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Khushdil Shah is even worse than Asif Ali

Savak said:
Imad Wasim has done Jack with the bat since 2016 minus that knock against Afghanistan in the 2019 WC where he had multiple chances.
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Imad averages 42.86 with the bat in ODIs.
 
Usman Chadda said:
But there should be some weight given to a player’s shortcoming, which are glaringly obvious in this case. This lad can only score runs against bad bowling, international level bowlers don’t give you that luxury most of the time. Anything going slightly away from him on a good length cramps him up and he looks ugly nudging the ball around, wasting deliveries in the process.

Iftikhar and Asif fall in the same boat, but chances of a fluke performance are higher from them.
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How do you know that though? I don't think you or I can unequivocally make that judgment based on what little international cricket he has played.

For context, Pandya averaged 11 with the bat for India in T20Is before his recent comeback into the side. And for significant period of time he wasn't even bowling at all, meaning he was playing as a specialist batter. If he was a Pakistani player he would have been written off as a hack or a 'rellu katta' a long time ago by our fans. People on social media would have talked endlessly about his 'bad attitude' or what a show-off he is...just like they do about Hasan Ali and our board which apparently actually takes stock of the rubbish opinions of a bunch of no-name nobodies on Twitter with fake names, would have thrown him out.
 
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Slim said:
I would rather play Imad than either Khushdil or Asif. Mo Wasim needs to let go of his agenda against Imad.
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That is true Imad is better than both of them. Asif Ali is a gimmick player that might win you a match once in a blue moon. He is mostly a passenger and has a very limited ability. Shahid Afridi was a far more consistent batsman compared to Asif Ali. Still Shahid Afridi mostly justified his selection thru his bowling. Which can give you an idea how useless Asif Ali is.

Khushdil although is not consistent & is also going thru a bad patch But at least Khushdil knows how to bat. Unlike Asif Ali who is a very limited Batsman and slogger.

Pakistan can't compete with a middle order consisting of Chaca Iftikhar +Asif Ali +M Nawaz+Khushdil. Nawaz is doing well as bowler so we can't drop him, others are all expendables. Even though Iftikhar did made a decent 28, he too has a long way to go
 
If you want to drop one or the other then Imad Wasim should come into the squad/team.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Players are not made overnight. It's international cricket. There is a reason it is supposed to be hard and why it takes players years of playing consistently to establish themselves. But our fans somehow seem to think that the answer to every problem is replacing a guy who has had 3-4 failures with a yOuNgStEr.

When that youngster fails a couple of times for them, its time to replace him with another youngster.

It's actually remarkable how deluded some of the opinions of people here are.
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First of all, international cricket is not where you get "trained on the job". If you are not good enough, you are exposed.

A good example for comparison is Naseem, he came in raw and wasnt able to make a solid impact in the start. However, he passed the eye test in terms of ability and potential and one could say that with further polish there's a good chance that he might be able to become a top player. And that thankfully happened, he made his comeback and is now being called as a top dog for Pakistan cricket bowling. He ALWAYS had the potential.

Khushdil on the other hand has looked dross since he has stepped in. There's no hope to him. One cannot learn batting technique while being "on the job".
 
We need to give Haider a chance in the Hong Kong match and need to put him in place of Khushdil. Worst case scenario he would perform equally worse.
 
M.Yousuf is the batting coach and surely Haider must have improved his shot selection a bit now??? Can't do worse then Khusdil.
 
Kushdil, Iftikhar and Asif Ali, any little kid will know that this middle order cannot win a World Cup. I mean it is dead obvious and you don't even have to be a cricket expert to say this.

Pakistan needs some solidity in that middle order, which is literally non existent. One was to do it, is by opening with a dashing opening pair and put Babar and Rizwan at 3 and 4 so that if any of the openers fail (or both) they can consolidate.

The other way to do it is by playing proper batters in the middle order who can accelerate based on the situation. Who are those batters is up for the selectors to decide. Identify some good ones, may be Agha Salman, Haider Ali, or go back to Sarfaraz / Umar Akmal (if they are doing well domestically) or identify some proper new talent.
 
Slim said:
First of all, international cricket is not where you get "trained on the job". If you are not good enough, you are exposed.

A good example for comparison is Naseem, he came in raw and wasnt able to make a solid impact in the start. However, he passed the eye test in terms of ability and potential and one could say that with further polish there's a good chance that he might be able to become a top player. And that thankfully happened, he made his comeback and is now being called as a top dog for Pakistan cricket bowling. He ALWAYS had the potential.

Khushdil on the other hand has looked dross since he has stepped in. There's no hope to him. One cannot learn batting technique while being "on the job".
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Khushdil has won more matches for Pakistan as a finisher than any other talented yOunGsTeR that posters here keep advocating for.

If you think he ahs looked dross then you've been watching matches through scorecards too.
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
Khushdil has won more matches for Pakistan as a finisher than any other talented yOunGsTeR that posters here keep advocating for.

If you think he ahs looked dross then you've been watching matches through scorecards too.
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Only a couple of decent innings out of 13 in T20Is so far.

The worrying thing is his strike rate so far is only 104.39 which clearly shows that he is limited as a batter.
 
Saj said:
Only a couple of decent innings out of 13 in T20Is so far.

The worrying thing is his strike rate so far is only 104.39 which clearly shows that he is limited as a batter.
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Khushdil promises too much but delivers too less

His batting can be summed up by the phrase “Baatain croro ki, dukaan pakoro ki”

Look at how Najeebullah batted today! No fear! He wanted to hit every ball for 6, and he hit 6 of them in 17 balls!

Khushdil’s first 15 balls will be 8 singles, 5/6 dot balls and a boundary or two if he is lucky
 
Also if anyone notices, he doesn’t come across as the nicest looking person. Seems to be stressed out or angry all the time,

I wonder if anyone has told him to play with serious intent from ball one because he isn’t in the team to build an innings rather to hit the ball!
 
Rana said:
Khushdil promises too much but delivers too less

His batting can be summed up by the phrase “Baatain croro ki, dukaan pakoro ki”

Look at how Najeebullah batted today! No fear! He wanted to hit every ball for 6, and he hit 6 of them in 17 balls!

Khushdil’s first 15 balls will be 8 singles, 5/6 dot balls and a boundary or two if he is lucky
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Well observed, his game is completely unsuitable for T20Is and he is not fit for the role he has been given.
 
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Rana said:
Also if anyone notices, he doesn’t come across as the nicest looking person. Seems to be stressed out or angry all the time,

I wonder if anyone has told him to play with serious intent from ball one because he isn’t in the team to build an innings rather to hit the ball!
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Don’t always agree with your observations but you’re spot on with Khusdil, he definitely has the t20 game but @ international level so far still looks worried about his spot i.e not playing freely, I think he Asif & Chacha Ifti are all on the same boat
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
Khushdil has won more matches for Pakistan as a finisher than any other talented yOunGsTeR that posters here keep advocating for.

If you think he ahs looked dross then you've been watching matches through scorecards too.
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I don’t remember many match-winning performances in T20Is? He takes too much time to settle, then throws his wicket away. He does not have the time to scratch around and fluke his way to a good innings in this format unfortunately.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Khushdil has won more matches for Pakistan as a finisher than any other talented yOunGsTeR that posters here keep advocating for.

If you think he ahs looked dross then you've been watching matches through scorecards too.
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Pakistan can easily call up Shan Masood or Imam ul Haq to do the role of innings building instead of Khushdil, and they would be better at such selfish roles in the side.

Khushdil has an ability which those two do not, and that is to strike the ball at good bat speed. I don’t understand why he is so selfish and not doing what God has gifted him to do!

He is a waste of talent as we speak, and he will be long forgotten unless he realises that his pathetic 20 off 18 balls will not secure his spot for the next game, after which he decides to launch himself like Morgan would.

Absolute shambles of a player!
 
The way Khushdil approaches the game now reminds me of Morgan, Stokes and Moeen before Trevor Bayliss took over and completely revolutionised England’s approach to white ball cricket.

Nobody raved about the power hitting ability of those 3 left handers pre-2015 until Bayliss made England into a white ball monster side, with all 3 of them coming to the party and playing spectacular innings at great pace.

Khushdil can find himself and become our Miller, Morgan but time is ticking!
 
Saw him bat and puked.
It felt like he urinated in his pants before arriving to the crease.

What a timid loser of a batting approach.

Did you see the speed with which the ball travelled when Hardik hit the boundaries? Did you check his bat speed and his timing? Khushdil looked like chai wala in front of him.
 
Why was KS sent in instead of Asif Ali vs HK?
 
Nvm :)), quick mods, delete the above post.

Guy ends up smacking four sixes in the last over
 
Just because OP 's favourite player side lined, he created a thread to call "Khushdil Shah" fraud :D :D :D
 
Khushdil deserves to be back after this years PSL, he was absolutely destructive in the last 5 overs whenever he got the chance to bat

Let's also not forget he also helped finish of two important run chases vs Australia and the Windies.

People however will continue to make excuses whenever he performs
 
Excellent hitting.
Looks to be last 3 4 overs player.
Proved his worth.
 
Khusdil Shah proving quality and class is permanent.
 
cricenjoyer said:
Khushdil deserves to be back after this years PSL, he was absolutely destructive in the last 5 overs whenever he got the chance to bat

Let's also not forget he also helped finish of two important run chases vs Australia and the Windies.

People however will continue to make excuses whenever he performs
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Top teams will figure out his hitting strengths. He needs to work on his off side play, short deliveries.
 
There seems to be a lack of vision to how the fans want PCT to play. Some want Pakistan to play a high octane game like England and hit from ball one. To do so, the team needs to induct players that like to hit their shots and yet when the players fail (Khusdil and Asif), who by the way are the best in domestic cricket, the blame is on the players. If the best players in the country cannot emulate the English template, it's an indication that the PCT needs to play to a style that suits our strengths.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Khushdil Shah:<br><br>11 off first 11 balls<br>Then 24 off next 4 balls<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvHKG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvHKG</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AsiaCup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AsiaCup</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1565731929810522115?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 2, 2022</a></blockquote>
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LOL he is not good enough. Just watch him bat.
When the bowler in the last over bowled a 120 ks bouncer he didn't know what to do.
He is just not good enough.He is gonna lose a lot of matches with his pathetic batting.
 
Don't get baffled by his today's inning his real test will be against the seven t20s against England
 
Let's reserve our judgement and see how he fares against India in the next match. I doubt we're gonna see a repeat of this cameo against HK. Guy is a hack.
 
Hong Kong bowling in the right areas for him today.

He'd struggled initially and scored 11 off his first 11 balls before the 4 sixes.
 
shah_1 said:
He is a good minnow basher

A tail ender against pace with bit of bounce, and Hardik throughly exposed this tailunt. He is going to be a headless chicken in Australia
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Told you

He is a minnow basher
 
He can only play bowlers serving him pies in his zone in the late 120ks , There goes the chance of Haider playing against India,
 
I still like him.

Give him more time before passing judgement
 
Class is permanent. Humble pie to the haters.
 
Khushdil is a better fielder than Asif too. Who can forget Asif's crucial drops in 2019 WC
 
Marooned said:
Indeed. Haider can potentially add a new dimension to this team.
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Use this tournament to play both in every match and then drop the least successful player prior to the 7 T20s with England.

Bring in Masood who already is the finished article and maybe try out Haider later on for the last couple of T20s...
 
Khusdhil would me much better suited to opener than Rizwan

If that’s the strategy you want to apply of eating up some deliveries to settle in, I would much rather it be Khusdhil than Rizwan or Babar for that matter.
 
Asif Ali is a completely different mindset to Khushdil

He wants to hog the strike and go for boundaries from ball one. He doesn’t have time for settling in. And rightly so.
 
Takes too long to get going even against such poor bowling today. The two dot balls at the start of the final over was criminal. Yes he put the rest away, but you are not going to get such poor bowling regularly.

Before the last 4 sixes he was going at a ridiculously poor strike rate for an end of innings
 
TheSultan said:
Even that will be a depleted England team
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You sound like a pure hater who is not willing to give him an iota of credit . Already made an excuse in your mind that any success against England won’t be down to him but due to the England team being depleted . Which it is not by that much anyway .
 
Not impressed, he can hit against 2nd grade attack only , never saw him performing against a better bowling.
 
I find it absolutely laughable that the same Pakistani fans who were so impressed by SKY the other night think Khushdil is a minnow-basher when he literally came out and did the exact same thing in the last over.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I find it absolutely laughable that the same Pakistani fans who were so impressed by SKY the other night think Khushdil is a minnow-basher when he literally came out and did the exact same thing in the last over.
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He left it far too late. Other better teams will not allow him that luxury.
 
Khushdil is a scam! This fluke inning against poorest bowler of the world is gonna cost T20 WC for Pakistan.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I find it absolutely laughable that the same Pakistani fans who were so impressed by SKY the other night think Khushdil is a minnow-basher when he literally came out and did the exact same thing in the last over.
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Ohh that's too harsh, comparing a hack with one of the finest and versatile batsmen.

SKY has performances against top teams and has been best t20 batter in last 6 months. What has our hack done ? A rare performance against HK?
 
MenInG said:
He left it far too late. Other better teams will not allow him that luxury.
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He scored 35 off 15 balls. That's an outstanding cameo against any opposition any day of the week.

Rather than blaming the middle-order questions should be asked of the Top 3. Who are scoring 65-75 runs in the first ten overs, which is simply unacceptable in this format. Even if they lose zero wickets.
 
Rana said:
Khusdhil would me much better suited to opener than Rizwan

If that’s the strategy you want to apply of eating up some deliveries to settle in, I would much rather it be Khusdhil than Rizwan or Babar for that matter.
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I can understand the frustration behind slow RR during powerplay by RizAzam, but Khushdil as an opener would be black day for cricket.
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
Ohh that's too harsh, comparing a hack with one of the finest and versatile batsmen.

SKY has performances against top teams and has been best t20 batter in last 6 months. What has our hack done ? A rare performance against HK?
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Finest and versatile batsmen? Are you out of your mind? He hasn't even played 30 T20Is and 20 ODIs. He's a very good player but one who has yet to prove himself in the same way as the best T20 batters in the world like Babar, Rizwan, Rohit...even Rahul have.

And I didn't compare him. I merely said that he did the exact same thing that SKY did the other day, which is smash a minnow Hong Kong bowling attack into oblivion in the last over.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Finest and versatile batsmen? Are you out of your mind? He hasn't even played 30 T20Is and 20 ODIs. He's a very good player but one who has yet to prove himself in the same way as the best T20 batters in the world like Babar, Rizwan, Rohit...even Rahul have.

And I didn't compare him. I merely said that he did the exact same thing that SKY did the other day, which is smash a minnow Hong Kong bowling attack into oblivion in the last over.
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Don't care whatever number of matches he has played, but he has shown his talent and skills in each of them so far. Developing into one of the greatest batsmen is another question, but if continues to do what he is doing, I don't see any challenges for him to rule shorter format of the game.

Coming back to cameo vs HK, it's not people are bashing KS for a quick cameo and praising SYK for the similar effort, it's about how well they have faired in their last 7-10 innings. SYK can repeat such cameos against any of the top bowlers like Starc, Rabada, Boult or even Shaheen. But same doesn't stand true for KS who has been consistently poor even against weaker opponents so far.
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
Don't care whatever number of matches he has played, but he has shown his talent and skills in each of them so far. Developing into one of the greatest batsmen is another question, but if continues to do what he is doing, I don't see any challenges for him to rule shorter format of the game.

Coming back to cameo vs HK, it's not people are bashing KS for a quick cameo and praising SYK for the similar effort, it's about how well they have faired in their last 7-10 innings. SYK can repeat such cameos against any of the top bowlers like Starc, Rabada, Boult or even Shaheen. But same doesn't stand true for KS who has been consistently poor even against weaker opponents so far.
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Yeah just like he did against Pakistan right? Or was it the World Cup where he really turned a corner?

I don't get why it is our fans have this inferiority complex. Every Pakistani player is a minnow-basher and a hack. But any half-good no-Pakistani player is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

SKY is a very good player but remind me again how many big matches has he won for India? And why is it that non-Pakistani players don't have to prove themselves to be considered great but Pakistani players are hacks and cowards and minnow-bashers no matter what they do? Asif Ali has played more clutch knocks on bigger occasions than SKY and there are people here who still think he shouldn't even be in the side.

Maybe you should examine those double standards before you decide to blabber on any further.
 
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Maliq_Mudasir said:
I can understand the frustration behind slow RR during powerplay by RizAzam, but Khushdil as an opener would be black day for cricket.
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We’ve already had our black day when Rizwan scored that pointless 50 against NZ in the 3rd T20 and cemented his spot as an opener forever.

It cannot get any worse than that day. It is silly to deny the fact that Khusdhil is a clean striker once he actually decides to put the food down and go for it
 
Rana said:
We’ve already had our black day when Rizwan scored that pointless 50 against NZ in the 3rd T20 and cemented his spot as an opener forever.

It cannot get any worse than that day. It is silly to deny the fact that Khusdhil is a clean striker once he actually decides to put the food down and go for it
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Don't agree with your opinions on Rizwan but you've hit the nail on the head there. Almost all of Khushdil's hits are clean hits. He also has a SR of 150+ against 140+ bowling...a stat he shares with Asif Ali.
 
I disagree with the posters saying that he’s not a good hitter.

It is very difficult to hit short balls on off side to mid wicket for 6.

Of 4 sixes. He hit two there. Incredible timing.

Then he creamed the full ball straight babk with a flat six.

Last full toss was a gift but deposited to second tier.

Great timing on all shots!!!

I would persist with him
 
Not impressed by his sixes .. mostly tulla type flukes against very weak bowling.

Quite weak in both technique and power. This Gurbaz guy looks more solid and compact and full of power T20 batsman than I guess all of Pakistani batsmen, including Babar Azam.
 
Well played throughout the chase in tense moments,didn’t panic, kept on playing his shots Well done "Khushdil Shah" you are a fresh talent in Pak middle order :sachin
 
Ryw said:
Well played throughout the chase in tense moments,didn’t panic, kept on playing his shots Well done "Khushdil Shah" you are a fresh talent in Pak middle order :sachin
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Should've showed more intent in 17th & 18th overs.....left it all for Asif to do.
 
One of khushdil and Asif has to make way for Shan Masood in the playing XI,
And Cha-cha has to make way for Kamran Ghulam
 
A more or less 5 dependable batsmen like Rizwan , Babar, Shan , Fakhar and Kamran will ease up the pressure on our openers and they will be able to play freely without fear of losing wickets and a collapse.
 
Decent performance by both today. However, i know everyone was uneasy to see them on the crease. You cannot afford that kind of unreliability in your "middle order".
 
Ashmal said:
Should've showed more intent in 17th & 18th overs.....left it all for Asif to do.
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He came to the crease to put more pressure on an already injured and super tired Rizwan by timid blocking and taking singles in the death overs. Who does that?
This resulted in more pressure on Rizwan as the responsibility was kicked back on him by Shah. And Rizwan lost his wicket in return.

This guys was supposed to RELEASE pressure on Rizwan but the super timid and inability to counter fire with fire, seems a concept that makes him wet his pants.
 
Still crutching at straws, some posters. The ends justify the means. And at the end of the day both Asif and Khushdil played crucial knocks that were integral in getting Pakistan over the line.
 
He was taking singles when he needed to hit the ball out of the park
He has very limited skillset.He won't be successful against top teams.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
He came to the crease to put more pressure on an already injured and super tired Rizwan by timid blocking and taking singles in the death overs. Who does that?
This resulted in more pressure on Rizwan as the responsibility was kicked back on him by Shah. And Rizwan lost his wicket in return.

This guys was supposed to RELEASE pressure on Rizwan but the super timid and inability to counter fire with fire, seems a concept that makes him wet his pants.
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Khushdil definitely is extremely selfish
 
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