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"Kuldeep Yadav can challenge Yasir Shah to become the best leg-spinner in the world" : Shane Warne

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If young Kuldeep remains patient when he’s bowling in all forms then he could challenge Yasir as the best leg spinner in the world & quickly</p>— Shane Warne (@ShaneWarne) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShaneWarne/status/914437501238038529?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 1, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If young Kuldeep remains patient when he’s bowling in all forms then he could challenge Yasir as the best leg spinner in the world & quickly</p>— Shane Warne (@ShaneWarne) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShaneWarne/status/914437501238038529?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 1, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Warne igniting the fire to start another India vs Pakistan fight :misbah

On a serious note though, yasir is no match for young kuldeep :srini
 
Very talented bowler. Another good opition for India. He will certainly pick up wickets in LO as this is a weak era of spin playing. Furthermore he has the variety to cause problems.
 
ToeCrusher2 said:
Warne igniting the fire to start another India vs Pakistan fight :misbah

On a serious note though, yasir is no match for young kuldeep :srini
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of course no match one is leg spinner other is chinaman spinner

yasir is currently best leg spinner in test and other is just newbie to international
 
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I really rate Kuldeep Yadav. I first saw him in the CLT20 against Lahore Lions and both me and my dad said that he has a lot of potential. I'm glad to see him doing well, even if it is for India. He seems like a decent guy as well, doesn't come across as arrogant as some other Indian players. Wish him well
 
hadi123 said:
I really rate Kuldeep Yadav. I first saw him in the CLT20 against Lahore Lions and both me and my dad said that he has a lot of potential. I'm glad to see him doing well, even if it is for India. He seems like a decent guy as well, doesn't come across as arrogant as some other Indian players. Wish him well
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Don;t think the captain has too much faith in him, if true that;d be really bad for his future!
 
I rate Kuldeep definitely. Great action, variations and a clear head on top. Was one of the main factors of India's win vs Australia in the deciding Dharamsala Test as well on a pitch that was far from your typical Indian mud pit. The challenge obviously, would come overseas but seeing the bar that legends like Ashwin and Jadeja have set for overseas performance, it shouldn't be that hard for Kuldeep to at least be better than them. Hoping he gets to play all 3 Tests in SA.
 
Kuldeep Yadav's main challenge is to secure a regular place in the playing XI first. Breaking into BCCI playing XI is quite tough.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Let the guy overtake Shadab first, then we'll talk about Yas.
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May be Shadab will have many more wickets in compare to Kuldeep but right now I don't see how come Sahadab is even ahead? What Shadab has done spectacular in international cricket to be rated above Kuldeep. Kuldeep already bowled two great spell in test match in the first inning as rookie and his place is not even confirms because of Ashwin and Jadeja.
 
Gotta agree kuldeep is really talented he can challenge Yasir but still long way to go for him.Shadab is his appropriate competition right now.
 
He has to first compete with Lakshan Sandakan to become the best Chinaman bowler.
 
very early to draw any conclusion. By this time next year, hopefully with around 15 tests under his belt, we can make a better prediction
 
ExpressPacer said:
Let the guy overtake Shadab first, then we'll talk about Yas.
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Both are in early stages of their career, so it is not really useful to compare. If you insist Shadab lets look at their records. Only format where Shadbad has some decent record is in T20Is. in that format Shadbad has taken 10 wickets at around 7.5 average against WI. After that he played against semi decent bunch of World XI and his average jumped to nearly 50 runs with an economy of 9 runs. Almost all Shadab's success have come against hapless WI in T20Is. in ODIs he averages decent 30 against WI but average jumps to 43. And in tests he just has 1 wicket at 145.

Compared to him Kuldeep has made a decent start against Sri Lanka (good players of spin) Australia (pretty average, although they won a test and a one day match in India) in all three formats. Lets give them an year and see where they will be. there is nothing in the evidence which shows Shadab is ahead for Kuldeep for him to catch up. Any fair minded fan would put Kuldeep ahead.
 
Any decent or average legspinner basically excites Warnie because there aren't many of them.

I expect Kuldee to be a boss in LOI and Yasir to be excellent in tests only in subcontinent and west indies, with the odd performance overseas
 
Will see when he will become the fastest spinner to 150 wickets
 
Kuldeep will find it hard to play Tests for the next 2-3yrs until one of Jaddu or Ashwin starts to fade.

As of now, Kuldeep should be the first choice spinner in LOI's. He needs to improve his accuracy more for Tests.

For Overseas Tests, I would want Kuldeep to partner either Ashwin or Jaddu.
 
Itachi said:
Surprisingly Indians don't rate him that much lol.
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He is a gun bowler for LOI's. But for Tests, he is not better than Ash and Jaddu in Asian conditions. But Kuldeep is a must in overseas. He should partner Jaddu or Ashwin there.
 
Titan24 said:
Will see when he will become the fastest spinner to 150 wickets
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That is never going to happen. India has other bowlers who take loads of wickets and are match winners in their own right. Yasir bowls maximum overs for pakistan and takes most wickets. Kuldeep willl have to share his loot with others
 
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saeed5646 said:
of course no match one is leg spinner other is chinaman spinner

yasir is currently best leg spinner in test and other is just newbie to international
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A better leg spinner than Yasir is in making in Indian first class. Be afraid. Very afraid. :misbah
 
Itachi said:
Surprisingly Indians don't rate him that much lol.
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Most Indians rate him highly. He is not perfect though. Nobody is. He needs to be a little faster.
Kohli, I feel, is a bit indifferent of kuldeep. Just impression. Nothing that he said about kuldeep. Maybe because of fitness.
 
Watch out for Shubhman gill and Rahul chahar both look exciting talent pretty young as well especially Shubhman, tall kid has a pretty strong body and shoulders.
 
Pollack said:
A better leg spinner than Yasir is in making in Indian first class. Be afraid. Very afraid. :misbah
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first he needs to replace ashwin or jadeja in test which seems not possible in next 3 to 4 years

than we can talk about this kid with yasir in test and BTW why would i afraid of him ?
 
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People are reading too much into his comments. Read carefully. His tweet doesn't actually say very much. All he says is Yadav could challenge Yasir at some point as no 1 spinner.

It doesn't say Yadav has overtaken Yasir, nor does it he will definitely overtake him. Nor does it set a time period. In other words he is saying Yasir is still world no 1 legspinner, and will remain so for the foreseeable future.
 
JaDed said:
On the contrary, no one rates Yuz Chahal except one of the posters above.
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Who?? If its me then I rate
Kuldeep >>>> Chahal.
But chahal is fine for now. Better than jaddu and ashwin at least in ODIs.
 
saeed5646 said:
first he needs to replace ashwin or jadeja in test which seems not possible in next 3 to 4 years

than we can talk about this kid with yasir in test and BTW why would i afraid of him ?
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I was talking of Rahul Chahar. He would take some years to make into team.Only 18. Many Indian fans seem to rate him high as an early indication of promising leg spinner.
 
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Itachi said:
Surprisingly Indians don't rate him that much lol.
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Indians don't rate him? He was the most hyped spinner even before his debut, you should hang out on some Indian fan sites to see how highly he is rated by Indians
 
ToeCrusher2 said:
Indians don't rate him? He was the most hyped spinner even before his debut, you should hang out on some Indian fan sites to see how highly he is rated by Indians
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No need for that, even before his debut me & many other said that he's the next big thing. What I saw in the last Duleep trophy was his control, his variety at such an age is just pure genius. What he needs now is a captain who backs him 200% though from what I've seen of Kohli, he doesn't unlike say Border wrt Warne!

A young leggie needs all the support he can get, the first few years essentially make or break them, if he can survive & still be a force by the time Ashwin is on his last legs then I do expect Kuldeep to end up being a bigger match winner (i.e. bowler) than Ashwin, especially overseas.
 
Kuldeep Yadav- the next big thing

I think hes the man to watch out. He will trouble england, australia, south africa and newzealand. Srilanka are not that good. pakistan struggle against leg spin:
 
Man this kid is the real deal. Move over Jadeja and Ashwin, Kuldeep is in town. He seems a really solid Chinaman and could potentially turn out to be one of the best. LOI wise he's already better than Yasir. It would interesting to see how he does in Test cricket in future
 
mkyawar said:
I think hes the man to watch out. He will trouble england, australia, south africa and newzealand. Srilanka are not that good. pakistan struggle against leg spin:
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Where did you get this from?
 
Kuldeep in LOIs is very dangerous and outright match winner.

Yasir in tests is a legend in the making.

Overall Yasir >> Kuldepe because test cricket is what matters in the end.
 
Kuldeep has the advantage of being left handed, they are very rare. But Yasir Shah has the capability to bowl tight when things arent working.
 
gazza619 said:
Kuldeep has the advantage of being left handed, they are very rare. But Yasir Shah has the capability to bowl tight when things arent working.
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I always thought Yasir was a wicket taker primarily. He was not able to stop Aussie scoring above 5rpo at times against him in Australia. Not that many spinners are capable of that.
 
Still remember the time when and out of form Shoaib Malik took a new and upcoming Kuldeep to cleaners during Champions League in 2014. Kuldeep has improved a lot since then. But Yasir and Kuldeep are two different type of bowlers.
Kuldeep probably has more potential.
Yasir has been extremely good in Tests. Kuldeep has only played a few Tests i think.

Yasir is more of a traditional leg break bowler while Kuldeep is more of a modern spinner. I think a comparison between Kuldeep and Rashid or Shadab or even Sandakan would be better.
 
JattMaula said:
I always thought Yasir was a wicket taker primarily. He was not able to stop Aussie scoring above 5rpo at times against him in Australia. Not that many spinners are capable of that.
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True the aussie tour was the worst of Yasir’s career. But still i am talking about overall record. Yasir is a wicket taking bowler but generally also is economical with his quick leg breaks. Kuldeep on the other hand has not proved anything to the world yet, still has a long way to go but i like his confidence.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Still remember the time when and out of form Shoaib Malik took a new and upcoming Kuldeep to cleaners during Champions League in 2014. Kuldeep has improved a lot since then. But Yasir and Kuldeep are two different type of bowlers.
Kuldeep probably has more potential.
Yasir has been extremely good in Tests. Kuldeep has only played a few Tests i think.

Yasir is more of a traditional leg break bowler while Kuldeep is more of a modern spinner. I think a comparison between Kuldeep and Rashid or Shadab or even Sandakan would be better.
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Adil Rashid should not be included in the analysis, he is a big failure in tests.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Still remember the time when and out of form Shoaib Malik took a new and upcoming Kuldeep to cleaners during Champions League in 2014. Kuldeep has improved a lot since then. But Yasir and Kuldeep are two different type of bowlers.
Kuldeep probably has more potential.
Yasir has been extremely good in Tests. Kuldeep has only played a few Tests i think.

Yasir is more of a traditional leg break bowler while Kuldeep is more of a modern spinner. I think a comparison between Kuldeep and Rashid or Shadab or even Sandakan would be better.
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Err no, yadav is more traditionally a classic spinner, he flights the ball ,goes for spin or googly. He never relies on variation like Shadab .
 
Navdeep Srivastava said:
Err no, yadav is more traditionally a classic spinner, he flights the ball ,goes for spin or googly. He never relies on variation like Shadab .
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Which spinner doesn't rely on variation? I think you meant that he doesn't solely rely on the googly.

And no, Shadab is a much cleverer bowler than he is usually credited. You wouldn't impress all around the world at the age of 19 if you weren't.
 
OmarKhan99 said:
Which spinner doesn't rely on variation? I think you meant that he doesn't solely rely on the googly.

And no, Shadab is a much cleverer bowler than he is usually credited. You wouldn't impress all around the world at the age of 19 if you weren't.
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Shadab is more like Rashid Khan. Not a big turner of the ball and mostly bowls quick. Kuldeep is traditional wrist spinner similar to Yasir Shah. Relies on flight, turn, drift etc. So Shadab and Kuldeep are different style spinners.
 
And here I thought Warne was on our side:sanga

In all seriousness, Kuldeep will likely overtake Yasir in a couple of years.
 
giri26 said:
Shadab is more like Rashid Khan. Not a big turner of the ball and mostly bowls quick. Kuldeep is traditional wrist spinner similar to Yasir Shah. Relies on flight, turn, drift etc. So Shadab and Kuldeep are different style spinners.
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Yes, I agree. But flight, degree of turn and drift are all "variations" in a spinner's armory. A spinner will be very one dimensional and not be international standard if he "doesn't rely on variation."
 
Yasir Shah is way better :) Kuldeep did well against England big deal it's a known fact England can't play spin even imad wasim took wickets against England and he is not a good bowler
 
nextover666666 said:
Yasir Shah is way better :) Kuldeep did well against England big deal it's a known fact England can't play spin even imad wasim took wickets against England and he is not a good bowler
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Yasir is more tried and tested because he's played more test matches. But it's just not true that he is "way better".

Your "way better" bowler averages just under 30 in tests which nothing exceptional. Yes he is very good but he's not great by any means.

Yasir has played 17 ODIs and taken 18 wickets at 42.5. And he hasn't been able to contain runs either by leaking 5.4 an over. Kuldeep in comparison has taken 39 wickets in 20 games averaging 20 and an economy rate of 4.8. He also has an ODI hattrick against Australia already.

Comparing Yasir's achievements to Kuldeep - I don't see anything to say that Yasir is "better". But yes, he is a more proven test player because Kuldeep has only played 2 tests.
 
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Navdeep Srivastava said:
Err no, yadav is more traditionally a classic spinner, he flights the ball ,goes for spin or googly. He never relies on variation like Shadab .
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I didn't mean like that. Yasir is someone who bowls quicker in the air, a bit like Kumble but relies on spin and line and length more, and his main weapons are his relentless accuracy of line and length and his main variations are flight, spin, pace and drift. Kuldeep is sorta big spinner of the ball. I don't know how to say it, but Yasir is a bit of cross of Kumble and Mushtaq. Kumble was also not a big spinner of the ball but relied on control, flight and drfit. Younis famously said that he played Kumble like an inswing bowler. Yasir, if you watch closely, he relies on an energetic and fast bowling action while Kuldeep and other leggies i mentioned have a different bowling action in which they generate pace from the force of the shoulder. Yasir in terms of action is very much Kumble-ish but has a different armory set. I remember, a well reputed commie from England probably Bumble or Boycott mentioned the same thing as well while comparing Yasir's bowling action with other leggies.
 
He's a quality bowler. Love the fact he's willing to flight the ball even if it means he will get hit for runs.

No doubt in my mind he'll surpass Yasir.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
I didn't mean like that. Yasir is someone who bowls quicker in the air, a bit like Kumble but relies on spin and line and length more, and his main weapons are his relentless accuracy of line and length and his main variations are flight, spin, pace and drift. Kuldeep is sorta big spinner of the ball. I don't know how to say it, but Yasir is a bit of cross of Kumble and Mushtaq. Kumble was also not a big spinner of the ball but relied on control, flight and drfit. Younis famously said that he played Kumble like an inswing bowler. Yasir, if you watch closely, he relies on an energetic and fast bowling action while Kuldeep and other leggies i mentioned have a different bowling action in which they generate pace from the force of the shoulder. Yasir in terms of action is very much Kumble-ish but has a different armory set. I remember, a well reputed commie from England probably Bumble or Boycott mentioned the same thing as well while comparing Yasir's bowling action with other leggies.
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Yeah so Kumble was anything but a classical spinner. He was one of the most unorthodox wrist spinners ever, actually.

Classical spinners use a lot of flight and dip - that's the style of Kuldeep.

Yasir Shah bowls a lot quicker which is a main feature of modern or unorthodox spinners.
 
the_outsider said:
Yeah so Kumble was anything but a classical spinner. He was one of the most unorthodox wrist spinners ever, actually.

Classical spinners use a lot of flight and dip - that's the style of Kuldeep.

Yasir Shah bowls a lot quicker which is a main feature of modern or unorthodox spinners.
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Yeah i know, but that was the reason why i was saying that comparing Yasir and Kuldeep is not a good comparison. They are too very different bowlers.
 
Kuldeep is the next big thing. I can't even lie. He's gonna be great for India in all formats. The drift and turn he gets, along with his fantastic Googly is almost unplayable.

Yasir is the better test bowler as of now but I wouldn't be surprised if he takes over in the coming years.

Also kuldeep will be much better than Ashwin or jadeja.
 
I wonder what the rise of Chahal and Kuldeep means for "Ash" and "Jaddu". I quite liked Ashwin
 
Regardless how great is Kuldeep but how can he get 165+ wickets in 2 years is beyond my imagination. Highest he can get 100 wickets in 2 years which even Warne or Murali didn't get that.
 
Shafi said:
Regardless how great is Kuldeep but how can he get 165+ wickets in 2 years is beyond my imagination. Highest he can get 100 wickets in 2 years which even Warne or Murali didn't get that.
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Yasir got 165+ in 2 years?
 
the_outsider said:
Yasir is more tried and tested because he's played more test matches. But it's just not true that he is "way better".

Your "way better" bowler averages just under 30 in tests which nothing exceptional. Yes he is very good but he's not great by any means.

Yasir has played 17 ODIs and taken 18 wickets at 42.5. And he hasn't been able to contain runs either by leaking 5.4 an over. Kuldeep in comparison has taken 39 wickets in 20 games averaging 20 and an economy rate of 4.8. He also has an ODI hattrick against Australia already.

Comparing Yasir's achievements to Kuldeep - I don't see anything to say that Yasir is "better". But yes, he is a more proven test player because Kuldeep has only played 2 tests.
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Yasir is Way Better :)
 
Although I like what I saw in Kuldeep, he seems a very smart and tricky bowler but with just a handful of matches under his belt and only 1 test at home...he is already much better than Yasir; you gotta love these Indian fans lol

This is true for every new bowler/batsman that comes from India, they automatcially become the best ever over any/all bowlers Pak has ever produced!
 
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