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Looking for the Pakistan hitting power in ODIs

As I said, Nawaz is not a power hitter.

And that strategy doesn't work anymore, this is isn't the late 90s. Where you go at a snail's pace for 40 overs and dump all the responsibility on your 7 and 8 to go at 10 rpo and give you a score.

As Nasser Hussain said, you have to go hard from start to finish of the innings these days. India, England, Australia all these teams keep up a similar scoring rate throughout the innings.

It's no different than chasing 300 and your top 6 plays a pathetic innings each to let the asking rate to triple leaving the #7 and #8 with too much to do.

Yes, I agree if we could have a complete reconstruction of the team and batting strategy, I totally am with you. However, the fact is that we are in the middle of an ODI series right now and we can't send 6 explosive and dynamic batsmen from Pakistan right now because a) the squad was announced over a week ago and b) we don't have 6 good ODI batsmen in Pakistan. So, we have to live with reality and yes, the reality is that even if you're Australia, you still want to get 100 runs in the last 10 overs and to get those your batsmen need to be able to hit 6s, unfortunately ours can't.

Yes, our main batting did fail to kick on but in the last 10 overs, you still expect to get at least 80 runs considering what the other top sides tend to get.
 
Bring Yamin for gods sake... What does it take for this guy to get a game...:facepalm:

I know right! :facepalm:

The guy scored an amazing 63 against Zimbabwe and yet he was dropped for no reason. Same thing was done to Sami and Zafar. Why do we keep doing this!
 
It should be
6. Amir Yamin
7. Hasan Mohsin
8. Amad Butt
9. Hasan Ali
This would add fire to our batting line up. Lets say we were 180/4 after 35, we could convert that into 320/7, with these pinch hitters!
 
Sarfraz SR was the highest there and also the best player against pacers. He doesn't need to hit every ball for a boundary either.

I just don't get the hate he gets :facepalm:

I'm not taking away anything from Sarfraz, but Babar Azam was probably the best player out there today against pace, and spin. Babar Azam SR was actually 95.23 and Sarfraz's SR was 94.82. So practiacally the same but Babar got an unlucky dismissal he wasn't actually out.
 
I'm not taking away anything from Sarfraz, but Babar Azam was probably the best player out there today against pace, and spin. Babar Azam SR was actually 95.23 and Sarfraz's SR was 94.82. So practiacally the same but Babar got an unlucky dismissal he wasn't actually out.

Both played well. Yet Sarfraz is likened to the likes of Malik/Hafeez/Azhar which is ridiculous.
 
Apart from Sharjeel are Gul and Wahab our only six hitters?

I think we missed a trick by not pushing one of these up after Malik got out.

They are very capable of slogging.

OK not easy v 90mph bowling but we have to use our resources wisely.
 
Wahab is an absolute chicken with the bat, really regressed as a batsman recently.
 
They can but only when facing a bowling machine!
I hope u understand the what I am trying to say
We need more
 
I feel Imad, Nawaz, Malik, Sarfaraz are our big hitters aswell. But I get your point where we need an aggressive low order hitter at say No.6 like Razzaq use to.
 
I feel Imad, Nawaz, Malik, Sarfaraz are our big hitters aswell. But I get your point where we need an aggressive low order hitter at say No.6 like Razzaq use to.

Imad cant even hit, nevermind hitting big

He could not connect a full toss yesterday in the final over. Was already in position to flick it over the keeper got the ball on the full and messed it up still
 
We have a team full of 8 excellent batsmen. Play these lads in Tests even and you'll have a shot at 400 more often than not.

However, we badly need a hitter in there.

Reckon Malik/Hafeez, if they flop every single game of this series, will be under fire, though I back Hafeez to come good still. Best strokemaker in the side, alongside Babar. If he can get his bowling back, one of Imad/Nawaz can go out for an Umar Akmal (IF he fixes his issues), a Rizwan, or a Yamin.

Agree with u bro. What about hammad Azam?
If old hafeez gets back with the ball then we don't need too many overs from hammad or yamin and can give them the late impetus role.

For the next game I would get wahab/Gul in at the 25 over mark and just tell him to swing from ball 1 off the spinners. Whoever out of the 2 can pick rashid.
Need to do something outside the box to counterbalance here.
At the least if will force the fast bowlers back on, then we get to face the spin overs later and England have to change their plan a bit (especially as stokes is out)
 
Agree with u bro. What about hammad Azam?
If old hafeez gets back with the ball then we don't need too many overs from hammad or yamin and can give them the late impetus role.

For the next game I would get wahab/Gul in at the 25 over mark and just tell him to swing from ball 1 off the spinners. Whoever out of the 2 can pick rashid.
Need to do something outside the box to counterbalance here.
At the least if will force the fast bowlers back on, then we get to face the spin overs later and England have to change their plan a bit (especially as stokes is out)

Hammad is off the radar, and the blame partially goes to him for not cashing in on the (albeit limited) opportunities.

He'll just have to keep putting in the hard yards, unfortunately, as Amad & Yamin are higher in the pecking order.
 
It should be
6. Amir Yamin
7. Hasan Mohsin
8. Amad Butt
9. Hasan Ali
This would add fire to our batting line up. Lets say we were 180/4 after 35, we could convert that into 320/7, with these pinch hitters!
Hasan Mohsin 120KPH thunderbolts will scare the life out of any batsman.
 
Hasan Mohsin 120KPH thunderbolts will scare the life out of any batsman.

At least he can swing the bowl and he's more of a 130KPH bowler. He's only 18 he can still get faster. He also has power hitting ability down the order.

Who do you have in mind?
 
At least he can swing the bowl and he's more of a 130KPH bowler. He's only 18 he can still get faster. He also has power hitting ability down the order.

Who do you have in mind?

Lol, I don't know where you have seen him bowl 130KPH. At 120KPH swing is harmless to a batsman of international calibre. Has a terrible technique, the only way if ever he makes it to the Pakistan Team would be as a pure batsman.
 
Lol, I don't know where you have seen him bowl 130KPH. At 120KPH swing is harmless to a batsman of international calibre. Has a terrible technique, the only way if ever he makes it to the Pakistan Team would be as a pure batsman.

So who do you think should be our all-rounder at 7?
 
Look at the comments of ppers....almost 100% ppers has different teams of almost 60-80% different players in their combinations...
 
Asad Shafiq, Fawad Alam, Azhar Ali, Haris Sohail, Saad Nasim and Sami Aslam.

Names that aren't going to scare too many opposition bowlers are they?

Collectively and individually where are the big hits going to come from? There seems to be a lot of similarity amongst the batsmen picked for the one day series against Bangladesh.

Maqsood can hit big and we know it.

Yes - he is in poor form but I would take him over Imad Wasim anyday (whose bowling is ineffective anyway).

Maqsood could thrive at the number 5 or 6 position and may be ever further up the order we get off to a good start and have wickets in hand.
 
Hammad is off the radar, and the blame partially goes to him for not cashing in on the (albeit limited) opportunities.

He'll just have to keep putting in the hard yards, unfortunately, as Amad & Yamin are higher in the pecking order.

But in terms of what we need I think hammad fits the specification better.
Hafeez and number 9-11 to bowl 40 overs.
Then Nawaz and one more to be 5th bowler. So hammad would only be required to bowl a few overs.
And he is more likely than Yamin to come in at 7 or 8 situation depending and go from the off in terms off power hitting.
Yamin is a more cultured bat isn't he?
 
If we are only looking for 25 30 quick runs then bring akmal at number 7.

That's the problem. We can't justify a pure batsman at 7. He can replace Malik at 6 but he will have to be more consistent. No more getting out playing an ugly slog when the team requires him to bat responsibly.

Even though he is a much better player than Malik the way he plays he will never be able to stay in the team. His manner and timing of dismissals is absolutely infuriating for the captain, selectors and spectators. And to top it off his average in the last couple of years has been in the 20s.
 
Amir Yamin played 2 balls today. Smashed Tanvir for a six off his first then played him for a single off the next. Hope he gets a chance to come in with 5-6 overs remaining in the next game.
 
That's the problem. We can't justify a pure batsman at 7. He can replace Malik at 6 but he will have to be more consistent. No more getting out playing an ugly slog when the team requires him to bat responsibly.

Even though he is a much better player than Malik the way he plays he will never be able to stay in the team. His manner and timing of dismissals is absolutely infuriating for the captain, selectors and spectators. And to top it off his average in the last couple of years has been in the 20s.

Yah he is only good for 25 39 good runs but the issue is no power striker is better than 25 30 anyway. The issue is playing too many batsmen who can't do jack in the end. 200/4 , you would feel that you can add at least an 80 in the last 10 overs buy no , despite not losing many wickets we end up with 60 runs only. Even nawaz is a number 5 batsman who finds it hard to hit big shots. So number 7 8 who can hit the ball big and turn their arm around for 5 6 overs.

But the thing here is that we are obsessed with all rounders at the moment that we are hiring anyone who claims to be an all rounder. Let's use the resources at our disposal , why isn't azhar bowling much and why shoaib malik isn't trusted with the ball much ? I am pretty sure that these guys can bowl 10 overs (5 Malik



Amir
Gul/ whoever
Wahan/hasan
1 all rounder (yamin , nawaz or whoever)

Babar azam can bowl a few as well.

Azhar
Sharjeel
Hafeez
Babar
Malik
Sarfraz
Akmal/maqsood/ or any other big hitter from the domestic.


Or we can find even better control if yamin/butt are big hitters , gives us a lot of bowling options as well. But if they are not able to accelerate down the order then really their is no.use of plating all rounders who can't hit the ball at number 7.
 
The delay of hafeez bowling test is really annoying , that could have given a much needed balance.
 
I think people are missing the point here Its great to have hitters down the order who can propel an innings but we dont seem to have any

We must make do with what we have and that means players 1-6 taking responsibility from ball one to go at a strike rate of 100

No more 50 from 80 balls, Its a change of mindset pakistan needs not personel
 
All thats needed from the other day is azhar to show some urgency from ball one

If he rotated the strike a bit better and consumed fewer dot balls and if the lower order had played intelligently instead of trying to smash everything out of the ground 320 wouldve been achievable

Yes that wouldv been a 50-50 score against this engaland team but way better than the 260 we served up which was going to be no challenge
 
I think regardless of what the score that Pakistan put on was, the bowling was still atrocious, England were on for 400 if the rain hadn't arrived and if they had batted first.
 
Yah he is only good for 25 39 good runs but the issue is no power striker is better than 25 30 anyway. The issue is playing too many batsmen who can't do jack in the end. 200/4 , you would feel that you can add at least an 80 in the last 10 overs buy no , despite not losing many wickets we end up with 60 runs only. Even nawaz is a number 5 batsman who finds it hard to hit big shots. So number 7 8 who can hit the ball big and turn their arm around for 5 6 overs.

But the thing here is that we are obsessed with all rounders at the moment that we are hiring anyone who claims to be an all rounder. Let's use the resources at our disposal , why isn't azhar bowling much and why shoaib malik isn't trusted with the ball much ? I am pretty sure that these guys can bowl 10 overs (5 Malik



Amir
Gul/ whoever
Wahan/hasan
1 all rounder (yamin , nawaz or whoever)

Babar azam can bowl a few as well.

Azhar
Sharjeel
Hafeez
Babar
Malik
Sarfraz
Akmal/maqsood/ or any other big hitter from the domestic.


Or we can find even better control if yamin/butt are big hitters , gives us a lot of bowling options as well. But if they are not able to accelerate down the order then really their is no.use of plating all rounders who can't hit the ball at number 7.

The problem that I see with having Azhar and Malik bowl more is that our bowling becomes significantly weaker. Even with this setup our score will be below par due to the weak/slow top and middle order and your bowling has to be as strong as possible to pull off defending such totals or restricting the opposition.

Even if we had Akmal at 7 we would have at most scored 280, had Azhar played better we may have even gotten 290-300. 300 is par on a flat pitch. Do you really think we could have defended 290-300 on this pitch especially with Azhar and Malik making up the 5th bowler?

Which is why we are dependent on All-rounders. We need guys who will strengthen our batting without weakening our bowling too much.
 
The problem that I see with having Azhar and Malik bowl more is that our bowling becomes significantly weaker. Even with this setup our score will be below par due to the weak/slow top and middle order and your bowling has to be as strong as possible to pull off defending such totals or restricting the opposition.

Even if we had Akmal at 7 we would have at most scored 280, had Azhar played better we may have even gotten 290-300. 300 is par on a flat pitch. Do you really think we could have defended 290-300 on this pitch especially with Azhar and Malik making up the 5th bowler?

Which is why we are dependent on All-rounders. We need guys who will strengthen our batting without weakening our bowling too much.

Bowlers will go for runs , most of the pitches for odis these days are flat. LAst time azhar bowled in an odi he had a pretty good outing. 37/2 in 7 overs and in his last 4 bowling innings he has 4 wickets against teams like NZ and England. 18 overs 91 runs and 4 wickets , when you have something like that at your disposal and you go around talking that we need more all rounders, Use the resources at your disposal first. Get 10-12 overs out of malik and azhar and add strikers .. even with slow allrounders at the bottom we will not be able to defend 280-290... yah but with some firepower we might soon be able to get scores regularly in excess of 320 and thats the dream.
 
Actually it is a worrying sign, even in our domestic Ammad and Yaamin seems to be good power hitter and AR.

Unfortunately, our great selectors dont even consider them good for A tours.

Because, Bilawal Bhatti is better than all :))
 
Bowlers will go for runs , most of the pitches for odis these days are flat. LAst time azhar bowled in an odi he had a pretty good outing. 37/2 in 7 overs and in his last 4 bowling innings he has 4 wickets against teams like NZ and England. 18 overs 91 runs and 4 wickets , when you have something like that at your disposal and you go around talking that we need more all rounders, Use the resources at your disposal first. Get 10-12 overs out of malik and azhar and add strikers .. even with slow allrounders at the bottom we will not be able to defend 280-290... yah but with some firepower we might soon be able to get scores regularly in excess of 320 and thats the dream.

That right there is the case. Right now it's a dream. We need quick players at the top, firepower at the end and hard hitting all-rounders to bat deep. Right now we lack all three things.

Umar Akmal can provide some firepower in the lower middle order but he is one batsman and a very inconsistent one at that.

We can hope Amir Yamin turns out to be the all-rounder we dream of.

One gamble we can try is Umar Akmal as opener or number 3. If it works out we may have ourselves a good top order batsman.
 
But in terms of what we need I think hammad fits the specification better.
Hafeez and number 9-11 to bowl 40 overs.
Then Nawaz and one more to be 5th bowler. So hammad would only be required to bowl a few overs.
And he is more likely than Yamin to come in at 7 or 8 situation depending and go from the off in terms off power hitting.
Yamin is a more cultured bat isn't he?

Yeah, Yamin can be considered a proper/reliable bat who can also hit big.
 
Saw some of Nasir Jamshed in the current T20 tournament, He looks pretty big (in a good way). He could be used but considering the world cup fiasco I think his career internationally is finished.
 
Your number 7 cannot bat at 60 strike rate!

Imad Wasim barely touching 80 strike rate after those boundaries at the end.
 
Where have our power hitters gone?

We used to be blessed by natural clean hitters ... Imran, Wasim, Inzi, Anwar, Razzaq, Azhur Mahmoud, moin & latif but we don't seem to have anyone apart from Sharjeel on a good day now that can really take on the opponents and intimidate the bowling.
If u look at England there have - at least 5-6 in their current ODI team . It's the same with all top teams . There s a lot of focus on the bowling right now but our batting line up has to be one of the most impotent in our ODI history.

Hameed azam is one guy I think is a clean hitter - good puller and cutter also. Yet we ve ignored him .
Why have these sort of hitters dried up in Pakistan?
Until we sort this out I can't see how we are going to start winning ODI matches again.
We can be critical with our bowlers but they seemed to be stuck between two stools right now: to conserve runs & take wickets. Field placings reflect this confusion and this is down to the consistently average scores put up by the batsmen .
Imagine , Amir wahab & yasir win a good total behind them - a different ball game
 
Pakistan lacking MASTER BLASTER

Pakistan seems to be lacking someone who comes in for the last 10 overs and scores a 50 from 20 - 30 odd balls.

I know Afridi is gone past his best but someone like that or Umar Akmal
 
I have been seeing Pakistan play ODI's especially since 2010 where we have been stuck in the UAE and every opposition side from Australia, South Africa, England, New Zealand and now even West Indies know full well that just take the pace of the ball against the Pakistani batsmen at the death and that is all that is needed.

The fact that the players and coaching staff have still done nothing to address this problem is just pathetic.
 
We should bring back Hammad Azam and persist with him, the only big hitting all rounder in our domestic cricket, Fahim Ashraf has potential as well.

Ifitkhar Ahmed and Musadiq Ahmed are also good hitters of the ball, but the selectors keep on recycling TTFs like Akmal.
 
Umar Akmal and Khalid Latif should be in the side instead of Azhar and Rizwan. I know Azhar scored a century today, but just pack the side with hitters and you stand a far better chance of converting these scores into what they should be. Too many in the current side are capable of slowing down the innings for no good reason.
 
Shoaib Malik at 6, Sarfraz at 5 can improve current death overs strike rate

Sarfraz is not a last 10 over player by any means. His job should be to rotate strike and nth else.
Malik can hit really well, why not he come in during the last overs?
Another option is to play Akmal in place of Rizwan because the shot he played today and got himself out is miserable to watch.
 
Hopefully Arthur would've learn a lesson that you can't have too many one dimensional players from 4 to 7.

Bashing Sarfu is not the resolution. He just doesn't possess fire power in this game. He's not a player who can come and start slogging from ball one. He should be used as floater, who should be send if 20 odd over are left (around 30 overs mark) and not when you've only 10 are left.

Arthur should've changed batting order after Malik's wicket. Either Rizwan or Imad should've come. In ideal world - to accelerate chota akmal should be part of playing XI and given the license to charge.
 
Sarfraz, Imad and Rizwan are pathetic ODI players (late order).

Only Sarfraz deserves a place in the side THAT TOO when he's NOT batting late, or in the final few overs.

He can tuk tuk and nudge the ball for singles/doubles, but CANNOT accelerate.
 
We should bring back Hammad Azam and persist with him, the only big hitting all rounder in our domestic cricket, Fahim Ashraf has potential as well.

Ifitkhar Ahmed and Musadiq Ahmed are also good hitters of the ball, but the selectors keep on recycling TTFs like Akmal.

LOL at Hammad! On basis of what
 
Sarfraz, Imad and Rizwan are pathetic ODI players (late order).

Only Sarfraz deserves a place in the side THAT TOO when he's NOT batting late, or in the final few overs.

He can tuk tuk and nudge the ball for singles/doubles, but CANNOT accelerate.

Wasn't his SR near 150 in the second ODI? He can easily strike at 100+ which is good enough.
 
We should bring in Hammad as he is a big hitter and under mickey he will develop further. This will be my odi squad for Australia tour:

1. Azhar Ali
2. Sharjeel Khan
3. Babar Azam
4. U Akmal
5. Sarfaraz
6. Hammad Azam
7. Imad Wasim
8. Aamer Yamin
9. Amir
10. Wahab Riaz
11. Hassan Ali

12. Nawaz
13. Sohail Khan
14. Ehsan Adil
15. Asad Shafiq
16. Malik
 
Batsman who can finish off an innings...

Ok guys, you saw what happened today....So is there any batsman in the domestic level who can score at a healthy run rate and finish off an innings ?
 
The real problem here is Asad. If he goes out we can move everyone a spot up and bring someone like khalid magic or shahzaib hasan at 6 (don't rate both of them much but they are good hitters.) Asad is just a waste of space in ODIs. Umar can also finish well when set which is why he should bat at 4.
 
URGENT need of a pinch hitter

Today is the prime example of why we are struggling in LOI!!

210 after 40overs and we jus creep over 260. Other teams will be posting 300+ from that position 9/10 times.

Shajeel
Azhar / Sarfaraz
Babar
Hafeez
Malik
Umar (wk if Sarfaraz not picked)
PINCH HITTER
Imad
Amir
Junaid
Hasan

But the question is who is available in the domestic cricket to come out and slog and clear the boundaries.
I'm not saying awais zia is the player for this role but we need someone like him or even like Shajeel to come in at 7.

Any suggestion?
 
Sharjeel
Hafeez (I don't want him in the team but he's better than Azhar. Would rather have Umar open)
Babar
Umar
Malik
Sarfraz
Shahzaib/Khalid
Imad
 
The real problem here is Asad. If he goes out we can move everyone a spot up and bring someone like khalid magic or shahzaib hasan at 6 (don't rate both of them much but they are good hitters.) Asad is just a waste of space in ODIs. Umar can also finish well when set which is why he should bat at 4.

Lol I meant Khalid latif* damn autocorrect
 
There are power hitters and there are clean hitters.

Should not get lost in the power hitting hype and field hacks down the order who will invariably be found at the highest level. Key is to find clean hitters. Yuvraj is someone who was a clean hitter of the ball. Sharjeel is someone in the Pak team who is a clean hitter of the ball. Don't see anyone else fitting the role of a clean hitter other than Sharjeel.

The likes of Khalid Latif are hacks.
 
How good is Amir Yameen with hitting can he hit a long distance ?? any body knows about him more? in internationals have not seen him much
 
Lets put Hafeez at 7 until we find one hard hitting all rounder

Hafeez have all the shorts and can clear boundaries have lap short and good down the ground i guess he can adapt to a finisher, but for all this he have to get rid of ego
 
Lets put Hafeez at 7 until we find one hard hitting all rounder

Hafeez have all the shorts and can clear boundaries have lap short and good down the ground i guess he can adapt to a finisher, but for all this he have to get rid of ego

There is one problem with this statement. Hafeez has ego.
 
There are power hitters and there are clean hitters.

Should not get lost in the power hitting hype and field hacks down the order who will invariably be found at the highest level. Key is to find clean hitters. Yuvraj is someone who was a clean hitter of the ball. Sharjeel is someone in the Pak team who is a clean hitter of the ball. Don't see anyone else fitting the role of a clean hitter other than Sharjeel.

The likes of Khalid Latif are hacks.

Latif is a clean hitter of spin but limited against pace.
 
Open with Sharjeel and Khalid Latif. Drop Asad and bring in Khalid Latif.

If the gamble pays off you will have an excellent opening partnership with rollicking strike rate.
 
Another idea would be to have strength and conditioning camps to shore the hitting ability of players.
 
with this situation pakistan shud have PSL two times in a year.. or otherwise increase the matches and teams in PSL
 
Actually Haris Sohail at 6, Hammad at 7 and Imad at 8 is the best shot you have at having a decent finishing lineup. You could try Kamran Ghulam or Aamir Yamin too but in my view these are the only guys capable.
 
why cant management try umar akmal as an opener with sharjeel? if you look at his dismisals you,ll see he gets caught outside the circle so why not give him first 10 overs to free his hands? Imagine him and sharjeel both get to play together their shots? micky should give this combo a go.
 
Does anyone know of a pinch hitter in Pakistani domestics I really want to know
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] do you know of anyone?
 
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Does anyone know of a pinch hitter in Pakistani domestics I really want to know
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] do you know of anyone?

There is no such thing as a pinch hitter anymore. Modern bastman should be able to to play those strokes, Kholi, deVilliers, Smith, Warner, Eoin Morgan, de Kock are not ponch hitters.
 
I don't think it will happen but I like the look of this lineup it looks like a modern batting lineup

1. Sharjeel Khan
2. U Akmal
3. Babar Azam
4. Sarfaraz
5. Maqsood
6. Khalid Latif
7. Imad Wasim
 
You're right but the thing is that for us the platform was so beautifully set to get 300

That's true. Had Imad and Umar batted through 50, we would've reached it but their wickets in succession cost us. Imad trying to muscle the ball like an idiot when he's a timer of the ball and Umar coming down the track to a quality bowler when there was no need.

It's true we need a few more strikers of the ball but people need to realize it's not as easy as it looks against quality bowlers. Against trundlers or pacers with no skill or control, you can capitalize but against quality attacks, at best you will succeed in 2/5 games.
 
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