Lifetime international cricket ban for future match-fixers?

[Mamoon]

Will my employer rehire me once I get dismissed for stealing something in the company? Life does not give you second chances often, I would have to seek employment else where and hope my past history won't screw me up. Companies do background checking for a good reason.

Sports is different.

The %age of athletes in any given group is extremely small, it can't be compared to a company with employees and even then, if you have a really outstanding employee who made a mistake, got suspended and is legally eligible to come back, I don't see any wrong with it.

At the end of the day, it is morality vs. legality and no one is the winner here.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Too many moral warriors on this forum, who have never done anything wrong in their life.

You guys will be the first one to rub your nose in the dirt if you ever find yourself in such a position.

Mistakes happen and they paid the price for it - 5 years is massive for an athlete, when he has at best, 10-15 years at the top level. Very few cricketers can play for 20 years.

That's like ~35% of the career. Why shouldn't they be allowed to play once their ban is over?

Yes, I haven't been stupid enough to commit mistakes like taking bribes and money when in hospital or representing my country abroad.

If you are stupid enough to do that, (which I believe he wasn't stupid, he knew fully well he was doing wrong) , then you better be punished.

After the punishment, there should be no guarantee that you are allowed the same post because of your inherent greatness or aura.

Rest is just semantics from people, trying to play the moral card here.

Including you.

Everyone commmits mistakes, the bigger mistakes you commit, the more disgrace you get.

If you cheat your country, you lose the right to represent that country.

If you cheat your city, you lose the right to be elected for that city.

If you cheat your home, you lose your standing in front of your parents.

You can sugarcoat it any way you want, and play the moral brigade of having done so many mistakes in life, but everyone knows taking money for bowling no-balls by an 18 year old is not a dumb mistake.

It's a travesty and he knew it all along.

 

[JaDed]

These same Indian fans (not all but the whinging type in this thread and anyone else) who are crying about Amir will not batter an eyelid against their stooge Srini who now runs the ICC, and it's even more ironic how greedy the BCCI is after money these days. Actually now the game of cricket is nothing but about money money money.
How on earth he became president of the ICC can happen only in cricket. But I guess there is nothing to discuss there right, that's fine as it's all "legal".

And the little independence there once was is all but gone.

Blood stained individuals are elected to become presidents in countries, why does it become a big issue if a cricketer comes back to the game, that too when the circumstances were clear as daylight and he serves his sentences in full and shows remorse too.

I didn't remember any protest from certain fans when Marlon Samules came back after serving his ban ? Infact he was welcomed with open arms in the IPL, and again no one said a thing then. Now all of a sudden it's a big issue, hypocrisy at its worst.

In Chennai itself where Srini owns the team there is a lot of hatred against him we all want him out most of them are not able to support CSK due to him.
I agree Amir needs to be allowed but here onwards for future i think there should be an international Ban on players who hereby commit fixing.They can continue with domestic and T20 league.Its an honor to represent the country.

 

[FreeBird]

Will my employer rehire me once I get dismissed for stealing something in the company? Life does not give you second chances often, I would have to seek employment else where and hope my past history won't screw me up. Companies do background checking for a good reason.

In this case, let the freaking employer decide whether it wants to hire them or not?
Who are we to decide?
It's PCB's call.

 

[Junaids]

In this case, let the freaking employer decide whether it wants to hire them or not?
Who are we to decide?
It's PCB's call.

It depends, doesn't it?

If you throw a match, lose on purpose, then obviously no-one should touch you with a bargepole. It's like stealing money from your employer.

The problem is with spotfixing as opposed to matchfixing. It doesn't actually have a "victim" in terms of the outcome of the match, it just rips off gamblers (who aren't your employer and are probably illegal anyway). So it is like having an employee turn up 1 minute late for work or go home slightly early. I certainly don't sack my staff for that - most of them had gone home before closing time on Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve.

We return to the same problem.

I think that matchfixing and spotfixing are endemic and are protected at high levels. I was told many years ago by an American friend never to trust any sport with an auction for players' services, because it is too easy to abuse as a way of laundering money for match fixing in the form of a "legitimate" payment to a player. And now, years later, an auction model has arrived in cricket.

If, like me, you believe that corruption in cricket is almost-universal, it becomes very hard to advocate for life-bans if they are going to be used selectively.

The Pakistanis who were doing a bogus spotfix for a journalist who wasn't connected to real fixing were caught and heavily punished.

But at their court case, the prosecution named team-mates who were accused of actual matchfixing for real criminals. And those people were never charged or punished by the ICC.

I suspect that real fixers won't get caught or banned. The only people who will be brought to justice will be ones working either for competing employers or who are caught in media stings using bogus fixing rings.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

It depends, doesn't it?

If you throw a match, lose on purpose, then obviously no-one should touch you with a bargepole. It's like stealing money from your employer.

The problem is with spotfixing as opposed to matchfixing. It doesn't actually have a "victim" in terms of the outcome of the match, it just rips off gamblers (who aren't your employer and are probably illegal anyway). So it is like having an employee turn up 1 minute late for work or go home slightly early. I certainly don't sack my staff for that - most of them had gone home before closing time on Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve.

We return to the same problem.

I think that matchfixing and spotfixing are endemic and are protected at high levels. I was told many years ago by an American friend never to trust any sport with an auction for players' services, because it is too easy to abuse as a way of laundering money for match fixing in the form of a "legitimate" payment to a player. And now, years later, an auction model has arrived in cricket.

If, like me, you believe that corruption in cricket is almost-universal, it becomes very hard to advocate for life-bans if they are going to be used selectively.

The Pakistanis who were doing a bogus spotfix for a journalist who wasn't connected to real fixing were caught and heavily punished.

But at their court case, the prosecution named team-mates who were accused of actual matchfixing for real criminals. And those people were never charged or punished by the ICC.

I suspect that real fixers won't get caught or banned. The only people who will be brought to justice will be ones working either for competing employers or who are caught in media stings using bogus fixing rings.

Great.

So now NBA and MLB and NHL are also fixed because they auction players.

EPL and La Liga more so.

Everything is fixed.

Why waste our time?

 

[Junaids]

Great.

So now NBA and MLB and NHL are also fixed because they auction players.

EPL and La Liga more so.

Everything is fixed.

Why waste our time?

No, that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying that auction systems carry an additional risk over other systems because they allow a way of allowing reimbursement of people for corrupt services. Try watching the movie Mickey Blue Eyes, where art auctioneer Hugh Grant marries into a mafia family and suddenly they keep sending terrible paintings for auction which each go for more than $50,000!

English football is incredibly careful about corporate or shared ownership of players for exactly this reason. As soon as you introduce this sort of thing you lose control of being able to police corruption in sport.

I'm not saying that all American sport is fixed, or most, or even very much. But I am saying that as long as cricket has auction systems permitted, there will be significant amounts of corruption, and arguably endorsed or tolerated corruption.

 

[Junaids]

Dr Bassim,
Let's say that tomorrow there is a match between those well-know cricketing nations, Honduras and the Congo.

And I am a fixer from that well-known cricket gambling market, Botswana.

I want the Honduras batsmen to go slow tomorrow for the first five overs, because I can make a killing on spreadbetting: I think I can clear $20 million.

I offer the Honduras batsmen $500,000 each, and I offer the next Honduras batsman due in another $300,000.

But Honduras is a respectable country, with taxation laws. These players cannot just bring large amounts of unexplained money into the country.

But I tell them that in the upcoming auction for the Botswana Super League the Gaborone Gators and the Francistown Frat Boys will put in bids for each of them of $500,000.

They do the fix and they get the money legally for playing in that T20 league.

The tax office has nothing to act on. It's a perfect crime.

That's the danger of auctions. They are only as safe as the most unscrupulous owners. And, worse, they tempt the fixers into direct or indirect ownership.

I make no accusations against "real" teams. I'm just pointing out the vulnerability of the system.

 

[JaDed]

There is a difference between playing for a club and country imo its ok for the player to get a limited ban on cricket if the fixing occurs at club but playing for the country should be treated at a different level and punishment should be severe.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

How many feel that the PCB should enforce a lifetime ban for anyone caught spot/match fixing for now on?

I realise everyone has a right to earn a living and a return to domestic cricket is reasonable but to play for Pakistan is a privilege. Once a player betrays a nation's trust I can't see how they can be give such a responsibility again.

This has nothing to do with past convictions, I'm talking about any infringements from now on.

PCB had a golden opportunity to make an example out of asif, amir and butt. If they didn't do that time what makes you think they will do it in the future.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

No. The current 5 year ban for spot-fixing is just right. A case can be made for a second offence resulting in a longer ban but you don't just take away someone's bread and butter because they made one mistake.

I am sorry but what internal ban did PCB give to these 3 fixers? Other countries are banning cricketers for life for the same offence.

 

[Barragan]

Match-fixing= Yeah

Spot-fixing= No

 

[IndianWillow]

In this case, let the freaking employer decide whether it wants to hire them or not?
Who are we to decide?
It's PCB's call.

Agree with that, actually. If the employer hires again, and the guy commits the same offense again, the employer will look like a big joker. In this case, we are not just talking about the employer but the nation.

 

[Buffet]

I am sorry but what internal ban did PCB give to these 3 fixers?

PCB was even hell bent on playing fixers immediately after they were caught. Eng protested and still PCB wanted them to play. Thankfully ICC intervened.

 

[FreeBird]

PCB had a golden opportunity to make an example out of asif, amir and butt. If they didn't do that time what makes you think they will do it in the future.

This is another dilemma, actually.

Asking PCB to punish the corrupt is like asking a donkey to teach wisdom to a cow.

The entire board is filled with the most inept, corrupt, unqualified, and clueless people who are appointed thru a super corrupt system of nepotism and political connections.

With what face should PCB punish the corrupt players ??

 

[Usman]

I don't think you can have a blanket lifetime ban for fixing. Match fixing yes, spot fixing no. Whatever Amir did or did not know about the spot fixing he was involved in, I feel he was so young he does deserve a second chance after such a lengthy ban. His case makes me feel that a lifetime ban would be too harsh.

 

[FreeBird]

PCB was even hell bent on playing fixers immediately after they were caught. Eng protested and still PCB wanted them to play. Thankfully ICC intervened.

I support PCB on this. There is nothing fair - it's a dog eat dog world out there. You don't live in rosy world of a Lala land anymore.

The only reason these guys were caught is that they were stupid and they were a small fish.

Yes, there is another angle to it where some Pak fans felt betrayed; however, those fans need to grow up and understand the system by looking at these games as WWF wrestling matches where there is music, glitter and lots of hype but everything is fixed behind the doors.

The dynamics have changed. Everything needs to be dramatized these days to make it more attractive so that it could generate more money.

I was talking to an Indian work collegue. And he said, when we go out to watch an IPL game in India, we want our beer, dancing girls, music and dance and shouting n screaming at boundaries - WE DONT GIVE A CRAP AS TO WHO WINS AND WHO LOSES!

This is how modern day sports and entertainment industry works.
Screw the honesty and fair play and moral philosophies. They only exist in books.

 

[Bilal7]

I am sorry but what internal ban did PCB give to these 3 fixers? Other countries are banning cricketers for life for the same offence.

Well, countries are different. I believe that the PCB has taken a just stance on this issue.

 

[Buffet]

I support PCB on this.

I believe that the PCB has taken a just stance on this issue.

You guys are not alone. Many PPers support PCB for backing fixers form the get go.

 

[FreeBird]

You guys are not alone. Many PPers support PCB for backing fixers form the get go.

Yeah because we don't live in a sissy world of morality. It's a jungle out there. We need to wake up n smell the coffee that we are NOT at the top of this food chain. Do whatever it takes to improve your chances of survival in this food chain. That's the name of the game.

 

[Bilal7]

You guys are not alone. Many PPers support PCB for backing fixers form the get go.

*From backing a kid who made one mistake from the get go. Asif and Butt haven't been treated like Amir and that has nothing to do with performances since Asif was a much better bowler at that point.

 

[Buffet]

*From backing a kid who made one mistake from the get go. Asif and Butt haven't been treated like Amir and that has nothing to do with performances since Asif was a much better bowler at that point.

PCB didn't take any actions against trio, ICC did. PCB wanted to play trio after getting caught. There was surely some sympathy for Amir due to his young age and many even outside Pakistan said so but when all said and done, PCB didn't take any action and wanted to play trio after getting caught.

 

[Bilal7]

PCB didn't take any actions against trio, ICC did. PCB wanted to play trio after getting caught. There was surely some sympathy for Amir due to his young age and many even outside Pakistan said so but when all said and done, PCB didn't take any action and wanted to play trio after getting caught.

The ICC took action which was good enough. The PCB will and should give them a fair chance after their bans expire.

 

[Buffet]

The ICC took action which was good enough.

It saved an embarrassing situation where Eng was protesting and PCB was hell bent on playing fixers. Lack of actions by PCB can't be justified by ICC actions.

 

[miandadrules]

I support PCB on this. There is nothing fair - it's a dog eat dog world out there. You don't live in rosy world of a Lala land anymore.

The only reason these guys were caught is that they were stupid and they were a small fish.

Yes, there is another angle to it where some Pak fans felt betrayed; however, those fans need to grow up and understand the system by looking at these games as WWF wrestling matches where there is music, glitter and lots of hype but everything is fixed behind the doors.

The dynamics have changed. Everything needs to be dramatized these days to make it more attractive so that it could generate more money.

I was talking to an Indian work collegue. And he said, when we go out to watch an IPL game in India, we want our beer, dancing girls, music and dance and shouting n screaming at boundaries - WE DONT GIVE A CRAP AS TO WHO WINS AND WHO LOSES!

This is how modern day sports and entertainment industry works.
Screw the honesty and fair play and moral philosophies. They only exist in books.

Classy

 

[miandadrules]

PCB had a golden opportunity to make an example out of asif, amir and butt. If they didn't do that time what makes you think they will do it in the future.

I personally don't want to players found guilty to return. However, the counter argument would be you can only be punished according to what the law was at the time which would have derailed the thread.

That is why I said from now on, if the PCB put a clause in to the player contracts which states those found guilty of such offences will no longer be eligible for selection then can be no defence of ignorance.

By opposing it aren't we condoning such actions?

 

[miandadrules]

Bump!

No that the reality becomes unpalatable suddenly the moral compass of posters shifts.

I think there is a word for that.

 

[Mamoon]

I support this now, I wasn't thinking right 3 years ago. Zero tolerance for fixers from now on.

 

[miandadrules]

Bump!

No that the reality becomes unpalatable suddenly the moral compass of posters shifts.

I think there is a word for that.

*Now

 

[miandadrules]

I support this now, I wasn't thinking right 3 years ago. Zero tolerance for fixers from now on.

Unfortunately, the horse has bolted.

You can only punish people according to what the law is at the time.

 

[miandadrules]

On the bright side, we are well on our to fielding a starting 11 comprised of active "fixers".


Butt
Sharjeel
Latif
Malik
Amir
Asif

Past the half way mark.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

On the bright side, we are well on our to fielding a starting 11 comprised of active "fixers".


Butt
Sharjeel
Latif
Malik
Amir
Asif

Past the half way mark.

cue the moment when a small child in some remote place in pakistan will take inspiration from this and stand in front of the mirror and say this to himself/herself

'main bara ho kay match fixer banoun ga/gi'

 

[Hawkeye]

Bump!

No that the reality becomes unpalatable suddenly the moral compass of posters shifts.

I think there is a word for that.

If anyone is actually found doing this, indeed should be banned for life.

 

[Mamoon]

Unfortunately, the horse has bolted.

You can only punish people according to what the law is at the time.

You have to start somewhere. What should have been done with the Justice Qayyum Report was not done with the spot-fixers in 2010, but it can be done now.

 

[miandadrules]

If anyone is actually found doing this, indeed should be banned for life.

Too late now.

We can't change the rules retrospectively.

 

[kingusama92]

Yes.

I don't think anyone should have sympathy at this point.

 

[miandadrules]

You have to start somewhere. What should have been done with the Justice Qayyum Report was not done with the spot-fixers in 2010, but it can be done now.

It can be done from now on but it can't be applied to those caught in this scenario.

That's how the rule of law works.

 

[Mamoon]

It can be done from now on but it can't be applied to those caught in this scenario.

That's how the rule of law works.

I know how it works, but the PCB or any department/franchise cannot be forced to select these players. That is as good as a life ban.

 

[miandadrules]

Yes.

I don't think anyone should have sympathy at this point.

The law shouldn't be based on whims and emotions.

Those that defended Amie's return have no standing to now act self-righteous once the reality becomes unpalatable.

The reason Pakistan is a mess is because there is no respect for the law and everything is based on whims and emotions.

 

[miandadrules]

I know how it works, but the PCB or any department/franchise cannot be forced to select these players. That is as good as a life ban.

And tomorrow when public opinion changes they can unban them and the cycle continues.

If you want these two banned them I'm sure you'd want Amir, Asif, Butt and Malik removed too?

 

[Mamoon]

On the bright side, we are well on our to fielding a starting 11 comprised of active "fixers".


Butt
Sharjeel
Latif
Malik
Amir
Asif

Past the half way mark.

Malik openly threw away a match and did not hide it in the post match presser, because he was protesting against the fine that was imposed on him for the slower over rate of his team.

I don't think it can be considered as match-fixing. He didn't accept any payments and didn't hide the fact that he was underperforming deliberately.

An offense no doubt, but I won't paint him with the same brush as others. Unless you are referring to another incident of which I'm unaware.

 

[Mamoon]

And tomorrow when public opinion changes they can unban them and the cycle continues.

If you want these two banned them I'm sure you'd want Amir, Asif, Butt and Malik removed too?

Yeah I don't have any problem with all the fixers getting dropped from the team, but Malik's case was different. It wasn't a case of him getting sold out.

 

[Pollack]

Lifetime ban is too much for PSL fixing.

 

[Shafi]

People from other countries can hang their cricketers for all I care but I'm happy with how the PCB has supported Amir, Asif and Butt.

A mistake was made and they have learned their lesson. After their time is done, they are like any other cricketer in our country, in my eyes and should be treated as such.

Brother!! These Ppiers are sinless people and consider themselves above GOD. They do not believe in mercy.
But without the mercy of GOD no body can enter heaven.
That's the real difference of self promoted righteousness and God the supreme

 

[Stallion__]

Should be banned for life if you get caught fixing in any form of professional cricket. No terms and conditions, no equivocation.

 

[uberkoen]

Brother!! These Ppiers are sinless people and consider themselves above GOD. They do not believe in mercy.
But without the mercy of GOD no body can enter heaven.
That's the real difference of self promoted righteousness and God the supreme

Even though I agree with the gist of what you're saying but please keep religion and cricket separate.

 

[miandadrules]

Yeah I don't have any problem with all the fixers getting dropped from the team, but Malik's case was different. It wasn't a case of him getting sold out.

So you want the law to be applied preferentially?

What evidence is there he didn't sell out? His word?

Once again falling in to the same trap.

And I'll reiterate you can't apply the law after the event.

 

[miandadrules]

Malik openly threw away a match and did not hide it in the post match presser, because he was protesting against the fine that was imposed on him for the slower over rate of his team.

I don't think it can be considered as match-fixing. He didn't accept any payments and didn't hide the fact that he was underperforming deliberately.

An offense no doubt, but I won't paint him with the same brush as others. Unless you are referring to another incident of which I'm unaware.

Was there an investigation in to Malik and his finances?

But looks like you simply want the law applied to your emotional whims.

That is no way to run a society.

Match-fixing is cheating the fans, no matter which way you spin it.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I am pretty sure if PCB slaps them with a 2 year ban Sharjeel will become a cult hero.

The moral brigade will come out again and say they have a right to represent Pakistan after 2 years.

Sharjeel will be put on pedestal and paraded through streets of the country as a naïve fool who went wrong.

Square one for Pakistan.

I knew this would happen.

The only tragedy is it happened sooner than I thought it would.

We love to live in our second chances and try to flout laws to our liking.

Expect it to be no different this time, with massive support for Sharjeel if he escapes with a light ban.

 

[Mamoon]

So you want the law to be applied preferentially?

No, but Malik's case is different. He didn't accept payments and attempted to fix the match hoping that he won't get caught, he openly threw away a match because he was fined for the over rate of his team. Again, not justifying his behavior, but only explaining how his case is completely different to that of Amir, Butt, Asif and potentially Sharjeel and Latif.

What evidence is there he didn't sell out? His word?

He wasn't accused of accepting money and selling out, so where does the evidence come from? As always, burden of proof lies with the one who makes the accusation. It is clear that you are accusing him of being a sell-out, so please provide the proof.

Once again falling in to the same trap.

There is no trap. You are comparing apples and oranges.

And I'll reiterate you can't apply the law after the event.

And I'll also reiterate that I'm well aware of this. However, as I said, the PCB is free to not select Sharjeel and Latif for Pakistan in the future even their ban expires, which is as good as a life ban.

Was there an investigation in to Malik and his finances?

There can only be an investigation when there is suspicion. The PCB have not suspected Malik of selling-out at any point in his career. Does that mean that Malik never sold out? No it doesn't, maybe he has; maybe he hasn't. However, that is how it is - if you get away with it and no one catches, you are clean.

The PCB cannot investigate every single player. There is also no proof that the so-called clean players like Misbah, Younis, Hafeez, Afridi (you hate him like no tomorrow, but he has never been accused of match-fixing) have never been involved in fixing, but since there is no accusation and proof that they did, we have to assume that they are clean.

But looks like you simply want the law applied to your emotional whims.

Unfortunately it is the other way round. You have a strong hunch that Malik is a sell-out even though you have no proof that he is, and there has never been any accusation leveled against him on this front, but because you feel that way, you are want him to be painted with the same brush as the other convicted fixers. Anyone can be a sell-out theoretically, but you cannot ban players based on intuition.

That is no way to run a society.

Match-fixing is cheating the fans, no matter which way you spin it.

What he did was nonsensical and I have not attempted to defend him and justify his behaviour/actions at any point. I'm simply explaining how his case is different compared to the others, and there are different levels of cheating. Openly throwing away a match in protest is not worse than accepting money for attempting to fix a match, hoping that no one will catch you.

 

[Hasan123]

Whoever is found guilty should be banned for life.

 

[msb314]

Too many moral warriors on this forum, who have never done anything wrong in their life.

You guys will be the first one to rub your nose in the dirt if you ever find yourself in such a position.

Mistakes happen and they paid the price for it - 5 years is massive for an athlete, when he has at best, 10-15 years at the top level. Very few cricketers can play for 20 years.

That's like ~35% of the career. Why shouldn't they be allowed to play once their ban is over?

2 years later - you are singing the same tune anymore...

 

[msb314]

Malik openly threw away a match and did not hide it in the post match presser, because he was protesting against the fine that was imposed on him for the slower over rate of his team.

I don't think it can be considered as match-fixing. He didn't accept any payments and didn't hide the fact that he was underperforming deliberately.

An offense no doubt, but I won't paint him with the same brush as others. Unless you are referring to another incident of which I'm unaware.

I was about to post the same thing but I think [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] was referring to Saleem Malik.

 

[msb314]

Whoever is found guilty should be banned for life.

Banned for life in PSL or from all formats of the game?

Personally - I think if he just did not report a bookie, we should be lenient on him.

However, if he did spot fix, he deserves nothing less than a lifetime ban in all formats of the game.

 

[msb314]

I am pretty sure if PCB slaps them with a 2 year ban Sharjeel will become a cult hero.

The moral brigade will come out again and say they have a right to represent Pakistan after 2 years.

Sharjeel will be put on pedestal and paraded through streets of the country as a naïve fool who went wrong.

Square one for Pakistan.

I knew this would happen.

The only tragedy is it happened sooner than I thought it would.

We love to live in our second chances and try to flout laws to our liking.

Expect it to be no different this time, with massive support for Sharjeel if he escapes with a light ban.

It is different - the trio were the first pakistani players to have been caught and accused of spot fixing and hence their 5 year ban was justified.

However, Sharjeel and Khalif had the benefit of hindight along with the hours of coaching and training on anti corruption. The rules and standards of fixing have changed a lot since the trio were caught.

Hence, Sharjeel and Latif should be given a much more harsher sentence.

 

[msb314]

If he's the best pacer in the country then he deserves to be playing at the highest level, especially if he's turned over a new leaf like we both believe he has. Unless you want to be like a corrupt selector and hold him back because of your own moral beliefs.

A 5 year ban pretty much ended the careers of Asif and Butt and stalled the growth of Amir so I seriously doubt that any youngster would purposefully spot-fix after this.

I guess not

 

[Hasan123]

Banned for life in PSL or from all formats of the game?

Personally - I think if he just did not report a bookie, we should be lenient on him.

However, if he did spot fix, he deserves nothing less than a lifetime ban in all formats of the game.

If they actually fixed it should be a life ban no question.

Failure to report a meeting with a bookie should also seem some form of a ban as well.

 

[msb314]

If they actually fixed it should be a life ban no question.

Failure to report a meeting with a bookie should also seem some form of a ban as well.

Would the life ban extend to t20 leagues (e.g. PSL) as well?

 

[Hasan123]

Would the life ban extend to t20 leagues (e.g. PSL) as well?

If they are found guilty they should be banned from all forms of cricket domestically and internationally . That is an adequate punishment for disgracing the game of cricket and the nation of Pakistan.

 

[srh]

Bump!

No that the reality becomes unpalatable suddenly the moral compass of posters shifts.

I think there is a word for that.

I supported Amir's return and now I feel so ashamed about it. It was totally wrong decision. Amir, Asif and Butt should have banned for life. Wish PCB make it an unwritten policy not to play them again in any Pakistan team.