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Let's be honest. We just are not good enough

pakistani pride said:
We had this 1 guy scoring a 100 vs India in the final (Emerging teams). Pak won the final, he gets called up to the national team and Babar plays all the games vs Afghanistan with his friends, even the dead rubber. How on earth are we ever going to groom new players?
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Idk? Maybe try playing the players you call up? 😂
 
Technics 1210 said:
Please do not forget the inclusion of corrupted players.
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The current selfish players are morally corrupt.

-playing/representing their country whilst injured
-only caring about personal milestones
-play at all costs to ensure they get their match fees
-friends, acquaintances playing over deserving players
-threatening to desert Pakistan if the captain doesn’t get his group of players or if the captain is removed

That’s the corruption you advocate for
 
Rana said:
The current selfish players are morally corrupt.

-playing/representing their country whilst injured
-only caring about personal milestones
-play at all costs to ensure they get their match fees
-friends, acquaintances playing over deserving players
-threatening to desert Pakistan if the captain doesn’t get his group of players or if the captain is removed

That’s the corruption you advocate for
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Do not spin it.

You want the likes of Amir and Akmal back in the team.
 
Syed1 said:
Every sector we are losing in.


Army destroying the country and economy. Little bit of hope was from the cricket team and my God they have disappointed.


Really tough time for Pakistani people.
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Invest in Javelin, you have a world medal prospect there. I am not taunting..
 
Sometimes U need to identify where u stand and accept
Lowering expectations means lowering disappointments
that goes in life and everything
Pak cricket team is decent team
but it will lose 7 out of 10 games against top teams

We can sure support them at best. hope we qualify and if we don’t just accept and move on.
 
Rana said:
I’m spinning what

The truth hurts doesn’t it?
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What you listed is not corruption, but selfishness.

Spin all you want, it does not hide the fact you support the inclusion of corrupted players.
 
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Technics 1210 said:
What you listed is not corruption. Look up the word then learn how to use it.

Spin all you want, it does not hide the fact you support the inclusion of corrupted players, then you have the gall to claim you are a "I want the best for Pakistan" fan.

Jog on.
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How is a player that has done his time ‘corrupt’???

He was corrupt and was punished for it. Life goes on. And for fans like you.
 
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Rana said:
How is a player that has done his time ‘corrupt’???

He was corrupt and was punished for it. Life goes on. And for fans like you, rubbish goes on as well
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So now it has been proven you do not know the difference between selfishness and corruption.
 
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160KPH said:
Buddy, you have 55,000 post celebrating when your own team loses 😂
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Exactly.. I’ve had many posts deleted pointing this out because you can’t call anyone out on here apparently. There are some genuine weirdos on here that get off on the misery of other Pakistanis and celebrate any and all downfall because they want the cricketing and beyond that even political system to be their way.
 
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hitthestump said:
Yes if we stop focusing on Pakistan for a minute the fact is that the opposition is a million times better.

A combined Indo-Pak 15 man squad would consist of 14 Indian players and Mohammad Rizwan.
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I disagree about Rizwan. India have KL and Ishan so Rizwan wouldn't be chosen above the. The only player that would amke teh sqaud would be Naseem.
 
Technics 1210 said:
So now it has been proven you do not know the difference between selfishness and corruption, you have moved on to redemption.

The problem with Pakistan cricket is fans like you.
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I am the problem? I make guys like Rizwan and Babar bat at 4.7 runs per over in the middle overs?
 
hass said:
Exactly.. I’ve had many posts deleted pointing this out because you can’t call anyone out on here apparently. There are some genuine weirdos on here that get off on the misery of other Pakistanis and celebrate any and all downfall because they want the cricketing and beyond that even political system to be their way.

There is a difference between pointing out the issues and criticising which we all do and actively wanting and celebrating Pakistan’s fortunes to end in tears.
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Spot on.

The biggest problem with Pakistan cricket are the so called fans who describe themselves as wanting the best for Pakistan but do not realise their attitude, behaviour, and agendas are actually the worst for Pakistan. Rizwan for example gets a lot of hate, when he doesn't score, he is ridiculed, when he scores and wins matches, he is ridiculed by the same so called fan base!

Never I have seen fans, the media, or ex-cricketers, from any other nation ridicule players they way our so called - know it all - posse do. They cheer when Pakistan lose, they undermine and ridicule when Pakistan win. There is no hope for their hate.

Anyone who thinks public humiliation does not have an effect on Pakistan players does not understand the basic principle of psychology and the effect it has on performance.

The problem with Pakistan team right now is mindset, and mindset is not affected by what just happens on the field, the biggest contributor to mindset is what happens off the field. Mindset is a fickle state. Even one sentence can fester in one's mind that effects behaviour, we have all been through it.

When our players read, watch, listen to what ex-players have to say on TV shows, to what the media prints about them, to what fans say on social media, then this will have an effect on performances.

English media had a habit in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, to ridicule English players across all sports, if said player did not perform in a particular match, he was the headline on the front page, back page, and 10 pages in between. If this was not enough, the media would relentlessly ridicule the player for days, if not weeks. This had a knock on effect. Some players resigned, some players were met with public humiliation from fans, some players never performed at the same level again and their career were over. David Beckham had to deal with hanging effigies, abuse, torment from the public, all because he was sent off vs Argentina in a WC - it almost destroyed him, and his career. Now the English media learned its lesson, resort to constructive criticism, has stopped the public humiliation, and we can see the difference it has made with England doing well in global sports in the past decade or so.

Pakistan cricket will not improve until the fans, the media, the ex players start to support Pakistan through thick and thin, through win and loss, in public. England twigged this, Australia, India, NZ, have all twigged this, expect for our so called "We want the best for Pakistan" fans, the same fans would sell Pakistan down the river.
 
Rana said:
I am the problem? I make guys like Rizwan and Babar bat at 4.7 runs per over in the middle overs?
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You will never understand why fans like you are THE problem.

You carry on with your understanding of the game, but the game is not played based on stats, it is all about mindset, and once you realise what effects the mindset of players, you will soon realise why fans like you are indeed the crux of the problem.
 
True, India are levels above Pakistan, its not even close. However, we were doing really well, playing to our limitations until the collapse came.

But we have too many empty jerseys like Imam, Iftikhar, Shadab and Nawaz. Babar are Rizwan are average with Babar content to get his fifties.

Rohit Sharma was hitting balls out the park as as though he was in his back garden, we don't have anyone close that kind of player in the team. Made the hyped up Shaheen and Rauf like little kids getting smacked around.
 
Gullycricket said:
Yet again here we are. Another defeat staring at the team. Yet again people will come and say ,"I was right" or "X should have played" etc . You know the usual from fans. Nobody should defend this performance. But the question is Could anything different be expected?
I want you all to think differently. We are just not good enough. Shaheen is not as good as Bumrah. Kuldeep is class. There is no one who can match India man to man. Let's be honest.

Netherlands don't feel sad after losing. They just take the positives and enjoy the game. You all do it too. I say it again "No Amir,Imad etc can prevent what's a rotten system." They too aren't good enough. We sadly are miles behind.
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I think it is a little less simplistic than you are voicing in that Cricket is largely decided on favourable conditions and to a lesser extent the toss of a coin. These factors have a much bigger impact than in most other sports.

We’re playing India in India. They have a world class bowling attack optimised and primed for every ground they play on here. On a track where the chasing side pretty much always wins. They won the toss and thoroughly kept us under the pump from ball one.

We do not have the quality to beat India in India in 2023. And any luck that could have helped change that equation even slightly for a big upset was not there.
 
100% truth and i know it hurts but that is the reality. Somehow we did well against Srilanka but that was a world record as we know. Look at afganis fighting against the English we would never chase this 285 and even bangladesh will beat us that is my humble opinion.
 
hass said:
I think it is a little less simplistic than you are voicing in that Cricket is largely decided on favourable conditions and to a lesser extent the toss of a coin. These factors have a much bigger impact than in most other sports.

We’re playing India in India. They have a world class bowling attack optimised and primed for every ground they play on here. On a track where the chasing side pretty much always wins. They won the toss and thoroughly kept us under the pump from ball one.

We do not have the quality to beat India in India in 2023. And any luck that could have helped change that equation even slightly for a big upset was not there.
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Just in India? We do not have the quality to beat them anywhere, we got mauled in Sri Lanka and UAE. We also got thrashed by them in the last WC in England.
 
Even when we are good enough to win, our own ex-players humiliate Pakistan in public and find some excuse to spew hate towards Pakistan.

I still remember Amir Sohail's comments, LIVE on Pakistan TV, after Pakistan had thrashed India in the CT 17 final - He claimed the match was fixed. This is coming from a Pakistan WC winner. Undermining Pakistan's tournament win against India of all teams! Let this sink in.

The same gutless, spiteful, and hateful mentality is evident in fans who use social media and forums to vent their hate, who think they are doing Pakistan a favour with their "I want the best for Pakistan" yet also claim Pakistan did not deserve to win the CT17 - or what ever match it is. The so called "I want the best for Pakistan" fans do not have one positive thing to say about Pakistan, even when players perform, even when Pakistan win. It's just constant vitriol and opposition boot-licking.

Such fans/personas/media have not earned the right to sing along Dil Dil Pakistan, nor do they have a right to demand Pakistan perform, they have a mindset problem of their own, and their mindset is the fundamental cause to the state of Pakistan cricket.

Love has limits, hate does not.
 
Technics 1210 said:
You will never understand why fans like you are THE problem.

You carry on with your understanding of the game, but the game is not played based on stats, it is all about mindset, and once you realise what effects the mindset of players, you will soon realise why fans like you are indeed the crux of the problem.
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Arey bhaiyya kehna kya chahte ho?

How are fans like me responsible for Shadab Khan bowling full tosses to Rohit Sharma?
 
Definitely not good enough all batsman one dimensional bowlers barley balling 4dots in a row.

Some fans wanting afgh to win today so Pak can fraud it to the semis sums everything up.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, skill and talent don’t matter. It’s all about confidence.

Shadab will morph into Shane Warne if you give him confidence. 🤡
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You again, please go back to defending the RSS ideology, there's enough hate with Pakistan team as it is.

:)
 
AAli98 said:
Definitely not good enough all batsman one dimensional bowlers barley balling 4dots in a row.

Some fans wanting afgh to win today so Pak can fraud it to the semis sums everything up.
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That is not a problem with Pakistan's batting skill, but rather the approach to scoring runs - aka - mindset.

If Pakistan were targeting 300+ they will have it in their mind they need to score 6 runs an over. The problem is, then when they score 6 runs an over, they started blocking, because they meet the over run target, and when they lost wickets, they need to make up for the lost runs to meet he quota - the very essence of a collapse or a low score.

Until Pakistan does not approach run scoring/setting with a holistic approach, a change of mindset and confidence, we will see more and more dots balls in the future.
 
Also, people fail to realize that confidence and mindset are by-products of your skill level.

The higher the skill level, the more confident you will be because you have faith in your abilities.

Babar and Rizwan batted like scared kittens against Kuldeep and Jadeja because they knew that with the ball keeping low can holding up in the pitch, they will find it difficult to dominate them and will end up throwing their wickets away and get criticized for being reckless.

Rohit took on Shaheen and Rauf from ball one because he knew that there’s a high chance of him winning the battle.

Mindset and confidence matter but only when it is backed by skill. An average player will not become a world beater just because he’s confident and has the right mindset.

Rohit lost his confidence against Shaheen after the T20 World Cup in 2021 and you could see that he was timid against him over the next 2/3 games, but after the first Asia Cup match in last month when Pakistan media did the “they cannot play him” drama for one week, Rohit remembered that he is Rohit and he has no reason to fear him.

Over the next two matches, Asia Cup match 2 and the World Cup match yesterday, Rohit has reduced Shaheen from “they cannot play him” to “they cannot wait to play him”.

This is what confidence + mindset does when you have the skill and the ability. They are mandatory prerequisites or else you become Ahmad Shehzad.
 
Mindset has nothing to do with skill, nor is a by product of skill.

Just go look at Mark Ramprakash, he had all the skill in the world at the county level, 100 tons worth, but not the right mindset for international level.

You cannot teach a mindset, it is not a by-product of anything but your surroundings and perceptions, which is why mindset is a sub-conscious attribute of your mind. Mindset is the bedrock for everything from confidence, to performances, to behaviour.

No one forgets how to play, Babar and Rizwan have proven they have the skills, but the application of those skills, is all down to mindset. Otherwise players would never have bad patches in their careers.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, skill and talent don’t matter. It’s all about confidence.

Shadab will morph into Shane Warne if you give him confidence. 🤡
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It’s because of fans like you that Shadab has been hopeless for more than a year in this format
 
Mamoon said:
Also, people fail to realize that confidence and mindset are by-products of your skill level.
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You were the first person to attribute Kohli's bad patch in cricket to his marriage. You wrote essays on how a completely off-the-field event effected Kohli's mindset and ultimately his performance.

Confidence and mindset are not by-products of skills, it is the other way round, skills and performances are the by-products of mindset and confidence, and off the field events have a greater influence on a mindset than on the field events.
 
Technics 1210 said:
You were the first person to attribute Kohli's bad patch in cricket to his marriage. You wrote essays on how a completely off-the-field event effected Kohli's mindset and ultimately his performance.

Confidence and mindset are not by-products of skills, it is the other way round, skills and performances are the by-products of mindset and confidence, and off the field events have a greater influence on a mindset than on the field events.
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That’s Kohli.

He is one of the greatest players the game has ever seen. For a player like him, mindset makes a difference.

Similarly, Rohit is one of the greatest white ball players of all time and for him, mindset makes a difference too.

He was timid against Shaheen before he realized that he has no reason to be because he is a better batsman than Shaheen is as a bowler.

But I can assure you that Pakistan’s problem is not mentality and attitude. It is lack of skill. Most players aren’t good enough when compared with Indian counterparts.

Skill can never be the by-product of mindset and confidence. A 6 handicap golfer like myself cannot beat a scratch golfer with high confidence and positive mindset because those factors won’t bridge the gap between our respective skill levels but I can beat a 5 handicapper if I have the right frame of mind.

Pakistan don’t have the players to beat India more often than not. India simply have better players and better confidence has mindset will change nothing unless Pakistan bridges the gap by producing better skilled players.
 
Lets look at some other examples of how off-the-field events effect the mindset, and ultimately on-the-field performances.

Saeed Anwar - easily one of the best openers in Pakistan history. He tragically lost his daughter, and after that he was never the same player again. You want to believe if he scored another century after the tragedy he would regain his confidence and mindset and start scoring again? He would be back to performing at the level before the tragedy? No. Not unless you want to believe Mamoon's nonsense where mindset and confidence are a by-product of skill.

Ravi Ashwin - easily won of India's best spinners, he was ok, until he got married, which had a positive effect on his mindset, and his stats post 2011 prove this.

Jofra Archer - WC winner, labelled as the future of England's fast bowling legacy, faced a barrage of racist abuse after winning the WC, via social media. Never the same bowler again, even in the IPL!

Mindset is everything, and off-the-field events have the greatest impact on mindset and performances, and it doesn't matter how skillful you are as a player, if your mindset is not in the right place, you will never perform despite how much skill you have. If your mindset is spot on, it will bring out the best in you.

The mindset of Pakistan players is down in the dumps thanks to the hateful fans & media of Pakistan, long before yesterday's staged political match by the the GoI government. Yes, I say GoI government because Jay Shah is the son of Amit Shah who is penciled in as Modi's successor.
 
Oh look, off-the-field events, an Earthquake in Afghanistan, has affected team Afghanistan's mindset, and galvanized the team.

Afghanistan beat England, current WC holders, not because Afghanistan are better skilled, or have more talent, but because mindset - the power of subconsciousness - trumps everything.
 
Time and time again proving the same. Usama was so hyped but turned to be a dud. Same for other options. PCT is a minnow team . Better to make peace with it rather than fight it
 
Technics 1210 said:
Lets look at some other examples of how off-the-field events effect the mindset, and ultimately on-the-field performances.

Saeed Anwar - easily one of the best openers in Pakistan history. He tragically lost his daughter, and after that he was never the same player again. You want to believe if he scored another century after the tragedy he would regain his confidence and mindset and start scoring again? He would be back to performing at the level before the tragedy? No. Not unless you want to believe Mamoon's nonsense where mindset and confidence are a by-product of skill.

Ravi Ashwin - easily won of India's best spinners, he was ok, until he got married, which had a positive effect on his mindset, and his stats post 2011 prove this.

Jofra Archer - WC winner, labelled as the future of England's fast bowling legacy, faced a barrage of racist abuse after winning the WC, via social media. Never the same bowler again, even in the IPL!

Mindset is everything, and off-the-field events have the greatest impact on mindset and performances, and it doesn't matter how skillful you are as a player, if your mindset is not in the right place, you will never perform despite how much skill you have. If your mindset is spot on, it will bring out the best in you.

The mindset of Pakistan players is down in the dumps thanks to the hateful fans & media of Pakistan, long before yesterday's staged political match by the the GoI government. Yes, I say GoI government because Jay Shah is the son of Amit Shah who is penciled in as Modi's successor.
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Jofra suffered due to injuries not abuse. I thought you were onto something until you exposed your ignorance as usual.
 
Wasim Akram was asked once why PCT is so unpredictabily bad. He said tell me one thing in this country which is predictably good. Gives the answer for everything
 
Gullycricket said:
Time and time again proving the same. Usama was so hyped but turned to be a dud. Same for other options. PCT is a minnow team . Better to make peace with it rather than fight it
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Been saying this for 11 years.

Pakistan is not good enough and will not be good enough. We don’t know what it takes to be a top team and we will never find out. We don’t have it in us.

There are thousands of sports teams in the world that are widely supported with passion even though their fans know that they will never be the best in their sport.

Pakistani fans should be proud of their team and support with passion but they should overcome their delusions and lower their expectations.

Pakistan’s real problem is not that it is mediocre. It is fine to be mediocre. The main problem is that there is a huge gulf in the fans expectations and the capability of the players.

When you overhype average players it is your fault not theirs. Time to lower your expectations instead of demanding the team to play at a level they are incapable of.

If you expect a crow to fly like a falcon, whose fault is it?
 
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Mamoon said:
Jofra suffered due to injuries not abuse. I thought you were onto something until you exposed your ignorance as usual.
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You are wrong, please Google his his tweets. Even NZ cricket board got involved apologising for crowd behaviour.

As for Jofra injuries, move on, didn't stop him from playing in the IPL.



:)
 
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Technics 1210 said:
You are wrong, please Google his his tweets. Even NZ cricket board got involved apologising for crowd behaviour.

As for Jofra injuries, move on, didn't stop him from playing in the IPL.

Nice of you to make an appearance today though, I guess you could not find anything to counter my points, instead took a swing, and missed dearly, as usual.

:)
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Yeah, his recurring elbow injuries weren’t the problem.

It might be news to you, but he has played only 3-4 IPL matches in 3 years because he’s not fit.

Mumbai Indians retain him year after year because they believe that he will recover and be a big asset again.
 
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Mamoon said:
Yeah, his recurring elbow injuries weren’t the problem. The abuse was.

It might be news to you, but he has played only 3-4 IPL matches in 3 years because he’s not fit.

Mumbai Indians retain him year after year because they believe that he will recover and be a big asset again.

I didn’t miss it dearly. I swung hard and smashed you of the ground like Rohit and Warner smashed Rauf.

But I do that to you every day so it’s normal for me now.
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Jackanory, point still stands, Jofra was playing in the IPL despite nursing an injury.

Speaking of news, do Google Jofra
 
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Pakistan's Cup final is on Monday. Win that and beat Bangladesh then you can say given where Pakistan are that they have not underachieved.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Jackanory, point still stands, Jofra was playing in the IPL despite nursing an injury.

Speaking of news, do Google Jofra and his insecure tweets.

You are on PP today because Pakistan is getting a hammering, this is how predictable you and your mindset are.
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Archer has also played a few games for England over the last year because he keeps having recurring injuries. Whenever he is back his elbow injury is aggravated.

After playing a few for England, he played a few in IPL before returning home because he suffered another injury.

But yes, he is not playing because of abusive tweets not because he has fitness issues.

You just solved ECB and MI’s dilemma. He is super fit as per Dr. Technics. All they need to do is get him off Twitter.
 
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Guys, please stay on topic. No need to discuss a player in this thread and be involved in a conflict. Unrelated stuff will be removed.
 
Jofra suffered from a mental breakdown following the racism he received. This guy had to have psychology sessions on how to handle the abuse, and the ECB also advised him to steer clear of social media.

His injury never prevented him from playing for England or in the IPL, his mindset did.

Mindset is everything! Not even 10 wickets in a Test match would help Jofra recover the abuse he received at grounds, and via X - Formally known as Twitter.

Anyone who suggests that performance leads to mindset, has a mindset problem of their own.
 
2013 CT ream would still beat them.

Mentally our weakest team ever.

Shameful and heads need to roll.
 
Too much wrist slitting from Pakistan fans. This is a belter. Starc/Cummins etc will go for plenty as well.
Need to be aggressive against Zampa and get to 200+ in 30 overs. Then last 20 overs it is game on.
 
We were good enough 4 years ago.

We were good enough to beat the two finalists of the 2019 world cup

We were good enough to be the number 1 T20 side

We were good enough to have a bowling line up that would consistently bowl out teams and rarely concede 350

Why were we good enough? Because we were led by a captain who had a vision and a plan. We had players who put the team first rather than chase personal milestones.

However yes now we are not good enough. Now we are a shell of a team, a team that if continues to be back by the higher ups will destroy our cricketing culture just like the way our hockey team was destroyed

The aftermath of this world cup will be make or break, we have two choices: continue with mediocrity or bring back excellence
 
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if they go too hard.. which happens when the run rate is high. Batters take more risks to maximize and can lose shape and a mini collapse.
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Not gonna happen mate, already had a mini collapse. Pakistans best hope is 375 score, except Lambu, all Ozzies can slog and slog hard.
 
Rana said:
That’s the spirit

Tum jeeto ya haaro
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Yes and you keep listening to the commentary dissing Pakistan on Star sports and telling us how you revel in it.

Pakistan ko dushman no ki koi zaroorat nahi jab aap jaise mahaan supporter ho.

:)
 
We are bang average said for a long time. Hence why I say saim ayub imad wasim and Mohammed Amir would have made a big difference but ego of babar to include his buddies has backfired.
 
The more painful thing is that our domestic lands are also barren. Socialism has destroyed grassroots cricket, as it has so many other departments like PIA, government schools etc.
 
Seeing the level of upcoming domestic players (U25 and U21) it is highly likely we will be playing the World Cup qualifier for 2031 World Cup and possibly not going to qualify.

The gap between domestic oldies (over 32) and the young guns is huge which is extremely shocking.
 
I have supported Babar for years but enough is enough

Such a poor captain. Plays bits and pieces cricketers, has no idea about match ups, pathetic field placements and an all round reluctance to innovate

The cherry on top is he always goes missing when the pressure is on
 
cricenjoyer said:
I have supported Babar for years but enough is enough

Such a poor captain. Plays bits and pieces cricketers, has no idea about match ups, pathetic field placements and an all round reluctance to innovate

The cherry on top is he always goes missing when the pressure is on
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Babar is making sure that we play at 80% of our potential because of defensive captaincy , stubbornness and poor eye of talent. Having said that the gulf in players quality between Pak and other teams is also pretty big now so even if he had shrewd and street smart captain we would have still not be able to qualify for semis
 
Today was a big match. Pakistan has never had an easy time against Australia in any form of the game, bilateral or ICC tournament. Shaheen did well today, big plus to him. Our openers did well, they gave the base that the "King" failed to capitalise on.

As I've said before, Babar has proven that he is not a big match player. Fair weather player. I am willing to bet money that ten years from now no one will remember his name. No one cares about your 50+ average or your centuries. It's all useless if you don't perform when your team actually needs you. Virat in the same situation would have obliterated the Australian attack today.
 
If you have seen any domestic cricket matches highlights the over 30s players specially batsmen and spinners are far more better then U25 players and this is alarming situation, the upcoming talent since the last two U19 worldcups is horrible as well , not a single spinner who can actually turn the ball , no pacer who can hit 140k and no modern power hitter with elegant stroke play ( that breed we never actually had so it’s ok)
 
Muhammad Saad said:
If you have seen any domestic cricket matches highlights the over 30s players specially batsmen and spinners are far more better then U25 players and this is alarming situation, the upcoming talent since the last two U19 worldcups is horrible as well , not a single spinner who can actually turn the ball , no pacer who can hit 140k and no modern power hitter with elegant stroke play ( that breed we never actually had so it’s ok)
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im tired of pace this pace that this hazlewood bowled at 145 ? no right pace is overrated if you are not consistent with your line and length
 
Pace and turn are never going out of fashion. But batsmen these days grow up facing 145K against bowling machines or those special levered throw downs.

Pace *alone* has no intimidation factor as it used to be as recently as 10-15 years ago.
 
Pakistan bowling unit were good enough to control the carnage and take 10 Wickets for just over 100 runs.

Pakistan openers were once again good enough to setup a late onslaught at 132/0

If Warner had not been dropped, then Aussies were all out for less than 300, 250 at best.

Here is the glaring stat that is never shown. During the carnage, and right up to Warner's wicket, Pak was 27 to 1 to win (Betfair). These odds dropped to 2.9 to 1 when Iftkhar hit the 3rd 6.

Pakistan do not have a talent problem, but have a mindset problem.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Pakistan bowling unit were good enough to control the carnage and take 10 Wickets for just over 100 runs.

Pakistan openers were once again good enough to setup a late onslaught at 132/0

If Warner had not been dropped, then Aussies were all out for less than 300, 250 at best.

Here is the glaring stat that is never shown. During the carnage, and right up to Warner's wicket, Pak was 27 to 1 to win (Betfair). These odds dropped to 2.9 to 1 when Iftkhar hit the 3rd 6.

Pakistan do not have a talent problem, but have a mindset problem.
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Yes Australia are are a terrible team but somehow Pakistan still ended up with 0 points despite taking 10 wickets for 100 runs, opening stand of 132, and Iftikhar hitting 3 sixes.
 
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