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NEW DELHI: The conditions in which the people of Kashmir are living are unsustainable and must be improved, German Chancellor Angela Merkel told reporters accompanying her on a trip to New Delhi where she is holding talks with Prime Minister Narendra Modi.


She said she would raise the matter with PM Modi later on Friday evening, adding that while she was aware of India's position regarding Kashmir, she wanted to hear the PM plans for restoring calm to the region.

"The situation for the people there is currently not sustainable and must improve," Ms Merkel said.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/kas...ble-says-angela-merkel-on-india-visit-2126000
 
NEW DELHI: The conditions in which the people of Kashmir are living are unsustainable and must be improved, German Chancellor Angela Merkel told reporters accompanying her on a trip to New Delhi where she is holding talks with Prime Minister Narendra Modi.


She said she would raise the matter with PM Modi later on Friday evening, adding that while she was aware of India's position regarding Kashmir, she wanted to hear the PM plans for restoring calm to the region.

"The situation for the people there is currently not sustainable and must improve," Ms Merkel said.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/kas...ble-says-angela-merkel-on-india-visit-2126000

Modi's reply will be that the abrogation of Article 370 will lead to economic development and an improvement in the condition of the people.
 
Modi's reply will be that the abrogation of Article 370 will lead to economic development and an improvement in the condition of the people.

Germany and other western nations will not allow themselves to support such abuses of human rights, it will damage their own standing. India needs to wake up and realise its influence is nowhere near Modi dreamt of while serving tea.
 
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Germany and other western nations will not allow themselves to support such abuses of human rights, it will damage their own standing. India needs to wake up and realise its influence is nowhere near Modi dreamt of while serving tea.

Dude, wake up and smell the coffee. Germany has about zero leverage over India. At most it can yap and pay an economic price. That is why other than the Swedish FM, no European said anything about Kashmir, and she was history soon afterwards.

Given a choice between believing that the Indians are saying, and what the Pakistanis are saying, I would say that Western nations tend to believe Indians more, by about a 79% to 6% margin according to a Pew Research survey.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/23/few-americans-trust-pakistan/
 
Dude, wake up and smell the coffee. Germany has about zero leverage over India. At most it can yap and pay an economic price. That is why other than the Swedish FM, no European said anything about Kashmir, and she was history soon afterwards.

Given a choice between believing that the Indians are saying, and what the Pakistanis are saying, I would say that Western nations tend to believe Indians more, by about a 79% to 6% margin according to a Pew Research survey.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/23/few-americans-trust-pakistan/

This has nothing to do with the topic or what I wrote.

Germany like many others do not take Modis 'great new development and happiness of Kashmiris' seriously. Everyone knows its' a lie. Not suggested anyone can change the Hindutva extremist policies in Kashmir but they wont tow his line either, so much for an internal matter.
 
This has nothing to do with the topic or what I wrote.

Germany like many others do not take Modis 'great new development and happiness of Kashmiris' seriously. Everyone knows its' a lie. Not suggested anyone can change the Hindutva extremist policies in Kashmir but they wont tow his line either, so much for an internal matter.

I don't think he has read the OP properly. Modi is meeting Merkel on trade. Germany have leverage over India.
 
I don't think he has read the OP properly. Modi is meeting Merkel on trade. Germany have leverage over India.

The problem is any sane leader would consider this seriously but it's Modi. He doesnt care if his country goes backwards as long as his Hindu nationalism prevails! Dehli is being named the 'gas chamber' with toxic pollution forcing schools to close and millions of children to wear masks but BJP/RSS are prob watching videos of kids being tortured by Indian security services in Kashmir.
 
The problem is any sane leader would consider this seriously but it's Modi. He doesnt care if his country goes backwards as long as his Hindu nationalism prevails! Dehli is being named the 'gas chamber' with toxic pollution forcing schools to close and millions of children to wear masks but BJP/RSS are prob watching videos of kids being tortured by Indian security services in Kashmir.

Exactly. In about 5 years time, India will be praying for their equivalent of Imran Khan and then work on repairing the damage caused by Modi and his government. Kapil Dev for India PM?
 
Exactly. In about 5 years time, India will be praying for their equivalent of Imran Khan and then work on repairing the damage caused by Modi and his government. Kapil Dev for India PM?

They'd be lucky if this happens! Imho I think India is on the road to future communal religous violence, its a ticking time bomb with extermist Hindus in power. It will all depend on the 'average' Hindu, if he/she wakes up or doesnt care as long as Hindus are in power and Muslims are being taught a lesson. In Europe if lives become harder, they make a change. In India they will accept harder lives as long as their religous heros are in control, some sort of weird historical insecurity.
 
They'd be lucky if this happens! Imho I think India is on the road to future communal religous violence, its a ticking time bomb with extermist Hindus in power. It will all depend on the 'average' Hindu, if he/she wakes up or doesnt care as long as Hindus are in power and Muslims are being taught a lesson. In Europe if lives become harder, they make a change. In India they will accept harder lives as long as their religous heros are in control, some sort of weird historical insecurity.

To add to that India's economy is slowing down hence people getting poorer. I agree, there will be an uprising soon in India and it will be the result of a combination of economic, social, and religious beams.

This is why Modi is now appealing to other nations; he is trying to prop up the economy.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Not sustainable and not good": German Chancellor Angela Merkel criticized New Delhi's clampdown in Kashmir during her visit to India. <a href="https://t.co/NeaYtWWuTG">pic.twitter.com/NeaYtWWuTG</a></p>— DW News (@dwnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1190320243203301377?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Maybe Modi can give Merkel a "ladoo" to go with the 2 "Starbursts" his friend Trump gave her.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...p-tossed-candy-to-merkel-during-g-7-said-dont
 
They'd be lucky if this happens! Imho I think India is on the road to future communal religous violence, its a ticking time bomb with extermist Hindus in power. It will all depend on the 'average' Hindu, if he/she wakes up or doesnt care as long as Hindus are in power and Muslims are being taught a lesson. In Europe if lives become harder, they make a change. In India they will accept harder lives as long as their religous heros are in control, some sort of weird historical insecurity.

Na when train compartments having hindus burnt by mob and then when riots started in gujrat in 2002. It was that day and it is today, never ever violence riot took place there after. Modi was in power for many years in gujrat.
Modi has been in power for around 6-7 yrs and still not much religious riots. It won't happen till the time modi is there. Trust me. If anything which can take away leadership from modi then it would be economy if it doesn't do well consistently.

Rest nobody takes Pakistan opinions serious in this world,and surely not India.
 
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Na when train compartments having hindus burnt by mob and then when riots started in gujrat in 2002. It was that day and it is today, never ever violence riot took place there after. Modi was in power for many years in gujrat.
Modi has been in power for around 6-7 yrs and still not much religious riots. It won't happen till the time modi is there. Trust me. If anything which can take away leadership from modi then it would be economy if it doesn't do well consistently.

Rest nobody takes Pakistan opinions serious in this world,and surely not India.

lol, Modi instigated and poured fuel on on the Gujrat riots, which is why he was banned from entering various nations.

Muslims are being attacked daily, it's increasing under the Hindutva extremist government.

You take our opinions seriously otherwise you wouldn't be wasting your time on here. Stop making a fool of yourself with such comments while posting on here.
 
lol, Modi instigated and poured fuel on on the Gujrat riots, which is why he was banned from entering various nations.

Muslims are being attacked daily, it's increasing under the Hindutva extremist government.

You take our opinions seriously otherwise you wouldn't be wasting your time on here. Stop making a fool of yourself with such comments while posting on here.

Your opinion won't change facts.
 
Your opinion won't change facts.

All those who think that the Indian economy is going "backwards" are delusional. In 5 years of Modi, India's Ease of Doing Business ranking has improved to 63 from 142. EODB is a good metric for measuring if the government is doing the right things to make the economy grow.

Also, growth for the coming year is supposed to be around 6%, as a result of a <b>cyclical slowdown</b>. Economies go through cycles and growth is supposed recover in the next two years according to the WB.

A few days earlier, the World Bank, on Oct. 13, had cut India’s GDP growth for 2019-20 to 6% in its latest South Asia Economic Focus report. “India’s cyclical slowdown is severe,” the report states. It also projected 6.9% as the growth rate for 2020-21, and 7.2% for 2021-22.

https://qz.com/india/1730109/imf-world-bank-moodys-sp-fitch-cut-indias-growth-forecasts/

If the WB said growth rate would fall to 2.4%, then I would be worried.

https://www.worldbank.org/en/country/pakistan/overview
 
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Dude, wake up and smell the coffee. Germany has about zero leverage over India. At most it can yap and pay an economic price. That is why other than the Swedish FM, no European said anything about Kashmir, and she was history soon afterwards.

Given a choice between believing that the Indians are saying, and what the Pakistanis are saying, I would say that Western nations tend to believe Indians more, by about a 79% to 6% margin according to a Pew Research survey.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/23/few-americans-trust-pakistan/

This poll is about the US public’s opinions and not representative of the west. But I would probably agree that India is more trusted than Pakistan.

Germany though isn’t exactly a weak nation. It’s one of the biggest exporters on the planet, especially high tech. India may be good at software but it’s **** at hardware and has not much of an industry for it. Most likely nothing will happen as it’s all talk but to say it will pay an economic price is ridiculous. India will pay just as much of an economic price, if not more, if something does come out of this issue (though it’s not an issue).
 
This poll is about the US public’s opinions and not representative of the west. But I would probably agree that India is more trusted than Pakistan.

Germany though isn’t exactly a weak nation. It’s one of the biggest exporters on the planet, especially high tech. India may be good at software but it’s **** at hardware and has not much of an industry for it. Most likely nothing will happen as it’s all talk but to say it will pay an economic price is ridiculous. India will pay just as much of an economic price, if not more, if something does come out of this issue (though it’s not an issue).

It won’t be an issue because India can’t flex its muscle, India despite having strong economy has no flexibility against country like Germany.

What’s funny, instead of commenting on the content most Indians wants to know how to punish anyone who spread facts regarding Kashmir.
 
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This poll is about the US public’s opinions and not representative of the west. But I would probably agree that India is more trusted than Pakistan.

Actually the 79% to 6% is for "experts" in the Government, which are probably Foreign Service professionals and others in the government who deal with South Asia. For retired military it is 82% to 2%.

Germany though isn’t exactly a weak nation. It’s one of the biggest exporters on the planet, especially high tech. India may be good at software but it’s **** at hardware and has not much of an industry for it. Most likely nothing will happen as it’s all talk but to say it will pay an economic price is ridiculous. India will pay just as much of an economic price, if not more, if something does come out of this issue (though it’s not an issue).

Probably, my saying Germany will pay an economic price was a bit of an exaggeration. There is no big contracts (like the Rafaels for France) in the pipeline for Germany. Conversely Germany has limited economic influence over India. India's biggest exports are software, and the Germans are well aware that they have fallen far behind in software where it is pretty much SAP and SAP only.

Even in software India probably has more leverage over Germany instead of vice-versa. The second biggest SAP Lab is in India, and if India booted SAP then it would not be able to compete against Oracle, IBM, and MS which have major development centers in India.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...eers-in-next-2-years/articleshow/58293335.cms

Most likely neither India nor Germany will take any economic measures against each other. Merkel may make a few noises (mindful of the Turkish vote in Germany) but at the end of the day Kashmir isn't big enough for her to inflict and accept real economic damage.
 
This poll is about the US public’s opinions and not representative of the west. But I would probably agree that India is more trusted than Pakistan.

Also Germany's main exports are (most likely)autos, and India is currently the 6th largest auto market. It will probably be the 3rd largest auto market in 10 to 15 years (currently #3 Japan's number of cars sold is about 35% more than India's).

https://www.cnbc.com/2011/09/12/Worlds-10-Largest-Auto-Markets.html

Does Germany want India to lock out VW, Merc and BMW? Probably not.

Can Indians live without VW, Merc and BMW? Probably yes, given that there are American, Japanese, Korean, French etc. cars as options.

Modi should give Merkel 2 ladoos so that she won't say she got nothing from him, or he gave her less than Trump did.
 
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Germany didn’t give a crap about America and openly criticized US when US has a president who get triggered by anything and these RSS supporters believe they can hurt Germany.

What are on they about?

India isn’t banning anything from Germany, nothing.

Go back to watching RSS videos.
 
[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] He spoke the right thing?? so why such big stories.We know nothing will happen but someone speaking truth is good to hear at least for me.
 
Germany didn’t give a crap about America and openly criticized US when US has a president who get triggered by anything and these RSS supporters believe they can hurt Germany.

What are on they about?

India isn’t banning anything from Germany, nothing.

Go back to watching RSS videos.

:inti:ssmith
 
Also Germany's main exports are (most likely)autos, and India is currently the 6th largest auto market. It will probably be the 3rd largest auto market in 10 to 15 years (currently #3 Japan's number of cars sold is about 35% more than India's).

https://www.cnbc.com/2011/09/12/Worlds-10-Largest-Auto-Markets.html

Does Germany want India to lock out VW, Merc and BMW? Probably not.

Can Indians live without VW, Merc and BMW? Probably yes, given that there are American, Japanese, Korean, French etc. cars as options.

Modi should give Merkel 2 ladoos so that she won't say she got nothing from him, or he gave her less than Trump did.

Seems like I used a dated article, India is already up to #4 from #6 in the last 7 years.

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201808/13/WS5b70bac4a310add14f385474_7.html

Should overtake Japan to become the 3rd largest car market in about 5 to 10 years.

The point is also that the Europeans are mostly comfortable with India's position in Kashmir. The Kashmiris have democratic rights similar to other Indians. Europe itself has regions like Catalonia which want to separate and are being kept by force. I don't see any real action being taken by Europeans against Indians except for a few words here and there.
 
[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] He spoke the right thing?? so why such big stories.We know nothing will happen but someone speaking truth is good to hear at least for me.

Western mainstream media is mostly (the liberals part) against India, however the governments are mostly with India, or not terribly opposed.
 

This is how it goes.

If you drop a link then you take u yourself as an expert.

If that don’t work then divert.

So far all I’ve seen is diversion in how India import so much from the rest of the world while ignoring the content of this thread which is India won’t do crap and Germany knows India won’t do crap.

A typical diversion from what is truth and facts spoken by German Chancellor.
 
I want to know what is Modi's game plan.... surely he is not dumb enough to think that he can have Kashmiris under curfew indefinitely.
 
Germany didn’t give a crap about America and openly criticized US when US has a president who get triggered by anything and these RSS supporters believe they can hurt Germany.

What are on they about?

India isn’t banning anything from Germany, nothing.

Go back to watching RSS videos.

Germany only has till 1st Jan 2020, then supa powa India will put them in their place. Germans will be flocking to India for a better chance at life. India will ban work permits for Germans and this will cause the German government to tow the Indian line.
 
Western mainstream media is mostly (the liberals part) against India, however the governments are mostly with India, or not terribly opposed.

I am not in to these stories.I am saying what she said was truth and yes it was whatever you say.Thats it.
 
I am not in to these stories.I am saying what she said was truth and yes it was whatever you say.Thats it.

Part of what she says is the truth. Many Kashmiris want to leave India, and it is the Indian armed forces who are using force to keep Kashmir in India.

But it is also true that:
1) Kashmiris like the Pandits who did not want to leave India were killed and driven out of Kashmir.
2) Kashmiris have the right to elect their representatives to the Parliament.
3) If Kashmir was to join Pakistan, its people would see a real reduction in their democratic rights, though they may not care about that in the moment.

It's an issue with good arguments on both sides.
 
lol, Modi instigated and poured fuel on on the Gujrat riots, which is why he was banned from entering various nations.

Muslims are being attacked daily, it's increasing under the Hindutva extremist government.

You take our opinions seriously otherwise you wouldn't be wasting your time on here. Stop making a fool of yourself with such comments while posting on here.

Modi is welcomed with a red carpet by various nations.

Hindu muslim clashes have been happening in India all the time. Nothing new.

Your opinion means zilch. When we go to the nukkad paanwala in India lot of people are there and we gossip on all matters. Its entertaining. Not important.
 
A usual reply by majority of RSS supporters because that’s all they have left to defend whenever they are criticized by any government for India’s atrocities by Indian army in Kashmir and political rhetoric against minorities by Indian ruling party.

“ India’s economy”.

Now back to what Chancellor said, she has spoken the truth and facts.

India will not be able to sustain the way things are for long.
 
Seems like I used a dated article, India is already up to #4 from #6 in the last 7 years.

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201808/13/WS5b70bac4a310add14f385474_7.html

Should overtake Japan to become the 3rd largest car market in about 5 to 10 years.

The point is also that the Europeans are mostly comfortable with India's position in Kashmir. The Kashmiris have democratic rights similar to other Indians. Europe itself has regions like Catalonia which want to separate and are being kept by force. I don't see any real action being taken by Europeans against Indians except for a few words here and there.

I doubt they are OK with what’s happening in Kashmir, but won’t do anything other than grumble. But trust me, the Germans are able to take a hit. They are doing it with Brexit by letting the U.K. go. They know it will impact them but they also know it will hit the U.K. Same thing would happen with India. Kashmir isn’t an issue and the Germans are too pragmatic to do anything but if India was threatening the Germans to the extent Trump was with the tariff issue or something equal to that....the Germans aren’t going to take it on the chin and whilst it may impact them, it will also impact India. Don’t think the game is one sided. However, Kashmir is an internal Indian issue and whilst your Government and military has handled it horribly and has made a mess of it, Germany isn’t going to do anything.
 
A usual reply by majority of RSS supporters because that’s all they have left to defend whenever they are criticized by any government for India’s atrocities by Indian army in Kashmir and political rhetoric against minorities by Indian ruling party.

“ India’s economy”.

Now back to what Chancellor said, she has spoken the truth and facts.

India will not be able to sustain the way things are for long.

German economy was bigger than India's or as big last I knew.
 
I doubt they are OK with what’s happening in Kashmir, but won’t do anything other than grumble. But trust me, the Germans are able to take a hit. They are doing it with Brexit by letting the U.K. go. They know it will impact them but they also know it will hit the U.K. Same thing would happen with India. Kashmir isn’t an issue and the Germans are too pragmatic to do anything but if India was threatening the Germans to the extent Trump was with the tariff issue or something equal to that....the Germans aren’t going to take it on the chin and whilst it may impact them, it will also impact India. Don’t think the game is one sided. However, Kashmir is an internal Indian issue and whilst your Government and military has handled it horribly and has made a mess of it, Germany isn’t going to do anything.

Quite honestly I don't have any respect for Germany in its current wretched state. They never got over the guilt heaped on them for Hitler. They are a nation in absolute demographic decline. They have a pathetic and timid national policy and I find them so uninteresting in their current state that I don't pay any attention to them. Their popular culture is more consumption, style and liberal utterances. Some point in the future they may shake off their timidity and depression and become relevant again, but right now the German people (who are being replaced by immigrants) are just circling the drain on their way to extinction.
 
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This poll is about the US public’s opinions and not representative of the west. But I would probably agree that India is more trusted than Pakistan.

Germany though isn’t exactly a weak nation. It’s one of the biggest exporters on the planet, especially high tech. India may be good at software but it’s **** at hardware and has not much of an industry for it. Most likely nothing will happen as it’s all talk but to say it will pay an economic price is ridiculous. India will pay just as much of an economic price, if not more, if something does come out of this issue (though it’s not an issue).

Her opinion is not on abrogation of article 370. Its more on the communication blockade.

What did Merkel do? Give the cliched answer and then signs the trade deal with India and then she will fly back home.

This is world politics and diplomacy. You make statements and then you act as per your national interest.
 
I doubt they are OK with what’s happening in Kashmir, but won’t do anything other than grumble. But trust me, the Germans are able to take a hit. They are doing it with Brexit by letting the U.K. go. They know it will impact them but they also know it will hit the U.K. Same thing would happen with India. Kashmir isn’t an issue and the Germans are too pragmatic to do anything but if India was threatening the Germans to the extent Trump was with the tariff issue or something equal to that....the Germans aren’t going to take it on the chin and whilst it may impact them, it will also impact India. Don’t think the game is one sided. However, Kashmir is an internal Indian issue and whilst your Government and military has handled it horribly and has made a mess of it, Germany isn’t going to do anything.

No one is going to do anything. No one is going to support a armed separatist terrorists movement.

Heck they jailed the leaders of Catalonia for a peaceful referendum.

Every country will act as per its own interests. And if you have a big economy plus army plus nukes, well no one will bother you except the odd statements.

Infact EU has been more vocal on Chinese in Hongkong.
 
No one is going to do anything. No one is going to support a armed separatist terrorists movement.

Heck they jailed the leaders of Catalonia for a peaceful referendum.

Every country will act as per its own interests. And if you have a big economy plus army plus nukes, well no one will bother you except the odd statements.

Infact EU has been more vocal on Chinese in Hongkong.

Btw, you are very quick at categorising everything using the words terrorism. You don’t think people in Kashmir have genuine grievances. You think maybe your own Government is to blame on how they have handled Kashmir? I seriously doubt people who paint a complete one sided picture. They have zero credibility.
 
The Indian government should hire you as its mouth piece. You’d most likely do a better job than they are doing now.
 
Modi is welcomed with a red carpet by various nations.

Hindu muslim clashes have been happening in India all the time. Nothing new.

Your opinion means zilch. When we go to the nukkad paanwala in India lot of people are there and we gossip on all matters. Its entertaining. Not important.

Becuase he is PM of India. lol

You aint seen nothing yet, the Hindu extremists who you support blindly will turn your nation into a state of hate. Keep watching.

As for my opinion, its on a Pakistani forum. I dont waste a single second giving it on an Indian forum. If I dont speak to an Indian ever again, I will be happy. Your opinion and trolling on here means nothing apart from great comedy, so please do continue.
 
Again no ****.

Btw, you are very quick at categorising everything using the words terrorism. You don’t think people in Kashmir have genuine grievances. You think maybe your own Government is to blame on how they have handled Kashmir? I seriously doubt people who paint a complete one sided picture. They have zero credibility.

Can you tell me what prompted these people to pick up arms, kill and expel the hindu pandit community?

This started in 1989.

From 1949 till 1980s was there army in civilian places? Was there AFSPA before 1990?

The success of jihadis in Afghanistan made some people believe they will do the same in India.

Its accepted by pakistan that they funded armed and trained these terrorist groups. They had hoped for a similar result. Only here there was no CIA helping them and Kashmiris were not as overwhelming in support as they hoped.

Remember except the valley, there is little support of separatism. Places like Ladakh Jammu eyc have almost no support for these terrorist and separatist s.

When army is deployed in civilian areas, by any country, there are human Rights issues. Has happened with all the countries. India is no exception.
But Army can only be withdrawn when armed terrorism stops.
 
India has taken action against the army in certain cases of human rights abuse. More needs to be done though.
 
From what I am seeing Modi just doesn't know what to do now. He can't lift the curfew without their being a massive reaction from Kashmiris.
 
How can Indian leaders/media expect a German chancellor to lie for them. Germans cannot be a party to it. Obviously she told the truth. Communication ban and internet ban are not sustainable. People should be allowed to protest peacefully ..even if you don't reverse your decision to abrogate the 370 article. At least let people vent out their anger
 
I want to know what is Modi's game plan.... surely he is not dumb enough to think that he can have Kashmiris under curfew indefinitely.

Guess what he seems to show each passing day that he is that dumb.He has failed on every front to cover his lies and had to bring far right people to support his arguments of people being happy and no restrictions.Even that was a PR disaster.Only his domestic audience is lapping everything he says
 
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How can Indian leaders/media expect a German chancellor to lie for them. Germans cannot be a party to it. Obviously she told the truth. Communication ban and internet ban are not sustainable. People should be allowed to protest peacefully ..even if you don't reverse your decision to abrogate the 370 article. At least let people vent out their anger

I don't think the government is afraid of peaceful protests. They want to avoid stone throwing, cars and shops being set on fire, policemen being attacked and firing back with civilian casualties etc.

It's going to be winter soon. My guess is the government will relax the curfew when it is cold so that people do not remain outside for extended periods of time.
 
Finally someone speaks common sense and hits the nail on the head - it’s about time India realises this situation in Kashmir is not good and unsustainable, and needs resolution - get off the high horse and accept that there are three parties to this dispute, India, Pak and the Kashmiri people and any settlement needs to have all three on board to achieve peace. Yes it’s not an easy problem to solve, but acknowledging all the stakeholders for peace is the first step.

You can repeat it’s our own internal matter a million times but that does not make a lie become truth.
 
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Finally someone speaks common sense and hits the nail on the head - it’s about time India realises this situation in Kashmir is not good and unsustainable, and needs resolution - get off the high horse and accept that there are three parties to this dispute, India, Pak and the Kashmiri people and any settlement needs to have all three on board to achieve peace. Yes it’s not an easy problem to solve, but acknowledging all the stakeholders for peace is the first step.

You can repeat it’s our own internal matter a million times but that does not make a lie become truth.

The problem is that Pakistan cannot do anything about the status quo, so India is under no duress to acknowledge Pakistan as a stakeholder.

As far as other countries are concerned, they are not going to act on their tough talk because of trade and business with and in India.

Unless the Indian economy collapses, which won’t happen, there is no chance that J&K will be granted independence.

What India is doing in Kashmir is immoral but not illegal, and politics has never been about morality.

In the long-term, it is Pakistan that will have to swallow it’s pride and withdraw troops from the LoC. The Kashmir issue has been nothing but a burden on our economy. Our Kashmir policy has failed because in 72 years, we haven’t been able to grab an inch of the land.

Unfortunately, this will not happen as long as the military remains the central power in the country. Pakistan as a country will benefit a lot from friendly relations with India, but the military of Pakistan won’t.
 
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] buddy isnt that what you guys in bollywood call 'ghar mein ghuss kei marna'. Merkel has humiliated Supa powa 2020 right at its home ground.
 
The problem is that Pakistan cannot do anything about the status quo, so India is under no duress to acknowledge Pakistan as a stakeholder.

As far as other countries are concerned, they are not going to act on their tough talk because of trade and business with and in India.

Unless the Indian economy collapses, which won’t happen, there is no chance that J&K will be granted independence.

What India is doing in Kashmir is immoral but not illegal, and politics has never been about morality.

In the long-term, it is Pakistan that will have to swallow it’s pride and withdraw troops from the LoC. The Kashmir issue has been nothing but a burden on our economy. Our Kashmir policy has failed because in 72 years, we haven’t been able to grab an inch of the land.

Unfortunately, this will not happen as long as the military remains the central power in the country. Pakistan as a country will benefit a lot from friendly relations with India, but the military of Pakistan won’t.

But IK is Messiah and claim to be Prophet by some of his critics, lol never ending entertainment. LOL

Killing thousands and denying their basic rights have always been consider illegal.

Your comments are getting dumber.
 
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But IK is Messiah and claim to be Prophet by some of his critics, lol never ending entertainment. LOL

Killing thousands and denying their basic rights have always been consider illegal.

Your comments are getting dumber.

Don’t project Imran’s Messiah complex onto his ‘critics’ who can see through his act. He was the one to claim that he would end the status quo and the typical politics, a claim that was backed and supported by his followers.

However, he has failed to walk the talk and proved that he is no different than the rest. His supporters who put him on a pedestal now defend him by stating that he is not doing anything different than the others.

That is the point - he is not doing anything different because he is not different. He is a power-hungry hypocrite who fooled the masses with his tabdeeli drama.

As far as India is concerned, I was talking about the legality of revoking article 370. Also, denying basic rights is not illegal. No country is under any obligation to respect a separatist movement within its borders.

Our atrocities in East Pakistan as well as Balochistan and FATA religion were/are not illegal either, but they have brought our hypocrisy to fore and ensured that our moral stance on Kashmir has no credibility.
 
Don’t project Imran’s Messiah complex onto his ‘critics’ who can see through his act. He was the one to claim that he would end the status quo and the typical politics, a claim that was backed and supported by his followers.

However, he has failed to walk the talk and proved that he is no different than the rest. His supporters who put him on a pedestal now defend him by stating that he is not doing anything different than the others.

That is the point - he is not doing anything different because he is not different. He is a power-hungry hypocrite who fooled the masses with his tabdeeli drama.

As far as India is concerned, I was talking about the legality of revoking article 370. Also, denying basic rights is not illegal. No country is under any obligation to respect a separatist movement within its borders.

Our atrocities in East Pakistan as well as Balochistan and FATA religion were/are not illegal either, but they have brought our hypocrisy to fore and ensured that our moral stance on Kashmir has no credibility.

Let’s establish this first, you aren’t his critics, you criticize him for the sake of criticism.

And you believed everything he said? He is a politician, no politician has ever been able to full full every promise made on during campaign, thought you were more in tune with reality?

Everyone is hypocrite, let’s try this as an example, you claim to be liberal, a person who believe in all inclusiveness, critics of Islam, while supporting someone who does not believe in female inclusion in politics, it’s is just one example.

East Pakistan doesn’t exist anymore, it is Bangladesh, I wasn’t born during that time, it’s 2019, and just because what in 70’s doesn’t mean no one should speak or support those who want freedom. Rather stupid and desperate attempt and over played, come up with new strategy.

Comparing Baluchistan to Kashmir is showing your desperation because it isn’t the same because almost every country has separatist but when vast majority of the people want independence and the occupying country need over a million soldiers and continuous lockdown then that is different but you won’t see that because it doesn’t morphed in to your character that you’ve build here.

FATF, lol, so now you’re supporting terrorist because it can help you criticize the state of Pakistan and Pakistani?

Let me tell you something, IK will complete the term. You can take that to bank.
 
Let’s establish this first, you aren’t his critics, you criticize him for the sake of criticism.

And you believed everything he said? He is a politician, no politician has ever been able to full full every promise made on during campaign, thought you were more in tune with reality?

Everyone is hypocrite, let’s try this as an example, you claim to be liberal, a person who believe in all inclusiveness, critics of Islam, while supporting someone who does not believe in female inclusion in politics, it’s is just one example.

East Pakistan doesn’t exist anymore, it is Bangladesh, I wasn’t born during that time, it’s 2019, and just because what in 70’s doesn’t mean no one should speak or support those who want freedom. Rather stupid and desperate attempt and over played, come up with new strategy.

Comparing Baluchistan to Kashmir is showing your desperation because it isn’t the same because almost every country has separatist but when vast majority of the people want independence and the occupying country need over a million soldiers and continuous lockdown then that is different but you won’t see that because it doesn’t morphed in to your character that you’ve build here.

FATF, lol, so now you’re supporting terrorist because it can help you criticize the state of Pakistan and Pakistani?

Let me tell you something, IK will complete the term. You can take that to bank.

I don’t criticize him for the sake of criticism. I supported him till 2014 before I realized that the only thing he cares about is becoming the PM, and he would go to any lengths to achieve his goal.

He is not a revolutionary or a reformer; he is a power hungry narcissist who has abused his popularly and misled the nation.

I didn’t believe what he said once he started to welcome crooks and frauds in his party in order to take advantage of their vote banks.

However, his supporters claimed that he is different and he is not the one to make false promises. So why shouldn’t he be judged to a different standard?

If you don’t want someone to be judged to a different standard, why put him on a pedestal in the first place. If he is not different, what is this tabdeeli drama about?

I am not supporting Fazl-ur-Rahman or his cause. I don’t believe that Imran is a Jewish agent. What I do believe is that he deserves a taste of his own medicine and the opposition have the right to create chaos just like he did.

This is what people warned him against. He set the precedence for dharnas and it was always going to backfire eventually.

There is no difference between Balochistan and Kashmir on principle. The only difference is in the magnitude. We have refused to give the people of Balochistan their due right, we have committed human rights violations and we have exploited their resources.

The magnitude is different because it is a very poor province and it’s separatist movement is not very strong. If it strengthens, so will our oppression.

As far as East Pakistan is concerned, it doesn’t matter if you weren’t born when Pakistani soldiers were killing civilians and raping Bengali women.

It is not about you, it is about our state policy. We have committed a genocide in East Pakistan and it was far worse than what India is doing in J&K. Our history of human rights violations makes our stance on J&K extremely hypocritical.

What do you mean by support terrorism? Do you think everyone in FATA is a terrorist?

Our military have treated the people of FATA like animals. Pervez Musharraf allowed the U.S. to conduct drone strikes in the region in exchange for military equipment.

The discriminatory FCR laws imposed by the British in 1901 were enforced until the PMLN government decided to introduce reforms much to the displeasure of the military.

All of these are human rights violations that we attempt to whitewash and justify.

Imran may as well complete his term, but if things continue the way they are, one shudders to think what the state of the country would be 4 years from now.
 
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