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Kohli 149 at Edgbaston | Team score: 274 | Second highest score: 26 | Where does this knock rank?

KingKhanWC said:
All am I asking is for you to show me some quotes? Surely you must of read of some who compare Cook with Kohli saying Cook is not as good? Or are you making this up?
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Next you will ask if any expert compared Younis Khan or Babbar Azam with Kohli and called Kohli the better batsman.Right?
 
He's truly a brilliant batsman but you didn't need a performance in ENG to know that.

Today was an absolute masterclass in managing the tail and pressure.
 
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1) he is really really hungry for success and 2) he is very fit and works hard on it..

There is no alternative to those two qualities in the modern sport. He has the drive to succeed and only brilliant bowling and fielding would have dislodged him. This is where Kohli towers about Tendulkar. When Kohli enters the field, you can tell he is breathing for the team. Tendulkar just seemed content on achieving personal milestones and basking in the glory. Kohli would probably trade person balm glory for team success without a second thought, is my impression.
 
KingKhanWC said:
He scored 130 in the second innings not the first, so it wasn't as flat you as you claim. In the second innings no Indian crossed 50, thats how flat it was. lol

<B>He has a better record in India, than Kohli has in England</B>.
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Indians suffered a collapse. Either way, it was indeed the flattest track of the season and a quality player can make a hundred on it. His overall performance was mediocre in that series. He averages 35.

Not sure what are you trying to illustrate with the bold part. It is like saying Kohli record in Australia is better than Ponting record in India.
 
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Seems like a special knock and finally correct that record of his. Tip my hat off to him

Wish I could watch this series...
 
Great innings by Virat but deeply concerned about the lack of fight from the rest of the top order. Even if one batsman had scored a 50, India would have gone past 300.
 
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I don't rate this knock as highly as others here. He edged 5 potential catches before he made his 50. England had him out repeatedly but put down catches over and over again. They let him off the hook. Only when they were all burnt out, and putting all their effort into getting the other batsmen out, did Kohli counter attack some tired and lackluster bowling
 
TestMatch said:
I don't rate this knock as highly as others here. He edged 5 potential catches before he made his 50. England had him out repeatedly but put down catches over and over again. They let him off the hook. Only when they were all burnt out, and putting all their effort into getting the other batsmen out, did Kohli counter attack some tired and lackluster bowling
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2 catches. second one was tougher. Others fell well short. Stop making up stories. YOu do know very reason you ride out tough phase is to attack later. I am not sure how much test cricket you have watched.
 
TestMatch said:
I don't rate this knock as highly as others here. He edged 5 potential catches before he made his 50. England had him out repeatedly but put down catches over and over again. They let him off the hook. Only when they were all burnt out, and putting all their effort into getting the other batsmen out, did Kohli counter attack some tired and lackluster bowling
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Is it Kohli's fault that England dropped catches?
 
That one hour after lunch was super tough with the clouds coming in and both Clouderson and Stokes swinging it.

Any knock in such conditions will always have a lot of chances, just like Smith's in India in the first 2 tests where he was almost out half a dozen times.
 
TestMatch said:
I don't rate this knock as highly as others here. He edged 5 potential catches before he made his 50. England had him out repeatedly but put down catches over and over again. They let him off the hook. Only when they were all burnt out, and putting all their effort into getting the other batsmen out, did Kohli counter attack some tired and lackluster bowling
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That's an exaggeration.

There were two proper chances and only the second was a regulation catch. You can't tarnish an innings in England because it wasn't chanceless.

Especially with IND sitting at 100-5 and later 182-8.
 
People need to stop downplaying this knock because of two dropped catches.

A dropped catch did not stop Steve Waugh or Sachin from winning the WC for their teams.

A dropped catch did not stop Lara from producing the greatest Test knock as ranked by Wisden.

A dropped catch did not stop KP from saving and thus effectively winning the Ashes for England after sixteen years.

You Make Your Own Luck.

As the saying goes, “fortune favors the brave” and Kohli surely showed everyone who the grown folk was today. :shh
 
ManFan said:
People need to stop downplaying this knock because of two dropped catches.

A dropped catch did not stop Steve Waugh or Sachin from winning the WC for their teams.

A dropped catch did not stop Lara from producing the greatest Test knock as ranked by Wisden.

A dropped catch did not stop KP from saving and thus effectively winning the Ashes for England after sixteen years.

You Make Your Own Luck.

As the saying goes, “fortune favors the brave” and Kohli surely showed everyone who the grown folk was today. :shh
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Well said.
 
Nobody is saying that it wasn’t a top quality innings because a couple of chances are given, however a condition of an undisputed ATG innings has usually been that the batsman does not give the opposition a sniff of taking their wicket throughout, so in my opinion Kohli’s is a top quality innings, but not an ATG innings like say Gooch against West Indies (a chanceless 154* out of 252 in difficult conditions).
 
This knock truly shows that Indian team is a one man show. Its either Kohli or bust. This tells us that India does not deserves to be the top test team and hopefully it would be shown in this series.
 
Slim said:
This knock truly shows that Indian team is a one man show. Its either Kohli or bust. This tells us that India does not deserves to be the top test team and hopefully it would be shown in this series.
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Then otger teams are not even one man show because indian cricket team is n.o 1 test team consistently in the world for years now and the difference between india and second ranked team is huge and even if india loose this test series by 5-0,still india wud be at n.o 1.

Even one player perform or 11 performs,results matter and the result is consistent n.o 1 ranking over the years .
Its not like n.o 7 team we are talking about.
 
Stewie said:
1) he is really really hungry for success and 2) he is very fit and works hard on it..

There is no alternative to those two qualities in the modern sport. He has the drive to succeed and only brilliant bowling and fielding would have dislodged him. This is where Kohli towers about Tendulkar. When Kohli enters the field, you can tell he is breathing for the team. Tendulkar just seemed content on achieving personal milestones and basking in the glory. Kohli would probably trade person balm glory for team success without a second thought, is my impression.
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Lmao, this is exactly what Sachin was in his first decade in cricket and why he gathered such a huge fan following. It was only after he became so big and then lost his form that people started to make these baseless accusations. Hecks this is a guy who used to hide in the bathroom crying when india lost after his 100, like the chennai test
 
He had two lives and he had he good fortune to bat after ten weeks of constant sunshine and heat since the Pakistan Tests.

When Babar Azam has his arm broken the wickets were still soft and full of lateral movement off the seam.

Babar is back batting now, which shows how many weeks of sunshine have burned away the live grass and made batting easier.

England swung it nicely, but May and June were all about batting against seam and swing. Now there’s only swing to worry about.
 
I would add that this is why the geriatric Misbah and Younis scored runs in late summer in 2016.

It’s much, much easier for batsmen with technical flaws against lateral movement to bat in England in August rather than May.

Especially at the end of the hottest, dryest summer for 42 years.
 
It’s all about the runs and wickets on board at the end of the day. Nobody remembers how lucky or unlucky you were. This is test cricket you grab your chances and don’t throw it away. Whether it is an ATG/wisdon category knock is purely subjective. I think Tendulkar vs Pakistan in Chennai test 1999 was a superior test knock to Lara vs Aussies. Pound for pound the Pakistani bowling in that test was a tougher challenge than Aussies were for Lara and Lara was not fighting a second battle with severe back ache. But wisden has no regard for the Tendulkar effort. As if anybody cares though. Purely subjective
 
Top knock under pressure...best bowlers bowling..swinging condition...with tailenders....simply great innings..
 
Mainul said:
He has all the ingredients to get pass Tendulkar.But age is not by his side.

Just awesome.Easily the greatest of his generation.
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He's better than Sachin, in every form. His 100's per match in both ODIs and Tests so far ahead of Tendu. Second only to Bradman in cricket history, and matched in his generation only by Smith. He may not play as long as Sachin, and for his longevity, the Little Master deserves credit, but it also flatters him unduly.
 
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His knock was very good but let's be honest here, the fact that he got so lucky with some edges not carrying and dropped chances has severely degraded the quality of his knock.
 
AssassinatedDevil said:
His knock was very good but let's be honest here, the fact that he got so lucky with some edges not carrying and dropped chances has severely degraded the quality of his knock.
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Indians could say the same about Fakhar Zaman. Difference is one was batting against a duke ball in overcast conditions facing barrage of swing every over and the other was batting in clear skies against a white kookaburra with no swing whatsoever.
 
AssassinatedDevil said:
His knock was very good but let's be honest here, the fact that he got so lucky with some edges not carrying and dropped chances has severely degraded the quality of his knock.
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Edges not carrying is called playing with soft hands, and one of the chances was a half chance. A lot of great batting and bowling performances have come with some luck, and that's part of the game.
 
He is doing it again for India in second inning.

What a champion
 
AssassinatedDevil said:
His knock was very good but let's be honest here, the fact that he got so lucky with some edges not carrying and dropped chances has severely degraded the quality of his knock.
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Steve Smith was dropped 6 times in his 100 in that Pune test but it was rightly regarded as a great 100.
 
Kohli has that ruthless which SRT didnt had. He can score 500-600 runs in a 4 test series on several occasion which SRT never did.
 
Swashbuckler said:
Steve Smith was dropped 6 times in his 100 in that Pune test but it was rightly regarded as a great 100.
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Steve smith batted on much harder rank turner. Kohli batted on good batting track but in overcast conditions. Pune track was much harder than this one to play imo but both were dropped/edged many times.
 
I was an armchair critic of VK when he was owned by the English during last tour.

But this time... scoring a (potentially Insha'Allah) matchwinning 100 is an extraordinary innings. Especially when you consider that all other batsmen have failed miserably (Root aside).

If India close this one tomorrow, which they easily should :srt this will be one of his best ever!

Virat Kohli is half man half amazing. Respect is earned, as they say! 💪

Also, good to see Ishant doing fine. Underappreciated and underrated at PP.
 
AssassinatedDevil said:
His knock was very good but let's be honest here, the fact that he got so lucky with some edges not carrying and dropped chances has severely degraded the quality of his knock.
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I'd say the same thing if it were a Pakistani batsman: not his fault. It's part of game. As are inside edges of umpiring blunders!
 
AssassinatedDevil said:
His knock was very good but let's be honest here, the fact that he got so lucky with some edges not carrying and dropped chances has severely degraded the quality of his knock.
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This is England. Those things are bound to happen across any lengthy innings.
 
AssassinatedDevil said:
His knock was very good but let's be honest here, the fact that he got so lucky with some edges not carrying and dropped chances has severely degraded the quality of his knock.
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Dropped catches degraded the quality a bit not severely.
Agree with what you are trying to say in remaining part.
 
A good knock but not the best considering two catches were dropped. He was incredibly lucky. The first half of his inning was very poor but there is no doubt, the second half was splendid.
 
The_Odd_One said:
A good knock but not the best considering two catches were dropped. He was incredibly lucky. The first half of his inning was very poor but there is no doubt, the second half was splendid.
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OK so i asked this question to someone else but he didn't reply to me so i hope that you will. How is it Kohli's fault that England dropped catches?
 
Rahul1 said:
OK so i asked this question to someone else but he didn't reply to me so i hope that you will. How is it Kohli's fault that England dropped catches?
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It's not his fault but dropped catches degrade the quality of an inning. That's why I said that the first half of his inning was nothing special but the second was just splendid.
 
Best batsman in the world. But he has to plough on for the next 4 tests. I still rate Smith above him in tests but as an overall cricketer I'd take Kohli.

Cocky human being though. Don't like him.
 
I was at Edgbaston with my son on Thursday. It was a privilege to watch one of the greatest knocks I’ve ever seen. A master batsman. Easily the best in the world.
 
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