KP new education minister has not studied beyond Matric (10th grade)

[Mamoon]

Imran Khan on Wednesday:

Obsessing with English is a sign of colonial mindset.

Imran Khan’s party member on Saturday:

We have appointed a 10th grader as Education Minister because his English is the best.

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Ladies and gentlemen, there is a new circus in town. The only missing spectacle is an elephant balancing itself on a beach ball.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Please list the reasons why this person is a more viable candidate than the other candidates who have higher education degrees.

If the aero-engineer company appoints a 16 year with an GCSE/IGCSE degree at a top position, they will explain why and will give so and so reasons why he deserves to be selected ahead of the several applicants who have Master’s and PhDs.

However, the justifications provided by the joker PTI government so far is that he is skilled, experienced and “his English is the best”.

How was his English measured and can we have a demonstration of why his English is the best? Did he score a perfect 9 in IELTS? Does he write columns? Does he write essays? Is he a grammar teacher? What makes his English better than people who have had to write research papers for their degrees unlike this Matric pass?

What skills does he have that candidates with higher degrees do not?

What relevant experience does he have that candidates with higher degrees do not?

If he deserves to be education minister with a Matric degree ahead of people with Master’s and PhD, he must have some special qualities that those people do not have.

The joker PTI government is not ready to answer these questions. Can you?

The only facts we have are the statements made by the KP information minister, posted by [MENTION=146141]Hermoine Green[/MENTION] above. These pour water over your claims:
•He was not a post matriculation drop out, as you continue to insinuate. Rather he was studying at grade 12 when an opportunity arose overseas which he took up.
•He has experience as a minister is a skilled individual with the required capabilities to run the institute in question.

Don’t most Pakistani institutions have highly educated individuals at the helm/in senior management (FBR, NAB, judiciary etc) what good are these guys doing aside from acting like a mafia to protect their personal and collective interests? An honest individual who is passionate and driven will provide real change as opposed to the aforementioned corrupted.
Unless and until Ayub demonstrates his incompetence and/or dishonesty I have no issues with his selection for this position.

 

[Mamoon]

The only facts we have are the statements made by the KP information minister, posted by [MENTION=146141]Hermoine Green[/MENTION] above. These pour water over your claims:
•He was not a post matriculation drop out, as you continue to insinuate. Rather he was studying at grade 12 when an opportunity arose overseas which he took up.

I am not sure if you have trouble following this straightforward discourse or if you are feigning ignorance, but either way, I will repeat:

In the Pakistani education system, there is no worth/significance of grade 11 unless you complete grade 12. hence, a person who drops out of grade 12 has a Matric certification ONLY.

For argument’s sake, even if we accept the dumb grade 12 premise, he is still critically and hilariously under-qualified to be an education minister.

He has experience as a minister is a skilled individual with the required capabilities to run the institute in question.

Another empty statement that is not backed by a shred of evidence.

What skills does he have?

What required capabilities does he have?

Is he the only candidate who possesses these uniquely special skills and capabilities that candidates with higher degrees seemingly don’t?

What sets him apart from candidates with higher degrees and makes him the best candidate for the role?

Don’t most Pakistani institutions have highly educated individuals at the helm/in senior management (FBR, NAB, judiciary etc) what good are these guys doing aside from acting like a mafia to protect their personal and collective interests? An honest individual who is passionate and driven will provide real change as opposed to the aforementioned corrupted.

This is where you are wrong and this is where PTI members and cult-followers lose the script. Honesty does not compensate for incompetence, inexperience and inadequate qualifications. You can make the most pious man in the world your Finance Minister but if he doesn’t understand finance and economics he will have no clue what he is doing.

Just because qualified and competent people have not delivered in other departments because of corruption and other interests does not mean that you should not employ qualified and competent people.

A competent but corrupt person will still bring more value than an honest but incompetent and clueless person, simply because the latter has absolutely no credentials to do justice to the job.

Furthermore, are you implying that there are no honest candidates who have higher degrees? Is there a link between corruption and higher education?

Unless and until Ayub demonstrates his incompetence and/or dishonesty I have no issues with his selection for this position.

His incompetency is already clear by the fact that he is laughably under-qualified and he has no relevant experience of working in the education sector. Moreover, the justification provided by PTI so far is that his English is the best which is so ridiculous that it is not even funny.

His honesty/dishonesty is completely irrelevant because he has zero credentials for the job in the first place. As I stated above, honesty is good for nothing when you are not qualified to do a job and do not possess the relevant expertise.

If honesty was everything people would get jobs solely based on their character. They would not need to go to universities and get the necessary skills. Just be an honest person and everything will fall in place. Do you think the world works that way?

You have no issues with his selection because your first and immediate reaction is to believe that Imran Khan is always right, and in spite of the fact that you have not made a single sound argument in his favor, you are still clinging on to your original position because you cannot acknowledge that this is a completely idiotic appointment.

Imran Khan can kill a puppy in broad daylight and you will still defend him.

 

[Bewal Express]

I may not be the smartest person in the world, but you don’t need to be smart to realize that comparing football to education is hilariously ridiculous. Running away? I reply when I can, but everyone can see that you have badly exposed as a cult-follower in this thread and you don’t have an argument.

You are demonstrating the worst form of straw-clutching I have ever seen.

Once again, you don’t need to be a good footballer to be a good manager. The ability to play sports requires physical talent and only very few people are blessed with it. Education does not require physical talent. Unless you are mentally challenged, you can excel in education regardless of how fast you can run or how high you can jump, or how quick you can react or how strong you are etc. etc. etc.

Football managers are not appointed based on how good they were as players. They are appointed based on how well they understand the tactical aspects of the game and whether they can communicate those qualities to the players or not.

Mourinho was appointed by Benfica because he was a young, budding Portuguese coach who had worked with Sir Bobby at Barcelona, Porto and Lisbon and oversaw training sessions and worked with some of the greatest players in the world.

That was more than enough for Benfica to take a chance with him. Again, there were no guarantees that he would excel as a manager and things didn’t exactly work out for him at Benfica, but he had enough going for him by that stage for clubs to take a chance with him.

To be an education minister, you need to be qualified and you need to have credentials. A person with only a Matric degree is ridiculously under-qualified. I ask you once again - instead of hiding behind the nonsensical Mourinho comparison, can you please list the credentials of this man that makes him a more qualified candidate than other people with higher education qualifications?

Why is he the best candidate for this job and what he has achieved that encouraged the KP government to take a chance with him?

Will you finally answer these questions, or will you once again hide behind another ludicrous analogy?

I asked you simple question and that was, was he any good? and instead you duck and dive. Can you tell me if the guy has made howlers, or made some good decisions but instead we have these long rants. I dont know if the guy is useless or great but you are the one that is so hyped up because you can score some points because if its merit then consistency would be welcome because you have a spent a life time supporting crooks who`s only claim to the kursi is that they were born into the right family. Billo and Maryam want to rule a country of 220mn and have never worked a day in their life and you want them in power. Talk about a confused mind and long rants!

 

[Iqbal'sh]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] there is a world of difference between a matriculation dropout and someone who was continuing his studies but then moved overseas to pursue an opportunity. Stating that he is a nalaik insinuates something different altogether and shows how you want to distort facts to strengthen your opinions.
Multiple certificates are not an essential requisite to being a success in life. There are many high profile examples, even in the field of politics.
Educated, competent and dishonest individuals are at the helm of most Pakistani institutions and they will be happy with retaining the status quo because it furthers there immoral agendas. They are not interested in reforms that would strengthen the institutions and provide benefits to the wider community.

 

[kk1992]

OP has issue with anything and everything that PTI does, Pakistan does, Army does or a common Pakistani does.

He was having issue with ex-google employee hired by PTI to help in IT.

OP lives, breath, eat, smell, crap criticism of PTI for the sake of criticism, hence loss of credibility.


On topic: good luck to the person hired, if he doesn't do the job then must be let go immediately.

 

[MenInG]

A wise man once said on PP : its better to have a corrupt person in charge rather than an incompetent one. Wonder where this episode ranks in his estimation?

 

[JaDed]

Not that I condone this decision but companies like Google, Microsoft etc are doing away with degree requirements for software engineering jobs. Now they even consider candidates without degrees with suitable experience and demonstrable skills.

They even consider contributions to stack overflow , many tech companies in california do that where the recruiters follow the contributors and chase them for it but this is not the same as that, as there the recruiters are not biased they are basically talent hunters, politics is a different ball game .. its about donations for ministries.

 

[JaDed]

A wise man once said on PP : its better to have a corrupt person in charge rather than an incompetent one. Wonder where this episode ranks in his estimation?

That actually makes sense to me.. in that logic if he has a history of good administration he would do defn do better than pencil pushers.

 

[Bewal Express]

A wise man once said on PP : its better to have a corrupt person in charge rather than an incompetent one. Wonder where this episode ranks in his estimation?

But this "wise" one supports people that are both corrupt and incompetent. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] does this 10 grader speak better Urdu than the educated Billo?

 

[JaDed]

Ex-CM of Tamil Nadu Kamaraj was a 4th standard dropout. In the 60s he was responsible for bringing free education to the disadvantaged classes and he also introduced the midday meal scheme which revolutionized primary education system in the state. Shining example that you don't need to be a Ramanujan to succeed as education minister, integrity and commitment count for more than any of the top degrees handed out in places of higher learning. Why aren't you considering the possibility that with his background he can empathize with the disadvantaged children and families in a better manner? PP posters don't represent the societies in Pak/Ind, we are the privileged lot.

Kamraj is an anomaly than a norm, if it was the norm Congress in TN would still have credibility..

Also his background says he is a businessman .. which means good administrator great for commerce minister etc but do you think education ministry is right for him?
Although [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is defn biased..

Imagine how you would feel if Smriti Irani showing fake certificate becomes the education minister.. oh wait lol

 

[Mamoon]

I asked you simple question and that was, was he any good? and instead you duck and dive.

The only person ducking and diving is you. I have asked you a dozen times to list the credentials of this man and why he deserves to be the education minister ahead of people with higher qualifications, but you continue to side-step.

Why? Because you don’t have answer. You cannot list his credentials because he doesn’t have any.

Again, let me explain one final time. You don’t need to have the physical talent of footballer to be a great manager. A poor player becoming a manager IS NOT comparable to a 10th grader becoming an Education Minister. Your analogy is as laughable as his academic career.

Can you tell me if the guy has made howlers, or made some good decisions but instead we have these long rants.

His appointment as the education minister with a Matric certificate is itself the mother of all howlers.

I dont know if the guy is useless or great but you are the one that is so hyped up because you can score some points because if its merit then consistency would be welcome because you have a spent a life time supporting crooks who`s only claim to the kursi is that they were born into the right family. Billo and Maryam want to rule a country of 220mn and have never worked a day in their life and you want them in power. Talk about a confused mind and long rants!

I will never support Maryam or Bilawal as Finance Minister or Science and Technology Minister or even Education Minister, but they are surely more qualified than this guy because at least they have studied beyond the 10th grade. Furthermore, I have already explained the difference between a Prime Minister and a specialized ministry.

 

[Mamoon]

OP has issue with anything and everything that PTI does, Pakistan does, Army does or a common Pakistani does.

He was having issue with ex-google employee hired by PTI to help in IT.

OP lives, breath, eat, smell, crap criticism of PTI for the sake of criticism, hence loss of credibility.


On topic: good luck to the person hired, if he doesn't do the job then must be let go immediately.

It sums up Imran Khan and his circus government. He either gets a competent team person for a useless job (that digital Pakistan nonsense) or he gets a useless person for an important job - this guy as Education Minister, Fawad Chaudhry as Science and Tech Minister, Firdous Awan as Information Advisor, a PPP crook as Financial Advisor, Sheikh Rasheed as Railway Minister etc. etc. The list goes on and on....and on.

The only time he got the balance right was appointing Atif Mian as an economic advisor. Unfortunately, his crime is that he is an Ahmadi and the mullahs threw fits over his appointment. As a result, Imran started to sweat bullets and removed him. Pity.

 

[Mamoon]

A wise man once said on PP : its better to have a corrupt person in charge rather than an incompetent one. Wonder where this episode ranks in his estimation?

Isn’t it obvious? You won’t find a greater example of incompetence than a 10th grader taking over as education minister. It is so ridiculous you cannot even laugh at it.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] there is a world of difference between a matriculation dropout and someone who was continuing his studies but then moved overseas to pursue an opportunity. Stating that he is a nalaik insinuates something different altogether and shows how you want to distort facts to strengthen your opinions.
Multiple certificates are not an essential requisite to being a success in life. There are many high profile examples, even in the field of politics.
Educated, competent and dishonest individuals are at the helm of most Pakistani institutions and they will be happy with retaining the status quo because it furthers there immoral agendas. They are not interested in reforms that would strengthen the institutions and provide benefits to the wider community.

There is not a world of difference between a matriculation dropout and a 12th grade dropout. The way you framed your sentence implies that he left his education during his undergrad or something, but he actually ran away without completing his 12th grade. Basically, he only studied for about 1.5 years after his matriculation which makes him terribly under-qualified.

He was either too “nalaik” to study or he did not like studying or he did not value formal education or he did not like taking exams. Whatever the reasons were, a person like him should not be anywhere near the education ministry.

Your second point regarding how multiple certificates are not essential for success and there are plenty of examples etc. is true, but that is why I have asked you multiple times to list his credentials and qualities that makes him a better candidate than people with higher education degrees.

What qualities does this man possess that the qualified people don’t? You continue to ignore these questions because you don’t have an answer, and the only reason you are supporting this appointment is because you have blind faith in Imran Khan.

PTI itself seems incapable of justifying his appointment. Two days after Imran stated that obsessing with English reflects colonial mindset, a PTI member stated that this guy has been appointed because he speaks the best English.

Whether he is the second coming of Shakespeare or an angel sent from the heavens, PTI needs to explain this decision. Unfortunately, because it is a shambolic party of incompetent clowns who only know four words (chor, daku, loot-maar, current account), they will not explain or justify this appointment because well they can’t. No one can.

 

[Mamoon]

Perhaps it is time to close this matter and end the misery of cult-followers and put an end to their gymnastics. It is abundantly clear that they do not have the capacity to defend this and I don’t blame them. This is a decision that cannot be defended. It is another addition to the ever-growing list of blunders by PTI.

Unfortunately or fortunately, this thread is a perfect demonstration of how the minds of cult-followers work and how a group of people think when they are enslaved by their devotion to an individual.

To summarize this thread, we have witnessed the following pearls of wisdom here:

- his appointment has been compared to Jose Mourinho taking over as Benfica coach in 2000.

- some have stated that it is reasonable for a 10th grader to be an education minister.

- I have asked multiple people to list his credentials and what sets him apart when compared to qualified candidates and no one has been able to give an answer.

- some have repeated the PTI unofficial slogan of chor, daku, loot-maar, current account. Although, they stopped before mentioning current account in this thread.

- some have argued that the only reason I have an issue with this is because I am anti-PTI. That is actually true - I don’t have any patience for this party of clowns, but do you really need to be anti-PTI to recognize that a 10th grader should not be education minister?

- some have stated that he did not dropout in grade 10. He climbed the Mt. Everest of the academic world before dropping out in.........grade 12.

This thread has made me both happy and sad. I am happy that I was not off the mark to label certain PTI supporters as cult-followers because this thread is a perfect example. However, I am also sad because I cannot believe that grown up, educated adults have completely lost their capacity to think because of the tabdeeli virus.

Nonetheless, one can only hope that there is a shred of sanity left in PTI leadership and they do what they usually do - take an Imran Khan (synonym for U-turn) on this decision as soon as possible and get a qualified person in place.

 

[kk1992]

Perhaps it is time to close this matter and end the misery of cult-followers and put an end to their gymnastics. It is abundantly clear that they do not have the capacity to defend this and I don’t blame them. This is a decision that cannot be defended. It is another addition to the ever-growing list of blunders by PTI.

Unfortunately or fortunately, this thread is a perfect demonstration of how the minds of cult-followers work and how a group of people think when they are enslaved by their devotion to an individual.

To summarize this thread, we have witnessed the following pearls of wisdom here:

- his appointment has been compared to Jose Mourinho taking over as Benfica coach in 2000.

- some have stated that it is reasonable for a 10th grader to be an education minister.

- I have asked multiple people to list his credentials and what sets him apart when compared to qualified candidates and no one has been able to give an answer.

- some have repeated the PTI unofficial slogan of chor, daku, loot-maar, current account. Although, they stopped before mentioning current account in this thread.

- some have argued that the only reason I have an issue with this is because I am anti-PTI. That is actually true - I don’t have any patience for this party of clowns, but do you really need to be anti-PTI to recognize that a 10th grader should not be education minister?

- some have stated that he did not dropout in grade 10. He climbed the Mt. Everest of the academic world before dropping out in.........grade 12.

This thread has made me both happy and sad. I am happy that I was not off the mark to label certain PTI supporters as cult-followers because this thread is a perfect example. However, I am also sad because I cannot believe that grown up, educated adults have completely lost their capacity to think because of the tabdeeli virus.

Nonetheless, one can only hope that there is a shred of sanity left in PTI leadership and they do what they usually do - take an Imran Khan (synonym for U-turn) on this decision as soon as possible and get a qualified person in place.

Brah! whats up with "I this" and "I that".

Ain't no body care about your feelings regarding your patience.

What matter is what is being done by PTI as whole for Pakistan.

PIT isn't a perfect political party, it will make multiple U-turn, it will make stupid decision, it will at times continue to disappoint many but it is still thousand and thousand times better than what we had for past 30 years.

You will continue to create thread over anything that has to do with PTI, will fetch for negative in positive news regarding Pakistan, and will continue to criticize for the sake of criticism, hence loss of credibility.

I am sure PTI will give you many opportunity to create many threads, member of PTI will criticize, some won't but that is with any political party.

Carry on, lol

 

[Bewal Express]

Perhaps it is time to close this matter and end the misery of cult-followers and put an end to their gymnastics. It is abundantly clear that they do not have the capacity to defend this and I don’t blame them. This is a decision that cannot be defended. It is another addition to the ever-growing list of blunders by PTI.

Unfortunately or fortunately, this thread is a perfect demonstration of how the minds of cult-followers work and how a group of people think when they are enslaved by their devotion to an individual.

To summarize this thread, we have witnessed the following pearls of wisdom here:

- his appointment has been compared to Jose Mourinho taking over as Benfica coach in 2000.

- some have stated that it is reasonable for a 10th grader to be an education minister.

- I have asked multiple people to list his credentials and what sets him apart when compared to qualified candidates and no one has been able to give an answer.

- some have repeated the PTI unofficial slogan of chor, daku, loot-maar, current account. Although, they stopped before mentioning current account in this thread.

- some have argued that the only reason I have an issue with this is because I am anti-PTI. That is actually true - I don’t have any patience for this party of clowns, but do you really need to be anti-PTI to recognize that a 10th grader should not be education minister?

- some have stated that he did not dropout in grade 10. He climbed the Mt. Everest of the academic world before dropping out in.........grade 12.

This thread has made me both happy and sad. I am happy that I was not off the mark to label certain PTI supporters as cult-followers because this thread is a perfect example. However, I am also sad because I cannot believe that grown up, educated adults have completely lost their capacity to think because of the tabdeeli virus.

Nonetheless, one can only hope that there is a shred of sanity left in PTI leadership and they do what they usually do - take an Imran Khan (synonym for U-turn) on this decision as soon as possible and get a qualified person in place.

For a start my 10th graders can tell you what a chore, lootmar and daku are, you need to look close to home find their meanings. They can also tell you what the current account deficit is, but your lack of education( hence you ran after posting some laughing emojis on the economic thread, because you didnt have even the most basis understanding that i would expect from my low ability 10 graders) means, that like all ignorant souls, its all a laughing matter.

Back to the topic, your answer is pathetic, inconsistent and evasive. I asked you a simple question- can you tell me what the guy has done good or bad and that way we have something that we can critique. He may be awful or someone with a real passion and those people are actually worth their weight in gold and instead we get long essays with nothing at all about his policy or possibly lack of.
If you are talking merit then lets talk about Billo and Maryam- why are you running son. You spend hours on here defending these 2 crooks, can you tell me if they have ever worked a day in their life. If they havent, what qualifies these crooks to lead a nation of 220mn? You talked about merit, does this guy speak Urdu like an AI prototype, because the import does! I bet you aint answering this except with something along the lines of- i worship crooks, and i have no answer. So on merit should they ever lead a political party? After your humiliation on the Bajwa issue, you are so desperate to find any issue that you can get riled up about. But alas another epic fail

 

[DeadBall]

There is not a world of difference between a matriculation dropout and a 12th grade dropout. The way you framed your sentence implies that he left his education during his undergrad or something, but he actually ran away without completing his 12th grade. Basically, he only studied for about 1.5 years after his matriculation which makes him terribly under-qualified.

He was either too “nalaik” to study or he did not like studying or he did not value formal education or he did not like taking exams. Whatever the reasons were, a person like him should not be anywhere near the education ministry.

This makes no sense, first of all there are hundreds of very well known examples of people who have dropped out of school, college, university and have gone to be huge successes, hell the Forbes billionaires list is full of them. Now you may say they were geniuses but there are also tens of thousands of such people who have had successes just not on such grand a scale. I myself know many such people.

As for the Matric thing, I myself changed from O'levels to Matric system because I went to study medicine in Romania and at the time they didn't know the difference so I figured I'd save 2 years and did it. All I learned there was "ratta" or memorizing things like a parrot without actually understanding anything which was totally different from the O'Levels where you were taught with examples, practice etc and the point was to make you understand and not just to get the best grades.

If you have studied in the Matric system, you should know this. Also if someone has 1.5 years of a 2 year thing then they are more near the completion rather than the beginning, only difference would be the final exam which someone with 1.5 years would have more chance of passing than someone with 0.5 years. It's basic maths.

As for him running away from studying because he was too nalaik or didn't value education is just conjecture on your part and would have no basis in an actual honest debate.

I agree with you that such positions such as ministries of Education, Health, Finance etc should be given to the most qualified people (unlike diplomatic offices)and there should be checks and balances but then such lines of reasoning from you like the ones mentioned above totally invalidates your whole argument and removes all credibility.

In this crusade of yours fighting single minded, brainwashed, fanatic cult members you have become one yourself.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Getting degrees is not everything.. I have seen some really stupid people get degrees in engineering.

Just because one only studied to 10th does not make one "nalaik" some people get skilled differently.

Apparently this guy went to canada and worked in construction business. A damn hard field.

 

[Pakistanian]

From an American perspective this is very inspiring. To be a high school drop out yet be so successful is inspiring, this man may not have degrees and diplomas but he is still educated. In America most liberals would support him because of his inspiring backstory, it's ironic how so called "liberals" in Pakistan uphold artificial and classist stipulations as a yardstick of education and success.

 

[mgtow]

In this thread, [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is spot on and that goes without saying which implies common sense that is often found missing in Imranistan who cannot even justify the decision of Imran Khan properly in this case.

 

[mgtow]

Getting degrees is not everything.. I have seen some really stupid people get degrees in engineering.

Just because one only studied to 10th does not make one "nalaik" some people get skilled differently.

Apparently this guy went to canada and worked in construction business. A damn hard field.

Then it makes sense to include him as chairman of construction business because of experience on this field. That doesn’t explain the relevancy to an educational institutions.