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Khaleel Ahmed vs Shaheen Shah Afridi

Khaleel's better.

But.. the question is, in the long runn, will he remain good or rather improve to become world class?

Difference in bowling culture here..

But right now, Khaleel >> Afridi.
 
Shaheen shah has played against Australia while Khaleel against Hong Kong . Australia is slightly better than HK so advantage to Shaheen Shah
 
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Hawkeye said:
Khaleel's better.

But.. the question is, in the long runn, will he remain good or rather improve to become world class?

Difference in bowling culture here..

But right now, Khaleel >> Afridi.
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My junior Hawkey has said it all.

Shaheen probably is already better but will certainly end up improving way more
 
Khaleel's action is impressive but Shaheen is better atm as he has more skill.
 
Khaleel is too frail at the moment. He needs to add a bit more muscle. Looks like a taller version of Venkatapathy Raju.
 
Must say Khaleel has a very smooth action

Just like how India played him vs. HK..Pakistan should have played SSA vs. HK as well.
 
Superb debut for Khaleel even though it was only against HK. He proved that he belongs to this level.

Hopefully Khaleel will end Shardul's career.
 
Afridi is a better prospect and seems to be more pacier than Khaleel. Anyway too early to call.
 
Both are exciting prospects for the future. Very young, energetic passionate.

Both seem inspired by Starc. Both have shades of Starc in their bowling.


Khaleel is a very good find for India. Zaheer and Nehra were the last left arm young pacers who could hit these speeds. Khaleel would do good if he avoids major injuries and sustains his pace over the years.


Good find.



Shaheen is progressing well. Needs to work on his swing more. Talented lad.
 
Both exciting prospects with the world of cricket at their feet.

I hope both stay fit and represent their respective countries for many years to come.
 
Now waiting for Siraj to make his debut vs WI next month. More skilful than Khaleel but bowls Test match length. Not suited for T20s.

Hopefully Avesh Khan gets inspired from Khaleel’s debut. Needs to get fitter and he will be another exciting prospect for us.

Pity that Kamlesh Nagerkoti has been injured for long. Getting a back surgery done in London,so will miss the entire domestic season
 
troodon said:
Khaleel is too frail at the moment. He needs to add a bit more muscle. Looks like a taller version of Venkatapathy Raju.
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What is it with Desis and this 'muscle'? Look at Bumrah who is no hunk but still clocks close to 90 mph on the fifth day of his third straight Test match.Even Brett Lee was not built like He-man. Steph Curry is scrawny compared to the beasts in NBA but still one of the best and that too in a contact sport.
Khaleel upped his pace under the strength training from Sidharth Basu and this could be his body type.
 
Both are very young in their careers. Will wait till they play at least 10-15 games to pass judgement.
 
They cannot be compared as Shaheen has played just a handful of T20Is and Khaleel just debuted yesterday.
 
cricketindiafan said:
Khaleel is not a vegetarian like Mr. Muscles :) He is leaner but looks to have good strength. Was bowling 130 in 2016, now touched 145, even bowled a few 140+ in his last spell
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He was bowling in 130s yesterday as well..
 
Shaheen has everything - build, height, pace and skill. Not to forget, he is a marketer's dream due to his looks. Once he establishes himself in the team, he might end up as the highest earning cricketer from advertisements.

Khaleel on the other hand...
 
Both are exciting prospects, but I see Shaheen coming out on top in the long run. Shaheen has his height on his side, and Pakistan have a fast bowling culture that grooms good fast bowlers. Indian fast bowlers have the tendancy to lose their way the same way our batsmen lose their way.
 
Strange to see no speed guns in Abu Dhabi today.
 
Slim said:
Shaheen has everything - build, height, pace and skill. Not to forget, he is a marketer's dream due to his looks. Once he establishes himself in the team, he might end up as the highest earning cricketer from advertisements.

Khaleel on the other hand...
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Khalil is also about 6'1.5" and has more pace then Shahin
 
Slim said:
Shaheen has everything - build, height, pace and skill. Not to forget, he is a marketer's dream due to his looks. Once he establishes himself in the team, he might end up as the highest earning cricketer from advertisements.

Khaleel on the other hand...
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Khaleel is already at half a million dollars IPL salary, expect that to go up to a million dollars soon :P
 
cricketindiafan said:
Khaleel is not a vegetarian like Mr. Muscles :) He is leaner but looks to have good strength. Was bowling 130 in 2016, now touched 145, even bowled a few 140+ in his last spell
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Who said Venkatapathy Raju is a Veggie? He is not.

Some are just scrawny and they need to work out a bit to build muscle. Not too much bulk. He will hopefully thrive in BCCI system.
 
ATM shaheen looks the better But khalil has potential,realy like him,smooth action,pace and height what else you need,
 
the_outsider said:
Because you were talking about how pretty your new fast bowler looks. So freaking weird of you.
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Its not weird buddy, i am not insecure about my sexuality thus i have no issues praising someone for their good looks. I spoke from a marketer perspective, he is good looking and that means he is going to be the most favored cricketer for TV ads in Pakistan.
 
Shaheen looks miles ahead currently. How they both develop themselves only time 'll tell.
 
Both are new and hence not enough sample data to evaluate.I expect Khaleel to progress much as India's current fast bowling ecosystem is pretty good with trainers like Sidharth Basu.
 
Slim said:
Its not weird buddy, i am not insecure about my sexuality thus i have no issues praising someone for their good looks. I spoke from a marketer perspective, he is good looking and that means he is going to be the most favored cricketer for TV ads in Pakistan.
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don't know how the industry works in Pak but in India the biggest players become the biggest marketing hits. Not the prettiest faces. We leave that for Bollywood. Even today they still run ads of Dhoni and Sachin - not exactly lookers. Nobody asks KL Rahul or Bhuvi to shoot ads.
 
the_outsider said:
don't know how the industry works in Pak but in India the biggest players become the biggest marketing hits. Not the prettiest faces. We leave that for Bollywood. Even today they still run ads of Dhoni and Sachin - not exactly lookers. Nobody asks KL Rahul or Bhuvi to shoot ads.
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Buddy, you are not getting me. Maybe i need to elaborate on my point.

His good looks will help him in getting the ads, they wont be the sole criteria. His performances will be the main one, that is why i mentioned his skills as a cricketer first in my post. You honed onto one point for your own reasons. I saw the India-Pakistan match on star sports, all of the ads had Kohli and no other indian cricketer.

And in what world is KL Rahul good looking? lmao
 
Slim said:
Buddy, you are not getting me. Maybe i need to elaborate on my point.

His good looks will help him in getting the ads, they wont be the sole criteria. His performances will be the main one, that is why i mentioned his skills as a cricketer first in my post. You honed onto one point for your own reasons. I saw the India-Pakistan match on star sports, all of the ads had Kohli and no other indian cricketer.

And in what world is KL Rahul good looking? lmao
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As people say , beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For example,I don't see anything special in the looks of Afridi other than his fair complexion.But then every white guy in the world should be good looking going by that logic.
 
People discussing their looks should be ashamed.

Anyway.

It looked as if Shaheen is a lot more slower in pace department. But yesterday we did not have speed cameras so can't say for sure.
 
Hawkeye said:
People discussing their looks should be ashamed.

Anyway.

It looked as if Shaheen is a lot more slower in pace department. But yesterday we did not have speed cameras so can't say for sure.
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Didn't he bowl 145 K in U19 WC? may be didn't want to go full throttle in this heat.Even Khaleel hit 145K only during his last spell after he got confident.
 
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Hawkeye said:
People discussing their looks should be ashamed.

Anyway.

It looked as if Shaheen is a lot more slower in pace department. But yesterday we did not have speed cameras so can't say for sure.
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The speedgun was functional for the odd delivery here and there. Shaheen was mainly in the mid 130s, but I remember one or two deliveries hitting 140kph
 
Dingolfy said:
As people say , beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For example,I don't see anything special in the looks of Afridi other than his fair complexion.But then every white guy in the world should be good looking going by that logic.
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You think afridi is considered good looking just because of his fair complextion? Not that it matters.

On topic, Shaheen is miles ahead.
 
Balthazar said:
Just googled Shaheen Afridi (was curious of the name Afridi). He is far from good looking. lol.

At the moment Khaleel is ahead as he is a proven cricketer who helped India win under-19 World cup. And also he consistently bowls 145+ clicks.
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We lost 2016 U19 Final to West Indies.
 
Hawkeye said:
People discussing their looks should be ashamed.

Anyway.

It looked as if Shaheen is a lot more slower in pace department. But yesterday we did not have speed cameras so can't say for sure.
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What are you on about? Speed cameras were there and Shaheen was bowling around 140 KPH. There is proof in the match thread.
 
I dont see where the Indian fans are coming from when they say Khaleel hits 145 KPH constantly. I saw the match against HK and he was barely hitting 140 KPH.
 
Both are good , khaleel ahmed has a better control at the moment. If afridi could bowl with someone from whom he can learn , he could have been very very good but I dont think he can improve his skills under current bowling coach and the senior bowlers.
 
Both are exciting prospects.I want both to do good for their teams.Khaleel can move the ball both ways I guess.Shaheen can do it too.I have seen him doing it PSL.
 
Haven't seen Khaleel bowl yet but have heard good things about him. But have followed Shaheen's career since his FC debut and I can tell he is the real deal. Plus the coaching setup of Pakistan's team is better than Indian counterpart arguably(Ravi Shastri, Sanjay bangar bharat arun against Mickey Arthur, Grant Flower and Azhar Mahmood), I feel Shaheen will improve quicker. Seeing Shaheen bowl til now, he has looked threatening and knows how how to create chances or err the batter.

I certainly hope neither face injury issues.
 
The biggest plus I noticed, Shaheen possesses strong nerves and is a very confident young man, that's one thing which makes all the difference between a good bowler and a match winner in big matches.
 
the_outsider said:
He was bolwing between 133 and 138 mostly.
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Around 140 KPH, it was. Similar to Khaleel. However, dont know why indian posters are stuck on pace, is it due to the insecurity of having trundlers in your side historically and currently as well?
 
moghul said:
The biggest plus I noticed, Shaheen possesses strong nerves and is a very confident young man, that's one thing which makes all the difference between a good bowler and a match winner in big matches.
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Being on your debut, getting 3 catches dropped on your bowling but still managing to take two wickets speaks volumes about the mental steel of the boy. Superb lad.
 
Slim said:
Buddy, you are not getting me. Maybe i need to elaborate on my point.

His good looks will help him in getting the ads, they wont be the sole criteria. His performances will be the main one, that is why i mentioned his skills as a cricketer first in my post. You honed onto one point for your own reasons. I saw the India-Pakistan match on star sports, all of the ads had Kohli and no other indian cricketer.

And in what world is KL Rahul good looking? lmao
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Forget Rahul, how on earth is Bhuvi good looking? Guy has a permanent look of resignation on his face :D

Shaheen will progress better as he is young and Pakistan have shown confidence in dropping someone high profile as Amir for him while Khaleel is going nowhere sitting on the bench
 
Dingolfy said:
Didn't he bowl 145 K in U19 WC? may be didn't want to go full throttle in this heat.Even Khaleel hit 145K only during his last spell after he got confident.
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I'm not sure about his U19 speed.

angrypathan said:
The speedgun was functional for the odd delivery here and there. Shaheen was mainly in the mid 130s, but I remember one or two deliveries hitting 140kph
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I see, thanks.

Slim said:
What are you on about? Speed cameras were there and Shaheen was bowling around 140 KPH. There is proof in the match thread.
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Well those who saw the speed yesterday say it was in early to mid 130s mostly.

So, definitely slower in the first match.
 
While Khaleel is impressive, Shaheen is a prodigy. At 17 years of age being 6.6 playing U 19 and touching 145kph with action and athleticism like poetry in motion.

Khaleel is like any other young promising bowler, Shaheen has the potential to become a great of the game, again just potential till now.
 
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Also Shaheen has already taken wickets of players like Finch and Maxwell and by completely cornering them.
 
the_outsider said:
don't know how the industry works in Pak but in India the biggest players become the biggest marketing hits. Not the prettiest faces. We leave that for Bollywood. Even today they still run ads of Dhoni and Sachin - not exactly lookers. Nobody asks KL Rahul or Bhuvi to shoot ads.
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Really? Brett Lee made more $$ than any Aussie cricketer of his generation of Oz cricketers in India by an order of magnitude, despite Brett Lee never playing a test there (pre IPL era bro) and him being just a good players vs several other ATG's in the same side...
 
wrongun said:
Really? Brett Lee made more $$ than any Aussie cricketer of his generation of Oz cricketers in India by an order of magnitude, despite Brett Lee never playing a test there (pre IPL era bro) and him being just a good players vs several other ATG's in the same side...
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Yes, really. Brett Lee being an australian wasn't subject to the usual criteria that determines an Indian cricketer's marketability.

There were many better looking cricketers than Kambli but when he had a good run with the Indian team, and was ranked as Sachin's rival, he earned more adverts than everyone else save Sachin.
 
Both are going to be quality for their respective countries. They just need nurturing.
 
Khaleel has an action very reminiscent of Starc. He needs to add some bulk if he does not want injuries bowling at pace consistently. Shaheen has a great height advantage and has a lot of potential. Good times for fast bowling fans.
 
Shaheen is a gem who I believe will have a breakthrough tournament like those before him next year.

Akhtar: 99' WC
Gul: 10' T20 WC
Hasan Ali: 17' CT
 
the_outsider said:
You wish it was.
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Letting Hong Kong score around 260 while batting second is way worse than Afghanistan scoring 250ish while batting first.

You have to blinded by " nationalism" to say otherwise. Afghanistan is a proper cricket team while HK is made up of part timers.
 
ODIs

Matches
KA: 3
SA: 3

Wickets
KA: 5
SA: 4

Avg
KA: 31.40
SA: 31.75

Str.rate
KA: 36
SA: 39

Eco
KA: 5.23
SA: 4.88


Quite identical start to their careers

KA vs SA thread will become next HP vs FA
 
Afridi has more tools so he is the favorite. But India's pace bowling culture is changing now, Kohli may extract the best out of Khaleel.
 
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