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Liverpool FC | 2016-17 Season

Unambitious signings, rivals strengthening better than us yet again, tough start to the league season yet again - nothing to look forward to.
 
Hasan123 said:
Not signing enough quality to be taken seriously. Big job for Klopp
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But the work load is less - no Sunday-Thursday fixture, therefore the squad should be fresh. There are 2 telling weakness in this team -

1. Not enough quality in starting XI (4231)

GK : Question mark - Karius has to improve Mignolet significantly
RB : Decent, but we should have gone for Mercado
CB : Solid - Sakho, Lovren, Matip, Klavan
LB : Poor - must have to sign one for starting line-up, Moreno is just not consistent enough. Going by the shirt number 3, I think JK might play him at LB, which was his 2nd position at PSG
DM : Can - decent, at 23 should improve by each year. Not many makes German squad at 20 & after Bastien, he is almost certain to start for many years
CM : Grujic - question mark. Potentially world class, but he is just 20, in a new league. In Milner & Henderson, there is decent back-up; but none is more than decent. Lucas is leaving, but I would keep Allen.
RW : Mane - world class, but need time for settling in a new team. No decent back-up - may be Origi'll be used as make shift
AM/No. 10 : Firninho - world class, starter for Brazil. In his 2nd year in EPL, should improve. Coutinho is the back up; Wijnaldum should add depth.
LW : Coutinho - Quality, but in consistent. Problem is, if he becomes consistent, he'll be world class ..... & leave for Barca. Unfortunately back-up is Lollona.
CF : Sturridge - when fit, world class. At 26, should be at his prime, but I am not sure how many minutes he can remain healthy. Back-up Inggs is Championship quality - English CF, at 23, bought for $10mn, enough indication.

I think, it's not a bad starting XI - if we can add Hector & possibly Lecazzette, it's a top class team without extra work load of mid week.

2. There are too many English players in Liverpool. We had the highest suppliers for Woy Hodgeson's pathetic bunch & that reflects in our League & England's Euro performance. Unfortunately, after Rafa, next 3 British Managers had very little clue regarding global talent, neither had the pulling power outside British Isles, therefore we were almost limited to EPL & British talent. Klopp has rightly identified the problem & he is off-loading over hyped English players. So far 5 purchase - none of them English & I think, he'll off-load more. Ideally, for home grown clause, we need to keep 8 English players over 21 - 5th & 6th CB, 3rd win-back (Flanaghan is fine); 3rd GK & 4 for bench. I am sure, Klopp will end-up there, once Milner, Lallana, Henderson & Sturridge's contract is over (combined those 4 draws insane $1mn/week).

That European mid-week work load is tough, particularly if you are to travel in East Europe or Scandinavia - without that, we should end-up among top 4 for sure.
 
MMHS said:
But the work load is less - no Sunday-Thursday fixture, therefore the squad should be fresh. There are 2 telling weakness in this team -

1. Not enough quality in starting XI (4231)

GK : Question mark - Karius has to improve Mignolet significantly
RB : Decent, but we should have gone for Mercado
CB : Solid - Sakho, Lovren, Matip, Klavan
LB : Poor - must have to sign one for starting line-up, Moreno is just not consistent enough. Going by the shirt number 3, I think JK might play him at LB, which was his 2nd position at PSG
DM : Can - decent, at 23 should improve by each year. Not many makes German squad at 20 & after Bastien, he is almost certain to start for many years
CM : Grujic - question mark. Potentially world class, but he is just 20, in a new league. In Milner & Henderson, there is decent back-up; but none is more than decent. Lucas is leaving, but I would keep Allen.
RW : Mane - world class, but need time for settling in a new team. No decent back-up - may be Origi'll be used as make shift
AM/No. 10 : Firninho - world class, starter for Brazil. In his 2nd year in EPL, should improve. Coutinho is the back up; Wijnaldum should add depth.
LW : Coutinho - Quality, but in consistent. Problem is, if he becomes consistent, he'll be world class ..... & leave for Barca. Unfortunately back-up is Lollona.
CF : Sturridge - when fit, world class. At 26, should be at his prime, but I am not sure how many minutes he can remain healthy. Back-up Inggs is Championship quality - English CF, at 23, bought for $10mn, enough indication.

I think, it's not a bad starting XI - if we can add Hector & possibly Lecazzette, it's a top class team without extra work load of mid week.

2. There are too many English players in Liverpool. We had the highest suppliers for Woy Hodgeson's pathetic bunch & that reflects in our League & England's Euro performance. Unfortunately, after Rafa, next 3 British Managers had very little clue regarding global talent, neither had the pulling power outside British Isles, therefore we were almost limited to EPL & British talent. Klopp has rightly identified the problem & he is off-loading over hyped English players. So far 5 purchase - none of them English & I think, he'll off-load more. Ideally, for home grown clause, we need to keep 8 English players over 21 - 5th & 6th CB, 3rd win-back (Flanaghan is fine); 3rd GK & 4 for bench. I am sure, Klopp will end-up there, once Milner, Lallana, Henderson & Sturridge's contract is over (combined those 4 draws insane $1mn/week).

That European mid-week work load is tough, particularly if you are to travel in East Europe or Scandinavia - without that, we should end-up among top 4 for sure.
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Goalkeeper I don't know a lot about so will reserve judgment but won't be easy to adapt to the premier league for a 22 year old keeper. Look at how De Gea struggled. Cbs aren't that great tbh, in desperate need of a quality centre half. Lovern finished the season well but has mistakes in him. Sakho is good but hasn't developed to a consistent defender. I think Moreno might come good but an improvement isn't a bad thing.

Can- has the potential but honestly he is poor in possession at times and makes the wrong decision as well.
Mane- :))). No way is he world class. Questionable attitude and also his final ball is very inconsistent. Not a big fan don't know why you think he is world class.
Agree on the rest.

Lacazuette could be on his way to my team Arsenal if rumours are to be believed don't think he would join Liverpool anyway!

Lack of European football may help but honestly there's not enough quality atm and defence shape for me to say Liverpool will be up there. They still have time in the window but I don't see klopp as someone who will spend masses on proven quality,would prefer to work with youth and lesser known players. Also pressing style remains to be seen if it can work for a 38 premier league game season and when teams work out it out like german teams did to klopps dortmund, he could struggle. Organized teams will cause him problems. Away from home, Liverpool could cause plenty of damage with the pace of struidge, mane, and orgi,etc.
 
MMHS said:
But the work load is less - no Sunday-Thursday fixture, therefore the squad should be fresh. There are 2 telling weakness in this team -

1. Not enough quality in starting XI (4231)

GK : Question mark - Karius has to improve Mignolet significantly
RB : Decent, but we should have gone for Mercado
CB : Solid - Sakho, Lovren, Matip, Klavan
LB : Poor - must have to sign one for starting line-up, Moreno is just not consistent enough. Going by the shirt number 3, I think JK might play him at LB, which was his 2nd position at PSG
DM : Can - decent, at 23 should improve by each year. Not many makes German squad at 20 & after Bastien, he is almost certain to start for many years
CM : Grujic - question mark. Potentially world class, but he is just 20, in a new league. In Milner & Henderson, there is decent back-up; but none is more than decent. Lucas is leaving, but I would keep Allen.
RW : Mane - world class, but need time for settling in a new team. No decent back-up - may be Origi'll be used as make shift
AM/No. 10 : Firninho - world class, starter for Brazil. In his 2nd year in EPL, should improve. Coutinho is the back up; Wijnaldum should add depth.
LW : Coutinho - Quality, but in consistent. Problem is, if he becomes consistent, he'll be world class ..... & leave for Barca. Unfortunately back-up is Lollona.
CF : Sturridge - when fit, world class. At 26, should be at his prime, but I am not sure how many minutes he can remain healthy. Back-up Inggs is Championship quality - English CF, at 23, bought for $10mn, enough indication.

I think, it's not a bad starting XI - if we can add Hector & possibly Lecazzette, it's a top class team without extra work load of mid week.

2. There are too many English players in Liverpool. We had the highest suppliers for Woy Hodgeson's pathetic bunch & that reflects in our League & England's Euro performance. Unfortunately, after Rafa, next 3 British Managers had very little clue regarding global talent, neither had the pulling power outside British Isles, therefore we were almost limited to EPL & British talent. Klopp has rightly identified the problem & he is off-loading over hyped English players. So far 5 purchase - none of them English & I think, he'll off-load more. Ideally, for home grown clause, we need to keep 8 English players over 21 - 5th & 6th CB, 3rd win-back (Flanaghan is fine); 3rd GK & 4 for bench. I am sure, Klopp will end-up there, once Milner, Lallana, Henderson & Sturridge's contract is over (combined those 4 draws insane $1mn/week).

That European mid-week work load is tough, particularly if you are to travel in East Europe or Scandinavia - without that, we should end-up among top 4 for sure.
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Firmino actually didn't get into the Brazil squad but the selection process is a mess as it involves politically influenced selections.

Karius had a great season in the Bundesliga last season, and his stats were nearly as good as Neuer's. I see him giving good competition to Mignolet, but it's still a risky move as goalkeeper's tend to be very hit and miss when transferring to the BPL.

Clyne is one of your most consistent players so it'd be unfair to replace him.

Joel Matip was solid last season too and I expect him to greatly strengthen the Liverpool defence. I agree with you on Hector and Lacazette but I feel Lacazette is slightly unrealistic.
 
Why are we messing around over the LB position ? Sign a proven LB and be done with it. Alberto Moreno will cost us at least 5-10 goals this season given he's our first choice LB. We messed around for weeks over an unproven kid in Ben Chilwell and now it appears Milner's going to be used as a backup LB.

Oh great, and now Karius has broken his hand so Simon Mignolet will again be our first choice GK for the first month of the season doing his impersonation of Krusty The Clown.
 
[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION]

Liverpool is giving Barca a free football lesson in front of sell-out Wembely.
 
MMHS said:
[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION]

Liverpool is giving Barca a free football lesson in front of sell-out Wembely.
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Let's see what they do next week. Is Messi suarez and neymar playingM
 
Hasan123 said:
Let's see what they do next week. Is Messi suarez and neymar playingM
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Check Sky 1 - 1st choice team without Neymer who is at Rio 2016. In fact, Liverpool is missing Sturridge.
 
Has joe Gomez not recovered from injury? Quality player, Saw him against Arsenal at the Emirates, start of last season and he was electric.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Has joe Gomez not recovered from injury? Quality player, Saw him against Arsenal at the Emirates, start of last season and he was electric.
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He's another one of our injury prone bunch. Picked up Achilles problem in pre-season so will miss start of the season.

Sakho, Lucas, Sturridge and Gomez seem permanently injured. And I say that as a huge fan of Sturridge.

Durability is a massively underrated asset for a player, take Luis Suarez who seemingly never got injured.
 
Have got decent hopes for this season. Klopp has to secure Champions League football. Any less will be a failure. He has now spent the cash and gotten the players he wanted. I am happy with the signings - Wijnaldum, Mane and Klavan are great additions and will definitely make us stronger. Major worries are the LB position and GK position. Need to sign a new LB before the transfer window ends. I would really not like seeing Milner play there. My other worry is Klopp's training methods. He seems to push the players too hard and some of the players may not have the capacity to endure that and might get injured. Klopp knows what he is doing and I am a big fan but the no. of injuries even before the season starting is very worrying.
 
MMHS said:
But the work load is less - no Sunday-Thursday fixture, therefore the squad should be fresh. There are 2 telling weakness in this team -

1. Not enough quality in starting XI (4231)

GK : Question mark - Karius has to improve Mignolet significantly
RB : Decent, but we should have gone for Mercado
CB : Solid - Sakho, Lovren, Matip, Klavan
LB : Poor - must have to sign one for starting line-up, Moreno is just not consistent enough. Going by the shirt number 3, I think JK might play him at LB, which was his 2nd position at PSG
DM : Can - decent, at 23 should improve by each year. Not many makes German squad at 20 & after Bastien, he is almost certain to start for many years
CM : Grujic - question mark. Potentially world class, but he is just 20, in a new league. In Milner & Henderson, there is decent back-up; but none is more than decent. Lucas is leaving, but I would keep Allen.
RW : Mane - world class, but need time for settling in a new team. No decent back-up - may be Origi'll be used as make shift
AM/No. 10 : Firninho - world class, starter for Brazil. In his 2nd year in EPL, should improve. Coutinho is the back up; Wijnaldum should add depth.
LW : Coutinho - Quality, but in consistent. Problem is, if he becomes consistent, he'll be world class ..... & leave for Barca. Unfortunately back-up is Lollona.
CF : Sturridge - when fit, world class. At 26, should be at his prime, but I am not sure how many minutes he can remain healthy. Back-up Inggs is Championship quality - English CF, at 23, bought for $10mn, enough indication.

I think, it's not a bad starting XI - if we can add Hector & possibly Lecazzette, it's a top class team without extra work load of mid week.

2. There are too many English players in Liverpool. We had the highest suppliers for Woy Hodgeson's pathetic bunch & that reflects in our League & England's Euro performance. Unfortunately, after Rafa, next 3 British Managers had very little clue regarding global talent, neither had the pulling power outside British Isles, therefore we were almost limited to EPL & British talent. Klopp has rightly identified the problem & he is off-loading over hyped English players. So far 5 purchase - none of them English & I think, he'll off-load more. Ideally, for home grown clause, we need to keep 8 English players over 21 - 5th & 6th CB, 3rd win-back (Flanaghan is fine); 3rd GK & 4 for bench. I am sure, Klopp will end-up there, once Milner, Lallana, Henderson & Sturridge's contract is over (combined those 4 draws insane $1mn/week).

That European mid-week work load is tough, particularly if you are to travel in East Europe or Scandinavia - without that, we should end-up among top 4 for sure.
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The team I would play:

Mignolet (since Karius is injured)

Clyne - Klavan - Lovren - ?? (new LB)
Wijnaldum - Can
Mane - Firmino - Coutinho
Origi

For me that is the best possible team with Sturridge, Lallana, Henderson, Milner, Grujic, Sakho being rotated from time to time.
 
What a game, what a game.

We just need to replace Moreno with a top class LB & a No. 9
 
Moreno has time and again been found out of position. I wouldn't get rid of him but needs some serious help staying organised.

Great win today, this will give the team and manager confidence in believing we can challenge for the title this season.
 
We've rejected a £23m + £7m add-ons bid for Benteke from Crystal Palace. That's insane.

Who else is going to provide a better offer ? Just get him off the books as he's not going to play much anyway.

Apparently Klopp thinks £20m for Jonas Hector is too much and would rather develop Moreno so no new LB this summer. That means brain-dead Moreno with the back-up being James Milner since Flanagan has been loaned out to Burnley.

That's us shipping at least 10-15 goals through that position this season then.
 
Markhor said:
We've rejected a £23m + £7m add-ons bid for Benteke from Crystal Palace. That's insane.

Who else is going to provide a better offer ? Just get him off the books as he's not going to play much anyway.

Apparently Klopp thinks £20m for Jonas Hector is too much and would rather develop Moreno so no new LB this summer. That means brain-dead Moreno with the back-up being James Milner since Flanagan has been loaned out to Burnley.

That's us shipping at least 10-15 goals through that position this season then.
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Yeah well, Chelsea have just Aina, a past it Ivanovic and Azpi for both full-back positions combined.....
 
Markhor said:
We've rejected a £23m + £7m add-ons bid for Benteke from Crystal Palace. That's insane.

Who else is going to provide a better offer ? Just get him off the books as he's not going to play much anyway.

Apparently Klopp thinks £20m for Jonas Hector is too much and would rather develop Moreno so no new LB this summer. That means brain-dead Moreno with the back-up being James Milner since Flanagan has been loaned out to Burnley.

That's us shipping at least 10-15 goals through that position this season then.
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Klop must see something in Moreno that we all are missing. On Sunday, he picked up from he left off at Europa league final..... Utterly clueless defending.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Yeah well, Chelsea have just Aina, a past it Ivanovic and Azpi for both full-back positions combined.....
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Ivanovic was amazing against West Ham. Also we're now apparently willing to bid £20m for Hector the swap Azpilicueta back round to the RB position. :)))

Aina got ripped apart by Bonaventura and Marcelo so I'm a bit worried if we start him.
 
Now Sadio Mane needs a scan after picking up a shoulder injury in training. I think we should change the club anthem from YNWA to theme of Casualty.

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Why is it that

a) Players keep getting injured under this manager ?

b) This manager is able to set teams up well vs top sides but repeatedly stumbles against the bottom sides.

c) Thinks James Milner at LB is sufficient backup for the worst LB I've seen since Paul Konchesky in Alberto Moreno.

d) He gives Simon Mignolet five year contract despite letting all five of the last shots on target vs LFC into the back of the net.

e) For all the talk of a "gruelling preseason" we look as bad in defence as last season and the season before last.
 
Markhor said:
Why is it that

a) Players keep getting injured under this manager ?

b) This manager is able to set teams up well vs top sides but repeatedly stumbles against the bottom sides.

c) Thinks James Milner at LB is sufficient backup for the worst LB I've seen since Paul Konchesky in Alberto Moreno.

d) He gives Simon Mignolet five year contract despite letting all five of the last shots on target vs LFC into the back of the net.

e) For all the talk of a "gruelling preseason" we look as bad in defence as last season and the season before last.
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#KloppOut
 
London_Lahori said:
#KloppOut
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These liverpool fans have gone proper big headed after beating a 2nd XI barcelona :))) They keep telling me Messi played for it, it's like me bragging about a team which had Ishant Sharma in it :)))
 
shaz619 said:
These liverpool fans have gone proper big headed after beating a 2nd XI barcelona :))) They keep telling me Messi played for it, it's like me bragging about a team which had Ishant Sharma in it :)))
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:)))

The problem with the majority of Liverpool fans is, they still believe they dine at the top table and the truth is, they don't. They haven't for at least a decade.

They are no attraction, it's a bakwas city, they're rarely in the CL, they don't pay the higher wages, they don't win trophies (1 Capital One Cup in 10 years) and no manager is going to be able to change that. They've dug themselves a massive hole, when they should have been progressing in the 90's like United were, they say back and said 'we're Liverpool, we'll be fine' and now they're suffering.

It's going to take either something special for them to break out of this, or foreign oil money or Chinese investment.
 
shaz619 said:
These liverpool fans have gone proper big headed after beating a 2nd XI barcelona :))) They keep telling me Messi played for it, it's like me bragging about a team which had Ishant Sharma in it :)))
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The idiots banging on about preseason as if that's a barometer of how you're going to fare in the league.

IIRC we had a 100% record last summer in preseason and we finished 8th.

Barcelona hardly looked bothered and yet you had some of our fans weeping tears of joy.
 
Markhor said:
The idiots banging on about preseason as if that's a barometer of how you're going to fare in the league.

IIRC we had a 100% record last summer in preseason and we finished 8th.

Barcelona hardly looked bothered and yet you had some of our fans weeping tears of joy.
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You need that Chinese investment that's being spoken about, I truly believe it's the only way you can get back amongst the top teams.
 
London_Lahori said:
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The problem with the majority of Liverpool fans is, they still believe they dine at the top table and the truth is, they don't. They haven't for at least a decade.

They are no attraction, it's a bakwas city, they're rarely in the CL, they don't pay the higher wages, they don't win trophies (1 Capital One Cup in 10 years) and no manager is going to be able to change that. They've dug themselves a massive hole, when they should have been progressing in the 90's like United were, they say back and said 'we're Liverpool, we'll be fine' and now they're suffering.

It's going to take either something special for them to break out of this, or foreign oil money or Chinese investment.
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Its not a bakwas city, its come on a long way from the Thatcher years but the rest I agree with. The reports last night about Chinese investment is probably too good to be true. FSG have grown us commercially and cleared the debts that Hicks and Gillette left but they do not have the financial resources to compete with Chelsea, United and City. Our net spend and wage bill every summer is far behind our rivals. Isn't it incredible we have a positive net spend this summer after a season when we finished 8th ?

Their ideology of "developing young players" instead of buying ready made players is nonsense given we sell our best young players anyway like Sterling. Whilst FSG are forever waiting for this project to come good, Chelsea, City and United are blazing ahead buying proven players leaving us forever playing catchup.

Their recruitment in key positions have been awful. The scouting network have consistently bought average players from average teams for bloated fees. When you buy players from the likes of Southampton every summer, its no surprise we're finishing around the same place as them.

But the fish rots from the head. Who on this board has any football credentials ? Ian Ayre is a lightweight CEO with no football credentials. Mike Gordon is a baseball man yet apparently is running day to day operations. Compare this to City who appointed Begiristain and Soriano from Barcelona who actually have a track record in football to speak of unlike the novices we have in charge.

Finally, please can fellow fans give me a break about the morality of Chinese ownership and their human rights record. We have American owners whose government launched an illegal war of Iraq based on false pretences and ran a secret torture programme. Hardly paragons of social responsibility.

There is no morality in football nowadays, nearly every top club has invited foreign ownership, becoming the playthings of billionaires and far removed from their local communities.
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] what do you think ?
 
Sorry for the rant but I'm very disillusioned right now. I think we're finished as a top tier club and too many fans, deluded by this notion that Klopp is gonna be a miracle worker and can work his way around these underlying problems, need to wake up.

I'm not on the hype train with Klopp like others are. He's been getting away with stuff Rodgers got hammered for. Mediocre transfer business, massively inconsistent league form, choking in 2 cup finals, playing Milner out of position, sticking with the hapless Moreno as 1st choice LB, presiding over a still shaky defence and not buying a DM.

There are too many taken in by his charisma and personality, no matter what he does they'll forgive him because of how cool he supposedly looks in a GIF or Vine. Well gimme a Benitez who doesn't jump around like a meth patient on the sidelines any day. I'm not doubting he built a good Dortmund team but Klopp's success was in a mediocre league with only one good team in Bayern to overtake. Here, even bottom half teams can trip you up.

The challenge is much tougher and he's shown no clue how to break down smaller teams who defend deep and don't give the opposition any space.

Finally, to those who say "Leicester did it, why can't we ?" - get real. Leicester like stories are one in a million exceptions.
 
Markhor said:
Its not a bakwas city, its come on a long way from the Thatcher years but the rest I agree with. The reports last night about Chinese investment is probably too good to be true. FSG have grown us commercially and cleared the debts that Hicks and Gillette left but they do not have the financial resources to compete with Chelsea, United and City. Our net spend and wage bill every summer is far behind our rivals. Isn't it incredible we have a positive net spend this summer after a season when we finished 8th ?

Their ideology of "developing young players" instead of buying ready made players is nonsense given we sell our best young players anyway like Sterling. Whilst FSG are forever waiting for this project to come good, Chelsea, City and United are blazing ahead buying proven players leaving us forever playing catchup.

Their recruitment in key positions have been awful. The scouting network have consistently bought average players from average teams for bloated fees. When you buy players from the likes of Southampton every summer, its no surprise we're finishing around the same place as them.

But the fish rots from the head. Who on this board has any football credentials ? Ian Ayre is a lightweight CEO with no football credentials. Mike Gordon is a baseball man yet apparently is running day to day operations. Compare this to City who appointed Begiristain and Soriano from Barcelona who actually have a track record in football to speak of unlike the novices we have in charge.

Finally, please can fellow fans give me a break about the morality of Chinese ownership and their human rights record. We have American owners whose government launched an illegal war of Iraq based on false pretences and ran a secret torture programme. Hardly paragons of social responsibility.

There is no morality in football nowadays, nearly every top club has invited foreign ownership, becoming the playthings of billionaires and far removed from their local communities.
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] what do you think ?
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What can I say about Chelsea fans?

That Hysel disaster actually cost LFC 2 decades. But, the real damage was done during the HG period, when Rafa assembled a fantastic team, almost won the 2009 EPL, made couple of CL Finals (winning one), more importantly making CL SF for 4 consecutive years. That time, money was there (& that's club earned money, not Mafia money or Oil money), what Rafa needed was couple of marque signings, which he was denied.

After that, it had been gross level mistake at Managerial end.

First, we went for our history, which tells that the greatest LFC managers had been Brits (Shankley, Paiesly, Fagan, Dalglsih), so we tried with Woy, then KK & finally BRogers. This was the biggest mistake, why I can explain.

Football in EPL has changed in last 2 decades. World class Managers from mainland Europe/Latin America has come for money & they have brought the best ball players around. Besides, English grounds have improved several times from 80s - all these has resulted in a change in EPL football from 70s & 80s. Instead of that long ball hit & run game, EPL games are still fast & physical, but it's played on grass, played with lots of skills, played with shorter passes. British managers are obsolete these days.

Dalglish won 3 League titles with 2 teams, before he turned 40; could have been as great as Sir Alex, had he been in football, but he joined LFC after 2 decades of wilderness, by when the game changed. The British players that we bought with premium price (Carroll, Downing, Henderson, Adams, Lallana, Milner) could have been outstanding players of 70s/80s (similarly Dalglish, Keegan, Rush, Barnes, Toshack, Hansen, Souness, Nicol, Alrdidge, Lawrensen, Molby... would have been found out today), but they are obsolete in modern game - good for mid table, physical teams; just not technically & tactically good enough for highest level.

In 1958, out of 7 European teams, 4 were from British Isles - ENG, SCT, Wales & N. Ireland. In 1988, out of 7 qualifiers in EURO, 3 were from the Isles. THIS indicates, there was talent in British football - some of the best players were born & groomed in those tiny countries. Today, England is at best mid table, while the other doesn't exist in global football map - that indicates a massive blank in British football talents. In this era, it's a foolish idea to build a Club with a British back bone.

This is where LFC (Both HG & FSG) made massive, massive mistake. We hired obsolete British Managers, who has no identity, knowledge or pulling power outside UK, neither the global talents are interested to play under a nobody British Manager, playing hoofball. All this almost confined us to over pay for British players or EPL players. BRogers couldn't bring a single player outside his old clubs while Ian Ayre & Co. neer trusted players outside EPL (So Benteke was brought for 33mn & 140K/week).

In these days, no club can finish in top half, for which the back bone is British. Delayed by half a decade, but at last those football (soccer) ignorant Tanks have realised that. They have hired one of the best Managers, who has clean swept every English technical staff from Coaching team & now they are gradually cleaning British mess from the club. This summer, Klopp has bought 7 players - noe Brit & has off-loaded several, most of them young English prodigies (whose only credit is on the transfer market price table).

Klopp's hands are a bit tied for the mess BRogers & Ayre had done (still he has to off load Balotelli, Moreno, Henderson, Milner, Mignolet & many other fringe players - these are expensive howlers at high wage), for that he is unable to complete his squad. Besides, a managerial change in every alternate year hasn't helped the academy. It'll take a year or 2, but indeed we are moving in right directions. We have a good bunch of young players, there are few excellent academy boys & the Manager now has a vision. Winning EPL is a function of who is your owner, therefore that I don't see unless the Chinese or Arabs buy this club, but top 4 should be a regular finish for us from next year, if not this.
 
Markhor said:
Sorry for the rant but I'm very disillusioned right now. I think we're finished as a top tier club and too many fans, deluded by this notion that Klopp is gonna be a miracle worker and can work his way around these underlying problems, need to wake up.

I'm not on the hype train with Klopp like others are. He's been getting away with stuff Rodgers got hammered for. Mediocre transfer business, massively inconsistent league form, choking in 2 cup finals, playing Milner out of position, sticking with the hapless Moreno as 1st choice LB, presiding over a still shaky defence and not buying a DM.

There are too many taken in by his charisma and personality, no matter what he does they'll forgive him because of how cool he supposedly looks in a GIF or Vine. Well gimme a Benitez who doesn't jump around like a meth patient on the sidelines any day. I'm not doubting he built a good Dortmund team but Klopp's success was in a mediocre league with only one good team in Bayern to overtake. Here, even bottom half teams can trip you up.

The challenge is much tougher and he's shown no clue how to break down smaller teams who defend deep and don't give the opposition any space.

Finally, to those who say "Leicester did it, why can't we ?" - get real. Leicester like stories are one in a million exceptions.
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Klopp has now had two transfer windows, so he now has to deliver and deliver an assault on top 4 and a cup win. There has to be progress this season.
 
Disappointed in what we did in the transfer market. I see our net spending has been negative, not a good sign for a supposedly ambitious club. When other club's are normally making signing's on the last day we hardly do anything. Some LFC sites are suggesting the club could be sold soon.
 
Were on fire today against Leicester easily brushing them aside. The pace and movement at times was unbelievable to say the least. Firminho, Mane and Sturridge all looked a threat when the ball was played to them. Lallana was also impressive. We'll score a lot of goals this season, question is can we keep them out on our side?
 
Good start to the season with win's at Chelsea and Arsenal. Dominated the first half, in the second as expected Chelsea were better getting the equaliser that could easily had been avoided. That's the way we play now with attack minded intent leaving us somewhat vulnerable at the back.
 
Very good start for Liverpool.

7 points from away matches at Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal is superb.

Still cannot believe that Klopp didn't buy a left back though.
 
The squad seems a but below par. A few injuries will again see us struggle to find replacements. Net spending was negative, should have signed at least three more players. It's against the lesser sides that we struggle the most and that is where we need to improve.
 
Weak squad on paper but Klopp seems to be getting the best out of them. However, Liverpool will need to stop struggling against weaker opponents if they plan on finishing in the top 4.
 
Kopp is scaring me.
The front four -any of llalana mane coutinho firmino sturridge origi just look too much to handle sometimes
 
Gosha said:
Weak squad on paper but Klopp seems to be getting the best out of them. However, Liverpool will need to stop struggling against weaker opponents if they plan on finishing in the top 4.
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Okay we may not be Barcelona but to say are a "weak" squad is way off the mark. There are no superstars in the side like Suarez or Gerard but going forward we are lethal. In Sturridge, Mane, Coutinho, Firmino, Origi, and Lallana our attacking Football is as good as anyone else. At times we made Chelsea look like a pub side running circles around them. It's at the back that we seem to be vulnerable.
 
Looked good against Derby again easily taking care of them. Hopefully, Burnley was just a slip up. I like what Jurgen has done by getting rid of so much dead wood like Benteke, Balotelli and Alberto among others He's the best Liverpool manager since Dalglish's first tenure as manager. I think given time he will build a legacy. I much prefer his passion and brand of Football then that off Mourinho.
 
PakLFC said:
Looked good against Derby again easily taking care of them. Hopefully, Burnley was just a slip up. I like what Jurgen has done by getting rid of so much dead wood like Benteke, Balotelli and Alberto among others He's the best Liverpool manager since Dalglish's first tenure as manager. I think given time he will build a legacy. I much prefer his passion and brand of Football then that off Mourinho.
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I'm a United fan but I unfortunately agree with you. Klopp is now better than Jose and plays a more attractive style of football.
 
Don't care what we've done so far this season. We've played open, attacking sides which suits our style.

Real test is vs Hull this weekend, playing teams that park the bus and frustrate us by defending deep in numbers. The first time we played such team this season was vs Burnley and look how that turned out.
 
We will do well against anyone at home. It's the smaller teams that give us problem's especially when we are away from Anfield. Should defeats Hull easily at home tomorrow
 
As predicted above we hammered Hull City without blinking an eyelid. Away to such teams will be the acid test.
 
Liverpool could win the title this season. They look seriously dangerous, and alongside Spurs look like the few sides that could actually put a stop to the rampant Man City.

It's a sad state of affairs at Chelsea, normally I'd back them to do it. But I guess that what happens when you don't get rid of dead wood. Only problem I see now with Liverpool is if Milner get's injured as that would mean Moreno would have to return.
 
At 1-0 down I was fearing the worst as this is the kind of match we have been losing over the past seasons. Terrible marking for the first goal as well. In the second we came heard at them with pace and power. After the equalizer I was confident we'd win it although they should have made it all square in injury time. With no Europe we have a serious chance of being title contenders this season. Next is the big one against the Mancs two weeks on Monday.
 
Disappointed. Mourinho came to Anfield parking the bus in front of goal. We huffed and puffed without being able to blow down their wall. Missed Lallana in the first half, an opportunity missed for sure.
 
3 more points for Liverpool after defeating West Brom 2-1 at home. Should have won by a far greater margin but for some good goal keeping and defending by the opposition. It was crucial to get an opening goal as soon as possible otherwise the tension would have showed. We played some great stuff, much of the attacking was so fluent and good to watch. Coutinho is currently on fire setting up the first goal with a fine dummy and scoring the second with a good finish. Bad news is I hear Real Madrid and Barcelona are again sniffing around for one of our top boys, we have to find a way of keeping our best players if we're to challenge for the top trophies. Now it's Spurs in the cup on Tuesday. I am going for a 3-1 win for Liverpool.
 
Early signs look promising for Liverpool this season. With City not looking invincible anymore, this could be their best shot at the title since Slip-gate.
 
2-1 victory put us in the quarters. Don't know what Lucas was doing by hacking their player down giving away a penalty. After they scored we looked all at sea for a while, their keeper was the reason we did not score more. Daniel Sturridge was our star man today, he has to perform like this much more often.
 
The resurgence of the likes of Liverpool and Chelsea is vital for the Premier League. Great to see.

Now we just need MUFC back. :farhat
 
Muhammad10 said:
Sturridge had one of his on days today.
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Absolute selfish player, he is there only because of Home Grown quota, every team needs 8, Over 21 players of English origin (or groomed in English system for 4 years between age of 16 to 21, including 3 consecutive years). He is one of the highest earners & I have never seen him passing squire for the teammate running parallel. In Klopps system, we actually don't need a classical target man & this guy is absolute misfit for a team which plays interchanging forward line & has 11 different scorers in just 10th match of the season.

Today, we could have won it 8-1 without this guy taking selfish solo attempts.
 
MMHS said:
Absolute selfish player, he is there only because of Home Grown quota, every team needs 8, Over 21 players of English origin (or groomed in English system for 4 years between age of 16 to 21, including 3 consecutive years). He is one of the highest earners & I have never seen him passing squire for the teammate running parallel. In Klopps system, we actually don't need a classical target man & this guy is absolute misfit for a team which plays interchanging forward line & has 11 different scorers in just 10th match of the season.

Today, we could have won it 8-1 without this guy taking selfish solo attempts.
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Yes, he is quite a selfish player but with his individual quality, he's bound to come in handy at some point or the other for LFC, particularly if they're having injury issues (though he himself is rather injury prone).

Origi is a class player, though. Deserves to start regularly when fit. The number of attacking tools Klopp has at his disposal is quite frightening, but defence could prove to be their Achilles' heel amidst a title push.

City's inconsistency also gives me hope, as a Chelsea fan.
 
Front 3 are awesome Coutinho, Firminho and Mane.

Only problem is the defence.

However this could be the season for LFC....
 
Another awesome performance by the red's. The front three in Mane, Coutinho and Firminho look unplayable at times. Felt sorry for Watford, after the opener it was just a matter of time of how many we scored. What is impressive is how Klopp has the team playing his brand of Football so early and without any net spending during the summer. Where as Coutinho was again immense a word for Emre Can and Adam Lallana as well who have both flourished under Jurgen Klopp's attacking philosophy. Daniel Sturridge looks unhappy being on the bench most of the time, with his past injury problems I can understand why the manager may be reluctant to start him. January will be an interesting time when the transfer window reopens and Mane will be involved in the African's Cup giving Sturridge a look in. I would love to see him remain at Liverpool though it will be difficult for him to dislodge the top three at the moment. His chances are further enhanced with Danny Ings again being out for the rest of the season.
 
Saj said:
Front 3 are awesome Coutinho, Firminho and Mane.

Only problem is the defence.

However this could be the season for LFC....[/QUOTE]

Tere moon mein alloo parathay!!:ma
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In our last 4 league games we've scored 0, 2, 4 and 6 goals
Southampton got to be pretty nervous now
 
I expect us to brush the Saints aside. This could change if we are hit with major injuries during the international break. I hope none of our players start for England on Friday or for any of their countries.
 
If Steven Gerard if finished in America we should give him some role at Liverpool. In January we need to sign a proper left back. James Milner is being wasted there, either sell Moreno or find proper competition for him. Now, I am still unhappy with the goal keeping situation at the club as well, neither Simon Mignolet nor Loris Karius convince me at all. We should make a bid for Kasper Schmeichel, he like his Dad appears to be a very classy keeper who I've always been impressed with. Has EPL experience as well. Mr Kopp, I hope you're reading this!:narine
 
PakLFC said:
If Steven Gerard if finished in America we should give him some role at Liverpool. In January we need to sign a proper left back. James Milner is being wasted there, either sell Moreno or find proper competition for him. Now, I am still unhappy with the goal keeping situation at the club as well, neither Simon Mignolet nor Loris Karius convince me at all. We should make a bid for Kasper Schmeichel, he like his Dad appears to be a very classy keeper who I've always been impressed with. Has EPL experience as well. Mr Kopp, I hope you're reading this!:narine
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That's an understatement. Has EPL winning experience. Liverpool sure could use more of that. :kakmal
 
Two points dropped today for sure. Even though we were not at our fluent best should have won seeing how we dominated possession. Firminho should have scored for sure, no doubt about it. One thing Klopp must do is make changes earlier then he does. If Mane, Coutinho and Firminho are having an off day then bring on Sturridge and/or Origi after 60 not 80 minutes. We also missed the creativity of Adam Lallana in the middle of the park. If Chelsea win tomorrow they'll overtake us at the summit of the table.
 
Big blow to see Coutinho being carried off with an injured foot that could be the turning point in the our season. Sturridge also has a sore calf so wasn't on the bench suddenly leaving us with not very many options up front especially when Mane departs for the African's Cup. Firmino also limped off as well and Ings is already out for the season!. Good thing that the transfer window is opening in case we need to make some emergency additions to the squad. As for the match Sunderland defended well, I was seriously getting restless having not scored with some 15 mins left then Origi came up with that fantastic curler, this is what potential champions need to do when the going gets tough. Other chances were also created, Sunderland had one as well when our keeper came out to deny them. A late Milner penalty sealed it thanks to Mane's good work. I am anxiously waiting to hear how Sturridge, Firmino and in particular Coutinho's injuries are. With the Cup semi on Tuesday it is possible that many off them would have played if they were/are fit.
 
Coutinho is out at least until the mid of January. This means that Sturridge will most likely not be sold in the transfer window. It is his opportunity to seal his place in the side by scoring plenty of goals making it impossible for Klopp to leave him out. As big a blow Coutinho is we can't afford to dwell over it.
 
The victory against Sunderland was an important one. Origi definitely made an impact after coming on not only by scoring but his overall play was good as well. Not sure if his goal was supposed to be a cross or attempted shot. We dominated proceedings as expected but it is hard to break down a wall of eleven defensive players. We must not settle for draws even against lesser opposition even if we're a few goals down. Chasing the title we have to be proactive not reactive, we're in with a serious shout here. Have Leeds tomorrow in the cup.
 
Wonder if I'll revenge for the 1st ODI in June over [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] tomorrow :P
 
Dominated the 2nd half, and for the umpteenth time the past couple of seasons a goalkeeping error does us in.

Absolutely infuriating.
 
I think the match on the whole was a balanced one with both sides having periods of domination. It also has to be remembered that Liverpool were more or less playing their second string, this is not taking anything away from Leeds who did well. The first goal was always going to be crucial, thankfully again Origi came to the party proving how strong our options are up forward. No doubt, our keeper was the busier of the two yet I don't recall him having to make any outstanding saves.
 
Origi is quality. Probably good enough to start for most Premier League sides and deserves to be getting a decent amount of playing time at Liverpool, now that he's back to full fitness.
 
PakLFC said:
I think the match on the whole was a balanced one with both sides having periods of domination. It also has to be remembered that Liverpool were more or less playing their second string, this is not taking anything away from Leeds who did well. The first goal was always going to be crucial, thankfully again Origi came to the party proving how strong our options are up forward. No doubt, our keeper was the busier of the two yet I don't recall him having to make any outstanding saves.
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In fairness we didnt play a full strength team either.

Hernandez and Bridcutt injured, Wood benched, Jansson ill.

Decent effort, Leeds well pleased with the performance, sights on the play offs now and Villa Saturday.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
In fairness we didnt play a full strength team either.

Hernandez and Bridcutt injured, Wood benched, Jansson ill.

Decent effort, Leeds well pleased with the performance, sights on the play offs now and Villa Saturday.
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I wouldn't know what your full strength team is:)) Only watch the EPL and sometimes the La Liga. In the old days when Leeds were a top side I did enjoy our encounters with you. Hope you make it back to the top division one day.
 
We have Southampton in the semi. Would have preferred Hull after having difficulty with the Saints in the league match recently. A good chance that we'll see a Liverpool-Man Utd final.
 
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