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Was a slogger who only hit straight or blocked, never "power hit" the ball around the park.

Are you serious? LOL arguably one of the best finishers in not just Pakistan but in the world and you call him a slogger. Have you seen Razzaq bat and bowl in his prime? Did you start watching cricket in 2014? I don't even know what to say to you honestly :facepalm
 
Are you serious? LOL arguably one of the best finishers in not just Pakistan but in the world and you call him a slogger. Have you seen Razzaq bat and bowl in his prime? Did you start watching cricket in 2014? I don't even know what to say to you honestly :facepalm

Yes just started following cricket in 2014 as you say but time travelled back to 2001 and registered on PP to prove you wrong.

I did like watching Razzaq finish games for us but go back and watch his innings, his game plan was to hit straight or block tired bowlers on flat wickets. Genuine power hitters attack all sides of the wicket.
 
Need Imad at 6. Yamin is a good hitter as well. Both rely on conventional cricket shots to score quickly.
 
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Power hitters also need a good eye and to know their hitting zones and which bowlers to target.

Our power hitters haven't got the aforementioned attributes and instead lack quality and strategy.

Watch Chris Gayle, even he has a gameplan and hitting zones.

Looks like Gayle has completely lost the game plan in last 3 and a half year. I mean, why else would he average less than our power hitter with no brain or game plan? Not to mention 56 points lower S/R.

Of course prior to that time frame, Gayle was a great LOI player.

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By the way, what do you think about McCullum in last 3.5 years?
 
Looks like Gayle has completely lost the game plan in last 3 and a half year. I mean, why else would he average less than our power hitter with no brain or game plan? Not to mention 56 points lower S/R.

Of course prior to that time frame, Gayle was a great LOI player.

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By the way, what do you think about McCullum in last 3.5 years?

Age catches up with everyone. I think with Gayle fitness has been an issue. He plays a lot of dot balls and is hessitant to run but he has the remarkable ability to make up for it with his power hitting.
 
Anwar and Imad are good options in the SC.

It irks me so much when people classify Anwar "Crouching" Ali as a power-hitter. He has only played 1 fluke innings of substance and now he has become a power hitter. He's a crouching legside slogger and Yamin and even Gohar are better hitters than him. They play conventional shots and not doinky shots or cow-corner slogs.

We desperately need Yamin in the team and groom him for the England series. He should try and emulate Stokes (long way ahead) but he should be brought in instead of Anwar who has no potential and no room for improvement.
 
Blasphemy.

Don't you see we have power hitters in Anwar, Imad and Malik? The rock solid trio of our late order.

The good thing is all are excellent against pace bowling. No weakness particularly against the short ball, and know how to play on the off side.

Bro u forgot sarfraz, with him in there aswell. We are unstoppable.....:kakmal
 
Was a slogger who only hit straight or blocked, never "power hit" the ball around the park.

Razzaq was the best late order hitter of his time. How many batsmen have hit Mcgrath for 5 consecutive boundaries and that too in Australia when runs in Australia meant something. He scored a century in South Africa against a freak bowling attack of Donald, Pollock, and Ntini. He destroyed several good bowling attacks on his day. Calling him a slogger is an insult to his accomplishments.
 
Age catches up with everyone. I think with Gayle fitness has been an issue. He plays a lot of dot balls and is hessitant to run but he has the remarkable ability to make up for it with his power hitting.

According to Cricinfo he is 36 years of age. Much younger than a lot of players playing on the circuit. In 2012, when his decline started he was 33 years old. Players like Hussey started their career at when they were @30.
 
This question fits on our team! :facepalm:
We dont have any power hitters. We had dhoni, yuvi once but now dhoni is good but not that good he used to be and raina is also decent but cant say if i can term him as power hitter.

Cant say why you guys are worrying for! You have afridi! Also you have sarfaraz.
 
Anwar a power hitter? Based on what? the SL T20 fluke where he got peppered with legside full tosses. He's NOT a power hitter. He has one shot and he crouches like a duddoo against pacers. Yamin is 100 times better.

Based on the fact, he is strong and can muscle the ball, even if he prefers to hit it through the leg-side.

Yamin isn't a power hitter, so I don't know how he gets into the discussion.
 
Based on the fact, he is strong and can muscle the ball, even if he prefers to hit it through the leg-side.

Yamin isn't a power hitter, so I don't know how he gets into the discussion.

Clearly you have shown your cricketing prowess with this statement. There is no point of discussion.
 
Looks like Gayle has completely lost the game plan in last 3 and a half year. I mean, why else would he average less than our power hitter with no brain or game plan? Not to mention 56 points lower S/R.

Of course prior to that time frame, Gayle was a great LOI player.

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By the way, what do you think about McCullum in last 3.5 years?

I'm just shocked that you've managed a post without a dig at Misbah.
 
Looks like Gayle has completely lost the game plan in last 3 and a half year. I mean, why else would he average less than our power hitter with no brain or game plan? Not to mention 56 points lower S/R.

Of course prior to that time frame, Gayle was a great LOI player.

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By the way, what do you think about McCullum in last 3.5 years?

Those numbers by :afridi are ridiculous :gayle who?
 
This question fits on our team! :facepalm:
We dont have any power hitters. We had dhoni, yuvi once but now dhoni is good but not that good he used to be and raina is also decent but cant say if i can term him as power hitter.

Cant say why you guys are worrying for! You have afridi! Also you have sarfaraz.

Sarfaraz isn't a power hitter at all. That is the main problem with him.
 
Setting the game up for the last 10 overs without any power hitters in the team

Why do they keep doing it ??
Azhar needs to set the tone . This is laughable really . Keep consolidating in the middle overs and than are unable to slog against back of a length bowling .
All batsmen playing the same role . So annoying to watch .
It worked in the 90s because we had big hitters in the lower order now they are all the same sort of batsmen.
 
Pakistan NEED power hitters

Malik, Sarfraz, Imad, Nawaz are not great finishers. WE need guys who can hit big like Russell, Anderson, Butler, etc.

Aamir Yamin is one option. Any others?
 
That's why I've been saying that we need Rizwan and Aamer Yamin in there somewhere. Sarfraz, Imad, and Nawaz aren't good, powerful, clean hitters of the ball.
 
And that's justify why we are no. 9. Our selectors are not any better to one another except the appearance and style of talk. Our Test team has couple of passengers while our ODI team consists of half of passengers.
 
Selecting too many one dimensional batsmen up front. Sarfaraz and Malik are good against spin. Azhar is a grafter and Hafeez reliably rubbish outside Asia.
 
Like it or not only Umar Akmal can do this power hitting job decently in Pakistan.
 
Miss the days of Afridi and Razzaq coming at #7 and #8!

Watching Nawaz and Imad is torturous and makes me remember those days of mid 2000s
 
Azhar Ali was raising his bat to the crowd when he got out. That means he's proud of his innings, 80 runs at a SR of 74 is a joke.

Let's bring Fawad Alam into the side if that's the type of innings we need.
 
Nawaz is not a power hitter. Too many similar type players in the team.

Disappointed with Imad though, but he'll come good.

This is why when people say Afridi is blocking the way for youngsters in t20s you have to laugh. He's the only power hitter in the team other than Sharjeel.
 
Umar Akmal was a liability great he was kicked out. To move forward we have to give chance to a performing player ( Amad, sami, jahid, asad etc). Going back to failed players is like recycling garbage and expecting betterment.
 
But I think people are expecting too much from these 2 at this stage of the game. They're at 30 off 27. The entire batting order couldn't get it going today, so how are 2 guys suppose to salvage the innings and take us to a respectable total.

Azhar, Malik, Hafeez, Sharjeel. It's a collective failure.
 
The only innovation they have is move out of the leg stump even before the bowler starts running :asif
 
Awful lower order. Malik, Nawaz and Imad are duds against pace. Miss Razzaq. Need to play Yamin in the lower order
 
Lol they got the duckworth lewis score . About 8 overs too late .
Terrible batting .
Every left hander in the country is a leg side hack .
 
But I think people are expecting too much from these 2 at this stage of the game. They're at 30 off 27. The entire batting order couldn't get it going today, so how are 2 guys suppose to salvage the innings and take us to a respectable total.

Azhar, Malik, Hafeez, Sharjeel. It's a collective failure.

Incorrect - at the end, you expect your late order batsmen to power hit and get you at least 80-90 runs in the last 10 overs. These lot have fallen short by 20-30 runs.
 
Rubbish lower order. Nawaz, Imad, Malik, Sarfraz (good player but not a good hitter) are so bad at hitting against pace..
 
We need better lower order batsmen than Imad, Nawaz and TTF Malik. Partnership between Imad and Nawaz was torturous.
 
This approach is the exact reason we are hopelessly poor in odi's. Batsmen not accelerating up front and leaving to dashers in the end
 
Rubbish lower order. Nawaz, Imad, Malik, Sarfraz (good player but not a good hitter) are so bad at hitting against pace..

Sarfraz SR was the highest there and also the best player against pacers. He doesn't need to hit every ball for a boundary either.

I just don't get the hate he gets :facepalm:
 
I actually miss Sohail & Nazir more (anyone & any team would miss Saeed, so that's not a bench mark).
 
Too many similar type of players in XI Hafeez,Azhar,Malik,Nawaz all are same need to bring players at down the order who can clear ropes with ease
 
Sarfraz is ok . Rotates the strike very well and is excellent against spin so can stop a middle order collapse .
The problem is almost everyone is a sarfraz in this team .
Teams keep bowling back of a length to pakistan and keep getting away with it at the death.
 
The number of times these two guys performed consistently is indeed a few days. As said above, we miss consistent aggressive openers
 
We had a very good lower order of Razzaq at 6, Kamran at 7 and Afridi at 8 at one point in the 2000s in ODIs. You'd fancy your chances 180-4 would be converted to 270-280.

Now there's no point "laying a platform" in the first 40 overs if the lower order lacks firepower in the last ten.
 
Incorrect - at the end, you expect your late order batsmen to power hit and get you at least 80-90 runs in the last 10 overs. These lot have fallen short by 20-30 runs.

As I said, Nawaz is not a power hitter.

And that strategy doesn't work anymore, this is isn't the late 90s. Where you go at a snail's pace for 40 overs and dump all the responsibility on your 7 and 8 to go at 10 rpo and give you a score.

As Nasser Hussain said, you have to go hard from start to finish of the innings these days. India, England, Australia all these teams keep up a similar scoring rate throughout the innings.

It's no different than chasing 300 and your top 6 plays a pathetic innings each to let the asking rate to triple leaving the #7 and #8 with too much to do.
 
But I think people are expecting too much from these 2 at this stage of the game. They're at 30 off 27. The entire batting order couldn't get it going today, so how are 2 guys suppose to salvage the innings and take us to a respectable total.

Azhar, Malik, Hafeez, Sharjeel. It's a collective failure.

Expecting too much??? Role of lower order batsmen in ODIs has changed drastically in last 5-6 years... Look at any modern batting unit and you will know what I mean..
 
Guys like Rizwan and Akmal would have been handy here but the problem is they are not All-rounders yet the likes of Akmal are not good enough to make the side as batsmen.

We need All-rounders like Corey Anderson, Maxwell etc.
 
I think we need to lower expectations Its a young team and pretty inexperienced We arent going to find the likes of a peak razzaq overnight

The like of imad and nawaz need a bit of time In the meantime we should be looking at getting rid of malik and hafeez
 
We had a very good lower order of Razzaq at 6, Kamran at 7 and Afridi at 8 at one point in the 2000s in ODIs. You'd fancy your chances 180-4 would be converted to 270-280.

Now there's no point "laying a platform" in the first 40 overs if the lower order lacks firepower in the last ten.
Wel that's not really true and seems a case of nostalgia.

But what they did so was as a combination they could contribute an average of 20-25runs each at a 120 SR. So sth like 70 off 40 balls. And since totals were lower in those days that was the difference

Like today instead of 260 it could have been a 290 which was match winning

But they did have MoYo, Inzi, YK and a good Malik batting above them
 
We need to give time and confidence to these guys
they will produce those magic innings once they are settle.

On topic Afridi was hit and miss
But you can 8 out of 10 expect Razzaq score almost 100 in last 10 overs
 
Razzaq was a gem . Mehmood could hit pacers too . Its appalling how teams get away bowling back of a length stuff to our batters .
Such weak hitters with poor timings .
Plus everysingle one is a leg side hack.
 
Akmal is another player who is a genuine power hitter. Hope to see him soon in the team.

I would rather have an unruly batsman who can hit pacers over mid on for six than a well behaved gentleman in the team who cant clear the inner circle if his life depended on it
 
Pakistan's Innings today had 0 sixes during the course of 50 Overs!!!

We seriously need power hitters and fast even West Indies might beat us in UAE in ODI's and we will likely have to play qualifiers for the World Cup.
Discuss
 
Razzaq was a brilliant lower-order batsman. He formed an explosive lower-order with Moin, Wasim Akram, etc....

However, how effective was Afridi truly as lower order batsman?
 
Sharjeel should come in at 6, Nawaz should open & Hafeez should play at 4.
 
We seriously need power hitters and fast even West Indies might beat us in UAE in ODI's and we will likely have to play qualifiers for the World Cup.
Discuss

with all due respect what is there to discuss? we don't have dynamic players in the country. We either have hacks or we have tuk tukers.... choose your pick. the Closest things to a dynamic player is Umar Akmal and there's not much more that needs to be said about him.
 
Need more firepower in the line up. Boring boring Pakistan!

The likes of Hafeez, Malik and Azhar are the reason why we are 9th in the world. Such outdated approach players.

I would much rather have Umar Akmal in there, failing but still he is better than these guys.

Push up this Nawaz lad, Babar at 3. And I think Bismillah karke Bismillah ko chance do! Can we not just score 260 on a pancake for once?
 
Sarfraz SR was the highest there and also the best player against pacers. He doesn't need to hit every ball for a boundary either.

I just don't get the hate he gets :facepalm:

Not hating. Very good knock today just needs to improve his hitting ability against pace. Even you will agree
 
Guys like Rizwan and Akmal would have been handy here but the problem is they are not All-rounders yet the likes of Akmal are not good enough to make the side as batsmen.

We need All-rounders like Corey Anderson, Maxwell etc.

please... rizwan is no better than nawaz when it comes to power hitting.. the delusion on this forum is unreal.
 
Imad wasim and m nawaz were touted to be all rounders....m nawaz doesn't look like he knows hitting and imad wasim doesn't look like he knows batting
 
Nasser Hussain and Nick Knight rightly criticising Pakistan's defensive strategy with Nasser describing it as 10 years out of date. Something we have been saying for some time.

One thing though, I wouldn't blame the lack of power hitting down the order, it's not easy when you have good death bowlers coming in charged up and I thought Imad and Nawaz did as well as could be expected. I think we missed a trick when the top order didn't get after Moeen and Root, while they batted steadily enough you could see they were setting themselves for around 270, and these days that just isn't good enough on a great batting track.
 
Afridi won us countless matches, you dont have to hate him just because its trendy and he's not young

On merit he could make the team as a spinner ahead of Nawaz and Imad..and as a slogger ahead of Imad and as a fielder ahead of almost half the team

He has the abilty to run through sides when he gets the drift going and despite being horribly inconsistent he could give you those quick fire 30s and 40 s thats makes hell of a difference

At least with him we wont be seeing 4 singles of last over..with 4 wickets in hand..PATHETIC
 
Wel that's not really true and seems a case of nostalgia.

But what they did so was as a combination they could contribute an average of 20-25runs each at a 120 SR. So sth like 70 off 40 balls. And since totals were lower in those days that was the difference

Like today instead of 260 it could have been a 290 which was match winning

But they did have MoYo, Inzi, YK and a good Malik batting above them

I didn't say they'd do it consistently, but that you'd fancy your chances much more than a lower order of Malik (who can't hit any top 8 side's pacer), Nawaz and Imad.

Maybe Amir Yamin can be a Razzaq-lite type hitter.
 
Not hating. Very good knock today just needs to improve his hitting ability against pace. Even you will agree

You don't need to be hitting to have a SR of high 90s. That's what the other players have be picked. That innings he played today was what Pakistan needed. Babar isn't a big hitter either but he can rotate the strike, just as Sarfraz.

Sarfraz is better up the order. Pakistan's lack of hitters at the end negates he natural game. You have Malik and the supposed two "all-rounders" in Nawaz and Imad there too. But they've not established themselves enough.
 
We have a team full of 8 excellent batsmen. Play these lads in Tests even and you'll have a shot at 400 more often than not.

However, we badly need a hitter in there.

Reckon Malik/Hafeez, if they flop every single game of this series, will be under fire, though I back Hafeez to come good still. Best strokemaker in the side, alongside Babar. If he can get his bowling back, one of Imad/Nawaz can go out for an Umar Akmal (IF he fixes his issues), a Rizwan, or a Yamin.
 
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