Labour Party Manifesto launch for 2017 General Election

[s28]

An incredible event. Labour returning to it's Democratic Socialist roots as a Party for the Working People. A major break with the last 30 years of acquiescence to a neo-liberal agenda

 

[s28]

and it is fully costed



and they are going to go after the tax dodgers

 

[IMMY69]

That's just brilliant!!

If labour win I will be poorer in every way and will have to let staff go.

 

[IMMY69]

I would also have to pull my daughter out of school for her last year of A levels.

 

[s28]

But you'd accept the result presumably because it's democratic decision?

 

[IMMY69]

But you'd accept the result presumably because it's democratic decision?

I don't think Labour will win.. If by some chance they do then of course I'll have to accept it.
But trust me, you work your *** off for 20 years, build up a business, employ people, contribute towards their pension (both publicly and privately in the form if Employer's NI contribution and now Private Pension), and you're told that you have to contribute more!

How about the hundreds of thousands who live of benefits and are too lazy to get a job, even a part time job, because what they'd earn in salary would be the same (sometimes less) then what they would get in state handouts?

 

[Zahid87]

Am disillusioned by the current May government, and the direction they are heading in but this is alarming by Corbyn.

Populist policies that try and appeal to the voter at the lower end of the scale are dangerous at best, but its even worse when you have someone who may actually attempt to pull it off.

I have worked hard from a non-privileged background to put myself in a position where I am able to live a more comfortable life then my parents. Why should I then be punished through extra taxation.

 

[s28]

If you earn over £80k a year you should pay more. Taxation is the price you pay for living in civilised society.

 

[s28]

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today, Labour launched an ambitious plan to transform our country. Another future is possible - If we want it. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LabourManifesto?src=hash">#LabourManifesto</a> <a href="https://t.co/xznWSNqkkR">pic.twitter.com/xznWSNqkkR</a></p>— #EL4C (@EL4JC) <a href="https://twitter.com/EL4JC/status/864461927594024960">May 16, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[IMMY69]

If you earn over £80k a year you should pay more. Taxation is the price you pay for living in civilised society.

Mate £80k in London gets you nothing.

Like I said before, what is the incentive to try and make more money? To go into business and grow the business so that you can employ people and help the economy to grow?

 

[Markhor]

Am disillusioned by the current May government, and the direction they are heading in but this is alarming by Corbyn.

Populist policies that try and appeal to the voter at the lower end of the scale are dangerous at best, but its even worse when you have someone who may actually attempt to pull it off.

I have worked hard from a non-privileged background to put myself in a position where I am able to live a more comfortable life then my parents. Why should I then be punished through extra taxation.

I am not a Corbyn supporter, and don't believe this is a fully costed manifesto as those tax intake estimates are optimistic to say the least. But this is questionable logic by you and [MENTION=491]IMMY69[/MENTION] and reminds me of the "You didn't build that" row in the 2012 US election.

Progressive taxation is a way for the successful can give back to society what they've taken. Nobody doubts you guys worked hard but nobody becomes successful on their own. You can drive to work knowing the government has invested in our roads and bridges. You are healthy because we have ensured universal access to free and affordable healthcare. It is in YOUR interest that you can hire well educated workers when we as a society ensure our kids get access to quality schooling no matter their income. Your home and your family are safe because we invest in public policing.

Right-wing ideology is to climb up the ladder and kick it away for the next generation. I'd prefer to climb the ladder then offer a hand for the next person so our society and economy becomes more prosperous instead of having these horrendous levels of inequality that we have today - which hurts our economy practically forget morally.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. These services must be paid for either by increased taxation as the demand for these services grow, or we let them rot as they are now under the Conservatives who've made an ideological decision to cut the size of the state which has hurt millions of people in the country and caused chaos in our NHS and schools.

Most European countries seem to have this figured out, but bizarrely we Brits demand Scandinavian levels of public services but with American levels of taxation.

 

[s28]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A proud day for us in <a href="https://twitter.com/UKLabour">@UKLabour</a our Manifesto has just been released. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ForTheMany?src=hash">#ForTheMany</a>. Read it, discuss it, share it: <a href="https://t.co/YRw3HVBoxo">https://t.co/YRw3HVBoxo</a></p>— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/864438801929834497">16 May 2017</a></blockquote>
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[s28]

Mate £80k in London gets you nothing.

Like I said before, what is the incentive to try and make more money? To go into business and grow the business so that you can employ people and help the economy to grow?

I've lived in London and worked in the City. The City caused the crash in 2008 and it's been the rest of society paying the bill for the last ten years. Time for the City/London to start paying it's fair share.

"We're all in this together"

 

[s28]

You can watch the full Manifesto launch here and get it from the horses mouth rather than the Establishment media snark about it

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[IMMY69]

I am not a Corbyn supporter, and don't believe this is a fully costed manifesto as those tax intake estimates are optimistic to say the least. But this is questionable logic by you and [MENTION=491]IMMY69[/MENTION] and reminds me of the "You didn't build that" row in the 2012 US election.

Progressive taxation is a way for the successful can give back to society what they've taken. Nobody doubts you guys worked hard but nobody becomes successful on their own. You can drive to work knowing the government has invested in our roads and bridges. You are healthy because we have ensured universal access to free and affordable healthcare. It is in YOUR interest that you can hire well educated workers when we as a society ensure our kids get access to quality schooling no matter their income. Your home and your family are safe because we invest in public policing.

Right-wing ideology is to climb up the ladder and kick it away for the next generation. I'd prefer to climb the ladder then offer a hand for the next person so our society and economy becomes more prosperous instead of having these horrendous levels of inequality that we have today - which hurts our economy practically forget morally.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. These services must be paid for either by increased taxation as the demand for these services grow, or we let them rot as they are now under the Conservatives who've made an ideological decision to cut the size of the state which has hurt millions of people in the country and caused chaos in our NHS and schools.

Most European countries seem to have this figured out, but bizarrely we Brits demand Scandinavian levels of public services but with American levels of taxation.

I get your point and there was a time when I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly.

However, and to give an example, the NHS. You can throw billions at it and the money will be wasted.
I've seen it happen from 1997 to 2010.

You take any NHS run hospital and compare it to a privately run hospital and you'll see the difference.
I'm not talking about 4 to 6 hours waiting in A&E, i'm talking about a properly run hospital where the money is spent correctly because of proper management.

The problem with BIG government is that it is derived from a sense of entitlement and this leads to big spending with little accountability.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Fantastic stuff by the visionary leader Mr Corbyn. I assume he'll also be planting loads of these....

 

[Markhor]

How about the hundreds of thousands who live of benefits and are too lazy to get a job, even a part time job, because what they'd earn in salary would be the same (sometimes less) then what they would get in state handouts?

There are now 7 million people in poverty despite being part of a working family according to the Rowntree Foundation. They scrimp and save for years and still its not enough to feed their families, pay their bills and send their kids to school. If ever there was a sign of a broken, imbalanced economy.

Our communities once had stable, well paying manufacturing jobs that they could pass onto their kids, retire with a decent amount saved in the kitty and have peace of mind. We decided to put a bullet through those industries, who for years were chronically under-invested in compared to their German and Japanese counterparts, and moved towards services and financial sector led economy. Ironically the Tories had to spend huge sums putting people on incapacity benefit to fiddle the unemployment numbers yet nobody talks about wasteful Tory welfare spending.

Now we have the tragic sight of once proud working class men and their kids working in bars and takeaways asking "whether you'd like chips with that" whilst being paid a pittance so government has to subsidise this poverty pay through welfare. If we invested in our industries and create decent jobs and introduced a proper living wage - we could actually cut the welfare bill.

You're complaining about paying for benefits for people who don't want to work. Let me ask you this - what percentage of welfare spending is for the unemployed ? 1% - ONE PERCENT is the answer.

The biggest contributors to the welfare bill are pensioners (we won't touch them because they actually vote), the disabled and those on housing benefit - which makes up £27bn. We could reduce that benefit bill further by investing in affordable housing to rent. Instead Maggie flogged off the council houses at dirt-cheap prices and didn't even bother to replace them, with the cost of rent soaring to the point where they make up half of renters' average wages ! New Labour did sweet FA on housing - again I'm not a fan of Corbyn but thank god a UK political leader is finally talking about the appalling state of housing in this country.

 

[IMMY69]

I've lived in London and worked in the City. The City caused the crash in 2008 and it's been the rest of society paying the bill for the last ten years. Time for the City/London to start paying it's fair share.

"We're all in this together"

Yes and that was under a Labour Government just after Gordon Brown sold of our gold reserves.

2008 credit crunch stemmed from the US and was one of driving factors of house price inflation.
Lending upto 10, 15 times your salary thus creating bad loans which were soled on to other banks across the world. Stricter banking regulations are in place because of all this.

Labour borrowing and selling off gold exacerbated our problems. Why should everyone in London suffer for this? London contributes more to the entire GDP of the UK then all the other bigger cities combined.

 

[IMMY69]

There are now 7 million people in poverty despite being part of a working family according to the Rowntree Foundation. They scrimp and save for years and still its not enough to feed their families, pay their bills and send their kids to school. If ever there was a sign of a broken, imbalanced economy.

Our communities once had stable, well paying manufacturing jobs that they could pass onto their kids, retire with a decent amount saved in the kitty and have peace of mind. We decided to put a bullet through those industries, who for years were chronically under-invested in compared to their German and Japanese counterparts, and moved towards services and financial sector led economy. Ironically the Tories had to spend huge sums putting people on incapacity benefit to fiddle the unemployment numbers yet nobody talks about wasteful Tory welfare spending.

Now we have the tragic sight of once proud working class men and their kids working in bars and takeaways asking "whether you'd like chips with that" whilst being paid a pittance so government has to subsidise this poverty pay through welfare. If we invested in our industries and create decent jobs and introduced a proper living wage - we could actually cut the welfare bill.

You're complaining about paying for benefits for people who don't want to work. Let me ask you this - what percentage of welfare spending is for the unemployed ? 1% - ONE PERCENT is the answer.

The biggest contributors to the welfare bill are pensioners (we won't touch them because they actually vote), the disabled and those on housing benefit - which makes up £27bn. We could reduce that benefit bill further by investing in affordable housing to rent. Instead Maggie flogged off the council houses at dirt-cheap prices and didn't even bother to replace them, with the cost of rent soaring to the point where they make up half of renters' average wages ! New Labour did sweet FA on housing - again I'm not a fan of Corbyn but thank god a UK political leader is finally talking about the appalling state of housing in this country.

I'm not qualified to speak about the state of housing in the cities outside of London.
But I can London but will keep this for a private conversation one day.
The things I can tell you about property in London will I'm sure open your eyes in many ways.

Other then that, and whilst agreeing with you with regards to social housing and Maggie, I'm afraid I have no faith in politicians, particularly Labour Ministers, interfering in daily life.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I get your point and there was a time when I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly.

However, and to give an example, the NHS. You can throw billions at it and the money will be wasted.
I've seen it happen from 1997 to 2010.

You take any NHS run hospital and compare it to a privately run hospital and you'll see the difference.
I'm not talking about 4 to 6 hours waiting in A&E, i'm talking about a properly run hospital where the money is spent correctly because of proper management.

The problem with BIG government is that it is derived from a sense of entitlement and this leads to big spending with little accountability.

How would the less well off pay for the exemplary privately run hospitals? I suppose they could move to Scotland and use the money they saved from paying for higher education to pay for medical insurance.

 

[s28]

Yes and that was under a Labour Government just after Gordon Brown sold of our gold reserves.

2008 credit crunch stemmed from the US and was one of driving factors of house price inflation.
Lending upto 10, 15 times your salary thus creating bad loans which were soled on to other banks across the world. Stricter banking regulations are in place because of all this.

Labour borrowing and selling off gold exacerbated our problems. Why should everyone in London suffer for this? London contributes more to the entire GDP of the UK then all the other bigger cities combined.

This is total economic illiteracy on your part.

The Gold was sold in 1999-2002 and was worth c. $4bn

The cost of the Bank Bailout was in the multiple billions.

The current UK Government Debt is £1700bn

The Gold sale is a drop in the ocean

 

[IMMY69]

This is total economic illiteracy on your part.

The Gold was sold in 1999-2002 and was worth c. $4bn

The cost of the Bank Bailout was in the multiple billions.

The current UK Government Debt is £1700bn

The Gold sale is a drop in the ocean

I bow my head in shame.

 

[IMMY69]

How would the less well off pay for the exemplary privately run hospitals? I suppose they could move to Scotland and use the money they saved from paying for higher education to pay for medical insurance.

That was not my point

 

[s28]

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Do you agree with Labour's vision? <a href="https://t.co/0FEFaFZU4I">pic.twitter.com/0FEFaFZU4I</a></p>— Momentum (@PeoplesMomentum) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/864854219723091970">17 May 2017</a></blockquote>
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[James]

Manifesto looks pretty good.

Will be researching my local candidates and then will go from there.

 

[Robert]

I get your point and there was a time when I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly.

However, and to give an example, the NHS. You can throw billions at it and the money will be wasted.
I've seen it happen from 1997 to 2010.

You take any NHS run hospital and compare it to a privately run hospital and you'll see the difference.
I'm not talking about 4 to 6 hours waiting in A&E, i'm talking about a properly run hospital where the money is spent correctly because of proper management.

That is insulting to NHS managers. I have known several of these exemplary people.

Private hospitals in the U.K. are under little pressure. They are for elective surgery only, so can plan well in advance. They do not have A&E departments. They do not have bed-blocking patients who cannot be discharged due to a lack of social care - their clients do not need such care. NHS hospitals have to deal with whatever the public throws at them, and can cope very well as long as their budget is equal to the demand. Currently, it is not.

 

[s28]

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here's Hassan, at Labour’s manifesto launch in Bradford, on why he's backing <a href="https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn">@jeremycorbyn</a> <a href="https://t.co/L8TWnU97vq">pic.twitter.com/L8TWnU97vq</a></p>— Paul Waugh (@paulwaugh) <a href="https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/864832635255873538">17 May 2017</a></blockquote>
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[GBK_Fan]

I am not a Corbyn supporter, and don't believe this is a fully costed manifesto as those tax intake estimates are optimistic to say the least. But this is questionable logic by you and [MENTION=491]IMMY69[/MENTION] and reminds me of the "You didn't build that" row in the 2012 US election.

Progressive taxation is a way for the successful can give back to society what they've taken. Nobody doubts you guys worked hard but nobody becomes successful on their own. You can drive to work knowing the government has invested in our roads and bridges. You are healthy because we have ensured universal access to free and affordable healthcare. It is in YOUR interest that you can hire well educated workers when we as a society ensure our kids get access to quality schooling no matter their income. Your home and your family are safe because we invest in public policing.

Right-wing ideology is to climb up the ladder and kick it away for the next generation. I'd prefer to climb the ladder then offer a hand for the next person so our society and economy becomes more prosperous instead of having these horrendous levels of inequality that we have today - which hurts our economy practically forget morally.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. These services must be paid for either by increased taxation as the demand for these services grow, or we let them rot as they are now under the Conservatives who've made an ideological decision to cut the size of the state which has hurt millions of people in the country and caused chaos in our NHS and schools.

Most European countries seem to have this figured out, but bizarrely we Brits demand Scandinavian levels of public services but with American levels of taxation.

The way in which Labour is going about it, it's going to be difficult growing and competing with businesses worldwide. Even for high earners or fat cats Why would they prefer staying in London with the increased taxes? Why not take the option of moving to France or even Dublin, when given the choice? With Brexit looming Labours manifesto is anything but business friendly. How will you have more jobs when you cannot get over your pathological hate for business?

 

[Kianig89]

Seems a good manifesto with focus on taxation and education

PTI in KPK is also providing free education and meal to primary students

 

[s28]

This is a brilliant watch. US Progressives loving Sarah Champion taking down Sky's Adam Boulton

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[IMMY69]

That is insulting to NHS managers. I have known several of these exemplary people.

Private hospitals in the U.K. are under little pressure. They are for elective surgery only, so can plan well in advance. They do not have A&E departments. They do not have bed-blocking patients who cannot be discharged due to a lack of social care - their clients do not need such care. NHS hospitals have to deal with whatever the public throws at them, and can cope very well as long as their budget is equal to the demand. Currently, it is not.

Unfortunately several people does not reflect the wider spectrum.

I understand what you are saying about Private vs NHS and I have a lot of respect for the NHS Hospitals.
The Hospitals around where I live are excellent, on par if not better then some of the private hospitals.
Waiting time at A&E can be from zero up to 3 hours. So I know just how lucky I am.

But I also have surgeon friends who work at NHS hospitals and consult at private hospitals and they tell me about how badly managed some of the NHS hospitals are.

Robert, I've also been in the housing sector for the last 3 years and deal with a cross spectrum of tenants and some Councils so I know exactly how the system is played. Put it this way, you would be demanding some of your tax money back if you knew how it was being spent with respect to Housing Benefit.

 

[Robert]

Unfortunately several people does not reflect the wider spectrum.

I understand what you are saying about Private vs NHS and I have a lot of respect for the NHS Hospitals.
The Hospitals around where I live are excellent, on par if not better then some of the private hospitals.
Waiting time at A&E can be from zero up to 3 hours. So I know just how lucky I am.

But I also have surgeon friends who work at NHS hospitals and consult at private hospitals and they tell me about how badly managed some of the NHS hospitals are.

So what's your solution. Privatise the entire NHS?

Robert, I've also been in the housing sector for the last 3 years and deal with a cross spectrum of tenants and some Councils so I know exactly how the system is played. Put it this way, you would be demanding some of your tax money back if you knew how it was being spent with respect to Housing Benefit.

The NHS is not controlled by the Councils - hasn't been since the seventies IIRC. In some ways it would make more sense if it was, as social care would mesh with it.

 

[IMMY69]

So what's your solution. Privatise the entire NHS?



The NHS is not controlled by the Councils - hasn't been since the seventies IIRC. In some ways it would make more sense if it was, as social care would mesh with it.

I don't think the solution is to privatise the NHS. Rather streamline it so that there are less managers and more nurses and doctors. Of course, its not as simple as that but I just don't think that throwing money at it is going to fix the problem. Labour did that between 1997 and 2010.

 

[s28]

I was out canvassing for Labour today. Almost universally popular reactions. There is a stark contrast between Labour's Hope for the future and the pledge to help the Many rather than the few versus the Conservative miserable and negative view of the future as they serve the 1%

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'm voting Labour because... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GE2017?src=hash">#GE2017</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/VoteLabour?src=hash">#VoteLabour</a> <a href="https://t.co/4NTFDEcdqV">pic.twitter.com/4NTFDEcdqV</a></p>— I was a JSA claimant (@imajsaclaimant) <a href="https://twitter.com/imajsaclaimant/status/865632121599270912">19 May 2017</a></blockquote>
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[s28]

If anyone wishes to order a copy of the Labour manifesto you can do so here

https://shop.labour.org.uk/products/handbooks-publications/