Kashmir as part of India. That’s always their ideology.

That’s the simple answer to your question. This is not my personal opinion. You can ask anyone from India be it pro or anti BJP.

Now will they act on that or when will they act on it or if this will move forward that is a different debate. Don’t shoot the messenger but Removing article 370 was always a big agenda item for many years and finally they did that by testing the waters. Increased Modi’s popularity 10 fold as a leader who takes big calls successfully.

 

[Local.Dada]

No wonder Indians are amongst the most unhappiest people on earth ranking at 139 out 149.

Chalo, at least one such survey/ ranking you believe in at least. you can make it 138 now as I am happier after hearing that from you

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

The Taj reminds of that Mughal era of "looting" and that era seems to have hurt your feelings, no?

I say, take it down or turn it into a Mandir. More revenue and more charity and more donations will pour in. A much better stream of passive income if money is all what matters to you.

No wonder Indians are amongst the most unhappiest people on earth ranking at 139 out 149.

Hurt my feelings? Why would it hurt my feelings? I was pointing out that a lot of money was wasted on things like this.

We have to make the most of an expensive building now.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I wouldn’t say official government stance but based on the BJP/RSS. manifesto, they believe in annexing entire Kashmir as part of India. That’s always their ideology.

That’s the simple answer to your question. This is not my personal opinion. You can ask anyone from India be it pro or anti BJP.

Now will they act on that or when will they act on it or if this will move forward that is a different debate. Don’t shoot the messenger but Removing article 370 was always a big agenda item for many years and finally they did that by testing the waters. Increased Modi’s popularity 10 fold as a leader who takes big calls successfully.

lol. Pakistan has held the territory 7 decades. Please explain how they plan on annexation of Azad Kashmir?

India should be open & honest then, wont give Kashmiris their right of self determination. Maybe then all Indias will be on the same page & not confused.

 

[Local.Dada]

lol. Pakistan has held the territory 7 decades. Please explain how they plan on annexation of Azad Kashmir?

India should be open & honest then, wont give Kashmiris their right of self determination. Maybe then all Indias will be on the same page & not confused.

As I said I am not discussing history,military strength or Pak army capabilities here.

I was only answering your question.

Modi govt will never do a plebiscite and seeing his popularity after the whole article 370 removal neither will the opposition mess with that now if tomorrow someone else forms the govt.

That’s all there is. You can come up with 100 scenarios and we can humor each other with theories but it is what it is.

 

[KingKhanWC]

As I said I am not discussing history,military strength or Pak army capabilities here.

I was only answering your question.

Modi govt will never do a plebiscite and seeing his popularity after the whole article 370 removal neither will the opposition mess with that now if tomorrow someone else forms the govt.

That’s all there is. You can come up with 100 scenarios and we can humor each other with theories but it is what it is.

I agree with you, Hindutva Extremists want to continue their abuse and occupation.

Tell your brethren who think India wants to give them the vote.

 

[Local.Dada]

I agree with you, Hindutva Extremists want to continue their abuse and occupation.

Tell your brethren who think India wants to give them the vote.

Sitting in US, it’s none of my business to tell people who they should pick. People will vote for who they think will do the best for them and they gave Modi not one but 2 big mandates: when he was CM of Gujarat for 3 terms, he got 3 huge mandates. Must be doing something right.

Maybe this is the problem, just because someone lives in UK or US doesn’t mean you are smarter than the average person living in SC. People will vote for who they think will do the most for them.

That’s exactly been my point on other threads too,

 

[MenInG]

'The Kashmir Files' Director Alleges 'Undemocratic' Ban By Press Clubs

New Delhi: Turned away by the Foreign Correspondents Club and the Press Club of India, “The Kashmir Files” director Vivek Agnihotri says he has been banned “undemocratically” and will go ahead with a press conference at a five-star hotel on Thursday.
Mr Agnihotri had posted a video on Tuesday alleging his free speech was banned by "the watchdogs of free speech" with FCC cancelling his event and announced he would hold his media interaction at the Press Club instead. When PCI also appeared to backtrack, he followed it up with a tweet on Wednesday slamming the organisation.

The director then said he will have an "open house press conference" and will answer the "toughest questions".

"Inviting all democratic and free speech pro-Truth believers, media people, correspondents, reporters, media activists and those with empathy for Kashmir Genocide victims tomm at 3.30 PM at Le MERIDIEN, New Delhi (sic)," the director said in a WhatsApp message to PTI.

The controversy began with Mr Agnihotri's video on Tuesday, attacking the FCC and alleging that he was "a victim of a hate campaign". He went on to say he would hold an "open house press conference" on the same day at an alternate venue, the PCI.

However, the PCI said on Twitter it is "not facilitating any event on May 5 by any individual or organisation."

"The Club allows press conferences only with advanced booking. There is a due process, and bookings have to be done through a member of the Club," the club said.

In his video, Mr Agnihotri also said the Global Kashmiri Pandit Diaspora had told him the FCC was “very keen” to host him.

"Few days back, Global Kashmiri Pandit Diaspora informed me that the Foreign Correspondents Club in New Delhi was very keen to host me for a press conference as many foreign media wanted to talk to me about 'The Kashmir Files' and the truth of the Kashmiri Hindu genocide," he said.

Accordingly, the press conference was scheduled for 7 pm on May 5 at the FCC. An executive for Zee Studios, the banner behind "The Kashmir Files", also flew to Delhi and made all the arrangements including "the unusual demand to hold cocktails and dinner", Mr Agnihotri said.

"… but to my shock yesterday I received a call from their president saying that event has to be cancelled as some very powerful media has taken strong objection to this conference and have threatened to resign en masse if it is allowed," the filmmaker said.

NDTV

 

[James]

<b>Shashi Tharoor, Vivek Agnihotri-Anupam Kher Spar On 'The Kashmir Files'</b>

<I>Shashi Tharoor posted a statement on Twitter and, without naming Vivek Agnihotri and Anupam Kher, said he tweeted a "factual news item" this morning, with no comment on its contents or the film.</I>

New Delhi: A verbal duel erupted between Shashi Tharoor and 'The Kashmir Files' duo of Vivek Agnihotri-Anupam Kher on Tuesday after the Congress leader tweeted about the movie being banned in Singapore, drawing sharp remarks from the director and the actor who also invoked Mr Tharoor's late wife Sunanda Pushkar's Kashmiri origins to attack him.

Mr Tharoor said "dragging" his late wife Sunanda into the matter was "unwarranted and contemptible".

The whole controversy started when the MP from Thiruvananthapuram shared a news report on Twitter about the ban on the film in Singapore.

"Film promoted by India's ruling party, #KashmirFiles, banned in Singapore," the Congress leader tweeted.

In his reply to Mr Tharoor, Mr Agnihotri called Singapore the "most regressive censor in the world".

"Dear @ShashiTharoor, FYI, Singapore is most regressive censor in the world. It even banned The Last Temptations of Jesus Christ (ask your madam).

"Even a romantic film called #TheLeelaHotelFiles will be banned. Please stop making fun of Kashmiri Hindu Genocide," Mr Agnihotri tweeted, apparently referring to the incident where Sunanda Pushkar was found dead at a Delhi five star hotel in 2014.

After a netizen informed him that Sunanda Pushkar was also a Kashmiri Hindu, the director asked Mr Tharoor to delete his earlier post and "apologise to her soul".

"Hey @ShashiTharoor, Is this true that Late Sunanda Pushkar was a Kashmiri Hindu? Is the enclosed SS true? If yes, then in Hindu tradition, to respect the dead, you must delete your tweet and apologise to her soul," he wrote.

Actor Anupam Kher also joined the debate and slammed Mr Tharoor for his tweet.

"Dear @ShashiTharoor! Your callousness towards #KashmiriHindus genocide is tragic. If nothing else at least for #Sunanda's sake who was a Kashmiri herself, you should show some sensitivity towards #KashmiriPandits & not feel victorious about a country banning #TheKashmirFiles!" he tweeted.

In a cutting retort, Mr Tharoor posted a statement on Twitter and, without naming Mr Agnihotri and Mr Kher, said he tweeted a "factual news item" this morning, with no comment on its contents or the film.

He also said that he has not seen the film.

"At no point did I mock or disparage the sufferings of Kashmiri Pandits, of whose plight I am intimately aware, and to which I have repeatedly drawn attention over the years," Mr Tharoor said.

"Dragging my late wife Sunanda into this matter was unwarranted and contemptible. No one is more aware of her views than I am. I have accompanied her to the destroyed ruins of her ancestral home in Bomai, near Sopore, and joined her in conversations with her Kashmiri neighbours and friends, both Muslim and Hindu.

"One thing I know, unlike those attempting to exploit her when she is not around to speak for herself: She believed in reconciliation, not hate," the Congress leader said.

"The Kashmir Files" has so far collected over ₹ 350 crores at the box office, even though its critics called out the film for its problematic politics and exploitation of the exodus of Kashmiri Pandits in the 90s from the Valley.

The movie also sparked a debate among political parties after several BJP-ruled states, including Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh and Gujarat exempted it from the entertainment tax.

NDTV

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/sha...hmir-files-2963806#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories

 

[MP2011]

These creatures Vivek & Kher are abominable nut-cases for bringing in a dead person just to score a point over Tharoor and that too for a propaganda filled garbage.

Kher especially, such a fine actor he is, has become just a pawn in the hands of sanghis.

 

[MP2011]

So now Singapore is regressive! Whatever next?

 

[MenInG]

SIKAR, India — A group of boys are playing cricket on a snowy field in Kashmir, a war-scarred, Muslim-majority region contested between India and Pakistan.

As the boys play, they’re listening in the background to radio commentary about a professional cricket match between the archrivals India and Pakistan. When one of the boys, a Hindu named Shiva, cheers on the famed Indian cricketer Sachin Tendulkar, he is beaten for doing so, and his abusers force him to chant, “Long live Pakistan, down with Hindustan!”

This opening scene sets the tone for “The Kashmir Files,” a film that has become an unexpected blockbuster, drawing millions of moviegoers across India and the support of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party, or B.J.P.

The film, released in March, is largely set in the late 1980s and the early 1990s when a group of militant Islamists forcibly expelled Kashmiri Pandits, upper-caste Hindus, from the region. It has been seized on by the B.J.P. as a tool to advance its narrative of Hindu persecution in India, at a time of increasing calls for violence against India’s minority Muslims.

Bharatiya Janata Party workers are encouraging members and supporters to attend, the cast and crew are doing photo ops with Mr. Modi and some states governed by the party have been offering tax breaks on ticket sales and days off from work to spur attendance.

“Those who have not watched it must watch the movie to learn how atrocities and terror gripped Kashmir during Congress rule,” said Amit Shah, India’s home minister, referring to one of India’s major political parties and a rival of the B.J.P.

From the late 1980s to the mid-1990s, Kashmir was in the grip of an insurgency led by militants seeking independence or union with neighboring Pakistan. About 65,000 families, mostly Pandits, left the region in the early 1990s, according to a government report.

The region remained restive in the decades that followed, and in 2019, the Modi government stripped Jammu and Kashmir of its long-held semiautonomous status, splitting it into two federal territories administered by New Delhi and deploying a heavy security presence amid a clampdown on free speech.

While the Indian government has insisted that its decision to take away Kashmir’s special status was intended to improve governance there, and to cut down on militancy, the region has experienced unrest and violence, sometimes deadly, since then, with the killings by both militants and security forces.

The film’s critics, including opposition politicians and left-leaning intellectuals and historians, have called it “divisive” and “propaganda,” an attempt to sensationalize the killing of Kashmiri Pandits while avoiding the depiction of any violence against Muslims. In 1990, the peak year of the Pandits’ exodus, hundreds of both Hindus and Muslims were killed by militants.

Critics also say the film has given the B.J.P. ammunition to widen the wedge between Hindus and Muslims.

A.S. Dulat, a former head of India’s intelligence agency and the author of a book on Kashmir, said there was no doubt that Pandits were targeted by Islamist radicals. But he refused to watch the movie, finding its message unhelpful and poorly timed.

“This movie is made to unnecessarily polarize the nation, and Kashmir can do without it,” he said.

Many on the political right say that dismissing the film is tantamount to shooting the messenger.

“This movie is special because before now, the actual cruelty suffered by Kashmiri Pandits had never been told in this unadulterated manner,” said Gaurav Tiwari, a Bharatiya Janata Party member who has arranged free tickets for moviegoers.

Mohit Bhan, a Pandit whose ancestral home was burned during the expulsion in 1993, said many in his community saw the film as a long-overdue exploration of the period.

“Now that the Pandits have come to believe that justice is hard to come by at the hands of successive governments, they think this movie is it,” said Mr. Bhan, whose party, the People’s Democratic Party, led Jammu and Kashmir in an alliance with Mr. Modi’s B.J.P. before the state was changed into a federal territory.

While the response to the film has been deeply divided along political and sectarian lines, its commercial success is beyond dispute: Despite having no song-and-dance numbers — a staple feature of Bollywood movies — “The Kashmir Files” was an instant hit, grossing more than $40 million so far, making it one of the top earners this year. It cost about $2 million to make.

Sandeep Yadav, a businessman in his early 30s, was waiting to watch the movie on a recent Sunday at a mall in Sikar, a quiet farm town in the Indian state of Rajasthan.

Mr. Yadav said that he had previously learned about what happened to the Pandits on television, and that he rarely went to the movies, relying instead on his cellphone for a daily dose of entertainment.

But this movie was a special occasion, he said before the screening at a theater which had completely sold out for “The Kashmir Files” in the first few weeks of its release.

“I had heard that Pandits were driven out from their homes in the middle of the night,” he said. “I was curious about the topic and wanted to watch this movie, especially for that.”

Vivek Ranjan Agnihotri, the director, said he made “The Kashmir Files” after taking close to 700 video testimonies from people who had directly suffered during that period. He declined to say how many of those were Hindus or Muslims.

In an interview, Mr. Agnihotri said his goal with the film was to expose what he called the “genocide” inflicted on Pandits and his contention that leftist-leaning academics, intellectuals and writers were complicit in covering up that history.

“All I am saying is acknowledge that genocide happened so that nobody repeats it against Hindus or Muslims or Buddhists or Christians,” he said.

In both a 2018 book and in interviews, Mr. Agnihotri has railed against left-wing student activists and intellectuals for supporting the Naxalite-Maoist insurgency in India, calling these so-called urban Naxalites “worse than terrorists.” He has also voiced his support for Yogi Adityanath, the firebrand Hindu monk who recently won re-election as the chief minister of India’s most populous state.

Some of Bollywood’s elite have praised the film. Ram Gopal Varma, a director and producer, posted on Twitter that it “will inspire a new breed of revolutionary film makers.”

But some of the film’s critics have disparaged the movie for having more violence than nuance.

In one scene, an aging teacher, played by the acclaimed Bollywood actor Anupam Kher, is forced to leave his home with his daughter-in-law and two grandchildren after his Muslim student-turned-militant shoots his son. His daughter-in-law is forced to eat rice mixed with her husband’s blood and then, in a later scene, she is sawed to death by militants.

In Sikar, the moviegoers sat stunned by the movie’s final scene, which critics say essentially ensures that audiences exit enraged.

In it, terrorists storm a Pandit refugee camp camouflaged in Indian Army uniforms, then line up refugees and shoot them dead at point-blank range.

In the theater, Mr. Yadav moved to the edge of his seat as bodies slumped over onscreen. He winced when the last refugee, the young boy, Shiva, is fatally shot.

“This movie makes me so very angry,” he said after the screening. “This is what will stay with me,” he added, “the pain of the Hindu Pandits and the gruesomeness of the Muslim terrorists.”

While the movie has been widely seen across India, it hasn’t been screened in the Kashmir Valley, where theaters have been shuttered since the 1990s, so Kashmiris haven’t been able to assess it themselves. Just this month it was added to a streaming service that will enable some Kashmiris to view it.

Mohammad Ayub Chapri, a taxi driver in Srinagar, Kashmir’s largest city, said that while he had not been able to see the film, he had gathered through social media that it cast his community in a negative light.

“It makes me sad to know this,” Mr. Chapri said. “We Muslims have shared meals with the Pandits, eating from the same plate. Even Muslims were killed by the radicals, but the movie seems to paint all Muslims here with the same brush.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/26/world/asia/india-film-kashmir-files.html