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Leicestershire v Pakistan | Tour Match | Leicester | July 8-9

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SOSami said:
ZQ is awful. He would struggle to get into the Foxes' 2nd XI.*I was one advocating his inclusion in the test team but after watching this I may have to revise my judgement.

As a conservative estimate he could gave been out, from my count, 13 times by now to both spin and pace. On top of that he just nearly caused a run out. I'm just waiting for White to put him out of his and our misery.

Sad to see really.*
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yeah have seen him bat before this guy makes Aamer an Gul look like all rounders.
 
As a conservative estimate he could gave been out, from my count, 13 times by now to both spin and pace
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13 out of 40 deliveries.
The umpires must be friendly.

No exaggeration detected.
 
Pakprideuk said:
SOS did he edge both of them and how did he hit naik for a 4? whereabouts?
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Sorry dude, for some reason I can't remember Amin's first four off Naik!

The edge was a desperate drive after White had him on the ropes.
 
SOSami said:
ZQ is awful. He would struggle to get into the Foxes' 2nd XI.*I was one advocating his inclusion in the test team but after watching this I may have to revise my judgement.

As a conservative estimate he could gave been out, from my count, 13 times by now to both spin and pace. On top of that he just nearly caused a run out. I'm just waiting for White to put him out of his and our misery.

Sad to see really.*
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There go all my hopes..........:6: :6:
 
Sorry dude, for some reason I can't remember Amin's first four off Naik!

The edge was a desperate drive after White had him on the ropes.
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Alright thanks
 
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Wait how do you guys know all this, how the batsmen are hitting their fours and all? There's only Cricinfo..
 
Wazeeri said:
13 out of 40 deliveries.
The umpires must be friendly.

No exaggeration detected.
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No umpiring decisions necessary. Majority were close missed cuts and drives through to the keeper or uppish shots just short of fielders in the "ring".
 
pakcricketfan said:
When will we find a good wicket keeper who is also a decent batsman? ::J
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Never, Pakistan are not producing many decent batsmen let alone wicketkeeper batsmen.
 
Riiiight.. so now with Boundary, we have SOS at the ground too? Proof please. I'll believe Boundary because he's been associated with the team in the past etc. too, but how do we know SOS is at the ground?
 
You need proof? Why don't you ask him to do a streak............and if he does it then we'll know!
 
No umpiring decisions necessary. Majority were close missed cuts and drives through to the keeper or uppish shots just short of fielders in the "ring".
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The kid is lucky

Get him into the team straight away
 
You need proof? Why don't you ask him to do a streak............and if he does it then we'll know!
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You are discounting the possibility of a massive coincidence.
 
Wazeeri said:
You are discounting the possibility of a massive coincidence.
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Of course!............I wonder if we'd be able to live with the mental scarring that such an event might cause. Well at least it might tempt ZQ to hit out or get out..............
 
So Salman Butt hit 11 4s in his knock of 57 off 80. That leaves 13 runs scored off 69 balls that involved him running between the wickets. True to form that.

I guess one could argue he's just settling in and getting used to the conditions, but he needs to work on rotating the strike more.
 
I think one positive we can take away from this match is that, Afridi has captained the side beautifully.
 
Paradox said:
Riiiight.. so now with Boundary, we have SOS at the ground too? Proof please. I'll believe Boundary because he's been associated with the team in the past etc. too, but how do we know SOS is at the ground?
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Why would he pretend to be at the ground?
 
+AFRIDI+ said:
I think one positive we can take away from this match is that, Afridi has captained the side beautifully.
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He's not in the side :)))
 
d0gers said:
So Salman Butt hit 11 4s in his knock of 57 off 80. That leaves 13 runs scored off 69 balls that involved him running between the wickets. True to form that.

I guess one could argue he's just settling in and getting used to the conditions, but he needs to work on rotating the strike more.
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Half of our team needs to work on strike rotation!
 
Pakistanis 256/5 (78.0 ov)
Pakistanis trail by 40 runs with 5 wickets remaining in the 1st innings
 
If you think that he needs to be in the side to captain, then we have different views on cricket and Afridi.

He commannds such respect and cricketing nouse that he certainly captains the side even when he is not in the playing eleven. This was precisley the reason he was awarded the captaincy.

Great move by him to allow the lesser talented players an outing. He is in such great knick he hardly needs the practice.
 
Umar Amin has made 51 and has retired 'not out'.
 
What's this obsession with retiring out? Yes give all your batsman a go, but what's the logic of having Amin retire when there are only bowlers to follow? Does he need rest or practice? Considering he's not played in the t20s, I would reckon practice!
 
Usman said:
What's this obsession with retiring out? Yes give all your batsman a go, but what's the logic of having Amin retire when there are only bowlers to follow? Does he need rest or practice? Considering he's not played in the t20s, I would reckon practice!
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I am honestly appalled that you actually are assuming such miracles from our team management.

The term "logic" is a tough one to associate with our team.
 
First a batsman update: they are both growing in confidence and Amin has played some lovely shots off the spinners. Sweep for 4, then lofted straight for 4. Haider is raised his game noticably too...maybe he is just a slow starter. Announcer just called him "Umar Alim" i think he may be dyslexic.

Haider just got bowled. On this pitch against these bowlers that is just a little embarrassing.

After their dismissals it descended into what YK called "fun" cricket

Secondly: it would take a warped imagination to make this stuff up and a lot of wasted time.
 
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Good to see Amin get runs and hopefully he will play at lords.
 
Tanvir can bat, apparently? FC average of 20, high score of 90.

Never mind.. even Rana and Tanvir have centuries :D
 
This gets me even more worried for the Tests against Australia. It's not our full-strength XI.. but still. :yk
 
Pakistan are still unbeaten on this tour! The only team that can give the Pakistanis a hard time are the Punjab Panthers, who are also unbeaten!!!
 
Paradox said:
Tanvir can bat, apparently? FC average of 20, high score of 90.

Never mind.. even Rana and Tanvir have centuries :D
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As far as I know, Tanveer Ahmed can bat. He's fast growing as a "bowling all rounder"..bit like Anwar Ali.
 
Good to see Amin, Hameed, and Ali get some runs.
This should be the playing XI for the tests:

1.Salman Butt
2.Yasir Hameed
3.Umer Amin
4.Shoaib Malik
5.Umer Akmal
6.Shahid Afridi (C)
7.Kamran Akmal
8.Mohammed Aamer
9.Umer Gul
10.Mohammed Asif
11.Danish Kaneria/Saeed Ajmal
 
I sincerely hope Umar Amin gets chosen in the final 11 for both the tests.

The little that I saw of him during the Asia Cup was very very impressive. Looked a very organised batsman and someone who needed some time to settle down before opening up and playing his shots, more in the classical mould. I hope he gets picked and then does well too.
 
lol, Azhar Ali played extremely fast out there. Totally deserves to be in the side ;-)
 
Paradox said:
lol, Azhar Ali played extremely fast out there. Totally deserves to be in the side ;-)
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Maybe he played a little slow but he didn't throw his wicket away. In Tests a batsman like Azhar who can stay at the wicket all day is preferred to a happy slapper like Imran Nazir. Seeing as Pakistan failed to even draw a match against the Aussie down under then batsmen who value their wickets are precisely what Pakistan needs.

That being said there is only really one slot available and I think it will go to Umar Amin. I also don't see the selectors dumping Farhat due to his relative success in building an opening partnership with Butt. Even though Farhat failed massively today the partnership got 41 on the board before the fall of the first wicket. It wasn't too long ago when Pakistan fans would be delighted if the openers could put such a score on before getting out. Farhat deservers his chance in the Tests against the Aussies.

Hameed has been impressive and I think he'll get his chance and bat at no. 3. Since we'll probably play with 4 specialist bowlers, Afridi and Kamran, that leaves one batting slot available. It will go to either Malik or Umar Amin. I think team management will give Amin a chance as they have repeatly told fans not to expect much from this young team. Besides, Malik is a bunny in front of good fast bowling - which is something Australia has in abundance. If this was a game in the sub-continent vs India or Sri Lanka - then Malik would be a good choice because he has the ability to send the best spinners to their psychiatrists for extra sessions. But as this game is in England and he'll be up against Bollinger, Hilfenhaus, Johnson et al - it isn't going to be Malik's cup of tea.

Probable XI:

1. Salman Butt
2. Imran Farhat
3. Yasir Hameed
4. Malik/ Umar Amin
5. Umar Akmal
6. Kamran Akmal
7. Shahid Afridi
8. Mohammad Aamer
9. Umar Gul/ Tanvir Ahmed
10. Danish Kaneria
11. Mohammad Asif
 
a decent outing for the batsmen....most of them got a good score....hopefully they can continue the same form in the test matches.
 
Boi said:
SOSami, what were you're first impressions of Azhar Ali's technique? Better than the likes of Latif, Manzoor etc?
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I liked what I saw of Ali, even if it was in limiting circumstances.

He looks like one of those players who knows his scoring areas and is confident enough to wait for those balls that will allow him to play there, rarerly looking flustered or impatient despite the low scoring rate.

He plays very very straight - in the "V". In his innings today he basically played one cut shot.

Obviously it is hard to judge his potential in an international test based on today's outing, and its a big statement, but I would pick him as an opener ahead of Imran Fart-noheart.
 
I reckon Malik shouldn't be picked coz he aint too good against pace bowlers, and i would give a run to Umar Amin and Ali.
 
pakcricketfan said:
When will we find a good wicket keeper who is also a decent batsman? ::J
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Gulraiz Sadaf the wicket keeper batsman who plays for multan tigers , He looked really impressive with the bat and gloves in the RBS tournament, In my Opnion he can be the solution to our wicket keeping problem
 
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SOSami said:
I liked what I saw of Ali, even if it was in limiting circumstances.

He looks like one of those players who knows his scoring areas and is confident enough to wait for those balls that will allow him to play there, rarerly looking flustered or impatient despite the low scoring rate.

He plays very very straight - in the "V". In his innings today he basically played one cut shot.

Obviously it is hard to judge his potential in an international test based on today's outing, and its a big statement, but I would pick him as an opener ahead of Imran Fart-noheart.
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Thanks for your great, detailed reply. :)

It's quite pathetic that some people are slagging him off for playing slowly today. Atleast he tried to get himself accustomed to the conditions. And tried to bat as long as he could. A good show of his temperament.

I hope he can build on this. If he does get a chance in the Test, I really hope he scores big, Insha'Allah. :)
 
To those who are dreaming about amin and azhar don't get your hopes high as the likes of hameed,Farhat and malik will play ahead of these two.
 
Boi said:
Thanks for your great, detailed reply. :)

It's quite pathetic that some people are slagging him off for playing slowly today. Atleast he tried to get himself accustomed to the conditions. And tried to bat as long as he could. A good show of his temperament.

I hope he can build on this. If he does get a chance in the Test, I really hope he scores big, Insha'Allah. :)
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Occupiying the crease will key to the series. Scoring runs quickly is really not required in test cricket. If Azhar Ali can do that I say we should play him.
 
ZH is lucky to be there, I just witnessed his inns at leicester he is not good enough with bat to survive. I was impressed with Azhar Ali he did take his time but looked solid real test player also Butt and Hameed played really well. Umar Amin was good too. Farhat I am afriad was sam old.
 
Based on Cricinfo bulletin Azhar struggled against seamers a bit. So if he struggled against seamers of a county's second XI I can only imagine how he would fair against the likes of Johnson & co. And please don't even try to justify Farhat's inclusion. Yes he scored some runs down under but even the innings in which he scored he gave plenty of chances. I think they should open with Butt and Hameed (left/right combo) and have Amin come one-down.
 
hashmist said:
Based on Cricinfo bulletin Azhar struggled against seamers a bit. So if he struggled against seamers of a county's second XI I can only imagine how he would fair against the likes of Johnson & co. And please don't even try to justify Farhat's inclusion. Yes he scored some runs down under but even the innings in which he scored he gave plenty of chances. I think they should open with Butt and Hameed (left/right combo) and have Amin come one-down.
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Even if he did struggle against the seamers atleast he tried to fight it out and just didn't give his wicket away. However, I do agree that it is worrying that he struggled against the seamers and that too against county seamers! I hope he sorts it out, otherwise if he's selected againt the Aussies, he might not have a great time.
 
hashmist said:
Based on Cricinfo bulletin Azhar struggled against seamers a bit. So if he struggled against seamers of a county's second XI I can only imagine how he would fair against the likes of Johnson & co. And please don't even try to justify Farhat's inclusion. Yes he scored some runs down under but even the innings in which he scored he gave plenty of chances. I think they should open with Butt and Hameed (left/right combo) and have Amin come one-down.
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I was there and I saw it live, initially he was bit tentative however once he got in he didn't look like getting out. He is very correct batsman nice straight.
 
Boi said:
Even if he did struggle against the seamers atleast he tried to fight it out and just didn't give his wicket away. However, I do agree that it is worrying that he struggled against the seamers and that too against county seamers! I hope he sorts it out, otherwise if he's selected againt the Aussies, he might not have a great time.
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I agree with you, even if he struggled against the seamers today he fought it out and didn't throw in the towel. That shows maturity, unlike Nazir, Farhat, Jamshed, Manzoor, even Butt. When they get bogged down by a seamer their only fightback is to hit out and in the process lose their wicket. This kid, at least today, showed good temperament and persevered. Btw, Cricinfo also mentioned in the bulletin write-up that Azhar is supposedly both Waqar's and Afridi's favorite, so don't be surprised if makes the XI afterall.
 
Rudi hater said:
I was there and I saw it live, initially he was bit tentative however once he got in he didn't look like getting out. He is very correct batsman nice straight.
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This is great! Update from someone who actually watched him play. IT seems like the common thing that keeps coming up in description of Azhar's batting is his technical correctness and straight bat play. This is great to hear. Finally a Pakistani opener who is technically sound, bc you can certainly not accuse Butt and Farhat for being that. Now I do hope that he gets selected.
 
hashmist said:
This is great! Update from someone who actually watched him play. IT seems like the common thing that keeps coming up in description of Azhar's batting is his technical correctness and straight bat play. This is great to hear. Finally a Pakistani opener who is technically sound, bc you can certainly not accuse Butt and Farhat for being that. Now I do hope that he gets selected.
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Butt was easily the best batsman on show only took 59 balls to score his runs. Hameed was looking great too.
 
Rudi hater said:
Butt was easily the best batsman on show only took 59 balls to score his runs. Hameed was looking great too.
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But does strike rate really matter for tests? I don't even know why they include that for test stats. All the hype of strike rate is partly to blame for some of our players rash play in tests. After ODI and now T20's popularity all anyone want to talk about is how fast or slow someone plays. Tests are a different beast and have no place for strike rate IMO (except for some rare occasions when quick runs are needed before a declaration). Unless of course the batsman is hitting and missing, which is hard to tell just by looking at one's score. I used to love watching some of our yester openers like Mudassar who would just grind it out. I understand that game has changed a lot but tests are still a contest of patience between batsman and bowler. No need to hurry, that is the beauty of tests.
 
Rudi hater said:
I have few pics not sure if PP want them.
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Of course, lets see them. Can't imagine why anyone would mind. I was looking for pics at cricinfo but couldn't find anything for this match. They only had pics for Australia practice match.
 
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