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Last nail in the coffin? "Why do you assume that they came from Pakistan?': Chidambaram's blunt remarks on Pahalgam attackers

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"Why do you assume that they came from Pakistan?': Chidambaram's remark on Pahalgam attackers stirs row; BJP hits back

In an interview with news outlet The Quint, Chidambaram said the government has not provided enough information and accused it of being unwilling to share key details.

"Where are the terrorist attackers? Why have you not apprehended them, or even identified them? A news item had emerged about the arrest of a few people who gave the attackers shelter. What happened to them?" he asked, referring to the April 22 attack in Jammu and Kashmir’s Pahalgam that killed 26 people.

Chidambaram also pointed out what he called the lack of a clear official information. "We get snatches and bits of information from different officers. The Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) goes to Singapore and makes a statement that give you bits of information. The deputy army chief makes a statement in Mumbai. In Indonesia, a junior officer of the Navy makes a statement. But why is the PM or the defence minister, or the foreign minister not making a comprehensive statement?" he said.


Asked what he believed the government was trying to hide, Chidambaram responded, "I think, and this is speculation, I think they are hiding the fact that we made tactical mistakes (during Operation Sindoor), and we re-strategised... The CDS hinted at that. What tactical mistakes were made? What was the re-strategising? Either the BJP government is incompetent to answer these questions, or it is unwilling to do so."

He also questioned the role of the National Investigation Agency (NIA) in the investigation. "They are unwilling to disclose what the NIA has done all these weeks. Have they identified the terrorists, where they came from? For all we know, they could be homegrown terrorists. Why do you assume that they came from Pakistan? There's no evidence of that," he said.

Chidambaram further added, "They are also hiding the losses. I said it in a column that in a war, losses will occur on both sides. I understand that India would have suffered losses. Be upfront."

His comments come ahead of a scheduled debate in Parliament from Monday, where the ruling BJP and the Opposition are set to discuss the Pahalgam attack and Operation Sindoor.

Meanwhile, the BJP hit back at Chidambaram’s remarks, accusing the Congress of defending Pakistan. BJP leader Amit Malviya said, “Once again, the Congress rushes to give a clean chit to Pakistan — this time after the Pahalgam terror attack."

He added, "Why is it that every time our forces confront Pakistan-sponsored terrorism, Congress leaders sound more like Islamabad’s defence lawyers than India’s opposition?”

 
Pakistani sponsered terrorist who were Behind the Pehalgam attacks is killed today. @The Bald Eagle

No escape for Pakistan. Terrorist Hashim Musa @ Suleiman is Pakistan national Terrorist .

:kp
 
Pakistani sponsered terrorist who were Behind the Pehalgam attacks is killed today. @The Bald Eagle

No escape for Pakistan. Terrorist Hashim Musa @ Suleiman is Pakistan national Terrorist .

:kp
I said it months ago that you guys will escape goat poor Kashmiris to pin blame on Pakistan....What is your evidence? Is Chidhambaram a Pak agent too now?
 

All the slained terrorists are Pakistani nationals and last one was identified as the master mind of pahalgam. He was ex pak military. All these guys are innocent and non pak actors just like Kasab, kargil martyrs as per pak.

Congress must understand these type of vote bank politics /woke mentality will drive all the voters away from them.
 
Current home minister seems to be doing the same.
Atleast nothing happened outside kashmir in last decade.This is most peaceful period outside kashmir . At chidambaram time, it was a blast every month killing hundreds of people in Hyderabad, Mumbai, Jaipur,Bangalore etc.
 
I said it months ago that you guys will escape goat poor Kashmiris to pin blame on Pakistan....What is your evidence? Is Chidhambaram a Pak agent too now?
What blame ? We are not blaming but openly saying Pakistan is responsible for Pehalgam terrorist attack's and Pakistan terrorist were including. Take that body of Pakistan Terrorist from Jammu and Kashmir .

:kp
 
@Bhaijaan @Devadwal @straighttalk no escape now from the voice of reason and conscience
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"Why do you assume that they came from Pakistan?': Chidambaram's remark on Pahalgam attackers stirs row; BJP hits back

In an interview with news outlet The Quint, Chidambaram said the government has not provided enough information and accused it of being unwilling to share key details.

"Where are the terrorist attackers? Why have you not apprehended them, or even identified them? A news item had emerged about the arrest of a few people who gave the attackers shelter. What happened to them?" he asked, referring to the April 22 attack in Jammu and Kashmir’s Pahalgam that killed 26 people.

Chidambaram also pointed out what he called the lack of a clear official information. "We get snatches and bits of information from different officers. The Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) goes to Singapore and makes a statement that give you bits of information. The deputy army chief makes a statement in Mumbai. In Indonesia, a junior officer of the Navy makes a statement. But why is the PM or the defence minister, or the foreign minister not making a comprehensive statement?" he said.


Asked what he believed the government was trying to hide, Chidambaram responded, "I think, and this is speculation, I think they are hiding the fact that we made tactical mistakes (during Operation Sindoor), and we re-strategised... The CDS hinted at that. What tactical mistakes were made? What was the re-strategising? Either the BJP government is incompetent to answer these questions, or it is unwilling to do so."

He also questioned the role of the National Investigation Agency (NIA) in the investigation. "They are unwilling to disclose what the NIA has done all these weeks. Have they identified the terrorists, where they came from? For all we know, they could be homegrown terrorists. Why do you assume that they came from Pakistan? There's no evidence of that," he said.

Chidambaram further added, "They are also hiding the losses. I said it in a column that in a war, losses will occur on both sides. I understand that India would have suffered losses. Be upfront."

His comments come ahead of a scheduled debate in Parliament from Monday, where the ruling BJP and the Opposition are set to discuss the Pahalgam attack and Operation Sindoor.

Meanwhile, the BJP hit back at Chidambaram’s remarks, accusing the Congress of defending Pakistan. BJP leader Amit Malviya said, “Once again, the Congress rushes to give a clean chit to Pakistan — this time after the Pahalgam terror attack."

He added, "Why is it that every time our forces confront Pakistan-sponsored terrorism, Congress leaders sound more like Islamabad’s defence lawyers than India’s opposition?”



I hope you’re aware that you’re quoting individuals whose political careers are practically over, and who belong to a party that many Indians now view with more apprehension than even our external adversaries.

The Congress party, once the dominant political force in India from independence until as recently as 2014, has now been reduced to a shadow of its former self — struggling to even maintain relevance as a regional player.

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Modi has led his party to three consecutive national victories and remains politically unassailable. Congress has thrown every possible accusation and tactic at him, yet they continue to come up empty. They are defeated, frustrated, and visibly lacking in direction or credibility.

In their desperation, they’ve tried to capitalize on incidents like the Pahalgam tragedy and the ceasefire controversy to target Modi, but even those attempts are falling flat. The only place these narratives seem to gain traction is across the border in Pakistan — a fact that amounts to political suicide for any Indian party hoping to return to national power.

Ironically, Congress now serves a dual purpose: they offer relief to Indians by making it easy to choose who not to vote for, and they provide entertainment and talking points for Pakistanis, who delight in their anti-government rhetoric. It’s a strange kind of win-win — just not the one Congress had in mind.
 
And it has already happened?
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Pakistani security sources said on Monday that India has once again begun “fake encounters” under the guise of countering terrorism, with an alleged plan to “use” detained Pakistanis in them, state-run Radio Pakistan reported.

The statement came after the Indian Army’s Chinar Corps said they killed three alleged “terrorists” under ‘Operation Mahadev’ in occupied Kashmir’s Srinagar. While Indian media, citing sources, has been linking one of the dead to the Pahalgam attack, no official has stated that on record.

The April 22 attack in held Kashmir’s Pahalgam killed 26 people and sparked heavy fighting between nuclear-armed India and Pakistan, as New Delhi blamed the attack on Islamabad, which strongly denied the allegations while calling for a neutral investigation.

India had launched Operation Sindoor in the wake of the Pahalgam attack, which included the deadly strikes launched on Pakistan on May 7.

“After the failure of Operation Sindoor, India has once again initiated fake encounters under the guise of Operation Mahadev,” security sources said today.

Operation Mahadev has been “launched to conceal the setbacks of Operation Sindoor”, the security sources said, adding that the “Indian regime is allegedly preparing to use innocent Pakistanis, illegally and forcibly detained, in staged encounters, falsely portraying them as cross-border terrorists”.

India has seen fake encounters as far back as 2015. The National Human Rights Commission of India — a quasi-judicial body — identified 555 instances between 2008 and 2013, but activists say the actual count is even higher.


The objective of Operation Mahadev is to suppress the “growing freedom movement” in India-occupied Kashmir and to restore the “waning political credibility” of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government, the security sources added.

They said India was attempting to present Operation Mahadev as a “successful military initiative to erase the embarrassment of Operation Sindoor”.

The security sources highlighted that “immediately following the Pahalgam false flag operation, the Indian Army reportedly began a series of staged encounters”.

The sources further said that on April 24, two citizens of Azad Jammu and Kashmir, Muhammad Farooq and Muhammad Deen, were “martyred in a brutal encounter by Indian forces after mistakenly crossing the border”.

Indian forces in occupied Kashmir arrested more than 2,000 Kashmiris and demolished several homes of pro-freedom Kashmiris in a sweeping crackdown following the Pahalgam incident.

The Radio Pakistan report, recalling the press briefings held on April 29 and April 30 by military spokesperson Lt Gen Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry, read that he “revealed details of 723 Pakistani nationals illegally detained in various Indian jails”.

“Additionally, 56 Pakistanis are said to be held in secret custody by Indian intelligence agencies.”

The security sources noted: “As is customary, following these alleged fake encounters, videos and photographs of the deceased, alongside planted weapons, are circulated in Indian media to support the official narrative.

“Reliable reports suggest that these detainees may be coerced into making anti-Pakistan statements and confessions before the media,” they added.

“Operation Mahadev appears to be a continuation of the Indian Army’s long-standing practice of fake encounters in IIOJK (Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir), where it has gained notoriety as a ‘fake encounter specialist’,” the sources said.

“India, having faced humiliation in the Pahalgam false flag operation and the failure of Operation Sindoor, now seems completely disoriented,” the security sources added.

Indian army says three suspected fighters killed in held-Kashmir
Earlier today, the Indian Army said its security forces killed three suspected fighters in India-occupied Kashmir during a clash in a wildlife reserve.

The Press Trust of India reported that the incident occurred in the Mulnar area of Harwan near the Dachigam National Park, around 30 kilometres from the disputed region’s main city of Srinagar.

“Three terrorists have been neutralised in an intense firefight,” the Indian army claimed in a statement on X. “Operation continues,” it added.

Source: Dawn News
 

Just a reminder -Pahalgam Mastermind terrorist Suleiman Shah Was Ex Commando Of Pak Army's Elite Unit​


Pakistanis surrender army only can produce terrorist to attack the innocent people's.



:kp
 
You can’t trust a government that still can’t coherently explain what happened during those four humiliating days, a debacle so public their diplomats were practically hiding behind dumpsters. The entire state machinery was disgraced on the global stage. And all of it, just to preserve a fantasy, to prop up one man as some kind of divine savior. The current regime is trapped in the very narrative it manufactured, forced to keep the illusion alive under mounting domestic pressure. Anyone who dares point this out is immediately branded either a “pathetic Indian,” a “desh drohi,” or worse, accused of trying to be Pakistani, because that’s the extent of Hindutva’s intellectual depth.
 
Op mahadev
Pahalgam Terror Attack perpetrator Hashim Musa alias Suleman and 2 other tangos killed.

A brief satellite phone call made two days ago may have finally led security forces to the Lashkar-e-Taiba module behind the April 22 Pahalgam terror attack.

:kp
 
Modi the Khooni extremist Hindu just needed an excuse to start a war and be in the news.

Unfortunately for him India came out of the war badly bruised and with their reputation in shreds. Cambodia and Thailand completely skipped them and went to the head of the table Pakistan to settle the dispute as the Elder of Asia.
 
@KingKhanWC you asked me multiple times when will india capture or killed Pahalgam terrorists attack perpetrators. Now take the dead body pf pakistan terrorist aka Suleman who one was a SSG commando in pakistan army.

:kp
 
Lol so they are finally discussing it in Parliament after ages, even then RaGa roaring
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"Why did you stop?" Rahul Gandhi intervenes as Rajnath Singh details operation sindoor session in Parliament

During a special Lok Sabha debate on India's response to Pakistan after the Pahalgam terror attack, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh narrated the details of Operation Sindoor and mentioned that India agreed to a cessation of hostilities after Pakistan sought a ceasefire following Indian strikes on Pakistani targets. While Rajnath Singh was explaining how Pakistan's Director General of Military Operations (DGMO) called India's DGMO to request a stop to the operation, Congress leader Rahul Gandhi abruptly interjected by asking, "Why did you stop?"—questioning the rationale behind India halting its military action despite having the upper hand. Rajnath Singh responded by urging Rahul to listen to the entire speech and maintained that he had already addressed the issue in detail.

The core tension lay in the manner and timing of the ceasefire and India's acceptance of it, with Congress leaders including Rahul Gandhi and Gaurav Gogoi demanding to know why India agreed to halt Operation Sindoor when Pakistan appeared defeated. They also referenced claims by US President Donald Trump, who allegedly pressured both India and Pakistan to announce a ceasefire. The Congress argued that India should have "finished the job" militarily instead of agreeing to a ceasefire, viewing the cessation as premature and questioning India's concession in this negotiation.

Rajnath Singh framed India's strikes as targeted at terror hubs with no intention to escalate conflict, and described India's DGMO's calls to Pakistan to convey this intent, which were reportedly misunderstood by Pakistan. The ceasefire call from Pakistan came after Pakistan had retaliated; India's acceptance of the ceasefire was presented as a strategic and responsible decision under the circumstances.

The incident reflects a sharp parliamentary confrontation over Operation Sindoor, with the Opposition pressing the government for full transparency and justification of the ceasefire, while the government defended its measured approach. This exchange highlights ongoing political debate about the conduct and limits of India's military response to terrorism and cross-border provocations.

In summary, Rahul Gandhi's question, "Why did you stop?", arose from dissatisfaction with India's decision to accept a ceasefire shortly after successful strikes in Operation Sindoor, with the Opposition demanding clarity on why the operation was halted before completely defeating Pakistan's aggression.

Source: Hindustan Times
 
Folks keep on saying attackers came from Pakistan. Question is where is the proof? You can't accuse others without proof.

If those attackers were indeed from Pakistan, I have to say Indian security/intelligence is very weak. How can the attackers evade so many checkpoints? Were Indian troops sleeping?

What is far more likely is those attackers were Indian citizens or it was a false flag from Modi. I personally think it could've been a false flag.

:inti
 
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And for those innocent souls who were martyred for media consumption...what was their crime? Can any Indian elaborate with proof and evidences.

Freedom fighters must be distinguished from so called terrorists
Sanghis keep on saying attackers came from Pakistan. Question is where is the proof? You can't accuse others without proof.

If those attackers were indeed from Pakistan, I have to say Indian security/intelligence is very weak. How can the attackers evade so many checkpoints? Were Indian troops sleeping?

What is far more likely is those attackers were Indian citizens or it was a false flag from Modi. I personally think it could've been a false flag.

:inti
 
Folks keep on saying attackers came from Pakistan. Question is where is the proof? You can't accuse others without proof.

If those attackers were indeed from Pakistan, I have to say Indian security/intelligence is very weak. How can the attackers evade so many checkpoints? Were Indian troops sleeping?

What is far more likely is those attackers were Indian citizens or it was a false flag from Modi. I personally think it could've been a false flag.

:inti
Pahalgam Mastermind terrorist Suleiman Shah Was Ex Commando Of Pak Army's Elite Unit

This terrorist is killed by Indian security forces today .

:kp
 
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So let get this straight, Pakistan supposedly sent its elite SSG commandos into India just so they could get caught? :ROFLMAO: Makes perfect sense, if you’re writing a script for a slapstick spy comedy.

And India? Their jets were “decoys”? Sure. Because multi million dollar aircraft are just props in some elaborate Bollywood distraction plot.

This level of clownery only works on a cult audience, and the handlers who know exactly how to yank their proverbial balls when needed.
 
Atleast nothing happened outside kashmir in last decade.This is most peaceful period outside kashmir . At chidambaram time, it was a blast every month killing hundreds of people in Hyderabad, Mumbai, Jaipur,Bangalore etc.
A blast almost every month? He was Home Minister for over 3 years. That's more than 36 months. Can you count how many blasts happened during his tenure? I am guessing well over 36. :inti
 
Something doesn't look right. :inti

Today in Politics: Parliament set for heated debate on Pahalgam attack, Operation Sindoor​

The first week of disruption in Parliament’s Monsoon session is set to give way to a fiery debate on the Pahalgam attack and Operation Sindoor from Monday as the ruling NDA and the Opposition prepare to lock horns over the two issues steeped in national security and foreign policy imperatives.​



The BJP-led NDA and Opposition parties are expected to field their top guns during the discussion in the Lok Sabha and the Rajya Sabha.

Sources said Home Minister Amit Shah, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh, and External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar will be speaking on the issues amid indications that Prime Minister Narendra Modi may make an intervention to convey his government’s “robust” stand against terrorism.


Leaders of Opposition in Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha, Rahul Gandhi and Mallikarjun Kharge, may lead the charge against the government along with Samajwadi Party’s Akhilesh Yadav, besides a host of other members.


The two sides have consented to a marathon 16-hour debate in each House, which invariably stretches longer in practice.

 
Pahalgam Mastermind terrorist Suleiman Shah Was Ex Commando Of Pak Army's Elite Unit

This terrorist is killed by Indian security forces today .

:kp

How long did it take to finish this script? Before, I had doubts but now I think it's all part of a script. :kp :inti
 
So let get this straight, Pakistan supposedly sent its elite SSG commandos into India just so they could get caught? :ROFLMAO: Makes perfect sense, if you’re writing a script for a slapstick spy comedy.

Common sense is not exactly common in the Pakistani establishment. You give them too much credit.
 
Common sense is not exactly common in the Pakistani establishment. You give them too much credit.
So this SS Commando was caught on a GoPro camera attached to an unsuspecting tourist on a zip line; caught on camera running through a field just randomly shooting down innocent tourists...

Think about it for a while... how brainwashed are you people?
 
So let get this straight, Pakistan supposedly sent its elite SSG commandos into India just so they could get caught? :ROFLMAO: Makes perfect sense, if you’re writing a script for a slapstick spy comedy.

And India? Their jets were “decoys”? Sure. Because multi million dollar aircraft are just props in some elaborate Bollywood distraction plot.

This level of clownery only works on a cult audience, and the handlers who know exactly how to yank their proverbial balls when needed.
not only that but they were hanging out in the area all this time waiting to get caught? how long has it been now? months?
 
So this SS Commando was caught on a GoPro camera attached to an unsuspecting tourist on a zip line; caught on camera running through a field just randomly shooting down innocent tourists...

Think about it for a while... how brainwashed are you people?

Calling someone brainwashed is not an argument.
 
Looks like the stage is being set for yet another propaganda film, designed to rake in millions from a country where the majority of people still survive on less than $3 a day.
 
But that would mean extremist right wing brainwashed people polluting the site without being shown the mirror

But you haven't shown the mirror to anyone. All you did was call someone brainwashed without offering any argument. Useless and pointless.
 
But you haven't shown the mirror to anyone. All you did was call someone brainwashed without offering any argument. Useless and pointless.

Post 28 Para 1

You believe the SS commando was hiding and then went running around shooting random tourists that weren't circumcised..

And prior to this you said common sense is not prevalent in the Pakistani Establishment
 
Post 28 Para 1

You believe the SS commando was hiding and then went running around shooting random tourists that weren't circumcised..

And prior to this you said common sense is not prevalent in the Pakistani Establishment

I don't blindly believe in anything the media says, especially in the Modi era. But I wouldn't rule it out either like all of you do. You all are so dead sure it's false lol.

The reports says ex-SS commando, not current. Tawwahur Rana was an ex-Pak military doctor and he now in prison for 26/11 attacks. So anything is possible.
 
Pakistani security agencies provide direct and indirect support to extremist groups in the valley. This is well established.

Whether the pahalgam attackers themselves were Pakistanis is not clear and whether the operation was directed from within Pakistan or from within kashmir needs investigation but I wouldn't be surprised either way. Anyone who says they are 100% sure of the facts is lying.

For their part I'm sure Indian intelligence agencies also support extremist groups operating in Pakistan. Geopolitics is dirty business and ultimately it's the country's government which is responsible for its security.

If there is a security failure, the government needs to take responsibility and ensure it doesn't happen again
 
Are we not talking about the NDTV article posted above ?
Bro it’s NDTV. Why can’t you folks understand that trash doesn’t work here or for that matter entire world.

Honestly, removing any biases and seeing things objectively out of 193 UN recognized states only 1 (Israel) has agreed to whatever your government said. There were messages of support from countries for India (basic diplomacy) but really nothing else. How much humiliation would you guys endure? Keep churning these masala stories about killing terrorist X for your next Bollywood movie that your population can consume, but it is dishonesty for your own population.

Not a single country except Israel took your facts. That is how the world sees India. Bunch of scammers, rape central, dishonest media.

Didn’t your media say that terrorists came from Pakistan, killed bunch of people and then went back to Pakistan. But now you are saying they kinda sticked around. If someone does this act, the most basic step is what is the exit strategy. If there is no exit strategy then it has to be a suicide attack. No one is stupid enough to stick around in the same place. There is no point discussing basic stuff with you. You guys are beyond low iq.
 
Bro it’s NDTV. Why can’t you folks understand that trash doesn’t work here or for that matter entire world.

Honestly, removing any biases and seeing things objectively out of 193 UN recognized states only 1 (Israel) has agreed to whatever your government said. There were messages of support from countries for India (basic diplomacy) but really nothing else. How much humiliation would you guys endure? Keep churning these masala stories about killing terrorist X for your next Bollywood movie that your population can consume, but it is dishonesty for your own population.

Not a single country except Israel took your facts. That is how the world sees India. Bunch of scammers, rape central, dishonest media.

Didn’t your media say that terrorists came from Pakistan, killed bunch of people and then went back to Pakistan. But now you are saying they kinda sticked around. If someone does this act, the most basic step is what is the exit strategy. If there is no exit strategy then it has to be a suicide attack. No one is stupid enough to stick around in the same place. There is no point discussing basic stuff with you. You guys are beyond low iq.

Welcome to the forum, 'newbie'
 
Rajnath Singh in Parliament today said what I have been saying for many weeks here - In a war, soldiers will die and planes will go down. However, if the ultimate motive is achieved, the operation is considered successful.

His exact statement was - In any exam, results matter, not whether the pencil broke or the pen was lost. Ultimately, results matter.

The only difference is he is using exam analogy and I was using cricket. In an ODI game when you chase 300 runs, you may lose some wickets. However, if you reach the target, you win the match.

Another example of when Rajdeep speaks, you listen. What Rajdeep says today, world talks about it tomorrow.

Can I be your next defence minister? Will you vote for me? @Bhaag Viru Bhaag


:kp


Rajnath Singh: Operation Sindoor achieved objective, was then 'paused' | India News - Times of India https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ive-was-then-paused/articleshow/122960966.cms
 
Rajnath Singh in Parliament today said what I have been saying for many weeks here - In a war, soldiers will die and planes will go down. However, if the ultimate motive is achieved, the operation is considered successful.

His exact statement was - In any exam, results matter, not whether the pencil broke or the pen was lost. Ultimately, results matter.

The only difference is he is using exam analogy and I was using cricket. In an ODI game when you chase 300 runs, you may lose some wickets. However, if you reach the target, you win the match.

Another example of when Rajdeep speaks, you listen. What Rajdeep says today, world talks about it tomorrow.

Can I be your next defence minister? Will you vote for me? @Bhaag Viru Bhaag


:kp


Rajnath Singh: Operation Sindoor achieved objective, was then 'paused' | India News - Times of India https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ive-was-then-paused/articleshow/122960966.cms
So in this instance India cheated to try and pass an exam or try to win a game of cricket.

This is the issue at hand, the real problem is that India cheated... Why? Because using this analogy of exams or a game of cricket is all fine and dandy when it's legitimate exam or a proper game of cricket; but in this instance India invaded another sovereign nation without any proof... This is cheating no matter what the outcome.

So address the cheating part first prior to discussing anything else.
 
So in this instance India cheated to try and pass an exam or try to win a game of cricket.

This is the issue at hand, the real problem is that India cheated... Why? Because using this analogy of exams or a game of cricket is all fine and dandy when it's legitimate exam or a proper game of cricket; but in this instance India invaded another sovereign nation without any proof... This is cheating no matter what the outcome.

So address the cheating part first prior to discussing anything else.

Yes yes...every thing is cheating and false flag operation. Pakistan is as innocent as it gets.

🤡
 
Rajnath Singh in Parliament today said what I have been saying for many weeks here - In a war, soldiers will die and planes will go down. However, if the ultimate motive is achieved, the operation is considered successful.

His exact statement was - In any exam, results matter, not whether the pencil broke or the pen was lost. Ultimately, results matter.

The only difference is he is using exam analogy and I was using cricket. In an ODI game when you chase 300 runs, you may lose some wickets. However, if you reach the target, you win the match.


Another example of when Rajdeep speaks, you listen. What Rajdeep says today, world talks about it tomorrow.

Can I be your next defence minister? Will you vote for me? @Bhaag Viru Bhaag


:kp


Rajnath Singh: Operation Sindoor achieved objective, was then 'paused' | India News - Times of India https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ive-was-then-paused/articleshow/122960966.cms
Obviously, two fekus will think alike. :yk :inti
 
Yes yes...every thing is cheating and false flag operation. Pakistan is as innocent as it gets.

🤡
I'm not saying Pakistan is innocent. Just that before discussing exams/cricket and using this as an excuse for losing points/wickets but winning, let's see the evidence. I don't think you understand what sort of precedent this sets when a country attacks another sovereign nation before presenting actual evidence..
 
I'm not saying Pakistan is innocent. Just that before discussing exams/cricket and using this as an excuse for losing points/wickets but winning, let's see the evidence. I don't think you understand what sort of precedent this sets when a country attacks another sovereign nation before presenting actual evidence..

This has been discussed and debated to death. Proofs are only given to responsible govt and countries with the expectation that they will take action. Not to a country like Pakistan whose army staffs and officials attend martydom of banned terrorists.

What did you do with all the proofs and dossiers Indian govt gave after 26/11 mumbai attacks?

What did you do to Masood Azhar whose brother hijacked an entire aeroplane to release him?

What did you do with all the proofs given about Dawood Ibrahim?

Even Modi govt invited Pakistan for joint investigation after Uri Attacks of 2016. What happen?

No one is bewkoof enough to keep giving Pakistan proofs after proofs only to see it been made a mockery.

No more proofs...seedha ghar me ghuske buma boom is the stance of this govt.
 
This has been discussed and debated to death. Proofs are only given to responsible govt and countries with the expectation that they will take action. Not to a country like Pakistan whose army staffs and officials attend martydom of banned terrorists.

What did you do with all the proofs and dossiers Indian govt gave after 26/11 mumbai attacks?

What did you do to Masood Azhar whose brother hijacked an entire aeroplane to release him?

What did you do with all the proofs given about Dawood Ibrahim?

Even Modi govt invited Pakistan for joint investigation after Uri Attacks of 2016. What happen?

No one is bewkoof enough to keep giving Pakistan proofs after proofs only to see it been made a mockery.

No more proofs...seedha ghar me ghuske buma boom is the stance of this govt.

No
Proof is given to the UN or other countries to verify.
 
No
Proof is given to the UN or other countries to verify.

According to Trump's initial statement after Op Sindoor - "It is an internal matter between Ind & Pak and they will sort it out".

It is only after India started hitting those airbases, specially Nur Khan airbase which threaten to damage nuclear reactors on which USA has lots of stake, he interfered.

So UN and other countries wouldnt have done anything. Every country, including USA, unanimously accepted Pakistan based militants were responsible for 26/11 attacks in Mumbai. Note, I am stressing on Pakistani based militants and not Pak govt. So when dossiers and proofs were send, one would have expected Pak govt to take action as responsible government. However, neither they took any action...nor UN do anything.

So the only option India had is military strikes.

#TrueStory
 
According to Trump's initial statement after Op Sindoor - "It is an internal matter between Ind & Pak and they will sort it out".

It is only after India started hitting those airbases, specially Nur Khan airbase which threaten to damage nuclear reactors on which USA has lots of stake, he interfered.

So UN and other countries wouldnt have done anything. Every country, including USA, unanimously accepted Pakistan based militants were responsible for 26/11 attacks in Mumbai. Note, I am stressing on Pakistani based militants and not Pak govt. So when dossiers and proofs were send, one would have expected Pak govt to take action as responsible government. However, neither they took any action...nor UN do anything.

So the only option India had is military strikes.

#TrueStory

Doesn't matter which way you try and spin this, it is international law that a threat of force against another state is illegal.
The only time it can be used is for self defence and is within the confines of necessity and proportionality.
So when you say allegations of 'false flags', this is certainly not beyond the realms of reality.
 
Doesn't matter which way you try and spin this, it is international law that a threat of force against another state is illegal.
The only time it can be used is for self defence and is within the confines of necessity and proportionality.
So when you say allegations of 'false flags', this is certainly not beyond the realms of reality.

I am not spinning it but saying you as it is. I gave you examples after example of when India had given ample proofs but Pakistan didnt act. This has been happening under successive regimes in India. Looks those posts went above your head. So giving proof to Pakistan is making a mockery of an incident or victims. No more proof will be given. Pakistan is free to go to ICJ is they want.
 
I am not spinning it but saying you as it is. I gave you examples after example of when India had given ample proofs but Pakistan didnt act. This has been happening under successive regimes in India. Looks those posts went above your head. So giving proof to Pakistan is making a mockery of an incident or victims. No more proof will be given. Pakistan is free to go to ICJ is they want.
Invading another country without proof is dangerous, no matter which two countries it involves.
 
Invading another country without proof is dangerous, no matter which two countries it involves.

No one invaded your country. India just hit the known terror bases on which Pak govt has failed to take any action even after multiple cross border attacks and proofs.
 
Well, I hope Sri Trump can knock some sense into his chuddy buddy Siri Modi and help resolve the Kashmir issue. Sooner the better. All this nonsense needs to stop and people need to live in peace.
 
Well, I hope Sri Trump can knock some sense into his chuddy buddy Siri Modi and help resolve the Kashmir issue. Sooner the better. All this nonsense needs to stop and people need to live in peace.
Never happening. Siri Modi’s entire brand depends on the fantasy that he’s still fighting Aurangzeb’s ghost in a WWE match for India’s soul. His base needs to feel like they’re reclaiming something, preferably from long dead Mughals. It’s no different from Siri Trump selling his crowd on the idea that ‘they’re bringing drugs, rapists, and guns.’ The formula is the same, fear, and fantasy.


Has anyone seen the evidence, yet?
 
Never happening. Siri Modi’s entire brand depends on the fantasy that he’s still fighting Aurangzeb’s ghost in a WWE match for India’s soul. His base needs to feel like they’re reclaiming something, preferably from long dead Mughals. It’s no different from Siri Trump selling his crowd on the idea that ‘they’re bringing drugs, rapists, and guns.’ The formula is the same, fear, and fantasy.


Has anyone seen the evidence, yet?
The evidence is as closely guarded as the IAF jet fighter inventory numbers before and after their recent misadventure.
 
I'm proudly Indian unlike wannabe and fake Identity personal. :kp

Of course you’re Indian, it’s obvious in every post you make. That’s exactly what my comment was pointing out.

But tell me, did you actually take that as a compliment? Fascinating.
 
Of course you’re Indian, it’s obvious in every post you make. That’s exactly what my comment was pointing out.

But tell me, did you actually take that as a compliment? Fascinating.
I've seen how Pakistani poster's pretending to be Australian or England. :kp
 
I've seen how Pakistani poster's pretending to be Australian or England. :kp
No! they were being honest as they reside as a status holder in those countries.

Y'all only get to change the definition of the words in India, outside of India, it is define as scammer.
 
@Bhaijaan @Devadwal @straighttalk no escape now from the voice of reason and conscience
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"Why do you assume that they came from Pakistan?': Chidambaram's remark on Pahalgam attackers stirs row; BJP hits back

In an interview with news outlet The Quint, Chidambaram said the government has not provided enough information and accused it of being unwilling to share key details.

"Where are the terrorist attackers? Why have you not apprehended them, or even identified them? A news item had emerged about the arrest of a few people who gave the attackers shelter. What happened to them?" he asked, referring to the April 22 attack in Jammu and Kashmir’s Pahalgam that killed 26 people.

Chidambaram also pointed out what he called the lack of a clear official information. "We get snatches and bits of information from different officers. The Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) goes to Singapore and makes a statement that give you bits of information. The deputy army chief makes a statement in Mumbai. In Indonesia, a junior officer of the Navy makes a statement. But why is the PM or the defence minister, or the foreign minister not making a comprehensive statement?" he said.


Asked what he believed the government was trying to hide, Chidambaram responded, "I think, and this is speculation, I think they are hiding the fact that we made tactical mistakes (during Operation Sindoor), and we re-strategised... The CDS hinted at that. What tactical mistakes were made? What was the re-strategising? Either the BJP government is incompetent to answer these questions, or it is unwilling to do so."

He also questioned the role of the National Investigation Agency (NIA) in the investigation. "They are unwilling to disclose what the NIA has done all these weeks. Have they identified the terrorists, where they came from? For all we know, they could be homegrown terrorists. Why do you assume that they came from Pakistan? There's no evidence of that," he said.

Chidambaram further added, "They are also hiding the losses. I said it in a column that in a war, losses will occur on both sides. I understand that India would have suffered losses. Be upfront."

His comments come ahead of a scheduled debate in Parliament from Monday, where the ruling BJP and the Opposition are set to discuss the Pahalgam attack and Operation Sindoor.

Meanwhile, the BJP hit back at Chidambaram’s remarks, accusing the Congress of defending Pakistan. BJP leader Amit Malviya said, “Once again, the Congress rushes to give a clean chit to Pakistan — this time after the Pahalgam terror attack."

He added, "Why is it that every time our forces confront Pakistan-sponsored terrorism, Congress leaders sound more like Islamabad’s defence lawyers than India’s opposition?”

As I said when the Pehelgam incident occurred...

If Terrorists can operate hundreds of miles beyond the LoC and in Jammu region then Indian security forces should hang their head in shame!
 
Bro it’s NDTV. Why can’t you folks understand that trash doesn’t work here or for that matter entire world.

Honestly, removing any biases and seeing things objectively out of 193 UN recognized states only 1 (Israel) has agreed to whatever your government said. There were messages of support from countries for India (basic diplomacy) but really nothing else. How much humiliation would you guys endure? Keep churning these masala stories about killing terrorist X for your next Bollywood movie that your population can consume, but it is dishonesty for your own population.

Not a single country except Israel took your facts. That is how the world sees India. Bunch of scammers, rape central, dishonest media.

Didn’t your media say that terrorists came from Pakistan, killed bunch of people and then went back to Pakistan. But now you are saying they kinda sticked around. If someone does this act, the most basic step is what is the exit strategy. If there is no exit strategy then it has to be a suicide attack. No one is stupid enough to stick around in the same place. There is no point discussing basic stuff with you. You guys are beyond low iq.
By the same token not one country came and said Pakistan is innocent or that Paksitan is unfairly attacked...and as has been spelled out..there will only be bombardment for terrorist attack..there is no need to provide proof any more ..
You country has a track record of housing every terrorist of any hues
Your chief guests chant death to India publicly aka Saeed and Azhar.

Your army chief has said that they will always support Kashmiri terrorism with sponsoring homegrown and sending trained terrorists

Your uniformed officers stand behind. The leadership of a UN designated terrorists...
 
By the same token not one country came and said Pakistan is innocent or that Paksitan is unfairly attacked...and as has been spelled out..there will only be bombardment for terrorist attack..there is no need to provide proof any more ..
You country has a track record of housing every terrorist of any hues
Your chief guests chant death to India publicly aka Saeed and Azhar.

Your army chief has said that they will always support Kashmiri terrorism with sponsoring homegrown and sending trained terrorists

Your uniformed officers stand behind. The leadership of a UN designated terrorists...

Why are you talking like you’re prepping for Arnab’s debate night?
 
Indian Army has eliminated two Pakistani terrorists attempting to infiltrate across the Line of Control in Poonch sector of Jammu & Kashmir. Swift action and accurate firepower thwarted the nefarious designs. Three weapons have been recovered

Take the dead body of Pakistan terrorist @HalBass9 @KingKhanWC @The Bald Eagle

:kp
 
Indian Army has eliminated two Pakistani terrorists attempting to infiltrate across the Line of Control in Poonch sector of Jammu & Kashmir. Swift action and accurate firepower thwarted the nefarious designs. Three weapons have been recovered

Take the dead body of Pakistan terrorist @HalBass9 @KingKhanWC @The Bald Eagle

:kp
Modi media has the reliability of a weather forecast from 1996, off by miles, but delivered with absolute confidence.
 
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Indian Army has eliminated two Pakistani terrorists attempting to infiltrate across the Line of Control in Poonch sector of Jammu & Kashmir. Swift action and accurate firepower thwarted the nefarious designs. Three weapons have been recovered

Take the dead body of Pakistan terrorist @HalBass9 @KingKhanWC @The Bald Eagle

:kp
Infiltration never happens. It’s all RAW ki saazish and internal job. 🤡
 

Imagine if Indian soldiers had found Pakistani Nihari, Karahi, Chapli Kabob, and Biryani, the Indian government would've panicked and declared it a national emergency.

New term incoming, "The Pakistani Food Trap" with a warning, consuming may cause loss of narrative, identity crisis, and unexpected respect for the enemy’s spice game.

They’d probably ban cumin next, just to be safe.
 
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