Kishan Bharvad murder for social media post against Islam

[cricketjoshila]

New Delhi: In what marks the latest development in the sensational murder of Kishan Bharvad for uploading an alleged social media video against the Muslim community, the Gujarat ATS on Sunday (January 30) arrested a Delhi cleric Maulana Qamar Gani Islami pertaining to the crime, ANI reported.

Soon after being arrested in the national capital, Gani was produced before a local court which sent him on transit remand.


The accused will also be produced before the concerned court in Gujarat. The ATS is likely to seek ten days remand for interrogation.


Here’s all you need to know about the Kishan Bharwad murder case in key points:


Kishan was murdered on January 25 by two-bike borne assailants.

Bharwad allegedly uploaded a video on social media against Muslims after which he came on the radar of Islamic extremists.

It has been alleged that Qamar Gani made a provocative speech against Kishan after which the main accused Shabbir shot dead Kishan with the help of his aide.

During interrogation, both the accused told Gujarat Police that they met Qamar Gani in Mumbai.

Gani told them that whosoever speaks against Islam and Muslims should be eliminated. After this, they hatched a conspiracy to kill Kishan.

So far, six people have been arrested in this case.

The Gujarat ATS has claimed that Gani is connected to Tehrik-e-Farog.


On January 29, the Gujarat Government directed the state ATS to probe the matter. The ATS arrested Kamar Gani from Delhi within twenty-four hours.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/zeenew...vocation-what-we-know-so-far-2432207.html/amp

 

[cricketjoshila]

After Kamlesh Tiwari was murdered for allegedly insulting islam, another hindu is killed.

While we have "Hai-Tauba" even if a stand up comedian is lawfully arrested for insulting hinduism, not a squeak when a hindu is killed by muslims.

 

[MenInG]

After Kamlesh Tiwari was murdered for allegedly insulting islam, another hindu is killed.

While we have "Hai-Tauba" even if a stand up comedian is lawfully arrested for insulting hinduism, not a squeak when a hindu is killed by muslims.

Sorry - who is stopping people from talking about it?

Will this now be a trigger to put more restrictions on Muslims?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Uttarakhand: Stalker, aides kill 19-year-old girl in Roorkee

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.time...-girl-in-roorkee/amp_articleshow/82235004.cms

 

[cricketjoshila]

https://www.deshgujarat.com/2022/01/29/radhanpur-observes-bandh-protesting-attack-on-a-hindu-girl/

Another attack on a hindu girl by a muslim youth.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sorry - who is stopping people from talking about it?

Will this now be a trigger to put more restrictions on Muslims?

What kind of restrictions are being put on muslims that do not apply to other religions or hindus?

Fake liberalism and propoganda is stopping people from talking about this issue. The amount of tears that were shed merely because a muslim comedian was arrested and now the defeaning silence even if a hindu is killed.

I am afraid if this continues where media and the so called civil society (self proclaimed guardians of liberalism) side with one sided propoganda, India may see a rise of majoritarinism.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Interfaith love affair: Hindu youth found dead

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.de...ve-affair-hindu-youth-found-dead-1043529.html

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Well kudos to Indians for capturing the culprits. For decades we used to read about motorcycle gunmen assassinating targets in Pakistans and they used to do their work and disappear without a trace every time.

 

[LaLoco]

After Kamlesh Tiwari was murdered for allegedly insulting islam, another hindu is killed.

While we have "Hai-Tauba" even if a stand up comedian is lawfully arrested for insulting hinduism, not a squeak when a hindu is killed by muslims.

Majority of the well paid, well known, highest rated media is accused of pro-Modi and pro-Hindutva.

so what are you on about? No one has stopped any Indian from highlighting.

It seems, it is an other excuse to marginalize and drive up bigotry against Muslims of India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Delhi Youth ‘Beaten to Death’ Over Relation With Girl, 5 Nabbed

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...beaten-to-death-over-relationship-with-a-girl

 

[cricketjoshila]

Majority of the well paid, well known, highest rated media is accused of pro-Modi and pro-Hindutva.

so what are you on about? No one has stopped any Indian from highlighting.

It seems, it is an other excuse to marginalize and drive up bigotry against Muslims of India.

Pro Modi? Pro hindutva? Please find me a few articles about the killing in the op, once the religion of the murderers were out?

What kind of marginalized community is openly kills the majority community?

There are so many incidents of muslims killing hindus because of communal incidents.

But the leftist liberal propoganda talks only if the victim is muslim. Hence the left liberals have lost their support among hindus.

 

[LaLoco]

Delhi Youth ‘Beaten to Death’ Over Relation With Girl, 5 Nabbed

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...beaten-to-death-over-relationship-with-a-girl

LoL- who made you upset today?

what if the male was Muslim, would you have posted it? - I am sure you can find a couple with a Muslim man and a Hindu girl and the muslim male was killed by Hindu brothers.

You do not have to justify your support of Modi, BJP, RSS in marginalizing and bigotry of Muslims, you reside in India, it is probably, now a days, easiest thing to do.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Kamlesh Tiwari, he was jailed for over a year because of remarks against the prophet (pbuh).

He was murdered by muslims after he was released from jail.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hi...er-case/story-tP5QbiYTdGVgbpDIeSOjRP_amp.html

 

[cricketjoshila]

LoL- who made you upset today?

what if the male was Muslim, would you have posted it? - I am sure you can find a couple with a Muslim man and a Hindu girl and the muslim male was killed by Hindu brothers.

You do not have to justify your support of Modi, BJP, RSS in marginalizing and bigotry of Muslims, you reside in India, it is probably, now a days, easiest thing to do.

The violence is from both sides and thats the fact.

Since the fake leftist liberals choose to highlight one side only and ofcourse the political parties hanker after one vote bank only rss or bjp or rather only hindus are highlighted.

What marginalization? Can you cite a law that is against muslims?

Fact is BJP only gets shia muslim votes and women muslim votes, while they get Majority of hindu votes. Hence they do not engage in minority appeasement. Now for last 3-4 decades esp since the death of Indira Gandhi, India has had a fractured vote bank. More and more parties have tried to get muslim votes to win elections.

In doing so, they have allowed laws to be flouted. The appeasement grew so much that hindu counter polarization happened resulting in BJP coming to power. Now ofcourse BJP now doesn't give any special rights to the minority, and wants everyone to fall in line with the law.

Law has to be equal for all religions in a secular country.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Chandan Gupta murdered for participating in a bike rally with the national flag on republic day. The rally passed through a muslim majority area and they were attacked there.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...-chandan-gupta-murder-case-1158126-2018-01-31

 

[LaLoco]

The violence is from both sides and thats the fact.

Since the fake leftist liberals choose to highlight one side only and ofcourse the political parties hanker after one vote bank only rss or bjp or rather only hindus are highlighted.

What marginalization? Can you cite a law that is against muslims?

Fact is BJP only gets shia muslim votes and women muslim votes, while they get Majority of hindu votes. Hence they do not engage in minority appeasement. Now for last 3-4 decades esp since the death of Indira Gandhi, India has had a fractured vote bank. More and more parties have tried to get muslim votes to win elections.

In doing so, they have allowed laws to be flouted. The appeasement grew so much that hindu counter polarization happened resulting in BJP coming to power. Now ofcourse BJP now doesn't give any special rights to the minority, and wants everyone to fall in line with the law.

Law has to be equal for all religions in a secular country.

Go for it, no one has stopped you from trying to be a secular country, but it is hard to believe if majority were to keep electing Yogis and Modis of India

Particularly hard to believe when you post above links to justify rise in violence against Muslims or other minorities at the hand of Hindu majority

Muslim appeasement, - another veiled term of bigotry

Good luck in trying to be a secular country

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nikita Tomar murdered for not agreeing to marry a muslim guy


https://www.google.com/amp/s/zeenew...-accused-tausif-rehan-guilty-2350180.html/amp

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Is this guy just pasting random news articles where the victim is a hindu and the criminal a Muslim.

What is the point of this thread? There is just random utterings of a bigot poster, grouping together random crimes.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Go for it, no one has stopped you from trying to be a secular country, but it is hard to believe if majority were to keep electing Yogis and Modis of India

Particularly hard to believe when you post above links to justify rise in violence against Muslims or other minorities at the hand of Hindu majority

Muslim appeasement, - another veiled term of bigotry

Good luck in trying to be a secular country

Majority will elect Yogi or Modi if the other side is a Rahul or Akhilesh or Lalu and co. Who openly indulge in favouring muslims.

Muslim appeasement is a fact. Certain political parties favour muslims and flout laws to grant them favours.

Well if Modi and Yogi keep winning, the other parties will have no option but to be centrist and balance the hindu and non hindu sides of the vote bank.

Leaders like Naveen Patnaik has done that beautifully and is CM for last 25 plus years. Even BJP has done that in Goa, balancing the hindu and Christian votes.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Is this guy just pasting random news articles where the victim is a hindu and the criminal a Muslim.

What is the point of this thread? There is just random utterings of a bigot poster, grouping together random crimes.

What is the point of threads where victim is muslim and the perpetrators hindu?

This thread just shows that incidents of violence are from both sides. Ofcourse the hindu victims and their story is hardly mentioned on PP.

Why am i bigot for posting about hindu victims?

I have only collated a few incidents from last 3 years.

 

[cricketjoshila]

[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]
[MENTION=151383]Local.Dada[/MENTION]
[MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION]
[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION]

 

[DeadlyVenom]

What is the point of threads where victim is muslim and the perpetrators hindu?

This thread just shows that incidents of violence are from both sides. Ofcourse the hindu victims and their story is hardly mentioned on PP.

Why am i bigot for posting about hindu victims?

I have only collated a few incidents from last 3 years.

It's a strange thread you have created. You are a bigot because the thread makes no sense, there is nothing linking these disparate cases apart from the alleged religion of the alleged criminals.

This isn't a case of Hindu/Muslim violence as the majority of the cases have no religious element to them.

What is the point you are trying to prove? Please state it clearly.

 

[anikrc1]

The answer is pretty easy actually. While both are dangerous, Majority violence and minority violence can never be compared. The second will stop at some terrorist activities, while the first can turn into genocide.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lavanya a 17 year old girl committed suicide. She left a video saying she was being tortured to convert to Christianity by her school authorities. She studied in a missionary school.

Within hours the Local police and the State Government tried to hush up the case.

The parents approached the high court and now case has been taken away from the state government and givn to the CBI.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.econ...nsfers-case-to-cbi/amp_videoshow/89240890.cms

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's a strange thread you have created. You are a bigot because the thread makes no sense, there is nothing linking these disparate cases apart from the alleged religion of the alleged criminals.

This isn't a case of Hindu/Muslim violence as the majority of the cases have no religious element to them.

What is the point you are trying to prove? Please state it clearly.

No religious element?

Killed for insulting islam? Isnt that a religious angle?

Murdered for being a non muslim dating a muslim?

Killed for refusing to convert and marry.

Suicide because of harassment at school for not converting.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The answer is pretty easy actually. While both are dangerous, Majority violence and minority violence can never be compared. The second will stop at some terrorist activities, while the first can turn into genocide.

So we should assume that since Majority is capable of genocide, they must endure acts of violence of minority because they will stop at a limit?

Or may be we should condemn both and see that no violence occurs.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Is this about more than one case? Original article is about Kishan Bharvad murder, but the OP has since gone on to list different cases in separate posts, all seem to be where majority religion are being coerced by minorities.

If that was the true intent of the thread, why not just make it the topic rather than a specific individual?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Is this about more than one case? Original article is about Kishan Bharvad murder, but the OP has since gone on to list different cases in separate posts, all seem to be where majority religion are being coerced by minorities.

If that was the true intent of the thread, why not just make it the topic rather than a specific individual?

Well i initially posted one incident. But later decided that may be more incidents should also be highlighted.

India has a very large minority, both muslim and non muslims and there are clashes between different communities. Its not that only one community suffers.

 

[anikrc1]

So we should assume that since Majority is capable of genocide, they must endure acts of violence of minority because they will stop at a limit?

Or may be we should condemn both and see that no violence occurs.

Who is asking you to not condemn both ?

 

[JaDed]

So we should assume that since Majority is capable of genocide, they must endure acts of violence of minority because they will stop at a limit?

Or may be we should condemn both and see that no violence occurs.

We should condemn both but his point on genocide is not incorrect.

I have always said i believe in one country one law and enforce the law across the spectrum.

I also believe in Police reforms, none talking about it now that BJP is in power..

 

[anikrc1]

So we should assume that since Majority is capable of genocide, they must endure acts of violence of minority because they will stop at a limit?

Or may be we should condemn both and see that no violence occurs.

As far as I know you are a doctor , if you come across someone suffering from an accident who has both a head injury and a leg injury, will you try to address them at the same time ?

 

[kumjsr]

Who is asking you to not condemn both ?

If you talk about incidents against Muslims, it's considered liberal view.

If you talk about incidents against Hindus, you will be labelled as communal in India automatically discouraging people.

 

[Local.Dada]

We should condemn both but his point on genocide is not incorrect.

I have always said i believe in one country one law and enforce the law across the spectrum.

I also believe in Police reforms, none talking about it now that BJP is in power..

Has the genocide happened or was it a threat from a fringe group that no one ever heard of?

While yes of course it is common sense that a threat like that is unacceptable but it feels like forced equivalence to compare a blanket threat to an actual tragic incident that involved someone actually losing their life.

It doesn’t look like the same thing to me

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Till now 3 men arrested for the murder of Kishan Bharwad in Gujarat's Dhandhuka:

1. Sabbir
2. Imtiyaz
3. Cleric Maulana Ayyub

Cleric Maulana preaches murder for blasphemy & also provided weapons to kill Kishan.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Lavanya a 17 year old girl committed suicide. She left a video saying she was being tortured to convert to Christianity by her school authorities. She studied in a missionary school.

Within hours the Local police and the State Government tried to hush up the case.

The parents approached the high court and now case has been taken away from the state government and givn to the CBI.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.econ...nsfers-case-to-cbi/amp_videoshow/89240890.cms

Its amazing to see all bollywood Feminists quite on Lavanya Suicide . Hypocrisy is their core skills.

Lavanya was tortured to suicide by a Catholic school for refusing to convert.

 

[Napa]

Gani told them that whosoever speaks against Islam and Muslims should be eliminated. After this, they hatched a conspiracy to kill Kishan.

If no criticism is allowed then no progress is possible.

 

[azfar wali]

How do you feel about these kind of threads

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ide%92-of-Muslims-in-India&highlight=genocide

How are they the same thing? That thread is based on a report by an international human rights organization which states that India is heading towards genocide. I believe those reports came after lynchings and hate speech targeted against Muslims increased. Just last month, some Indian leaders literally did threatened genocide.

While this thread is a collection of random crimes committed by Muslims, the poster is literally copy pasting articles of random thugs killing over affairs and other issues. What do those crimes have to do with Muslims though?

So if some random Muslim criminal kills someone then it's realted to Islam and justifies hate against Muslims? Other than the incident posted in the OP, the rest are just random killings with no connection to religion. Do you want me to start copy pasting any random crime which has a Hindu culprit?

 

[azfar wali]

Nikita Tomar murdered for not agreeing to marry a muslim guy


https://www.google.com/amp/s/zeenew...-accused-tausif-rehan-guilty-2350180.html/amp

Let's take this for example. This is a case of a low life criminal killing someone who refused his marriage proposal. How is this a religiously motivated crime?

Are you telling me Hindu/Christian and other criminals haven't killed based on this stuff?

That crime has more to do with ego and misogyny than any religion but CJ is trying to make it seem like a Muslim thing.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

How are they the same thing? That thread is based on a report by an international human rights organization which states that India is heading towards genocide. I believe those reports came after lynchings and hate speech targeted against Muslims increased. Just last month, some Indian leaders literally did threatened genocide.

While this thread is a collection of random crimes committed by Muslims, the poster is literally copy pasting articles of random thugs killing over affairs and other issues. What do those crimes have to do with Muslims though?

So if some random Muslim criminal kills someone then it's realted to Islam and justifies hate against Muslims? Other than the incident posted in the OP, the rest are just random killings with no connection to religion. Do you want me to start copy pasting any random crime which has a Hindu culprit?

You can paste and believe whatever you want.

The incidents mentioned in this thread are from main stream media and officially FIR filed cases not from random sources.

 

[azfar wali]

You can paste and believe whatever you want.

The incidents mentioned in this thread are from main stream media and officially FIR filed cases not from random sources.

Did you deliberately just miss the point or was what I said confusing?

I am not saying the crimes are fake, I am saying that 80% of the crimes that dude posted have nothing to do with religion while he is making it seem like these crimes are a Muslim thing.

It's transparent that these crimes will be used as a basis to target Muslims

 

[cricketjoshila]

We should condemn both but his point on genocide is not incorrect.

I have always said i believe in one country one law and enforce the law across the spectrum.

I also believe in Police reforms, none talking about it now that BJP is in power..

Police reforms are a must. IPC was made in 1830s and implemented in 1860. It was designed for the British to dominate the indians. Now its the same IPC and it cannot really serve the people.

The biggest mistake was to keep majority of the Government of India act 1935 into the Indian parliament and stick new laws into it. A entire new and fresh constitution was needed.

Politicians should have no say in the enforcement of laws.

UCC has to come, the sooner the better.

 

[cricketjoshila]

As far as I know you are a doctor , if you come across someone suffering from an accident who has both a head injury and a leg injury, will you try to address them at the same time ?

I cannot treat the head injury first just because its a head injury.

If a leg injury is more serious and may result in amputation and the head injury is a simple laceration i will treat the leg injury first.

Minority violence has increased across the globe. The french have taken a very serious view of it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its amazing to see all bollywood Feminists quite on Lavanya Suicide . Hypocrisy is their core skills.

Lavanya was tortured to suicide by a Catholic school for refusing to convert.

All secularist liberals have taken fevicol on kishan bharwad issue.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Let's take this for example. This is a case of a low life criminal killing someone who refused his marriage proposal. How is this a religiously motivated crime?

Are you telling me Hindu/Christian and other criminals haven't killed based on this stuff?

That crime has more to do with ego and misogyny than any religion but CJ is trying to make it seem like a Muslim thing.

If you read in details about the case, you would come to know that the guy was coercing her to convert.

 

[cricketjoshila]

How are they the same thing? That thread is based on a report by an international human rights organization which states that India is heading towards genocide. I believe those reports came after lynchings and hate speech targeted against Muslims increased. Just last month, some Indian leaders literally did threatened genocide.

While this thread is a collection of random crimes committed by Muslims, the poster is literally copy pasting articles of random thugs killing over affairs and other issues. What do those crimes have to do with Muslims though?

So if some random Muslim criminal kills someone then it's realted to Islam and justifies hate against Muslims? Other than the incident posted in the OP, the rest are just random killings with no connection to religion. Do you want me to start copy pasting any random crime which has a Hindu culprit?

Anyone can open an NGO. Its a private organisation that works by taking funds from donors. So please forgive me if i dont believe a word of these NGOs.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

No religious element?

Killed for insulting islam? Isnt that a religious angle?

Murdered for being a non muslim dating a muslim?

Killed for refusing to convert and marry.

Suicide because of harassment at school for not converting.

There is nothing to link the crimes unless you believe Hindus are being systematically targetted by both Muslims and Christians in India solely because they are Hindus.

Is this what you believe?

 

[cricketjoshila]

There is nothing to link the crimes unless you believe Hindus are being systematically targetted by both Muslims and Christians in India solely because they are Hindus.

Is this what you believe?

They are solely targetted for being from a different religion.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

They are solely targetted for being from a different religion.

Do you think its an abrahamic conspiracy against Hindus?

 

[LaLoco]

This thread shows how wide spread hate in India and how deep the division between the different religion is.

Unlimited reason to justify marginalizing minorities while using any violence, (domestic, personal etc) by minority against a member of the majority as justification to subjugate and dehumanized the minority.

As it stand now, there is absolutely no reason for the majority to stop and condemn violence against the minority, there will always be justification for it.

What a sad reality India is becoming.

 

[kumjsr]

There is nothing to link the crimes unless you believe Hindus are being systematically targetted by both Muslims and Christians in India solely because they are Hindus.

Is this what you believe?

Hasn't that been the case for 100s of years?

 

[kumjsr]

Do you think its an abrahamic conspiracy against Hindus?

Just a simple question.

How many instances have you heard in your life where anyone from different religion was forced by Hindus to convert to Hinduism?

Why is that when it comes to incidents of forced conversions, Hindus are always on recieving side?

 

[IMMY69]

If you read in details about the case, you would come to know that the guy was coercing her to convert.

Are you able to look inwards and admit to yourself and everyone here how bad this thread is?
Can you even contemplate this?

 

[kumjsr]

This thread shows how wide spread hate in India and how deep the division between the different religion is.

Unlimited reason to justify marginalizing minorities while using any violence, (domestic, personal etc) by minority against a member of the majority as justification to subjugate and dehumanized the minority.

As it stand now, there is absolutely no reason for the majority to stop and condemn violence against the minority, there will always be justification for it.

What a sad reality India is becoming.

Mathura which is considered birthplace of Lord Krishna had a temple and it was regulary looted and destroyed to built mosque in 17th century. The temple was reconstructed and mosque still exists.

Maybe we can accept that those were barbaric times when these things happened.

Don't you think that Hindus should get back one of their holiest site in modern times?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Just a simple question.

How many instances have you heard in your life where anyone from different religion was forced by Hindus to convert to Hinduism?

Why is that when it comes to incidents of forced conversions, Hindus are always on recieving side?

Im not a hindu so dont know.

I can only think of two scenarios - that Hindus are easily dominated by other religions, or their fake is weak and they convert whereas other religion's dont.

I know Hindus do try and force people to abandon their religions - we have seen the pressure right wingers put on minorities, numerous examples of where hardliners make non Hindus chant hindu slogans.

However, they are generally unsuccessful in their own endevours and according to you succumb very easily when others ask them to convert.

What is your theory?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Hasn't that been the case for 100s of years?

So you believe in India in 2022 that this is the case?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Do you think its an abrahamic conspiracy against Hindus?

Well no.

Certain missionaries do this kind of forced conversions to get more funds from overseas donors. The more the number of christians the more funds they get. Hence they use coercion.

The kind of people who do the kind of acts thats described in the OP are the same who killed cartoonists in europe and beheaded a teacher in France.

 

[IndoorCricket]

Good job [MENTION=149353]Joshila[/MENTION] bhai. I was thinking to compile these incidents too.

Cant believe what other people are saying here. Look at one liberal activist have to say about a similar incident when roles were reversed.

https://twitter.com/taapsee/status/1357133835079614465

Not a word when similar things happens with Hindus. The problem here is with the selective outrage. If someone points out why these killings are happening in the first place they are labeled as bigot and hate filled person. This will not only shun the people raising valid concerns but also allows other party to carry on with its deeds without any remorse or shame.

If one observes the problem is majorly with abrahamic religions. Maybe, just maybe these religions needs reforms. Anti-Conversion bills and abolition of blasphemy laws are the need of the hour in India.

 

[PakLFC]

Seems as if Indian Muslim's are being prepared for greater oppression. Now the RSS have the perfect excuse even if there is no evidence that Kishan was killed by Muslim's. In a country of over one billion such incidents will occur too particularly when one community is always under the cosh. If you live by the sword then you die by it too.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Good job [MENTION=149353]Joshila[/MENTION] bhai. I was thinking to compile these incidents too.

Cant believe what other people are saying here. Look at one liberal activist have to say about a similar incident when roles were reversed.

https://twitter.com/taapsee/status/1357133835079614465

Not a word when similar things happens with Hindus. The problem here is with the selective outrage. If someone points out why these killings are happening in the first place they are labeled as bigot and hate filled person. This will not only shun the people raising valid concerns but also allows other party to carry on with its deeds without any remorse or shame.

If one observes the problem is majorly with abrahamic religions. Maybe, just maybe these religions needs reforms. Anti-Conversion bills and abolition of blasphemy laws are the need of the hour in India.

Fault lies with hindus. We have allowed these fake liberals to get away with this attitude. If hindus start economic boycott of the films of these actors they will simply fall in line.

Dont vote for political parties who support anti hindu acts. Stop being divided by caste and unite as hindus and demand equal treatment. Nehruvian fake secularism and liberalism is a curse for hindus.

Murders of hindus cannot be normalised and they cannot be de humanised in the name of they are majority.

 

[LaLoco]

Mathura which is considered birthplace of Lord Krishna had a temple and it was regulary looted and destroyed to built mosque in 17th century. The temple was reconstructed and mosque still exists.

Maybe we can accept that those were barbaric times when these things happened.

Don't you think that Hindus should get back one of their holiest site in modern times?

Whatever the majority of the Indian wish to do they can, I have no say in it, but if the destruction of the mosque is needed with the help of marginalizing and dehumanizing the largest minority of India then Hindus need to consider collectively introspect because in 2022 Hindus (Hindutva) trying to justify to marginalize and dehumanize the largest majority but after going through this thread it seems most Hindutva are pretty okay with current India.

This going to be perpetual and it seems the only way it will end when all of the Muslims of India either are totally subjugated or do not exist in India. Collective subjugation of Muslims in India can't last and Hindutva love their $$$ too much so mass genocide won't happen.

Anyway, no need to give more air to this thread, which has only one purpose, justifying what is happening in India at the hands of majority.

I am out.

 

[IndoorCricket]

Fault lies with hindus. We have allowed these fake liberals to get away with this attitude. If hindus start economic boycott of the films of these actors they will simply fall in line.

Dont vote for political parties who support anti hindu acts. Stop being divided by caste and unite as hindus and demand equal treatment. Nehruvian fake secularism and liberalism is a curse for hindus.

Murders of hindus cannot be normalised and they cannot be de humanised in the name of they are majority.

I agree that problem lies with Hindus but in a different way. Mosques and Churches are not under The Religious Endowments Act, only temples are. Thus the funds collected from Hindu temples are not used for upliftment of Hindu society at large where as the funds collected from Mosques and churches are used to uplift their communities. No wonder people are converting away from Hinduism.

 

[kumjsr]

Im not a hindu so dont know.

I can only think of two scenarios - that Hindus are easily dominated by other religions, or their fake is weak and they convert whereas other religion's dont.

I know Hindus do try and force people to abandon their religions - we have seen the pressure right wingers put on minorities, numerous examples of where hardliners make non Hindus chant hindu slogans.

However, they are generally unsuccessful in their own endevours and according to you succumb very easily when others ask them to convert.

What is your theory?

I guess you have answer for how are minorities able to convert people from majority. Strong faith, influence, Hindus having weak faith etc. But that's not the question.

I am asking about forced conversion incidents.

Why most of the forced conversion attempt are against Hindus in a Hindu majority country? If it Hindu minority nation, then it would have been understandable.

Are you saying people from other religions have more forced conversion attempts against Hindus because their faith is strong?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I agree that problem lies with Hindus but in a different way. Mosques and Churches are not under The Religious Endowments Act, only temples are. Thus the funds collected from Hindu temples are not used for upliftment of Hindu society at large where as the funds collected from Mosques and churches are used to uplift their communities. No wonder people are converting away from Hinduism.

How many hindus have challenged the Religious endowment act?

Recently the Andhra government passed an order that will authorise them to take away 50cr rupees from the tirupati Temple every year.

Has anyone challenged it in the court?

 

[kumjsr]

Whatever the majority of the Indian wish to do they can, I have no say in it, but if the destruction of the mosque is needed with the help of marginalizing and dehumanizing the largest minority of India then Hindus need to consider collectively introspect because in 2022 Hindus (Hindutva) trying to justify to marginalize and dehumanize the largest majority but after going through this thread it seems most Hindutva are pretty okay with current India.

This going to be perpetual and it seems the only way it will end when all of the Muslims of India either are totally subjugated or do not exist in India. Collective subjugation of Muslims in India can't last and Hindutva love their $$$ too much so mass genocide won't happen.

Anyway, no need to give more air to this thread, which has only one purpose, justifying what is happening in India at the hands of majority.

I am out.

I am not asking what's your personal opinion.

A temple existed at place what is considered to be birthplace of Lord Krishna. It was damaged and looted multiple times and a moque was created.

What's your opinion? Should people of other religion give the temple back to Hindus as it is one of the holiest site for them? Why isn't that right thing to do?

Or do you expect Hindus to not try to get the temple back? If you think that would that be wrong, then why do you think so?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Mathura which is considered birthplace of Lord Krishna had a temple and it was regulary looted and destroyed to built mosque in 17th century. The temple was reconstructed and mosque still exists.

Maybe we can accept that those were barbaric times when these things happened.

Don't you think that Hindus should get back one of their holiest site in modern times?

Hindus won the court case in Allahabad highcourt twice in 1935 and it was ruled that the land belongs to Rai kishore das and not the mosque.

Till 1944 no one took any initiative on it.Only in 1944 did JK Birla and J D dalmia acquired the land to build a temple. They formed a trust to manage the temple administration.

Congress in 1968 the govt made a new trust and that trust headed by a congi politician signed an agreement to give the right to the mosque to function. Why didn't hindus protest?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I guess you have answer for how are minorities able to convert people from majority. Strong faith, influence, Hindus having weak faith etc. But that's not the question.

I am asking about forced conversion incidents.

Why most of the forced conversion attempt are against Hindus in a Hindu majority country? If it Hindu minority nation, then it would have been understandable.

Are you saying people from other religions have more forced conversion attempts against Hindus because their faith is strong?

I don't know is my honest answer.

I don't know why Hindus can be forced to convert in record number.

I gave a theory but its probably off the mark since I'm not a hindu. Can you please educate me as to why hindus are forced to convert and why they oblige?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Well no.

Certain missionaries do this kind of forced conversions to get more funds from overseas donors. The more the number of christians the more funds they get. Hence they use coercion.

The kind of people who do the kind of acts thats described in the OP are the same who killed cartoonists in europe and beheaded a teacher in France.

Not saying the bolded is true but its an argument that at least makes some sense.

But then what that got to do with the honour killing and the other disparate crimes?

 

[kumjsr]

I don't know is my honest answer.

I don't know why Hindus can be forced to convert in record number.

I gave a theory but its probably off the mark since I'm not a hindu. Can you please educate me as to why hindus are forced to convert and why they oblige?

Fair enough. Since you're not Hindu and probably don't live in India so you might not know this.

One possible explanation is that Hindus are tolerant towards this. Otherwise nowhere in world you will see any place where minitories will try to force majority to convert even in 21st century.

Another possible explanation is that there was no widespread promotion of religious conversion and forcing for that.

Since you're a non-Hindu, then can you explain why do non-Hindus try to force Hindus for conversion? Why won't they leave Hindus to practice their faith peacefully?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Fair enough. Since you're not Hindu and probably don't live in India so you might not know this.

One possible explanation is that Hindus are tolerant towards this. Otherwise nowhere in world you will see any place where minitories will try to force majority to convert even in 21st century.

Another possible explanation is that there was no widespread promotion of religious conversion and forcing for that.

Since you're a non-Hindu, then can you explain why do non-Hindus try to force Hindus for conversion? Why won't they leave Hindus to practice their faith peacefully?

How are minorities forcing Hindus to convert? Are they holding guns to their heads?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not saying the bolded is true but its an argument that at least makes some sense.

But then what that got to do with the honour killing and the other disparate crimes?

Murderers. No doubt.

 

[cricketjoshila]

How are minorities forcing Hindus to convert? Are they holding guns to their heads?

There are various means of coercion other than holding a gun to the head.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There are various means of coercion other than holding a gun to the head.

It's a euphomism, not meant to be taken literally. But if your assertion is that minorities in general are forcing Hindus in general to forcibly convert, then you need to show that is happening in general. Posting up individual stories is not a convincing argument, it actually makes your own slant look dubious.

 

[LaLoco]

LOL - how weak are Hindus that a minority of 200 million can convert majority of 800 million on a mass scale despite having a PM who is a follower of Hindutva, hijacking of 80% Indian media both entertainment and news media, public humiliations and killing of Muslims.

As it has been said, marginalizing and dehumanizing of anyone who isn't Hindu - the new India, let me grab my popcorn as we watch the show of self destroying the country in order to claim it back as a Hindu India.

By the way, nothing wrong in claiming back India as a Hindu India but why do ya'll have to build that foundation on hate, marginalizing and dehumanize every other minority?

 

[Major]

Interfaith love affair: Hindu youth found dead

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.de...ve-affair-hindu-youth-found-dead-1043529.html

Doesnt ur pm have issue and gave it a name called love jihad?

You problem doesnt seems to be with communal violence but hindu people dieing at the hands of muslims.

Even you dont view your country as indians first and believe in communalism

 

[kumjsr]

LOL - how weak are Hindus that a minority of 200 million can convert majority of 800 million on a mass scale despite having a PM who is a follower of Hindutva, hijacking of 80% Indian media both entertainment and news media, public humiliations and killing of Muslims.

As it has been said, marginalizing and dehumanizing of anyone who isn't Hindu - the new India, let me grab my popcorn as we watch the show of self destroying the country in order to claim it back as a Hindu India.

By the way, nothing wrong in claiming back India as a Hindu India but why do ya'll have to build that foundation on hate, marginalizing and dehumanize every other minority?

Kudos! Instead of trying to think why attackers are doing so, you have ended up shaming victims when they try to remain peaceful.

Answers the question why it happens.

No wonder attackers, fanatics are glorified and they are seen as the one who coerced weak Hindus who have been trying to follow their own faith for centuries instead of forcing others to convert.

Unfortunately that's been the nature of religion and Hindus. They had two options - either to fight back or kill themselves to avoid change of religion.

Modern times, they are still being attacked and forced. But those options are no longer available as it will be considered as marginalization and dehumanization of minorities by people who are support attackers and are proud of them.

 

[kumjsr]

It's a euphomism, not meant to be taken literally. But if your assertion is that minorities in general are forcing Hindus in general to forcibly convert, then you need to show that is happening in general. Posting up individual stories is not a convincing argument, it actually makes your own slant look dubious.

Those stories are evidence of the same.

How Hindus suffer everywhere.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1098452

WASHINGTON: An estimated one thousand Christian and Hindu women are forced to convert and marry Muslim men in Pakistan every year, says a report released on Monday.

According to a report by the Movement for Solidarity and Peace in Pakistan, up to 700 of these women are Christian and 300 are Hindu.

Two held for ‘forcing over 1,000 religious conversions’ in UP

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

There are stories of planned, systematic conversions from all over the India for decades. Been going on for centuries and hasn't stopped in magically just because India gained independence.

Is there any country in world where majority are being forced to convert?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Those stories are evidence of the same.

How Hindus suffer everywhere.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1098452



Two held for ‘forcing over 1,000 religious conversions’ in UP

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

There are stories of planned, systematic conversions from all over the India for decades. Been going on for centuries and hasn't stopped in magically just because India gained independence.

Is there any country in world where majority are being forced to convert?

The first link is not about India ( topic in question) and the last one is just some nonsense story about conversion missionary style, I didn't see anything about forced conversion.

This is a pointless debate, as others have said, if hindus are being forced to convert where they are a massive majority, then it points only to their own weakness. No wonder the British ruled them for two centuries with barely a couple of regiments.

 

[Local.Dada]

No wonder the British ruled them for two centuries with barely a couple of regiments.

This is a new history lesson for me. The British ruled only the meek Hindus?

 

[kumjsr]

This is a new history lesson for me. The British ruled only the meek Hindus?

It's true to some extent.

As Indian subcontinent was attacked by invaders consistently from north west, weakest Hindus converted to other religions.

Those who were relatively stronger or were farther from attacks remained Hindus.

In addition to that religion was also brought in other parts through different routes and force/influence changed Hindus.

Later British ruled them and most of them were either Hindus or Hindus who converted to different religions.

 

[kumjsr]

The first link is not about India ( topic in question) and the last one is just some nonsense story about conversion missionary style, I didn't see anything about forced conversion.

This is a pointless debate, as others have said, if hindus are being forced to convert where they are a massive majority, then it points only to their own weakness. No wonder the British ruled them for two centuries with barely a couple of regiments.

The first link is not about India ( topic in question) and the last one is just some nonsense story about conversion missionary style, I didn't see anything about forced conversion.

This is a pointless debate, as others have said, if hindus are being forced to convert where they are a massive majority, then it points only to their own weakness. No wonder the British ruled them for two centuries with barely a couple of regiments.

To some extent yes. It points out to the weakness. There are no ifs there. A religious community which have been persecuted for centuries in the subcontinent. Faith has been attacked multiple times.

One of the example that I mentioned earlier about Kashi Vishwanath temple which is considered one of the holiest Shiva temple.

12th century - Destroyed by rulers by minorities
13th century - Rebuilt
15th century - Destroyed again by rulers by minorities
16th century - Rebuilt
17th century - destroyed and Gyanvapi mosque built by minorities
18th century - A temple built adjacent to the mosque.

What should Hindus do to get back the area and the temple? Any option which would also not feel like Hindus are weak and also won't raise questions of minorities being discriminated?

Mathura Krishna Janmasthan temple - Place where Lord Krishna was born
11th century - looted by minorities, temples burnt and demolished.
12th century - Temples rebuilt
17th century - Temple destroyed and Shahi Eidgah built by minorities
19th century - British sold the land, Hindus purchased it.
20th century - Temple rebuilt and mosque stands next to it

Those who are demanding to get back holy sites back are labelled extremists.
Party supporting this is labelled as fascist.
Demand is considered as discrimination on minorities.
Indian secularism will be laughed at.

And all this when they want to go through legal route.

What is other option which won't be sign of weakness and also not percieved as discrimination?

Problem is Hindus are neither used to showing religious strength nor have been fanatic to force bring people from other religions to Hinduism by force. They have relied on protecting their faith from attacks. Even in modern times, they are on guilt trip and hence not still struggling to defend their faith.