Komodo Dragons, Cheetahs: Ambanis To Set Up World's Largest Zoo In Gujarat

[MenInG]

Komodo dragons, cheetahs and birds: It's just the latest project for Asia's richest family.
The Ambanis are building one of the world's biggest zoos in Gujarat, the family's home state where its conglomerate, Reliance Industries Ltd., operates the largest oil-refining complex. The animal venture, which will also include a rescue center to support the local government, is scheduled to open in 2023, according to Parimal Nathwani, corporate affairs director at Reliance.

A Reliance representative declined to comment on the cost of the project or give further details.

The Ambanis are worth about $80 billion, with an empire that has expanded to tech and e-commerce. On the side, they also own the Mumbai Indians cricket team and started a soccer league in 2014. As the family fortune grew, the clan has increased its focus on public-facing ventures - Mukesh's wife, Nita, even joined the board of New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art in 2019.

"They have the economic horsepower to turn fantasy into reality," said Rebecca Gooch, director of research at Campden Wealth, referring to why billionaires might put their cash into quirky ventures. "Investing in public spaces can help both a family's and its company's image, in turn aiding profitability and mitigating potentially negative exposure. It can also affirm a wealth holder's standing in society and publicly cement a family's legacy well into the future."

Here's a look at some unusual investments the ultra-rich have made over the years.

More zoos, crocodiles and parks

Indonesian tycoon Low Tuck Kwong is another one who's built a zoo, near the coal mining company that's made his fortune. He said the venture, in which he invested about $4 million, isn't driven by profit and is out of "passion for animals." Georgia's richest man and former prime minister, Bidzina Ivanishvili, reportedly spent at least $3 million in a dendrological park that drew criticism as phantasmagorical scenes of giant trees floating on the Black Sea circulated online.

Filipino billionaire William Belo got into crocodiles because of a poultry problem. After starting an egg farm in 1989, he had to figure out what to do with the chickens that were no longer able to lay. The solution: feed them to crocodiles. His farm supplies their skins to luxury brands such as LVMH, while the meat goes into food products including Hungarian sausages and a local delicacy called sisig.

Sports teams

Like the Ambanis, other billionaires put their money in sports teams, too. Roman Abramovich, the biggest owner of Russia's second-largest steelmaker, bought London's Chelsea soccer club out of near-bankruptcy in 2003 for about $223 million at the time. Steve Ballmer, the former Microsoft Corp. chief executive officer, paid $2 billion for the Los Angeles Clippers basketball team in 2014. Four years later, hedge-fund titan David Tepper agreed to acquire the Carolina Panthers football team for $2.3 billion.

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[MenInG]

Why are people hell-bent on keeping animals in zoos?

Expected better from Ambanis.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Zoos are really not fashionable any more. Today's generations are much more conscious that animals should not be caged for the pleasure of ignorant masses. Would actually be more humane in the old days where you had tigers pitted against gladiators in Colosseum. At least that would be somewhat akin to putting them in a natural situation.

 

[Rajdeep]

Biggest Statue in the world - Gujrat

Biggest cricket stadium - Gujrat

Biggest zoo in the world - Gujrat

 

[gani999]

Why are people hell-bent on keeping animals in zoos?

Expected better from Ambanis.

Indian zoos have actually played a pivotal role in the conservation of many endangered species by acting as captive breeding centres. Species like the gharial crocodile, one horned rhinoceros and several others have been brought back from the brink of extinction as a result. I'm fairly certain this Ambani zoo will play a part in these efforts.

Although I cannot understand why they want to showcase a non-native species like the Komodo dragon.

 

[gani999]

Biggest Statue in the world - Gujrat

Biggest cricket stadium - Gujrat

Biggest zoo in the world - Gujrat

It's Gujarat

Gujrat is in Pakistan

 

[sweep_shot]

Zoos are pointless. It promotes animal cruelty.

Animals deserve to be free. They don't belong in zoos.

I hope Ambanis will reverse the decision.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I can see many violent bhakhts getting life time free memberships in this zoo.

 

[Bigboii]

Indian zoos have actually played a pivotal role in the conservation of many endangered species by acting as captive breeding centres. Species like the gharial crocodile, one horned rhinoceros and several others have been brought back from the brink of extinction as a result. I'm fairly certain this Ambani zoo will play a part in these efforts.

Although I cannot understand why they want to showcase a non-native species like the Komodo dragon.

can do the same in safaris while being better for animals...

 

[JaDed]

Its his son who is crazy and owns this zoo. Rich Kids and their stupidity knows no bounds.
I came to know about this plan of his last year itself from someone within the company and they were irritated as well.

Also people that eat meat shouldn’t give a lecture on animal cruelty.

 

[JaDed]

can do the same in safaris while being better for animals...

We are unfortunately 1billion ppl so poaching is easy in those scenarios .. but i hope with future drones capability it would be easy to go that way.

But I agree Indian Forest Service pays well too so am hoping we can get this done and go that way.

 

[Vegitto1]

Biggest Statue in the world - Gujrat

Biggest cricket stadium - Gujrat

Biggest zoo in the world - Gujrat

I am sure if Ambanis put those responsible for Gujarat riots in their zoo then it would be a bigger and better attraction

 

[sweep_shot]

Also people that eat meat shouldn’t give a lecture on animal cruelty.

If eating meat is done due to a good reason (protein, vitamin B12, religious reason, hunger etc.), that should be fine.

Keeping them in zoos serves no purpose. That's definitely animal cruelty.

 

[Bigboii]

Its his son who is crazy and owns this zoo. Rich Kids and their stupidity knows no bounds.
I came to know about this plan of his last year itself from someone within the company and they were irritated as well.

Also people that eat meat shouldn’t give a lecture on animal cruelty.

Tbh you are right We can't pretend to be "animal friendly" while eating meat cause its kinds ignorant

The biggest animal cruelty taking place in the world are those meat plants truly horrific things they do to animals
but it's addiction I don't think I can stop eating meat... tastes too good

 

[Rajdeep]

Being an animal lover, I agree with the overall sentiment though that Zoos and cages should be banned. National parks and sancurities are the best.

 

[JaDed]

If eating meat is done due to a good reason (protein, vitamin B12, religious reason, hunger etc.), that should be fine.

Keeping them in zoos serves no purpose. That's definitely animal cruelty.

Hunger is the only humane reason , all other reasons as nonsense, also B12 can be gotten from egg you don’t have to kill the animal.

Lol@Protein there are enough vegan sources of protein , don’t give a lecture on zoo now.

 

[JaDed]

Tbh you are right We can't pretend to be "animal friendly" while eating meat cause its kinds ignorant

The biggest animal cruelty taking place in the world are those meat plants truly horrific things they do to animals
but it's addiction I don't think I can stop eating meat... tastes too good

I wouldn’t force my parents to stop eating either, it takes a lot of will power to change and find replacements.. after trying for 5 years is when i finally figured it out- now been vegetarian 11 years.

I still can’t go Vegan ,neither have the will to do the same but am glad all liberal girls/women are creating that change more power to them.

 

[MP2011]

If eating meat is done due to a good reason (protein, vitamin B12, religious reason, hunger etc.), that should be fine.

Lol at excuses to kill hapless animals.

 

[MP2011]

Hunger is the only humane reason , all other reasons as nonsense, also B12 can be gotten from egg you don’t have to kill the animal.

Lol@Protein there are enough vegan sources of protein , don’t give a lecture on zoo now.

Yeah, there is no difference between this guy and Ambanis as far as cruelty towards animals is concerned.

 

[Slog]

Lol this is gonna be pretty funny when I meet my Modi-obsessed Gujarati friend next time.

The guy is always giving lectures on how he is morally superior than ‘Americans’ and that there shouldn’t be zoos or animals kept even as pet. He also claims that his love for animals is due to him following Modi and if he had to save a dying animal or a human he’d pick an animal. But he is also the types who would support Modi even if Modi shot a guy on live TV. So the mental gymnastic will be fun to watch
.

 

[Slog]

I wouldn’t force my parents to stop eating either, it takes a lot of will power to change and find replacements.. after trying for 5 years is when i finally figured it out- now been vegetarian 11 years.

I still can’t go Vegan ,neither have the will to do the same but am glad all liberal girls/women are creating that change more power to them.

Yea meat eating isn’t going away and vast majority of liberal girls also eat meat. I’d confidently say >90% would be that member (Assuming you talking about America)

 

[Slog]

FACT: >95% Indians who are vegetarian aren’t due to moral reasons or some special love for animals. They are due to their religion and culture plain and simple.

 

[JaDed]

Yea meat eating isn’t going away and vast majority of liberal girls also eat meat. I’d confidently say >90% would be that member (Assuming you talking about America)

I’m not an idealistic person , I know its not, I just want the awareness of what happens and what we are doing to the animal.

American Liberals are more vegan than Indian Liberals- probably because the right wing in India is vegetarian.

 

[Slog]

I’m not an idealistic person , I know its not, I just want the awareness of what happens and what we are doing to the animal.

American Liberals are more vegan than Indian Liberals- probably because the right wing in India is vegetarian.

Less than 5% of American population is vegan or vegetarian.

 

[Slog]

I’m not an idealistic person , I know its not, I just want the awareness of what happens and what we are doing to the animal.

American Liberals are more vegan than Indian Liberals- probably because the right wing in India is vegetarian.

Why do you want to impose your religious beliefs on other people tho? What next? Muslims and Jews bandying up together to publicize the negative impacts of eating pork and why it should be banned? Tbh I’ve seen some Muslims do what I see a lot of Hindus do in terms of being vegetarian

 

[JaDed]

Less than 5% of American population is vegan or vegetarian.

Thats a huge number for America where 20 years ago Pizza was only vegetarian..

Also as I said before converting is not easy takes a lot of will, and Vegan is even tougher, but when they make this change they bring in an eco system change.- Beyond meat, Impossible and most franchises having vegan option is a big game changer.

I know many Indians that came in 2000s and due to lack to veg options turned to meat eaters.

I’m thankful that all this occurred before i came to States and I easily have vegan options everywhere, I would go as far as to say they are much more mindful here compared to back home in restaurants that serve meat and veg options.

 

[Bigboii]

Why do you want to impose your religious beliefs on other people tho? What next? Muslims and Jews bandying up together to publicize the negative impacts of eating pork and why it should be banned? Tbh I’ve seen some Muslims do what I see a lot of Hindus do in terms of being vegetarian

not everything has to be seen through the prism of religion...
Vegetarianism is a good thing for both animals and environment what's the point of bringing religion into it?

 

[Slog]

not everything has to be seen through the prism of religion...
Vegetarianism is a good thing for both animals and environment what's the point of bringing religion into it?

Most Indians who promote vegetarianism do it because their religion looks at it favorably. There is no genuinely moral reason asides from religion behind it.

 

[JaDed]

Why do you want to impose your religious beliefs on other people tho? What next? Muslims and Jews bandying up together to publicize the negative impacts of eating pork and why it should be banned? Tbh I’ve seen some Muslims do what I see a lot of Hindus do in terms of being vegetarian

What am I imposing? I feel you are over reacting, my parents eat meat.I haven’t read enough religious scriptures that disallow meat either but again i rarely have read much about Hindu texts , I just try to have faith.

Also whats wrong with awareness I just want people to be aware how animals -living beings are treated , I don’t see any issues with that.

Also have no issues if Muslims/jews want to showcase issues with alcohol, Pork etc .. I’m surprised you haven’t read those I see it all the time.

I haven’t converted for religious reasons ,it was my own choice and due to my family business which involved this.

 

[CanadianG00se]

If eating meat is done due to a good reason (protein, vitamin B12, religious reason, hunger etc.), that should be fine.

Keeping them in zoos serves no purpose. That's definitely animal cruelty.

So, you’re completely fine with Halal way of slaughtering animal(s)? You know Halal way of slaughtering can be classified as animal cruelty. So, would you also oppose halal way of butchering animal or your morals take a backseat?

 

[Slog]

Thats a huge number for America where 20 years ago Pizza was only vegetarian..

Also as I said before converting is not easy takes a lot of will, and Vegan is even tougher, but when they make this change they bring in an eco system change.- Beyond meat, Impossible and most franchises having vegan option is a big game changer.

I know many Indians that came in 2000s and due to lack to veg options turned to meat eaters.

I’m thankful that all this occurred before i came to States and I easily have vegan options everywhere, I would go as far as to say they are much more mindful here compared to back home in restaurants that serve meat and veg options.

But man you’re missing out on great food and this coming from someone who’s ex was a vegetarian (among those liberals you mentioned) so I’ve tried pretty much everything veggie.

And unless you’re just hanging out with Indians; going out with friends and office folks probably becomes a challenge for sure if you’re in amerixa. How do you manage that?

 

[Bigboii]

But man you’re missing out on great food and this coming from someone who’s ex was a vegetarian (among those liberals you mentioned) so I’ve tried pretty much everything veggie.

And unless you’re just hanging out with Indians; going out with friends and office folks probably becomes a challenge for sure if you’re American. How do you manage that?

its a problem if you keep it halal in food/alcohol
so if you are a practising Muslim you must be facing similar problems?

In my experience people respect your choices and don't create unnecessary drama out of it, so thankfully it's not a big deal (cause I end up becoming a vegetarian in those situations)

 

[Slog]

As for thread. Zoos are fine even though I personally don’t care for them. I have reservations when animals are kept in small cages rather than given sprawling area like in Bronx zoo. Some animal species would be dead out in the wild and zoos have actually conserved many species.

 

[JaDed]

But man you’re missing out on great food and this coming from someone who’s ex was a vegetarian (among those liberals you mentioned) so I’ve tried pretty much everything veggie.

And unless you’re just hanging out with Indians; going out with friends and office folks probably becomes a challenge for sure if you’re in amerixa. How do you manage that?

I just came from a Ramen place - Ramen Mura ... they had amazing veg options and hot sauce..

It’s really easy , I was worried about the same as well before coming to states, so far its been a breeze and every year getting better and better with options.

I doubt rural America will be that easy though.

Also if you are talking like Wings place etc I’m sure you know they aren’t halal either.. so I doubt how you are managing it... My go to in those places is chilli cheese fries.. but I only go during some sport thingy at best..

 

[Slog]

its a problem if you keep it halal in food/alcohol
so if you are a practising Muslim you must be facing similar problems?

In my experience people respect your choices and don't create unnecessary drama out of it, so thankfully it's not a big deal (cause I end up becoming a vegetarian in those situations)

Yes obv people respect choices. But one should be confident and say it’s due to religious reasons rather than try to fake a ‘moral’ angle which is what I see a lot of people do own it dude!

 

[sweep_shot]

So, you’re completely fine with Halal way of slaughtering animal(s)? You know Halal way of slaughtering can be classified as animal cruelty. So, would you also oppose halal way of butchering animal or your morals take a backseat?

Religious reason is a pretty valid reason to me.

I oppose killing for no reason, however.

Regarding zoos, it is absolutely nonsense that there are still zoos in 21st century. It is cruel and pointless.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Biggest Statue in the world - Gujrat

Biggest cricket stadium - Gujrat

Biggest zoo in the world - Gujrat

Is Gujarat like Texas in US? As in the saying is everything's bigger in Texas. Does that apply to Gujarat?

 

[Slog]

I just came from a Ramen place - Ramen Mura ... they had amazing veg options and hot sauce..

It’s really easy , I was worried about the same as well before coming to states, so far its been a breeze and every year getting better and better with options.

I doubt rural America will be that easy though.

Also if you are talking like Wings place etc I’m sure you know they aren’t halal either.. so I doubt how you are managing it... My go to in those places is chilli cheese fries.. but I only go during some sport thingy at best..

I don’t follow zabiba strictly so no worries there. If it’s available great otherwise I’m fine anyway. A ramen place is obv a place which caters more to veggies by default.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Tbh you are right We can't pretend to be "animal friendly" while eating meat cause its kinds ignorant

The biggest animal cruelty taking place in the world are those meat plants truly horrific things they do to animals
but it's addiction I don't think I can stop eating meat... tastes too good

Do you think if vegans see a roach or mouse in their house they wont kill it?

All their love for animals will be gone then.

 

[JaDed]

I don’t follow zabiba strictly so no worries there. If it’s available great otherwise I’m fine anyway. A ramen place is obv a place which caters more to veggies by default.

Do you say the same to many Pakistanis as well then that they are missing out on so much tasty food due to halal/alcohol restrictions?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

So, you’re completely fine with Halal way of slaughtering animal(s)? You know Halal way of slaughtering can be classified as animal cruelty. So, would you also oppose halal way of butchering animal or your morals take a backseat?

Yes, even though i dont care if the meat is halal or not.

Their is no really humane way of killing animals, especially on a mass scale. Halal is no better or worse than others.

 

[Bigboii]

Do you think if vegans see a roach or mouse in their house they wont kill it?

All their love for animals will be gone then.

dude this is just
wow

killing a cockroach to criticising the way animals are being treated in meat "factories" is a completely false equivalence
look at the documentaries on thier treatment you would atleast be sympathetic to thier cause

It's not a shot at meat eating in general but at industrial meat complex

also it was addressed towards the hypocrisy of being caring towards animals while we are actively taking part in animal cruelty by eating meat in devolved countries (where meat industrial complex is in full swing rn)

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Thats a huge number for America where 20 years ago Pizza was only vegetarian..

Also as I said before converting is not easy takes a lot of will, and Vegan is even tougher, but when they make this change they bring in an eco system change.- Beyond meat, Impossible and most franchises having vegan option is a big game changer.

I know many Indians that came in 2000s and due to lack to veg options turned to meat eaters.

I’m thankful that all this occurred before i came to States and I easily have vegan options everywhere, I would go as far as to say they are much more mindful here compared to back home in restaurants that serve meat and veg options.

Yes i agree with this. I have had impossible burgers and they taste just like beef imo.

 

[Bigboii]

Yes, even though i dont care if the meat is halal or not.

Their is no really humane way of killing animals, especially on a mass scale. Halal is no better or worse than others.

biggest cruelty is thier quality of lives (especially in devolved countries)
the way they are slaughtered is almost an insignificant issue if we are looking at it from a big picture pov

 

[Bigboii]

[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] I think posters are confusing your vegetarianism to your relgious beliefs

you know what time it is

time to come out as an "Hindu atheists" like our resident hindutava trolls

 

[JaDed]

[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] I think posters are confusing your vegetarianism to your relgious beliefs

you know what time it is

time to come out as an "Hindu atheists" like our resident hindutava trolls

I know who you are talking about .. Its hard being an atheist..

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

dude this is just
wow

killing a cockroach to criticising the way animals are being treated in meat "factories" is a completely false equivalence
look at the documentaries on thier treatment you would atleast be sympathetic to thier cause

It's not a shot at meat eating in general but at industrial meat complex

also it was addressed towards the hypocrisy of being caring towards animals while we are actively taking part in animal cruelty by eating meat in devolved countries (where meat industrial complex is in full swing rn)

The point was that we meat eaters should not have to feel one bit guilty, about eating meat. And that we can still care for animals while eating meat.

I just dont want lectures from the vegans and vegetarians, that we cant comment on animal cruelty, as they would kill roaches and mice with no problem. So if we are hypocrites then so are they.

With that said I agree the meat industry complex should be run better.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

biggest cruelty is thier quality of lives (especially in devolved countries)
the way they are slaughtered is almost an insignificant issue if we are looking at it from a big picture pov

I saw this video on what Halal slaughter should be like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quhVxLUwiBw

This would be great if all Halal meat was slaughtered this way, but its not commercially possible.

 

[gani999]

can do the same in safaris while being better for animals...

Most Indian zoos have safari parks where the animals run free. Even those that don't have very large enclosures for the big animals.

I'd urge you to visit an Indian zoo if ever you can. They aren't that bad.

 

[JaDed]

The point was that we meat eaters should not have to feel one bit guilty, about eating meat. And that we can still care for animals while eating meat.

I just dont want lectures from the vegans and vegetarians, that we cant comment on animal cruelty, as they would kill roaches and mice with no problem. So if we are hypocrites then so are they.

With that said I agree the meat industry complex should be run better.

I had this discussion once on mosquitos as well, what I inferred was that if we are being harmed I’m (personally)ok with killing

In all honesty I would support if humans that wanted meat hunted it as well, that way they will respect the kill.

Have you met any orthodox Jains? They don’t kill anything, and some of them don’t even filter water due to bacteria, few of them sweep the floor while walking so no insect dies.

 

[Slog]

Do you say the same to many Pakistanis as well then that they are missing out on so much tasty food due to halal/alcohol restrictions?

Lol yea I do

And then say ok let’s fine alternative halal place which could serve same thing if not 100% same quality

 

[Slog]

Yes i agree with this. I have had impossible burgers and they taste just like beef imo.

Honestly they don’t. I had beyond meat pasta the other day and have had several burdgers.

They don’t taste the same but they definitely taste good. Like I would have no problem Having it and not one of those who are snobby about it not being real beef.

 

[JaDed]

Lol yea I do

And then say ok let’s fine alternative halal place which could serve same thing if not 100% same quality

And vegans are trying for the same.. vegetarians have their own recipes..

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I had this discussion once on mosquitos as well, what I inferred was that if we are being harmed I’m (personally)ok with killing

In all honesty I would support if humans that wanted meat hunted it as well, that way they will respect the kill.

Have you met any orthodox Jains? They don’t kill anything, and some of them don’t even filter water due to bacteria, few of them sweep the floor while walking so no insect dies.

Do all Jains do this? Like they wont kill a lizard, mouse, roaches?

If they do, then certainly they have the right to give lectures to others. And they deserve a lot of respect.

However i just went on Quora and saw this

https://www.quora.com/Do-Jains-kill-mosquitoes-rats-cockroaches-and-other-pests

So at least some of them do. And if i had to guess i would say the majority of them would kill pests. I meant their really is no other way.

In all honesty I would support if humans that wanted meat hunted it as well, that way they will respect the kill.

I would say its the opposite. The meat eaters who dont hunt respect the animals more than the hunters. The hunters, especially the Trophy hunters, do it out of sport.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Do you say the same to many Pakistanis as well then that they are missing out on so much tasty food due to halal/alcohol restrictions?

No cause i dont want a lecture from them, or to hear them try to attempt to shame me.

 

[Slog]

Lol yea I do

And then say ok let’s fine alternative halal place which could serve same thing if not 100% same quality

Also [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] my annoyance (is actually a pet peeve) is when religious people (Hindus, Muslims with pork etc) follow a practice but then are sheepish (dunno why) about admitting that they do it due to religious belief and then try to ascribe some moral awakening behind that decision... every Hindu vegetarian I’ve ever met and talked about this says he is vegetarian due to moral issues and not due to religion. Surely some of them are due to religious reason rather than moral awakening. Like dude just own it. It’s this weird thing where in the West they don’t wanna be seen as religious (because Tim their minds they think that Americans think it’s uncool) but also want to follow said religious practices.. this is for people who came over (don’t see it in ABCD/)

An example: In undergrad (from my experience) half of the Indian international students freshman year were vegetarian. And in orientation and first few weeks people would ask why they don’t eat meat? (back then vegetarianism was even less than now). Almost all said moral reasoning, don’t wanna hurt animals etc etc. In undergrad in a small college town in America it much much more harder to be veggie than what you would have faced. So a few months in all these kids were eating meat (some beef too) and I was like why did you guys make a song and dance about superior morals and whatnot lol when it was clearly religion/culture.

I’ve seen some Muslims do the same who point to random studies and whatnot about why pork is bad for you and then say this is why we should not eat it. Those studies may be true but let’s face it we don’t eat it due to Islam forbidding it; nothing else.

 

[Slog]

And vegans are trying for the same.. vegetarians have their own recipes..

You can find a halal steak place. Good luck with vegan or veggie steak houses.

Anyways I personally have no issue. What I’d say to veggies is that Just keep the lecturing and moral angle to yourself and get out of my way. I don’t go around asking anyone to eat meat lol.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Honestly they don’t. I had beyond meat pasta the other day and have had several burdgers.

They don’t taste the same but they definitely taste good. Like I would have no problem Having it and not one of those who are snobby about it not being real beef.

beyond meat and impossible food are two different companies. Have you had it from both?

Beyond meat does not use heme, which i think is the main difference between the two.

 

[JaDed]

Also [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] my annoyance (is actually a pet peeve) is when religious people (Hindus, Muslims with pork etc) follow a practice but then are sheepish (dunno why) about admitting that they do it due to religious belief and then try to ascribe some moral awakening behind that decision... every Hindu vegetarian I’ve ever met and talked about this says he is vegetarian due to moral issues and not due to religion. Surely some of them are due to religious reason rather than moral awakening. Like dude just own it. It’s this weird thing where in the West they don’t wanna be seen as religious (because Tim their minds they think that Americans think it’s uncool) but also want to follow said religious practices.. this is for people who came over (don’t see it in ABCD/)

An example: In undergrad (from my experience) half of the Indian international students freshman year were vegetarian. And in orientation and first few weeks people would ask why they don’t eat meat? (back then vegetarianism was even less than now). Almost all said moral reasoning, don’t wanna hurt animals etc etc. In undergrad in a small college town in America it much much more harder to be veggie than what you would have faced. So a few months in all these kids were eating meat (some beef too) and I was like why did you guys make a song and dance about superior morals and whatnot lol when it was clearly religion/culture.

I’ve seen some Muslims do the same who point to random studies and whatnot about why pork is bad for you and then say this is why we should not eat it. Those studies may be true but let’s face it we don’t eat it due to Islam forbidding it; nothing else.

Yeah I got those lectures when I was a kid too from religious vegetarians probably delayed my vegetarianism by 5 years , I understand your point all I meant was you are overreacting to my post when I have clearly stated otherwise(also states in vegetarian thread of FC as well) and not imposing on anyone.

Moral angle here was coz Zoo.. which is what the thread was on and Sweep shot was criticizing it..

 

[CricketCartoons]

I would say its the opposite. The meat eaters who dont hunt respect the animals more than the hunters. The hunters, especially the Trophy hunters, do it out of sport.

Hunters play an important role in wildlife preservation. Only hunt in hunting seasons, and only the mature games.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The point was that we meat eaters should not have to feel one bit guilty, about eating meat. And that we can still care for animals while eating meat.

I just dont want lectures from the vegans and vegetarians, that we cant comment on animal cruelty, as they would kill roaches and mice with no problem. So if we are hypocrites then so are they.

With that said I agree the meat industry complex should be run better.

The point is that meat eaters should have their steak and eat it too.

 

[90MPH]

I was always fond of zoos as a kid until I stumbled upon watching an old film called born free (based on a true story) and realised how miserable lions were caged up. That film alone totally change my thinking.

But it’s also a fact that sometimes a zoo can only be the one protection barrier against poachers.

A sad situation all round, the fact that we have more tigers kept as pets in America than the combined population in the wild shows how little the human race doesn’t give a toss about animals.

 

[Slog]

beyond meat and impossible food are two different companies. Have you had it from both?

Beyond meat does not use heme, which i think is the main difference between the two.

Yea. Even though it is not 100% like
Beef, I liked taste of beyond meat more.

Impossible meat I had a few times but haven’t had recently so unless they changed their formula or sth I wasn’t too impressed by it.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Yes, even though i dont care if the meat is halal or not.

Their is no really humane way of killing animals, especially on a mass scale. Halal is no better or worse than others.

Halal is definitely worse than some other forms of butchering. In some countries they use stunned method to butcher animal, as it would prevent animals to feel pain, whereas in Halal way, animals are let to suffer after ‘slit throat’ method. Just like you, I do not care about halal or not, but my original point was toward a poster who cries about animal cruelty when animals being caged, but completely fine with ‘Halal slaughtering’. #Hypocrisy

 

[CanadianG00se]

Religious reason is a pretty valid reason to me.

I oppose killing for no reason, however.

Regarding zoos, it is absolutely nonsense that there are still zoos in 21st century. It is cruel and pointless.

In other words, you’re fine being Hypocrite. You have no leg to stand to complain about animal cruelty.

 

[Thomaskutty]

Ambanis shouldn't waste their money on zoos, there are plenty already in India. They should get Disney or Universal to build a themepark in Kerala, that would be a mega attraction and a real money-spinner.

 

[street cricketer]

FACT: >95% Indians who are vegetarian aren’t due to moral reasons or some special love for animals. They are due to their caste plain and simple.

Corrected for accuracy.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Halal is definitely worse than some other forms of butchering. In some countries they use stunned method to butcher animal, as it would prevent animals to feel pain, whereas in Halal way, animals are let to suffer after ‘slit throat’ method. Just like you, I do not care about halal or not, but my original point was toward a poster who cries about animal cruelty when animals being caged, but completely fine with ‘Halal slaughtering’. #Hypocrisy

This is UK stats regarding Halal stunning:

The Food Standards Agency (FSA) estimates about 88% of animals killed through halal methods are stunned beforehand using techniques acceptable in Islamic law.

But a minority of halal food – and all kosher meat – does not involve stunning.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...rganic-stunning-eu-court-ruling-a8797761.html

I have no problem with 100% of halal meat being stunned, yet i have never seen people vilify kosher meat as much as they do halal. We all know why that is.

 

[CanadianG00se]

This is UK stats regarding Halal stunning:

The Food Standards Agency (FSA) estimates about 88% of animals killed through halal methods are stunned beforehand using techniques acceptable in Islamic law.

But a minority of halal food – and all kosher meat – does not involve stunning.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...rganic-stunning-eu-court-ruling-a8797761.html

I have no problem with 100% of halal meat being stunned, yet i have never seen people vilify kosher meat as much as they do halal. We all know why that is.

That may be good for UK animals but let’s face it outside western nations, halal way of butchering is cruel as it gets. I have seen enough videos(even many in real life during my time in India) of halal butchering which put animal through lot of suffering. I feel halal authorities of all countries should encourage butchers/meat processing firms to use stunned method, giving animal less painful death.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

That may be good for UK animals but let’s face it outside western nations, halal way of butchering is cruel as it gets. I have seen enough videos(even many in real life during my time in India) of halal butchering which put animal through lot of suffering. I feel halal authorities of all countries should encourage butchers/meat processing firms to use stunned method, giving animal less painful death.

I agree with that. If stunned meat can be halal in UK, their is no reason why it cant be halal in India or Pakistan. I support 100% stunning for halal meat.

However in the UK if 88% of Halal meat is stunned and 0% of Kosher meat is stunned, their is something seriously wrong when UK Muslims are getting more bad press than the community with 0%.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I agree with that. If stunned meat can be halal in UK, their is no reason why it cant be halal in India or Pakistan. I support 100% stunning for halal meat.

However in the UK if 88% of Halal meat is stunned and 0% of Kosher meat is stunned, their is something seriously wrong when UK Muslims are getting more bad press than the community with 0%.

That is a good point. What is the absolute figure of the two meat types (not percentage).

 

[Giannis]

Zoos are inhumane, they shouldn't exist and are becoming widely unpopular in America with changing attitudes.