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Khaleel Ahmed vs Shaheen Shah Afridi

So far in his career not seen any inswing capability from Khaleel. Won't trouble quality batters till he learns it and/or generates more pace

Shaheen looks like much better prospect as of now. Already has enough pace to push batsmen on back foot and has shown signs of both ways movement off fuller length
 
Shaheen has the advantage of height, which will help him even on flat tracks, unlike Khaleel.
 
No offense but to be honest some big jokes are going on as comparison threads.

Now every new left arm bowler who is yet to take wicket of any respectable batsman is gonna be compared with Shaheen?
 
No comparison. Both are young and new to International Cricket. Let them play for at least a year.
 
ARK Rafay said:
No comparison. Both are young and new to International Cricket. Let them play for at least a year.
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Problem is Khaleel might not even play that many matches to be compared unless he improves as he cant stay in the team with such performances for very long.

Khaleel is surely nipy but not fast, cant move the ball in the air or off the surface much and lacks variations for LOIs. Good raw prosoect to have but he isnt gonna feature in many games with such deficiencies. He can surely imorove.

Whike Shaheen atm is considered good enough to play regular international cricket by Pak management and they are not wrong. Guy is 6.6, delivered a ball at almost 148 kph in the last match, seams the ball decently, got a slower ball, has got control of reverse swing and bowls a good yorker.
Needs to work a lot on bouncer though. But he is good enough to play international cricket and will develop further within international circuit.
 
Titan24 said:
No offense but to be honest some big jokes are going on as comparison threads.

Now every new left arm bowler who is yet to take wicket of any respectable batsman is gonna be compared with Shaheen?
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So Shaheen is already an untouchable legend?
 
Titan24 said:
Problem is Khaleel might not even play that many matches to be compared unless he improves as he cant stay in the team with such performances for very long.

Khaleel is surely nipy but not fast, cant move the ball in the air or off the surface much and lacks variations for LOIs. Good raw prosoect to have but he isnt gonna feature in many games with such deficiencies. He can surely imorove.

Whike Shaheen atm is considered good enough to play regular international cricket by Pak management and they are not wrong. Guy is 6.6, delivered a ball at almost 148 kph in the last match, seams the ball decently, got a slower ball, has got control of reverse swing and bowls a good yorker.
Needs to work a lot on bouncer though. But he is good enough to play international cricket and will develop further within international circuit.
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Agree. Shaheen is on his way to improvement. Meanwhile Khaleel is still a bit raw. Still no comparison.
 
Shaheen is better but Khaleel can become a good bowler too. Too early to judge right now anyways.
 
Rahul1 said:
So Shaheen is already an untouchable legend?
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They're both good/great prospects. I like Khaleel as much as Shaheen, but the latter does have the advantage of height and can ball very quick. I've seen Khaleel use slower deliveries when he can't get swing, so he already knows the basics of bowling in humid conditions.

Let's not get dragged into the same territory of the Pandya v Faheem thread rubbish.
 
Rahul1 said:
So Shaheen is already an untouchable legend?
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Yes it sounded like that from my post which was totally unintentional. What I meant was that Shaheen Shah is a different league from Khaleel at the moment. Both have a lot to imrpove but Shaheen is good enough to regularly feature in international cricket, which is something extreme at 18 years of age. He is a prodigy and not every bowler who bowls left arm should be compared with him.

Otherwise why not a thread “Obed McCoy vs Shaheen”?

But, career path of Shaheen totally depends upon his hardwork and fitness.
 
Both good prospects with shaheen getting an edge, but common none of them are earth shattering or mouth watering prospects. Nasim Shah is what we call mouth watering and earth shattering prospect.
 
Have high hopes from Khaleel but if I have to choose between Shaheen and Khaleel right now I will pick Shaheen. The way he bowled yesterday against Australia showed he has mature head on his young shoulder. He has got a good height and speed too.
 
muhammad saad said:
Both good prospects with shaheen getting an edge, but common none of them are earth shattering or mouth watering prospects. Nasim Shah is what we call mouth watering and earth shattering prospect.
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Earth shattering is a big word.

Who was the last earth shattering bowling prospect from any nation?
 
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Khaleel Ahmed is overhyped. Navdeep Saini, Shivam Mavi, Nagarkotti all are better than Khaleel.

On topic, Afridi is much ahead.
 
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I like Khalil a lot but i must say merely looking at both i get the feeling that Shaheen has it in him to become one of the greats. He looks class apart.

Having said that i thought the same about Umar Akmal 10 years ago.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
I like Khalil a lot but i must say merely looking at both i get the feeling that Shaheen has it in him to become one of the greats. He looks class apart.

Having said that i thought the same about Umar Akmal 10 years ago.
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Pak have a better culture of grooming pacers, but even Khaleel has some potential.

Advantage for SA is, he'll be thrown in the ocean and asked to swim(just like how we keep throwing batsmen). I won't be shocked if he's in the test squad against South Africa. Whereas, KA won't get many chances. Once Pandya returns we'll go back to Pandya, Bhuvi and Bumrah.

But, surely these two should look to outperform each other.
 
muhammad saad said:
Mitchel starc, Rabada, Vernon Philander, they all started with a bang and still are great bowlers
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Mohammad Abbas?

Rabada played couple of T20s where he wasn’t in wickets, but it all changed with his ODI debut.

For Shaheen he is just played 3 ODIs, yes definitely not earth shattering but pretty impressive. Maybe NZ ODI series will be a game changer for Shaheen, who knows?
 
Kohli said:
Pak have a better culture of grooming pacers, but even Khaleel has some potential.

Advantage for SA is, he'll be thrown in the ocean and asked to swim(just like how we keep throwing batsmen). I won't be shocked if he's in the test squad against South Africa. Whereas, KA won't get many chances. Once Pandya returns we'll go back to Pandya, Bhuvi and Bumrah.

But, surely these two should look to outperform each other.
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No pace bowler currently will get Test debuts for India. Bumrah, Ishant, Shami, Yadav and Bhuvi in the line up. Siraj should be next in line for Tests. I am thinking Khaleel will take over from Bhuvi after the WC. He is currently India's third seamer in ODIs and that's what the team management thinks.
 
i have feeling this thread will turn out to be another kohli vs umer akmal
SA=>kohli
KH=>Umar
 
Great start for both of them in their career so far. Shaheen has started to touch 140 regularly, while Khaleel has gone back to his old speeds of 132-133 kmph but has started to move the ball appreciably including getting the ball to move into right handers, a great skill to have for a left arm pacer.

How they go in their careers depends totally on how they are guided and handled. Thats one area Shaheen will have a huge advantage like it is for young batsmen in India. Khaleel's biggest hope will be if his mentor Zaheer becomes the bowling coach sooner than later.

In any case, we should play Khaleel in every single ODI and T20 we play from here on. That wil give him around 20-25 matches to get ready for a role in the WC attack. Will Kohli-Shastri back him ahead of Bhuvi? I hope so
 
Kohli said:
If Khaleel can increase his pace by at least 5kph it would be a really good competition between these two.
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I think he's deliberately bowling slower and focussing on swing and control

Initially in the series he was fast but not effective

Still a work in progress but so far impressed
 
Saurav said:
I think he's deliberately bowling slower and focussing on swing and control

Initially in the series he was fast but not effective

Still a work in progress but so far impressed
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May be, but, he can't get away with these speeds on flat pitches.

But yes, finally some real seamer we've found after so many trundlers like Srans, Thakurs, Kauls, Sharmas, Unadkats, and the list goes on...
 
I don't know how finsihed Shaheen is. But Khaleel has some distance to go. He has good attitude, right ingredients.
 
C'mon guys, turn this into next Pandya vs Faheem.

Need to reach atleast 10 pages until WC"19.:2gunsfiri

Will the Indian tiger roar in front of the world?:starc:shhh:mj:fizz

or, will the green eagle do what they do the best?:amir3:wahab:junaid:ssa
 
Khaleel is a trundling despite having the ability to bowl consistently at 135-145..But somehow keeps getting wkts even while trundling.:sanga
He needs to return to his original pace or he will end up like irfan pathan and munaf patel.India needs strict no trundler policy in place.Only exemption bhuvi.After that no more.If they cant bowl in 140s no place unless extremely skilled swing bowler.
 
Khaleel swings the bowl and attacks the stumps. A better bowler right now. I want to like Shaheen but I feel something is missing from his bowling . He will learn hopefully, but no one in pk does beside Asif so not that optimistic
 
Khaleel asked for the new ball confirms Rohit. Good to see the confidence as well. Pace was up as well. All in all good progress so far. Should be playing every ODI and T20 from now till the WC.

He also spoke about working on his arm position during and after release, already showing better understanding than many experienced Indian pacers.
 
He bowls a heavy ball and is quite accurate. Even a 136 kph delivery of his thudded into the splice of Pollard's bat, surprising him. Don't just look at speed guns.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
He bowls a heavy ball and is quite accurate. Even a 136 kph delivery of his thudded into the splice of Pollard's bat, surprising him. Don't just look at speed guns.
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Even if he consistently bowls 135-136, with the skills he’s got, he will be a handful. Plus being a left armer, gives us the variety.
 
Yes. He's very accurate and a smart bowler. Pitched it up when there was swing on offer and held his length back and htt the deck otherwise. Still very much a work in progress but the signs are good. [MENTION=45053]cricketindiafan[/MENTION]
 
Dont know why but I am not very sold on Khaleel yet. Yes, he did well against WI but wont read much into it. I would still play BBS in world cup.

BBS = Bhuvi-Bumrah-Shami
 
Khalil has to add pace. I mean needs an effort ball which he can rely on.He has a decent accuracy. Long way to go.
 
Like I said previously, you won't even know who Khaleel is after 3-4 years.

Will be a no name in world cricket.

Even though he has some good ingredients, but he's not in a fast bowling team.
 
Khaleel looks like a promising bowler and... *Gasp*... Can actually pick up wickets. He should definitely be played over Economy Kumar in the World Cup next year.
 
Hawkeye said:
Like I said previously, you won't even know who Khaleel is after 3-4 years.

Will be a no name in world cricket.

Even though he has some good ingredients, but he's not in a fast bowling team.
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Isn't Bumrah world No.1?
 
Shaheen looks like a star already. Khaleel has decent potential to be a very good bowler. He shouldn't sacrifice his pace though.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Dont know why but I am not very sold on Khaleel yet. Yes, he did well against WI but wont read much into it. I would still play BBS in world cup.

BBS = Bhuvi-Bumrah-Shami
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Difficult for Shami to get back after the way he was tonked in the WI ODI. Right now the pecking order is Bumrah, Bhuvi, Khaleel, Umesh and Shami.
 
Kohli said:
May be, but, he can't get away with these speeds on flat pitches.

But yes, finally some real seamer we've found after so many trundlers like Srans, Thakurs, Kauls, Sharmas, Unadkats, and the list goes on...
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Aren't these the flattest pitches u'll ever see?
 
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Hawkeye said:
Wasn't BK, Shami great too in the start?

Wait n watch.
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Bumrah has been a top bowler for India in all three formats. When he missed out due to injury in England, he still came back to bowl brilliantly in the Tests. His is surely one of the best pacers in the white ball format. Shami yes, but Bhuvi's golden run only lasted about a year in ODI's. Shami got injured after the WC and with Bumrah coming through, he hasn't played much for India in ODI's but continues to be India's top Test pacer.
 
giri26 said:
Bumrah has been a top bowler for India in all three formats. When he missed out due to injury in England, he still came back to bowl brilliantly in the Tests. His is surely one of the best pacers in the white ball format. Shami yes, but Bhuvi's golden run only lasted about a year in ODI's. Shami got injured after the WC and with Bumrah coming through, he hasn't played much for India in ODI's but continues to be India's top Test pacer.
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I know Bumrah is excellent for now, but not sure for how long he can remain so. But he has good pace + accuracy, which may prolong his career.
 
Its too early. Khaleel is solid but this is a WI team. Shaheen would have troubled them as well.
 
I have not seen khaleel live in action. But the highlights tell me he has to add pace and like others said if he has a special/go-to delivery is the question. But right now, he must be playing for his place. Once he picks up 10-12 top-team wickets his confidence level will rise. And since he seems to have played for sunrisers in IPL, who are known for bowlers, I think he will only improve.

His idols in Indian cricket should be ashish nehra - who lasted for 15-16 years and Rp singh - who had 2-3 very good abroad tours.
He would do better to consult them before going on an abroad tour.
 
Zaheer, Khaleel’s mentor at DD and someone on whose recommendation he is in national side, does his magic with him. On Cricbuzz analysis he revealed how he spoke to Khaleel and helped him with his arm positioning in delivery stride and getting him to pitch the ball up and get swing into right handers.

I hope Shastri encourages those conversations and not prevent him from going to Zaheer time to time.
 
Khaleel action sometimes remind me of Starc and other times of Wayne Parnell:sanga
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Dont know why but I am not very sold on Khaleel yet. Yes, he did well against WI but wont read much into it. I would still play BBS in world cup.

BBS = Bhuvi-Bumrah-Shami
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Bhuvi has been struggling for a while now .Khaleel has done better in matches they play together

Plus he offers left arm variety

Only thing Bhuvi has is batting
 
Saurav said:
Bhuvi has been struggling for a while now .Khaleel has done better in matches they play together

Plus he offers left arm variety

Only thing Bhuvi has is batting
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World cup in Eng mind you and Bhuvi will be very handy in those conditions. Khaleel is too inexperienced to be launched into world cup straight away.
 
Guys stay on topic. The discussion is about a comparison between Shaheen Shah and Khaleel Ahmed.
 
Khaleel Ahmed relishing operating with new ball

Young Khaleel Ahmed was impressive yet again as India successfully defended a total of 195 against the West Indies by 71 runs to seal the series 2-0 at Lucknow’s Atal Bihari Vajpayee Stadium. Defending the target, Khaleel opened the bowling for India and picked two wickets upfront of the two most in-from West Indies batsmen – openers Shai Hope and Shimron Hetmyer.

Khaleel, who finished with economical figures of 1 for 16 in the first T20, returned figures of 2 for 30 in the second. During the post-match presentation ceremony, captain Rohit Sharma, who struck a fourth T20I century, had said that Khaleel’s ability to swing the Kookaburra ball gives India the option of operating Jasprit Bumrah differently. In fact, Khaleel himself had asked to open to bowling from his skipper on Tuesday.

“I enjoy the responsibility. When I was young I always dreamt of playing for India. Since I have achieved that, If I feel pressure, I can’t perform to my potential. My only aim is to do well for India and for that I need to enjoy my game. If you enjoy your game, the hunger to do well increases,” Khaleel said during the post-match conference.

As India piled up a total of 195, Khaleel provided them a wonderful start. In the second over, Khaleel dismissed Hope out caught and bowled and had Hetmyer four overs later for his second wicket. As Lucknow’s Atal Bihari Vajpayee Stadium hosted its debut international, Khaleel pointed out that the pitch didn’t have much for the bowlers and that landing early strikes was the key in defending the target.

“The pitch had nothing for the bowlers. It was a batting friendly wicket. Our effort was not to give them much room and maintain good line and length. After getting the wickets of Hetmyer and Shai Hope, we thought the match was in our control to some extent,” Khaleel said.

Despite not possessing much IPL experience, the 20-year-old credited his stint with Sunrisers Hyderabad for shaping him as a T20 bowler. He played just one match for Sunrisers earlier during this year’s IPL and went wicketless. However, he has spent a considerable amount of time with Delhi Daredevils under mentor Zaheer Khan, something Khaleel has always cherished.

“The experience of playing the IPL becomes important here. You’ve already performed against these players so there is no pressure of bowling to them for the Indian team. The dressing room is shared and there is no much learn from these players. You basically understand to fine tune things accordingly,” he said.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news/2nd-t20-khaleel-ahmed-relishing-operating-with-new-ball-762877
 
Madplayer said:
Both are good. Afridi has genetic advantage.
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You mean height?

Khaleel is decent at this point. He needs to bulk up a little and add increase the pace. Shaheen is bowling at 140k consistently.

At this point, Khaleel has a lot of catching up to do if he wants to be compared to Shaheen.
 
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