KP new education minister has not studied beyond Matric (10th grade)

[Mamoon]

In a major cabinet reshuffle made by the KP chief minister on Saturday, Ayub was given charge of the education portfolio. He was previously minister for communication and works department.

According to KP provincial assembly's official website, Ayub's educational qualification is matric. The same has been listed in an affidavit submitted by the education minister.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/593524-kps-new-education-minister-hasnt-studied-beyond-matric

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This is the tabdeeli we were promised. This is the competency that we were promised.

This is the Naya Pakistan and exemplary governance that we were promised.

Now the cult-followers will say that he is honest, but couldn’t we find an educated honest man instead of this “nalaik” dud?

How on earth is he going to drive this ministry forward? This is far, far worse than making Fawad Chaudhry the Minister of Science & Technology.

Two days ago, Imran Khan stated that obsessing with English language shows our colonial mentality.

The same Imran Khan who studied at Oxford, married an English woman and lived in London during most of his cricket career.

Yesterday, a PTI MPA (Shaukat Yusufzai) was asked why a 10th grader was appointed the education minister. His response?

“He speaks good English”

Youthopian logic at its brilliant best. Koi poochay to bolna Khan aya tha.

Chor, daku, loot-maar, current account deficit. How is that for a response by PTI supporters when questioned over the appointment of a matric pass as education minister?

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] [MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION]

 

[shah_1]

Shambolic decision by Imran Khan

 

[boomboomcheema]

In before Insafians divert the attention of the thread by throwing Noora, Patwari, Jiyala, Bhutto insults.

 

[passionatelypakistani]

This is a shame. The nation is well and truly in shambles.

 

[Syed1]

If this is indeed true then it's a severely bad decision

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yesterday, a PTI MPA (Shaukat Yusufzai) was asked why a 10th grader was appointed the education minister. His response?

“He speaks good English”

Speaking good English is a very important skill to be quite honest. I would have to ask why a Matric grade politician is speaking superior English to his supposedly better educated peers.

 

[Manager101]

If this is indeed true then it's a severely bad decision

That's the difference between honest PTI supporter and cult PML-N fans like the OP.

 

[Hermoine Green]

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] [MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION]

Shambolic decision by Imran Khan

In before Insafians divert the attention of the thread by throwing Noora, Patwari, Jiyala, Bhutto insults.

This is a shame. The nation is well and truly in shambles.

If this is indeed true then it's a severely bad decision

Let me bury Fake doctor once again as i did 2 days before, where he ran away without even replying (well its a norm for him).

Should i laugh or cry at the Jaahliyat of this doctor? He dont even know the rules and laws of his own country provincial cabinet. I will educate you dont worry, if you are a matriculate then you can become a MPA and an MPA can be given a ministry because he is eligible for that.

So a decision was made under laws, no? More importantly since the doctor has zero knowledge about his own province, KP education was bifurcated into separate Elementary and Secondary education.

Ayub has given the charge of elementary education, not Secondary education. Hope you know the difference between elementary and secondary

You dont need to be a PhD for holding a ministry of elementary education, if you have problem with that. Then change laws which suits your agenda.

And yeah about Shaukat sahab comments, since we all know fake doctor is expert in twisting the arguments let me share complete quote of Shaukat

"It does not matter what degree he holds," said Yousafzai. "He has studied from a reputable institute and is a capable man."

In a separate video message, Yousafzai said one should not question Ayub's capabilities solely due to the fact that he had not studied beyond the matriculation level.

"He left for Canada to pursue the construction business while he was in grade 12," said the information minister. "He is a skilled man and we should extract benefit from his experience and capabilities."

Yousafzai said the education minister could speak to foreign diplomats and dignitaries as "his English is the best". He said since education had been bifurcated into two parts, Ayub was given charge of the elementary education, not secondary.

"He has to run an institute and for that, he has ample experience in the past as a minister," he said.



In 2017, a lady was made Minister of PUNJAB HIGHER Education, then Nooras had no problem with that, Mamoon welcomed that decision with open heart. Right?

Who was that lady? Zakia Shah Nawaz Khan and she was a matriculate. But that decision was Halaal ) Since it was made by PMLN. And guys who are in touch with politics knows very well that why she was given higher education ministry i dont even need to explain that.

At least, Ayub is not a minister of secondary education )

Now Mamoon will come with long essay and he will move in circle without coming towards the center so i will reply to that if it is according to the point.

And just for the record of those posters who do bhangra on Mamoon posts, i have not mentioned choor daaku lootera in my posts, now do you posters have spine to reply me and engage in a discussion with me? Or you will look for Mamoon to do that job for you Especially our neighbors.

 

[IndianHero]

what's so big deal here ? In my state in India many ministers didn't study more than 7th class or 7th grade but still many highly educated bureaucrats salute & stand in front of them !

Be proud that at least ur minister studied till matric

 

[Mamoon]

Let me bury Fake doctor once again as i did 2 days before, where he ran away without even replying (well its a norm for him).

Should i laugh or cry at the Jaahliyat of this doctor? He dont even know the rules and laws of his own country provincial cabinet. I will educate you dont worry, if you are a matriculate then you can become a MPA and an MPA can be given a ministry because he is eligible for that.

So a decision was made under laws, no? More importantly since the doctor has zero knowledge about his own province, KP education was bifurcated into separate Elementary and Secondary education.

Ayub has given the charge of elementary education, not Secondary education. Hope you know the difference between elementary and secondary

You dont need to be a PhD for holding a ministry of elementary education, if you have problem with that. Then change laws which suits your agenda.

And yeah about Shaukat sahab comments, since we all know fake doctor is expert in twisting the arguments let me share complete quote of Shaukat

"It does not matter what degree he holds," said Yousafzai. "He has studied from a reputable institute and is a capable man."

In a separate video message, Yousafzai said one should not question Ayub's capabilities solely due to the fact that he had not studied beyond the matriculation level.

"He left for Canada to pursue the construction business while he was in grade 12," said the information minister. "He is a skilled man and we should extract benefit from his experience and capabilities."

Yousafzai said the education minister could speak to foreign diplomats and dignitaries as "his English is the best". He said since education had been bifurcated into two parts, Ayub was given charge of the elementary education, not secondary.

"He has to run an institute and for that, he has ample experience in the past as a minister," he said.



In 2017, a lady was made Minister of PUNJAB HIGHER Education, then Nooras had no problem with that, Mamoon welcomed that decision with open heart. Right?

Who was that lady? Zakia Shah Nawaz Khan and she was a matriculate. But that decision was Halaal ) Since it was made by PMLN. And guys who are in touch with politics knows very well that why she was given higher education ministry i dont even need to explain that.

At least, Ayub is not a minister of secondary education )

Now Mamoon will come with long essay and he will move in circle without coming towards the center so i will reply to that if it is according to the point.

And just for the record of those posters who do bhangra on Mamoon posts, i have not mentioned choor daaku lootera in my posts, now do you posters have spine to reply me and engage in a discussion with me? Or you will look for Mamoon to do that job for you Especially our neighbors.

You are not burying anyone, you are only exposing the fact that you are a cult-follower. People like you are the reason why the Y word was invented and is now censored here. People like you will try to defend everything your supreme leader does.

You even used to defend the BRT disaster before you eventually changed your stance because you could no longer deny the facts.

First of all, learn the difference between ministries. You do not need to have higher education for certain ministries, but a matric pass is completely unqualified to become an education minister.

Furthermore, do not hide behind the elementary vs. secondary excuse. A nalaik matric pass should be nowhere near the education department even if it is kindergarten.

Are you suggesting that there isn’t a single qualified individual who could have led the education ministry?

I am not talking about PhD. However, he/she should have at least a Master’s degree.

Finally, please do not give examples of what happened in Punjab. That is why people voted for PTI - they did not want the same to happen in KP.

That is the whole point. If PTI claimed or claims that it is going to bring tabdeeli, why are you comparing their blunders with that of PMLN?

Do you really honestly think that a Matric pass deserved to be the education minister? Do you really think he is the best available candidate?

If you have a shred of honesty unlike your leader, you will only have one answer, and the answer is a resounding no.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Ex-CM of Tamil Nadu Kamaraj was a 4th standard dropout. In the 60s he was responsible for bringing free education to the disadvantaged classes and he also introduced the midday meal scheme which revolutionized primary education system in the state. Shining example that you don't need to be a Ramanujan to succeed as education minister, integrity and commitment count for more than any of the top degrees handed out in places of higher learning. Why aren't you considering the possibility that with his background he can empathize with the disadvantaged children and families in a better manner? PP posters don't represent the societies in Pak/Ind, we are the privileged lot.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Ex-CM of Tamil Nadu Kamaraj was a 4th standard dropout. In the 60s he was responsible for bringing free education to the disadvantaged classes and he also introduced the midday meal scheme which revolutionized primary education system in the state. Shining example that you don't need to be a Ramanujan to succeed as education minister, integrity and commitment count for more than any of the top degrees handed out in places of higher learning. Why aren't you considering the possibility that with his background he can empathize with the disadvantaged children and families in a better manner? PP posters don't represent the societies in Pak/Ind, we are the privileged lot.

Agreed. Many parents who are not properly educated manage to have their kids well educated, only because they understand the value of education. Having a degree is secondary, all that matters is how seriously he values education.

 

[ARK Rafay]

Lol at some posters who think a Matric pass is a jaahil and nalaik. Our education is not a benchmark and has nothing to do with your mental and intellectual ability. I've met plenty of MA pass people who can't even talk in English.

If he has the capabilities and understand the value of education and the need in Pakistan, he'll do a great job.

 

[Bewal Express]

You are not burying anyone, you are only exposing the fact that you are a cult-follower. People like you are the reason why the Y word was invented and is now censored here. People like you will try to defend everything your supreme leader does.

You even used to defend the BRT disaster before you eventually changed your stance because you could no longer deny the facts.

First of all, learn the difference between ministries. You do not need to have higher education for certain ministries, but a matric pass is completely unqualified to become an education minister.

Furthermore, do not hide behind the elementary vs. secondary excuse. A nalaik matric pass should be nowhere near the education department even if it is kindergarten.

Are you suggesting that there isn’t a single qualified individual who could have led the education ministry?

I am not talking about PhD. However, he/she should have at least a Master’s degree.

Finally, please do not give examples of what happened in Punjab. That is why people voted for PTI - they did not want the same to happen in KP.

That is the whole point. If PTI claimed or claims that it is going to bring tabdeeli, why are you comparing their blunders with that of PMLN?

Do you really honestly think that a Matric pass deserved to be the education minister? Do you really think he is the best available candidate?

If you have a shred of honesty unlike your leader, you will only have one answer, and the answer is a resounding no.

"Please do not give examples from Punjab" but aren't they the competent ones you go on about.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] got exposed again. Another total humiliation.

Yes another total humiliation for cult-followers. Are you justifying the appointment of a 10th grader as education minister?

Do you think there were no better candidates available? Is it a disadvantage to have an education minister with proper qualifications?

 

[Bewal Express]

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] [MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION]

The question is one of competence and not qualifications. You are a supposed Doctor but you spend all your time on here and are posting while on duty. If that isnt incompetence then I don't know what is!
He is in charge of elementary education and that is incredibly important, in my view the most important but its job that requires passion more than qualifications. So if you he has shown incompetence, or neglect of duty then criticise and ask for sacking . Otherwise its a nothing post.

 

[Mamoon]

"Please do not give examples from Punjab" but aren't they the competent ones you go on about.

They are far more competent than the tabdeeli clowns but they have also made plenty of mistakes. Are the tabdeeli clowns in power so that their cult-followers can justify their mistakes by stating that Punjab government did the same?

 

[Bewal Express]

Yes another total humiliation for cult-followers. Are you justifying the appointment of a 10th grader as education minister?

Do you think there were no better candidates available? Is it a disadvantage to have an education minister with proper qualifications?

I answered it below.

 

[Mamoon]

Ex-CM of Tamil Nadu Kamaraj was a 4th standard dropout. In the 60s he was responsible for bringing free education to the disadvantaged classes and he also introduced the midday meal scheme which revolutionized primary education system in the state. Shining example that you don't need to be a Ramanujan to succeed as education minister, integrity and commitment count for more than any of the top degrees handed out in places of higher learning. Why aren't you considering the possibility that with his background he can empathize with the disadvantaged children and families in a better manner? PP posters don't represent the societies in Pak/Ind, we are the privileged lot.

Extreme examples do not mean anything. You can have a multiple PhDs holder fail to deliver as an education minister as well, but it is the process that deserves to be scrutinized.

A person who hasn’t even been to college has no business becoming an education minister. It is not possible that he is the best available candidate for the job.

 

[Bewal Express]

They are far more competent than the tabdeeli clowns but they have also made plenty of mistakes. Are the tabdeeli clowns in power so that their cult-followers can justify their mistakes by stating that Punjab government did the same?

Tell me how they ended up going from 100bn surplus to a 2 trillion deficit, if they are so competent? Don't tell me you don't know what that is?

 

[Mamoon]

The question is one of competence and not qualifications. You are a supposed Doctor but you spend all your time on here and are posting while on duty. If that isnt incompetence then I don't know what is!
He is in charge of elementary education and that is incredibly important, in my view the most important but its job that requires passion more than qualifications. So if you he has shown incompetence, or neglect of duty then criticise and ask for sacking . Otherwise its a nothing post.

Passion means nothing if you are not qualified. You need expertise. A person who himself did not have the passion to study beyond the 10th grade and has never experienced higher education has no business running an education ministry.

Again, is he the only “passionate” person who has the competency to be an education minister? Couldn’t the Khalifa-e-Waqt find a single educated, qualified person who also had the passion?

Maybe you should have put your hand up. You claim to love Pakistan and you have experience as an educator in the UK. I am surely you are vastly qualified compared to him.

I have my job because I am qualified for it. Whether I post during work hours or not is none of your business. If I am not attending patients or if I am careless the government has the right to fire me.

However, a 10th grader who has passion for medicine cannot take my place because he doesn’t have the knowledge and the experience.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol at some posters who think a Matric pass is a jaahil and nalaik. Our education is not a benchmark and has nothing to do with your mental and intellectual ability. I've met plenty of MA pass people who can't even talk in English.

If he has the capabilities and understand the value of education and the need in Pakistan, he'll do a great job.

It is not Pakistani mentality. Name one world class university in the world where you can get a placement with a Matric degree?

Or name one big company in the world that would employ you unless you are a genius?

He is a politician not an entrepreneur. In Pakistan, to become a politician you need two things: money and family name. Preferably both, but either of them can work.

The fact that he didn’t continue his education after 10th grade clearly shows that he was either an academic failure or he didn’t have the passion for education or he does not believe in higher education.

Hence, regardless of the actual reason, he is not qualified and does not deserve to be the education minister.

If he understood the value of education he would get educated himself.

 

[Bewal Express]

Passion means nothing if you are not qualified. You need expertise. A person who himself did not have the passion to study beyond the 10th grade and has never experienced higher education has no business running an education ministry.

Again, is he the only “passionate” person who has the competency to be an education minister? Couldn’t the Khalifa-e-Waqt find a single educated, qualified person who also had the passion?

Maybe you should have put your hand up. You claim to love Pakistan and you have experience as an educator in the UK. I am surely you are vastly qualified compared to him.

I have my job because I am qualified for it. Whether I post during work hours or not is none of your business. If I am not attending patients or if I am careless the government has the right to fire me.

However, a 10th grader who has passion for medicine cannot take my place because he doesn’t have the knowledge and the experience.

Or person that didn't study actually feels that they have missed out and care more for it even though they are rich. They are some jobs for example like law and medicine that require specialists, but most job in politics don't. If you are arguing they should be then that's another debate.
Are you seriously saying it's not my business as a PK taxpayer whether you are posting on duty? If your chacha paid your wages, then say that, but he doesn't and it is my business and if you had any shame you wouldnt take your wages.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It is not Pakistani mentality. Name one world class university in the world where you can get a placement with a Matric degree?

Or name one big company in the world that would employ you unless you are a genius?

He is a politician not an entrepreneur. In Pakistan, to become a politician you need two things: money and family name. Preferably both, but either of them can work.

The fact that he didn’t continue his education after 10th grade clearly shows that he was either an academic failure or he didn’t have the passion for education or he does not believe in higher education.

Hence, regardless of the actual reason, he is not qualified and does not deserve to be the education minister.

If he understood the value of education he would get educated himself.

If a chai walah (for whom you have professed great admiration) can become Prime Minister of Incredible India, why can't this guy get a job as education minister?

 

[Bewal Express]

It is not Pakistani mentality. Name one world class university in the world where you can get a placement with a Matric degree?

Or name one big company in the world that would employ you unless you are a genius?

He is a politician not an entrepreneur. In Pakistan, to become a politician you need two things: money and family name. Preferably both, but either of them can work.

The fact that he didn’t continue his education after 10th grade clearly shows that he was either an academic failure or he didn’t have the passion for education or he does not believe in higher education.

Hence, regardless of the actual reason, he is not qualified and does not deserve to be the education minister.

If he understood the value of education he would get educated himself.

Can you actually give examples of anything incompent he has done? I am not for him or against him but can actually talk what he has done.

 

[Bewal Express]

If a chai walah (for whom you have professed great admiration) can become Prime Minister of Incredible India, why can't this guy get a job as education minister?

Apparently that guy is more competent than IK!

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

You voted for this government. You are as much guilty of this travesty as any die hard pti ****** on this forum.

 

[Bewal Express]

You voted for this government. You are as much guilty of this travesty as any die hard pti ****** on this forum.

But he thinks that a chai wala is good leader for Ind? I am really confused by his criteria

 

[sindhiboy]

no doubt that this is a sign of a lawless country.

having said that, there are many workers with out the required educational backgrounds who know how to get their jobs done.

najam sethi was unqualified for pcb chairman, but he did a pretty good job of bringing cricket back to pakistan.

 

[ARK Rafay]

It is not Pakistani mentality. Name one world class university in the world where you can get a placement with a Matric degree?

Or name one big company in the world that would employ you unless you are a genius?

He is a politician not an entrepreneur. In Pakistan, to become a politician you need two things: money and family name. Preferably both, but either of them can work.

The fact that he didn’t continue his education after 10th grade clearly shows that he was either an academic failure or he didn’t have the passion for education or he does not believe in higher education.

Hence, regardless of the actual reason, he is not qualified and does not deserve to be the education minister.

If he understood the value of education he would get educated himself.

Is the education minister trying to enroll in a university here? No.

So anyone in the politics cannot be an entrepreneur?

There could be any reason why he didn't continued his studies after 10th grade. And NO. A person who stops educating himself inside a Pakistani university or college does not always mean he/she is an academic failure. And maybe he did not continued his education because he did not believe in our flawed education system. You don't need to enroll in a university in order to get educated.

I don't know the law but if the minimum qualification required to be a minister is a Matric pass then he qualifies.

He is there to apply his knowledge and expertise and application of knowledge has nothing to do with being educated in an institute (Uni or College).

What is your definition of education and educated?

 

[DeadBall]

Ex-CM of Tamil Nadu Kamaraj was a 4th standard dropout. In the 60s he was responsible for bringing free education to the disadvantaged classes and he also introduced the midday meal scheme which revolutionized primary education system in the state. Shining example that you don't need to be a Ramanujan to succeed as education minister, integrity and commitment count for more than any of the top degrees handed out in places of higher learning. Why aren't you considering the possibility that with his background he can empathize with the disadvantaged children and families in a better manner? PP posters don't represent the societies in Pak/Ind, we are the privileged lot.

I'm sure the minister was advised by various well educated people who had the experience and know how in these matter and he gave them his patronage. That's what politicians do, they put their name to various programmes to leave a legacy. All depends on the intention of said politician/minister/etc.

However I believe there should be a higher criteria set when considering someone for the position of Minister of Education/Health/etc and other such important posts with relevant degrees and experience in their respective fields.

 

[Bewal Express]

I'm sure the minister was advised by various well educated people who had the experience and know how in these matter and he gave them his patronage. That's what politicians do, they put their name to various programmes to leave a legacy. All depends on the intention of said politician/minister/etc.

However I believe there should be a higher criteria set when considering someone for the position of Minister of Education/Health/etc and other such important posts with relevant degrees and experience in their respective fields.

The sad reality is that most politicians are good at getting votes and have no idea what they are doing except doing pr stunts. Did NS ever understand the economic policy in his name, did he understand things like budget deficits and current account deficits( most people don't and trying to explain how things link together lead to laughter, don't they [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]). Did the chai wala have qualifications to be PM of India? A politician who cares and has passion is better than a guy who has a PhD but is a crook who doesn't care. Ideally you want experts in the field but none of these guys are. So once again the question should asked about what he did or didn't do. And so far no answer.

 

[hafeezrocks]

Dont beed PHD to be a good education minister.

 

[Mamoon]

Dont beed PHD to be a good education minister.

There is a different between a PhD and a Matric pass.

A Matric pass becoming the education minister in any capacity is utterly ridiculous.

 

[Mamoon]

Can you actually give examples of anything incompent he has done? I am not for him or against him but can actually talk what he has done.

The question is not what he has done wrong. The question is what has he done right to deserve this position.

I can tell you what he has done wrong - he hasn’t even been college and he is now in charge of driving the education ministry.

Now since you agree with his appointment, please provide a list of reasons why his appointment is justified and why he is more competent than every other candidate in spite of being ridiculously undereducated.

 

[Bewal Express]

There is a different between a PhD and a Matric pass.

A Matric pass becoming the education minister in any capacity is utterly ridiculous.

But why don't you critique his work rather than his qualification So once again tell us areas where he was incompetent or neglecting his duty?

 

[DeadBall]

The sad reality is that most politicians are good at getting votes and have no idea what they are doing except doing pr stunts. Did NS ever understand the economic policy in his name, did he understand things like budget deficits and current account deficits( most people don't and trying to explain how things link together lead to laughter, don't they [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]). Did the chai wala have qualifications to be PM of India? A politician who cares and has passion is better than a guy who has a PhD but is a crook who doesn't care. Ideally you want experts in the field but none of these guys are. So once again the question should asked about what he did or didn't do. And so far no answer.

Yeah, need to see his CV and past achievements, reforms, current programmes etc to get some idea.

Also as I mentioned earlier we don't have to compare ourselves to past governments as PTI came on in power on a platform of tabdeeli and change and have to better than past governments.

Comparison with India or other countries is also pointless. The people that chose Modi, Trump etc are paying the price. If we are to compare it should be positive comparison in how we can get better at them in all major indexes.

We must strive to be better instead of throwing stones living in glass houses.

 

[Mamoon]

If a chai walah (for whom you have professed great admiration) can become Prime Minister of Incredible India, why can't this guy get a job as education minister?

There is a difference between a Prime Minister and other ministries. A Prime Minister is a manager while the other ministers require expertise. The most important qualities of a PM are leadership qualities, public speaking etc. he doesn’t need to have expertise in any particular department.

However, you won’t employ a person who has studied economics at A-Levels as your Finance Minister because he is under-qualified.

Similarly, a 10th grader has no business serving as education minister. First and foremost he/she needs to be educationist and that rules that his dropout out.

 

[Mamoon]

But why don't you critique his work rather than his qualification So once again tell us areas where he was incompetent or neglecting his duty?

The fact that he is laughably under-qualified is more than enough. This is equivalent to making a PP member the head coach of Pakistan cricket team.

Now please list his achievements and qualities that make him a better candidate than people with higher education.

 

[Bewal Express]

The question is not what he has done wrong. The question is what has he done right to deserve this position.

I can tell you what he has done wrong - he hasn’t even been college and he is now in charge of driving the education ministry.

Now since you agree with his appointment, please provide a list of reasons why his appointment is justified and why he is more competent than every other candidate in spite of being ridiculously undereducated.

So based on your criteria and it's logical conclusion, what have Maryam or Billo done, or what did NS do or 99% of politicians ever do. Talking about education, maybe you need to read with comprehension because I said " I am not for him or against him but can you actually talk what he has done". That is not difficult to understand even for a Doctor that neglects his duty.

 

[Mamoon]

Or person that didn't study actually feels that they have missed out and care more for it even though they are rich. They are some jobs for example like law and medicine that require specialists, but most job in politics don't. If you are arguing they should be then that's another debate.
Are you seriously saying it's not my business as a PK taxpayer whether you are posting on duty? If your chacha paid your wages, then say that, but he doesn't and it is my business and if you had any shame you wouldnt take your wages.

You clearly don’t understand how hospitals work. You don’t work every single minute while you are on duty. I get time off in between tending patients and doing rounds. I use my phone and it is like replying to texts and answering emails.

Anyway, I am not here to answer personal questions. Your taxes are also used to produce chemicals weapons and are used to kill Muslims in the Middle-East, so perhaps you should be more concerned over how the British Government uses your halal money for haraam purposes.

 

[Mamoon]

So based on your criteria and it's logical conclusion, what have Maryam or Billo done, or what did NS do or 99% of politicians ever do. Talking about education, maybe you need to read with comprehension because I said " I am not for him or against him but can you actually talk what he has done". That is not difficult to understand even for a Doctor that neglects his duty.

If Maryam or Bilawal become specialized ministers I will criticize. If they lead their parties or become PMs I won’t criticize.

For example, Imran got into Oxford on sports seat and wasn’t bright academically. However, that doesn’t mean under-qualified to be a PM. It is of course a different story that he is insane.

 

[Mamoon]

So based on your criteria and it's logical conclusion, what have Maryam or Billo done, or what did NS do or 99% of politicians ever do. Talking about education, maybe you need to read with comprehension because I said " I am not for him or against him but can you actually talk what he has done". That is not difficult to understand even for a Doctor that neglects his duty.

Also please ready my reply to Captain.

 

[Bewal Express]

The fact that he is laughably under-qualified is more than enough. This is equivalent to making a PP member the head coach of Pakistan cricket team.

Now please list his achievements and qualities that make him a better candidate than people with higher education.

Based on your criteria so are the likes of Jose Mourinho, can you tell me what right he has to manage a top level football career because he played a 100 times for a nondescript clubs.

 

[Mamoon]

Is the education minister trying to enroll in a university here? No.

So anyone in the politics cannot be an entrepreneur?

There could be any reason why he didn't continued his studies after 10th grade. And NO. A person who stops educating himself inside a Pakistani university or college does not always mean he/she is an academic failure. And maybe he did not continued his education because he did not believe in our flawed education system. You don't need to enroll in a university in order to get educated.

I don't know the law but if the minimum qualification required to be a minister is a Matric pass then he qualifies.

He is there to apply his knowledge and expertise and application of knowledge has nothing to do with being educated in an institute (Uni or College).

What is your definition of education and educated?

Oh bhai

Can you please list the reasons why he is more competent and capable than the educated people to be the education minister?

An education minister needs to formally educated to a decent level at the very least. A Matric pass is hilariously under-qualified to be the education minister.

I will repeat - this is the same as appointing a PPer the head coach of Pakistan cricket team.

It is a complete circus.

 

[Bewal Express]

Also please ready my reply to Captain.

I can't be bothered because discussing anything with a confused guy that tries to score points, even when you may have valid points is a waste of time.

 

[Mamoon]

Based on your criteria so are the likes of Jose Mourinho, can you tell me what right he has to manage a top level football career because he played a 100 times for a nondescript clubs.

Mourinho worked with one of the greatest British managers of all time at one of the greatest clubs in the world before taking his first job as manager.

What has this Matric pass done to deserve the privileged position of education minister?

 

[Mamoon]

I can't be bothered because discussing anything with a confused guy that tries to score points, even when you may have valid points is a waste of time.

The only confused person here is you, because you clutching at straws to justify why a 10th grader deserves to be education minister.

 

[Bewal Express]

The only confused person here is you, because you clutching at straws to justify why a 10th grader deserves to be education minister.

That 10 grader has better English than you at least he can read.

 

[Bewal Express]

Mourinho worked with one of the greatest British managers of all time at one of the greatest clubs in the world before taking his first job as manager.

What has this Matric pass done to deserve the privileged position of education minister?

Yes he was Bobby Robson translater, but he was a terrible player. What gave him the right to Manage Benfica? So digging a hole for yourself.

 

[Uzi]

If I'm not mistaken, John Major left school at 16 with 3 O-levels and he became Prime Minister of the UK. You don't need to be super educated in order to get into positions of power and influence.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

In a parliamentary system you need a MNA to be a minister, unlike the presidential system where you can appoint an unelected head of education based on merit. So you have limited options. He might be the only option available for all we know.

We should judge him on his performance. See the team he assembles. What improvement he makes.

 

[BreadPakoda]

The only confused person here is you, because you clutching at straws to justify why a 10th grader deserves to be education minister.

Expect the defenders to defend anything/everything. Even if a criminal was appointed I trust there would have been some points ready.



Some of the points are same as the ones that were used by similar people on the other side of the border to defend Smriti Irani.

 

[Varun]

This move can't be Saudi/military pressure, this guy and position are too small time for that.

Probably something to do with winning a seat or region in the next elections by installing an electable or his kin in a position of power.

Pales in comparison to letting Nawaz Sharif run away though.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

Just appoint him based on solely he speaks good English is unacceptable. However, If you has a experience then give him a chance. You never know he might surprise us.

Look at the Asif ali zardari, he was a president of Pakistan. Even though he claims he has BA degree however, most people say he does not. Correct me if anyone knows about it.

My only question is did this Ayub guy participate in election as well? if he did, then did not we have rule that no one can participate in election unless he/she is graduated? I think that rule was set by Musharaf.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Mourinho worked with one of the greatest British managers of all time at one of the greatest clubs in the world before taking his first job as manager.

What has this Matric pass done to deserve the privileged position of education minister?

That's a bad example actually, and I know this personally as the great English manager you are talking about was ridiculed mercilessly before he went abroad. If anything, he probably learned more from Mourinho than vice versa. Bobby Robson valued him so highly he tried to take him to Newcastle as his assistant, but Mourinho had bigger ambitions.

 

[Waseem]

It is a terrible decision mainly because there has been no proper clarification from KPK government and also there is no pressure since PTI has heavy majority there so makes it even worse.

 

[The_Odd_One]

This is the thing that frustrates me the most about Imran. He consistently makes poor selections.

There was no need to create this controversy. Anyone with appropriate qualification could have been chosen but no, Imran had to make this weird decision.

 

[Darkrai]

So, in other words, everything is normal in Pakistan. Sounds about right.

 

[Mamoon]

That's a bad example actually, and I know this personally as the great English manager you are talking about was ridiculed mercilessly before he went abroad. If anything, he probably learned more from Mourinho than vice versa. Bobby Robson valued him so highly he tried to take him to Newcastle as his assistant, but Mourinho had bigger ambitions.

It’s not. Sir Robert was one of the few British managers with the cojones to test himself outside the shores. He won trophies in various countries and got to manage Barcelona, a bigger club than Liverpool and Man United.

Anyway, this is severely off-topic. The point is that Mourinho worked at one of the biggest football clubs in the world under the watchful eye of Bobby and interacted with some of the greatest players ever. He is not comparable to a 10th grader taking over as education minister.

 

[Mamoon]

That 10 grader has better English than you at least he can read.

My English is miles better than yours and you claim to be a teacher in England. I know you are obsessed with me like Imran is obsessed with Modi, but please don’t talk about my English here. It is irrelevant to the thread.

 

[Mamoon]

Yes he was Bobby Robson translater, but he was a terrible player. What gave him the right to Manage Benfica? So digging a hole for yourself.

The only hole here has been dug by you and you have worked with more power than a Caterpillar excavator.

To become a football player (or an athlete in any sport) you need talent and physical ability. Mourinho had the former but not the latter.

He got the job at Benfica because he worked closely with Bobby at several clubs including Barcelona.

It doesn’t matter if he was his translator or if he wiped his bum - the point is that he worked closely with him, oversaw training sessions and communicated with some of the best players the game has ever seen.

Bobby Robson saw his potential and he was more of an assistant coach for him who also worked as his translator. During his time at Barcelona, he also worked with Guardiola. All of that is very relevant experience.

In comparison, what has Akbar “Mourinho” Ayub done to deserve the education ministry? Has he worked with some great educationists?

What are his credentials and what has he done that makes him more qualified than people with higher qualifications?

I am asking you for the umpteenth time. Please list his achievements and credentials that make him the most suitable candidate. I hope you will finally stop dancing around my simple question.

 

[Mamoon]

It is okay to appoint a 10th grader as education minister because Mourinho became the manager of Benfica without a successful football career.

Youthopian logic at its very best.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

Since you are in the mood for football analogies, appointing a 10th grader as education minister is equivalent to appointing the host of Arsenal Fan TV as the Arsenal manager.

 

[Mamoon]

Expect the defenders to defend anything/everything. Even if a criminal was appointed I trust there would have been some points ready.



Some of the points are same as the ones that were used by similar people on the other side of the border to defend Smriti Irani.

Cult-followers will be cult-followers. They are of the same breed and show same characteristics regardless of where they live or where they belong to.

 

[Syed1]

Not that I condone this decision but companies like Google, Microsoft etc are doing away with degree requirements for software engineering jobs. Now they even consider candidates without degrees with suitable experience and demonstrable skills.

 

[Bewal Express]

The only hole here has been dug by you and you have worked with more power than a Caterpillar excavator.

To become a football player (or an athlete in any sport) you need talent and physical ability. Mourinho had the former but not the latter.

He got the job at Benfica because he worked closely with Bobby at several clubs including Barcelona.

It doesn’t matter if he was his translator or if he wiped his bum - the point is that he worked closely with him, oversaw training sessions and communicated with some of the best players the game has ever seen.

Bobby Robson saw his potential and he was more of an assistant coach for him who also worked as his translator. During his time at Barcelona, he also worked with Guardiola. All of that is very relevant experience.

In comparison, what has Akbar “Mourinho” Ayub done to deserve the education ministry? Has he worked with some great educationists?

What are his credentials and what has he done that makes him more qualified than people with higher qualifications?

I am asking you for the umpteenth time. Please list his achievements and credentials that make him the most suitable candidate. I hope you will finally stop dancing around my simple question.

Your not the brightest, I think you proved my point, he got the chance But he was not a good player, which is the equivalent of getting a degree so based on your criteria he should never have got the chance. He was the 10 grader you talk about, weren't their other footballers better qualified than a 3rd rate footballer? On merit there were 1000s of footballers better qualified than him. Hence the question you spent a day running away from, was he any good? If he wasn't, then tell us.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Ghanta Mamoon is getting exposed.

Shocked at how many people missed the context of this thread.

 

[mgtow]

English language is not skill. Don’t see how language can be considered as part of education approach never mind benchmark for qualification of employment that has nothing to do with education .

Then again, there is reason for u-turn as nothing makes sense is often best description for PTI and its Imranistan. It is almost slogan now.

 

[mgtow]

Not that I condone this decision but companies like Google, Microsoft etc are doing away with degree requirements for software engineering jobs. Now they even consider candidates without degrees with suitable experience and demonstrable skills.

Suitable experience is the key which is part of relevancy. That is not the case here. Again, language is not relevant to the education never mind lacking suitable experience on education or managing institutes of some sort.

 

[big_gamer007]

Not that I condone this decision but companies like Google, Microsoft etc are doing away with degree requirements for software engineering jobs. Now they even consider candidates without degrees with suitable experience and demonstrable skills.

The key difference is suitable experience and demonstrable skills. Education minister should not be made to "Try". Only proven candidates should be made ministers. Ministries should not be used as a place of trying and testing.
If in case there is no suitable candidate there should be minimum standard which should be followed.

This same problem is in India as well, I am appalled at how many people are supporting this decision. Same was the case with Smriti Irani and ****** who supported her. At the end of the day, this thread proves 1 thing, similarities of cult following mindset in both Indians and Pakistanis.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Furthermore, do not hide behind the elementary vs. secondary excuse. A nalaik matric pass[\b] should be nowhere near the education department even if it is kindergarten.

Looks as though [MENTION=146141]Hermoine Green[/MENTION] has ruffled some feathers otherwise you wouldn’t be resorting to distortion of facts stated above by the Information Minister - including the bit where it was confirmed that Ayub studied beyond matriculation and left for an opportunity overseas when he was in grade 12.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Or name one big company in the world that would employ you unless you are a genius?

A world renowned aero engine manufacturer based in my hometown regularly takes in 16 year old (UK equivalent to matrix pass students) and gives them an opportunity to unleash their potential and passion.
My friends son joined them as a 16 year old and less than half a dozen years on he is earning more than university graduates who have been in their chosen careers for 2-3 decades.
Having the correct attitude and work ethic is more important than simply spending more time in an educational facility collecting certificates.

 

[Mamoon]

Your not the brightest, I think you proved my point, he got the chance But he was not a good player, which is the equivalent of getting a degree so based on your criteria he should never have got the chance. He was the 10 grader you talk about, weren't their other footballers better qualified than a 3rd rate footballer? On merit there were 1000s of footballers better qualified than him. Hence the question you spent a day running away from, was he any good? If he wasn't, then tell us.

I may not be the smartest person in the world, but you don’t need to be smart to realize that comparing football to education is hilariously ridiculous. Running away? I reply when I can, but everyone can see that you have badly exposed as a cult-follower in this thread and you don’t have an argument.

You are demonstrating the worst form of straw-clutching I have ever seen.

Once again, you don’t need to be a good footballer to be a good manager. The ability to play sports requires physical talent and only very few people are blessed with it. Education does not require physical talent. Unless you are mentally challenged, you can excel in education regardless of how fast you can run or how high you can jump, or how quick you can react or how strong you are etc. etc. etc.

Football managers are not appointed based on how good they were as players. They are appointed based on how well they understand the tactical aspects of the game and whether they can communicate those qualities to the players or not.

Mourinho was appointed by Benfica because he was a young, budding Portuguese coach who had worked with Sir Bobby at Barcelona, Porto and Lisbon and oversaw training sessions and worked with some of the greatest players in the world.

That was more than enough for Benfica to take a chance with him. Again, there were no guarantees that he would excel as a manager and things didn’t exactly work out for him at Benfica, but he had enough going for him by that stage for clubs to take a chance with him.

To be an education minister, you need to be qualified and you need to have credentials. A person with only a Matric degree is ridiculously under-qualified. I ask you once again - instead of hiding behind the nonsensical Mourinho comparison, can you please list the credentials of this man that makes him a more qualified candidate than other people with higher education qualifications?

Why is he the best candidate for this job and what he has achieved that encouraged the KP government to take a chance with him?

Will you finally answer these questions, or will you once again hide behind another ludicrous analogy?

 

[Mamoon]

A world renowned aero engine manufacturer based in my hometown regularly takes in 16 year old (UK equivalent to matrix pass students) and gives them an opportunity to unleash their potential and passion.
My friends son joined them as a 16 year old and less than half a dozen years on he is earning more than university graduates who have been in their chosen careers for 2-3 decades.
Having the correct attitude and work ethic is more important than simply spending more time in an educational facility collecting certificates.

Please list the reasons why this person is a more viable candidate than the other candidates who have higher education degrees.

If the aero-engineer company appoints a 16 year with an GCSE/IGCSE degree at a top position, they will explain why and will give so and so reasons why he deserves to be selected ahead of the several applicants who have Master’s and PhDs.

However, the justifications provided by the joker PTI government so far is that he is skilled, experienced and “his English is the best”.

How was his English measured and can we have a demonstration of why his English is the best? Did he score a perfect 9 in IELTS? Does he write columns? Does he write essays? Is he a grammar teacher? What makes his English better than people who have had to write research papers for their degrees unlike this Matric pass?

What skills does he have that candidates with higher degrees do not?

What relevant experience does he have that candidates with higher degrees do not?

If he deserves to be education minister with a Matric degree ahead of people with Master’s and PhD, he must have some special qualities that those people do not have.

The joker PTI government is not ready to answer these questions. Can you?

 

[Mamoon]

Looks as though [MENTION=146141]Hermoine Green[/MENTION] has ruffled some feathers otherwise you wouldn’t be resorting to distortion of facts stated above by the Information Minister - including the bit where it was confirmed that Ayub studied beyond matriculation and left for an opportunity overseas when he was in grade 12.

Perhaps you should read his post again. He didn’t ruffle any feathers. He only exhibited something we already knew - cult-followers will defend everything and anything. The blind devotion to Imran Khan has reached a point where the appointment of a 10th grader as education minister is considered acceptable.

In a separate video message, Yousafzai said one should not question Ayub's capabilities solely due to the fact that he had not studied beyond the matriculation level.

"He left for Canada to pursue the construction business while he was in grade 12," said the information minister.

He left for Canada WHILE he was in grade 12 which means that he did not complete grade 12. The Pakistani system is not AS and A Levels where AS can be recognized as a separate degree. In Pakistan, there is no such thing as a grade 11 degree.

You get your final certificate after completing grade 12 which he didn’t. Hence, he is a Matric pass only.

Now the question is, why didn’t he complete his degree and get higher education before going to Canada for construction business?

Was he not smart enough?

Did he not value the important of higher education?

Did he believe that practical work experience and business is more important than formal education?

Did he think getting degrees is overrated?

Was he too lazy to study?

Did he hate taking exams?

How is his experience in the construction business relevant to Education Ministry?

 

[big_gamer007]

A world renowned aero engine manufacturer based in my hometown regularly takes in 16 year old (UK equivalent to matrix pass students) and gives them an opportunity to unleash their potential and passion.
My friends son joined them as a 16 year old and less than half a dozen years on he is earning more than university graduates who have been in their chosen careers for 2-3 decades.
Having the correct attitude and work ethic is more important than simply spending more time in an educational facility collecting certificates.

It does not work like that, some responsibilities are too critical which should only be given to proven candidates or candidates with flawless credentials.

Would you like to have surgeons in hospitals or pilots who are not trained? Same should be case in ministries in an ideal world, of course. So, there is no reason to justify such appointments, a wrong is a wrong and people should accept it otherwise your society will never grow.

 

[Mamoon]

Ghanta Mamoon is getting exposed.

Shocked at how many people missed the context of this thread.

When you become a cult-follower, you do not have the ability to think anymore. You lose that capacity because you are under the spell of the cult-leader. Whatever your cult-leader does or says is justified in your eyes and in your mind because he takes away your capacity to use logic.

These people are no different than the devotees of Guruji from Sacred Games 2.

 

[Mamoon]

It does not work like that, some responsibilities are too critical which should only be given to proven candidates or candidates with flawless credentials.

Would you like to have surgeons in hospitals or pilots who are not trained? Same should be case in ministries in an ideal world, of course. So, there is no reason to justify such appointments, a wrong is a wrong and people should accept it otherwise your society will never grow.

Even if a big company makes such an appointment, they will ensure that they justify why. However, look at the justification provided by PTI:

- He is hard working, he is experienced and hIs EngLiSHHH Iz Daa Be$TTT.