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People said we will miss Misbah badly and he was the only one holding our batting together. Everyone was saying if Misbah goes Pakistan will even struggle to cross 150..now what? With three experienced players out. Hafeez getting run out early. Pakistan still manages to post 250. Where are those wise men who were saying without Misbah's services Pakistan batting will not score even 200 odd we used to score.

The point of this thread is only to prove Pakistan was never out of players who could play the role of Misbah. I've mentioned in many other threads that even Azhar playing at his place under same circumstances would have had done better job. The only reason Pakistan hasn't been able to match other quality team's batting is because we are missing out of some quality stroke makers+few all rounders and long tail doesn't help either.

Pakistan's batting will never miss Misbah in ODIs. The only people you might miss are Umar Akmal and Afridi. good luck for next game.
 
It is against Bangladesh where Azhar Ali capitalized on a good start yet we still managed to collapse around the 35th over mark.

250 should not be the standard on a pitch where Bangladesh scored 329...
 
MRSN said:
People said we will miss Misbah badly and he was the only one holding our batting together. Everyone was saying if Misbah goes Pakistan will even struggle to cross 150..now what? With three experienced players out. Hafeez getting run out early. Pakistan still manages to post 250. Where are those wise men who were saying without Misbah's services Pakistan batting will not score even 200 odd we used to score.

The point of this thread is only to prove Pakistan was never out of players who could play the role of Misbah. I've mentioned in many other threads that even Azhar playing at his place under same circumstances would have had done better job. The only reason Pakistan hasn't been able to match other quality team's batting is because we are missing out of some quality stroke makers+few all rounders and long tail doesn't help either.

Pakistan's batting will never miss Misbah in ODIs. The only people you might miss are Umar Akmal and Afridi. good luck for next game.
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Yes none of player got out on first ball duck. As keeper did not drop any catch, so you are right We shall miss umar akmal.
 
Any pride in scoring 250 on a pitch that flattened our considerably at the latter half of the day? Misbah's main contribution is in chasing tricky scores and also when he comes out with his team being 1-4 or 11-2. Pakistan didn't end up in such situations because of the flatness of the pitch and lack of penetration in our bowling, not to mention a bit of defensive captaincy. I don't think it will be the same story tomorrow.

Yes Misbah was not important today. Chasing big scores is not his game, but for UA and Afridi it is. But no one can deny the value of Misbah in the side over the past 7 years or so.
 
LOL....
it was a Bangladesh attack

Did u see the bowlers conceding 329 too?
 
Wow. Scoring 250 against Bangladesh on a flat track is brilliant isn't it? A shame that we couldn't score something like 330.
 
Sakss said:
LOL....
it was a Bangladesh attack

Did u see the bowlers conceding 329 too?
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The_KING said:
Wow. Scoring 250 against Bangladesh on a flat track is brilliant isn't it? A shame that we couldn't score something like 330.
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lol should I remind you when we were chasing the same total against same team on same track Misbah was back in pavillion with 220 runs yet to win?

It's funny how Misbah fans have list of excuses ready no matter what.

we all know how great Misbah's contribution was in 3-0 against Aus,quarterfinal against Australia etc.

I've said this in the past and I'll say it again Azhar will finish as a better ODI player than Misbah..only time will tell but we will never ever have a player with 100+ games in the middle order having strike rate <70 in the future. It was only Misbah's specialty which will hopefully remain a thing of past. Pakistan will continue to score 250+ even against quality teams. Misbah never made any difference against big teams. If I could show you the record [MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION] posted other day our record against non minnows in last 12 months is even not good than Bangladesh.
 
On a flat pitch against Bangladesh, 9th best or 4th worst team in the world. Real test will champions trophy in England, could be scary.
 
Ikball said:
Yes none of player got out on first ball duck. As keeper did not drop any catch, so you are right We shall miss umar akmal.
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Umar Akmal and Afridi have been playing most vital roles in Pakistan's wins. Umar's regress in last 12 months meant Pakistan's ODI record went worse than Bangladesh in last 12 months.
 
Amazing how some posters sit here waiting for Pakistan to fail. Wearing a Pakistan jersey is so cheap.
 
MRSN said:
People said we will miss Misbah badly and he was the only one holding our batting together. Everyone was saying if Misbah goes Pakistan will even struggle to cross 150..now what? With three experienced players out. Hafeez getting run out early. Pakistan still manages to post 250. Where are those wise men who were saying without Misbah's services Pakistan batting will not score even 200 odd we used to score.

The point of this thread is only to prove Pakistan was never out of players who could play the role of Misbah. I've mentioned in many other threads that even Azhar playing at his place under same circumstances would have had done better job. The only reason Pakistan hasn't been able to match other quality team's batting is because we are missing out of some quality stroke makers+few all rounders and long tail doesn't help either.

Pakistan's batting will never miss Misbah in ODIs. The only people you might miss are Umar Akmal and Afridi. good luck for next game.
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People are gonna smack you for your Last line, which is bitter but TRUE
 
as i said before and i will say it again.
both Missi and afridi ( though some will say i am adding credibility to afridi by writing his name with missi )
were legends, great saviors . People will miss both , ( people will miss afridi too but some won't share, as hatred and ego problems i guess )
but its time to move on. both are gone, so let it be. build a new team which will need time till then keep your heads cool.
back these boys.
 
True. First game of series, playing away and made made 250+ despite scoreboard pressure. Bangladesh won the match, but this young team got the moral victory.
 
He has arguably been the biggest curse for Pakistan along with Afridi
 
MenInG said:
Amazing how some posters sit here waiting for Pakistan to fail. Wearing a Pakistan jersey is so cheap.
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trust me I was watching the whole first ODI and there was not a single moment when I wished Pakistan to lose. In fact I was hoping against hope that Pakistan could somehow pull off a surprise here when Rizwan was batting well. I've my full support for Pakistan but that doesn't mean I can't see what is going to come. Sometimes you need to be a realist rather than getting disappointed. I've cried many tears when Pakistan had a good team that lost the game but this doesn't deserve it. I've never seen such a spineless and poor ODI team. Selectors didn't do their homework obviously and Waqar was their to only please his ego by sacking Shehzad and Umar.

No explanation will be given why Ajmal was selected ahead of Zafar Gohar.
No explanation for playing Saad Nasim as a finisher when he doesn't come anywhere near this role.
No explanation for why Fawad Alam was batting at 6 when he can't clear the circle.
No explanation for why we played with 4 bowlers with two making comeback after year or so.

When you have so many things going wrong only miracle can win you matches. Pakistan's biggest problem is they have tools as selectors who have absolutely no knowledge about something called "a balanced team". A new team doesn't mean you throw in all players of one dimensional and bowlers who have been out of cricket for years without proving themselves in domestic cricket getting straight entry into the playing XI.

here is a list of players that should have been picked but didn't due to incompetency of selectors and coach Waqar Younis who doesn't know anything else than the correcting other's attitude.

Baber Azam for Sami Aslam in ODIs as he is a far far better ODI player and could have done well in the middle order or even as finisher.
A better All rounder who could actually clear the ground than Saad Nasim who is a very limited batsman and not good enough bowler.
Zafar Gohar in place of Ajmal
Shahzaib Ahmed in place of Zulifqar Baber

It's tough to expect us to hope that this team will win when there are so many things wrong with this team.
 
Calm down.. its a 250 against Bangladesh on the flatest of pitches - not against AUS/SAF.
 
How about you make this thread when we actually win a match with our batting?
 
True. Shame you needed 300+ though


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#GreenRoars said:
People are gonna smack you for your Last line, which is bitter but TRUE
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True because Afridi/Akmal fanboys who understand nothing but strike rate and sixes say it is true? I don't think so.
 
Orbis said:
He has arguably been the biggest curse for Pakistan along with Afridi
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He is one of the most respected Pakistani player by any neutral expert. But he is a curse because YOU say so? Yeah right!
 
#GreenRoars said:
as i said before and i will say it again.
both Missi and afridi ( though some will say i am adding credibility to afridi by writing his name with missi )
were legends, great saviors . People will miss both , ( people will miss afridi too but some won't share, as hatred and ego problems i guess )
but its time to move on. both are gone, so let it be. build a new team which will need time till then keep your heads cool.
back these boys.
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I would agree with you on this. Past is past. Time to look towards the future and support your team
 
Indiafan said:
He is one of the most respected Pakistani player by any neutral expert. But he is a curse because YOU say so? Yeah right!
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Funnily enough, his countrymen are arguably the only people that don't rate him. Most experts outside Pakistan agree that he was a good servant to Pakistan cricket and we would have arguably been worse off without him.
 
MenInG said:
Amazing how some posters sit here waiting for Pakistan to fail.
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Only moron/idiots would want Pakistan team to fail!!!

It not amazing at all that some cricket fans with opposing point of view log on to PP and chat about what is wrong or right about the team and why because it certainly does not makes an iota of a difference to the fact if team fails or succeeds.

Bigger shame, sin and amazing part is that when you can clearly see wrong doings within PCB management, team managements, captains, coaches and players who intentionally put their personal benefits and preferences ahead of team's benefits which CAUSES team to fail.

Much bigger shame, sin and amazing part is that people knowingly support those wrong doings.


MenInG said:
Wearing a Pakistan jersey is so cheap.
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Ijaz Butts, Mohammad Ilyases and any selector, captain or coach who has put his personal friendships, relationship, sifarishes, likes or dislikes ahead of deserving talents, have lowered the prices of that jersy to that lowest of the low point. What fans like you and me write on PP can not even close to the damage these people have caused to the team.

Let me ask you this......
a) Misbah for 2 years totally ignored Azahr Ali. Never ever mentioned that Azhar was even in consideration for ODI team.

b) The all of a suddent Misbah find Azhar fit, capable and good enough to be captain of the team.


Which one is the wrong decision - a or b?

Why should Misbah not be criticized for at least ONE wrong decision?

These are the type of decisions which make "wearing Pakistani Jersey very cheap"! No logic at all!


Why Shoaib Malik is even being considered to any team - 73 last innings and ave of 17/18. Why? I don't care who wants him in the team Afridi or SYK. Malik does not justify to be in the team.

These are the type of decisions which make "wearing Pakistani Jersey very cheap"! No logic at all!


As MRSN said, we did not want (or will never want) Pakistan to fail - and point out blunders, does not mean that for sure!


MRSN said:
No explanation will be given why Ajmal was selected ahead of Zafar Gohar.
No explanation for playing Saad Nasim as a finisher when he doesn't come anywhere near this role.
No explanation for why Fawad Alam was batting at 6 when he can't clear the circle.
No explanation for why we played with 4 bowlers with two making comeback after year or so.
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Let me add a few points to your list.
No explanation for not playing Azhar for 2 year.
No explanation for appointing Azhar as captain.
No explanation for Umar Akmal's attitude - what exactly did he do?
No explanation for Shehzad's attitude - what exactly did he do?
No explanation for Shehzad "undermining the captain" - what exactly did he do?
No explanation for holding the players accountable and yet no accountability for captain, coach, selectors, PCB executives and Chairmen!
No explanation from Captain/Coach for not playing Sarfraz in WC matches.
O..wait .... Misbah did say this about that....
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...s-down-under-are-different-quot-Misbah-ul-Haq
But if that was the case, why a 3rd opener was not selected??????? No explanation! :)

No explanation from Captain/Coach for persisting with out of shape/form Nasir Jamshed.
No explanation from selectors/PCB for selecting YK for the WC and then dropping him for BD series?

I can bet my house that most of above decisions were not made in the best interest of the team but
Unfortunately there is no way to prove that!
 
Losing Misbah and Afridi has no made no difference.

The only thing that is missing is big game temperament which youngsters will learn in time.
 
I wouldn't have even bothered watching Pakistan's chase if Misbah was in the line up. Complete liability if you are chasing any decent total with him being in the line up.

With some shuffling and Umar Akmal back in lower order this batting line up may not be as bad as people think.
 
Glad that we got rid of two most unworthy and over rated players in the history of Pak cricket.

Its a strange fact that the first ODI after Misbah's retirement, we couldn't see any one tuk or just blocking the balls, infact everyone of them were rotating the strike beautifully. even Azhar who always blocked most of the deliveries were going at better SR. We could see the glimps of happiness in Pakistan batting line up and dressing room without Misbah.

what great riddance. pheww!! !! Future of Pakistan cricket looks bright. Alhamdulillah!!
 
Pakistan will score 250 in Asia, especially Bangladesh, Misbah or not. But who will take them to 234 against Zimbabwe from 70/4 on a good Brisbane wicket? That is where Misbah added value to Pakistan. He was a great batsman respected by neutrals for a reason. Only Pakistan didn't seem to realize his value.
 
Sandeep said:
Pakistan will score 250 in Asia, especially Bangladesh, Misbah or not. But who will take them to 234 against Zimbabwe from 70/4 on a good Brisbane wicket? That is where Misbah added value to Pakistan. He was a great batsman respected by neutrals for a reason. Only Pakistan didn't seem to realize his value.
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Skimmed through the thread, this was one of the only reasonable posts here.
 
pak lost by 79 runs against bangladesh... and u still feel happy for scoring 250... yes there were positives from azhar, haris and rizwan and also losing only 2 wickets between 100-200 which is really extraordinary from a pakistan batting pov, middle order no.4 and 5 scored half centuries but couldnt carry on, but still contributed more than 100 runs...which is a pretty good sign... given time to settle this lineup will turn into worldbeaters
 
This thread looks so silly now. The Pakistani batting was exposed in the first game but in this second game, it is being truly decimated. Yet again people underestimate Misbah's value and yet again they are being shown his importance. This team is RUBBISH.
 
Strike rotators and four hitters have got us how many runs today?? Oh noo lets look at strike rates..
 
Misbah should not have retired until end of tge yr..he could have dropped the cuptaany but boy do we need top class batters right now..
 
Funny how some posters need to bash Misbah at a time when Pakistan look like losing their second game in a row to Bangladesh :facepalm:
 
the Great Khan said:
Misbah should not have retired until end of tge yr..he could have dropped the cuptaany but boy do we need top class batters right now..
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Misbah could have carried on until the end of the year but what difference would it have made? This Bangla series wouldn't have been such a humiliation and any Odi cricket we play until the end of the year would also have been better, but the same thing would have happened at the start of 2016. Pakistan would have become a completely hopeless team in 2016 rather than half way through 2015.

The fact is that talent in Pakistan is scarce and the little we have of it is not being utilised. Shehzad and Uner out and Maqsood injured. No matter how irresponsible you may think Shehzad and Umer are, Pakistani fans must realise quickly that they are the best we have. It's all well and good dropping them if you have David Warner and AB De Villers sitting on the bench but when your bench is empty, you don't have the luxury of dropping them "on principal", as Haroon Rashid has.
 
Life without Misbah, Pakistan losses to minnows
 
Horrendous, this is the worst batting lineup out of all the top sides. Without Misbah we look very fragile.

We keep losing wickets in clusters and can never get going.
 
Give this team some time to settle in. Hafeez been a true failure. Haris should bat at 3
 
I will remember Afridi but no way Umar Akmal is near to any such memories.

Regarding the performance of our relatively new team I am ready to give them some time.

By the way people will always rant on the selection of team no matter what you do.



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MRSN said:
If I could show you the record [MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION] posted other day our record against non minnows in last 12 months is even not good than Bangladesh.
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Here is the data [MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION]. You can also see the data in cricinfo by changing the filter for different periods,

Pakistan_last12.jpg

I don't think that 12 months gives you a large enough sample size but Pakistan has done poorly in the last 3 years as well,

pakistaninlast3.jpg

You can change the period yourself to see performance for different periods. I think performance has been really poor mainly in the last 3 years.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2012;spanval2=span;template=results;type=team
 
^ One thing to note here. You can't really take BD W/L and compare it one to one with Pakistan. Pakistan has played twice the amount BD played. BD W/L will fluctuate a lot more after every 2-3 match when compared to Pakistan. But you can clearly see the poor performance of Pakistan in recent years.
 
Wait till Pakistan plays against SA/ OZ/ NZ.. Might even struggle to get 3 digit score and that's when you will realize whom you are missing.
 
Major said:
Life without Misbah, Pakistan losses to minnows
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Zim<<<<<Ireland<<<<Bangladesh

Drawn test series and lost an ODI against Zim.

Tied with Ireland and in other game we won due to brilliance of Kamran and Wahab. Misbah was missing in these games wasn't he?
 
the Great Khan said:
Strike rotators and four hitters have got us how many runs today?? Oh noo lets look at strike rates..
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You gotta be kidding me. This is a Misbah and his fans dream ODI team filled with all players of one dimensional. 250s is the best you can get from them.
 
Lol @ the fixation with Misbah. Misbah is gone but his "fans" will get withdrawal symptoms if they dont talk about him.
 
Buffet said:
Here is the data [MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION]. You can also see the data in cricinfo by changing the filter for different periods,

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I don't think that 12 months gives you a large enough sample size but Pakistan has done poorly in the last 3 years as well,

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You can change the period yourself to see performance for different periods. I think performance has been really poor mainly in the last 3 years.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2012;spanval2=span;template=results;type=team
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Just shows how much overrated Misbah as a captain is. Thank gopdness his time is over. I'm not gonna expect miracles from this new and young team in first few serieses but what I know there is a bright future awaiting us. It will take time to wash blunders of Misbah and his mindset and disastrous future planning. He never let any young player settle into ODIs which is why we were horrendous. Keep bringing back ttfs and his buddies aka YK and Asad.
 
Misbah had to retire at some age, I rather he retire 4 yrs prior to the next WC then to retire say 1-2 years down the line.
 
Sandeep said:
Pakistan will score 250 in Asia, especially Bangladesh, Misbah or not. But who will take them to 234 against Zimbabwe from 70/4 on a good Brisbane wicket? That is where Misbah added value to Pakistan. He was a great batsman respected by neutrals for a reason. Only Pakistan didn't seem to realize his value.
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Please stop lying. It wasn't Misbah only. We had vital contributions from Umar and Wahab to reach that total. Misbah thrown it away once he hot his fifty which he does the best. It was Umar's positive batting+Wahab's best inning of his lifetime otherwise the way Misbah was playing we wouldn't have crossed 200.
 
Misbah was only good at one thing throwing it away after 30s and 40s @ 70 strike rate. He was a false hope.
 
MRSN said:
Misbah was only good at one thing throwing it away after 30s and 40s @ 70 strike rate. He was a false hope.
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He was master at throwing away an innings.

People on tv complaining about Harris throwing away a promising start but give him a break he's new.

Misbah made an entire career out of it.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Lol @ the fixation with Misbah. Misbah is gone but his "fans" will get withdrawal symptoms if they dont talk about him.
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A captain who has been leading team in all formats for 4 years leaves a completely new and unsettled team. Should he not share the blame for this? Don't you think it's duty of a captain to prepare a team for future as well?
 
MRSN said:
A captain who has been leading team in all formats for 4 years leaves a completely new and unsettled team. Should he not share the blame for this? Don't you think it's duty of a captain to prepare a team for future as well?
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You are absolutely right. Dont think the fault lies with the players. Misbah must be the reason your star Hafeez is not performing.
 
Hahahaha
Misbah still being thrashed for the lose of Pakistan.....just wow

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Wonder whom the Misbah haters will blame now. A whitewash against Bangladesh, whom would you blame? :))
 
MRSN said:
A captain who has been leading team in all formats for 4 years leaves a completely new and unsettled team. Should he not share the blame for this? Don't you think it's duty of a captain to prepare a team for future as well?
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Built a team for the future with which players? Those who sold their country?:asif:amir:butt

Or Umar Akmal who faked an injury simply because his older brother wasn't picked in the playing 11?
 
We would've lost the series to Bangladesh 3-0 under Misbah too - face it.

Under Misbah, we lost a Test to an unranked side (Zimbabwe) as well as an ODI against the same opposition.

If anything, we miss Afridi, and not because he was good; but because of his unpredictability.
 
Square Drive said:
We would've lost the series to Bangladesh 3-0 under Misbah too - face it.

Under Misbah, we lost a Test to an unranked side (Zimbabwe) as well as an ODI against the same opposition.

If anything, we miss Afridi, and not because he was good; but because of his unpredictability.
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And we did win the series 3-0 against England and that so under Misbah....which no one else can achieve.

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theariezman said:
And we did win the series 3-0 against England and that so under Misbah....which no one else can achieve.

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And how can you make such a claim? Give Azhar the same side (with Ajmal 1.0), and he can probably achieve the same.
 
Square Drive said:
And how can you make such a claim? Give Azhar the same side (with Ajmal 1.0), and he can probably achieve the same.
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At the moment he equals the record of loosing to minnows.

Misbah lost against Zimbabwe
Azhar lost against Bangladesh

I hope and wish he could equal the record of winning as well.

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Logical said:
Really.. like REALLY ?

The great Misbah lost a test match against Zimbabwe and he can very well lose against Bangladesh too.
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didi he lose to bangladesh, was he whitewashed by a minnow, no.
 
And Australia still scored 400s after Bradman retired, India still scored over 300 in ODIs since Sachin retired, Paksitan still used to take 10 wickets after Wasim, Waqar retired.
 
Major said:
didi he lose to bangladesh, was he whitewashed by a minnow, no.
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Ignorance.

You first stated Pakistan is losing to minnows in absence of Misbah where as he lost not only an odi but a test match to Zimbabwe which is far more embarrassing. Add Ireland to that list as well. Oh and if it wasn't for Afridi's heroics and Misbah not getting out early there is no way Pak would have chased that 320ish target against Bangladesh in Asia Cup.
 
theariezman said:
At the moment he equals the record of loosing to minnows.

Misbah lost against Zimbabwe
Azhar lost against Bangladesh

I hope and wish he could equal the record of winning as well.

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He will. Give him time. He has a young time, whereas Misbah had the services of bowlers who were performing brilliantly (Ajmal, Hafeez, Junaid, Irfan, Rehman, Wahab), whereas Azhar has a bunch of rookies under him. Hafeez, Ajmal, and Junaid are just making comebacks into the side. No experienced, established batsman. Hasn't been easy for him thus far.
 
Pakistan not able to win a single odi game against bangladesh without misbah.This is life without misbah.Rest of the 10 players completely exposed.
 
It is interesting yet tragic to note that people still haven't realized that Misbah was neither the problem nor the solution; he was simply part of the problem. A poor tactician and motivator but a respectable leader; a good and rock solid batsman, but clearly limited and did not possess the x factor to win matches for his country.

Anything contrary to the above and you are bordering on fanboyism or blind hatred, depending on which side you are on.
 
Mamoon said:
It is interesting yet tragic to note that people still haven't realized that Misbah was neither the problem nor the solution; he was simply part of the problem. A poor tactician and motivator but a respectable leader; a good and rock solid batsman, but clearly limited and did not possess the x factor to win matches for his country.

Anything contrary to the above and you are bordering on fanboyism or blind hatred, depending on which side you are on.
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well said !

unfortunately, fan boys on either side are not ready to believe. I was surprised to see more than Afridi, there were Misbah fans who were full of chest beating and bloating about life after Misbah and the shambolic loss.
 
Pakistan didn't score 250 due to Misbah but they didn't concede so many during Misbah's time either. Letting Zimbos score nearly 340 that too in your own home ground? :))
 
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