Looking past stat-padding vs minnows: Records of T20I batters versus the top 6 teams

[Mobashir]

I was looking at the T20I batting stats versus the top 6 because many players to inflate there stats against minnow teams.

Here is a look at it.

Overall batting stats vs top 6 :

Home batting stats vs top 6 :

Away batting stats vs top 6 :

Neutral venue battin stats vs top 6 :

 

[Mobashir]

Don't want it to turn into a Kohli vs Babar thread but interesting to note that Kohli's overall SR is 134.99 where as Babar's SR is slightly better at 135.45.

Aaron Finch, despite his spectacular lost of form has still stats anyone would dream about with an average of 35 and SR of 146. Way better stats than more rated openers Warners and Rohit Sharma who have similar stats with an average of 28 and SR of 138.

 

[WengerOut]

Batting First against top 6, Babar has SR of 130. Kohli has 134, Umar Akmal has 139 , Rohit has 141.

 

[Mobashir]

Batting First against top 6, Babar has SR of 130. Kohli has 134, Umar Akmal has 139 ��, Rohit has 141.

Umar Akmal has not done justice to his talent but he has played some incredible innings against top quality fast bowling in T20I.

 

[Mesozoic]

So how are these teams the "top 6"? I see stats of some players all the way from 2006 so how are Sri Lanka and West Indies worse than some of these teams like South Africa and New Zealand who have never even won the WT20?

Sri Lanka were easily a top 4 T20 side between 2009- 2014 and made it to 3 out of 4 T20 world Cup finals. So how are South Africa (who have never made it even once) better than them overall? Don't even get me started on West Indies who won twice (most by any team) and still somehow aren't a top 6 side.

 

[Mobashir]

So how are these teams the "top 6"? I see stats of some players all the way from 2006 so how are Sri Lanka and West Indies worse than some of these teams like South Africa and New Zealand who have never even won the WT20?

Sri Lanka were easily a top 4 T20 side between 2009- 2014 and made it to 3 out of 4 T20 world Cup finals. So how are South Africa (who have never made it even once) better than them overall? Don't even get me started on West Indies who won twice (most by any team) and still somehow aren't a top 6 side.

Even if you don't consider these the top 6, it's the stats vs these 6 sides.
It's actually SENA + India/Pakistan.
The sample size is also big enough to compare some of the players.
And surely a GOAT of all time player stats and SR would be lot better than those who are way too slow for the format.

Strange you didn't commented on the stats but only on the teams selected.
The stats didn't suited you?

 

[Rana]

It is futile to compare Babar the opener v Kohli the responsible no.3 batsman

Kohli doesn’t put himself before the team and opens the innings, facing 15-20 deliveries in the powerplay getting more value for his shots

 

[Mesozoic]

Even if you don't consider these the top 6, it's the stats vs these 6 sides.
It's actually SENA + India/Pakistan.
The sample size is also big enough to compare some of the players.
And surely a GOAT of all time player stats and SR would be lot better than those who are way too slow for the format.

Strange you didn't commented on the stats but only on the teams selected.
The stats didn't suited you?

I don't actually see your point. So you're trying to argue that Babar is a better T20 batsman than Kohli based on the stats against these selected 6 teams? Just curious.. not taking any dig here.

Kohli's "GOAT" tag in T20is comes from his exploits in the T20 world cups where he pretty much carried Indian batting in three consecutive tournaments and won two POTS.

Anyways, taking stats at face value in T20is is plain idiotic when you consider the fact that most teams play reserve bowling attacks against some and close to full strength against some. Think you're catching my drift here.

 

[Mobashir]

It is futile to compare Babar the opener v Kohli the responsible no.3 batsman

Kohli doesn’t put himself before the team and opens the innings, facing 15-20 deliveries in the powerplay getting more value for his shots

Kohli's SR in the powerplay is lesser than Babar's anyway, so what you are saying isn't true.
Now that Stats are prooving that you are wrong, you are starting story telling.
Babar's SR is more than fine and better than Kohli's against top teams. Just 2/3 points lesser than Rohit Sharma, who by the way averages just 28.

 

[Mobashir]

I don't actually see your point. So you're trying to argue that Babar is a better T20 batsman than Kohli based on the stats against these selected 6 teams? Just curious.. not taking any dig here.

Kohli's "GOAT" tag in T20is comes from his exploits in the T20 world cups where he pretty much carried Indian batting in three consecutive tournaments and won two POTS.

Anyways, taking stats at face value in T20is is plain idiotic when you consider the fact that most teams play reserve bowling attacks against some and close to full strength against some. Think you're catching my drift here.

No point here. Just sharing stats against top teams and not stat pading stats against minnows.
But it's actually nice to see that people critisise Babar's SR when against top teams his SR is better than Kohli's.


Agree about some teams not picking there best bowling line ups in T20's.

 

[kukkad kamaal]

I am interested to know Kohli's stats as an opener.

 

[IMMY69]

Another brainless thread

You can't distinguish the average from the strike rate
Common sense

Let someone else explain

 

[Ab Fan]

Not a context based stats filtering.

Most of Babar's knock have come against second or third string sides of these teams like South Africa for example played a third string bowling against Pakistan where Rabada and five other South Africans skipped the series to participate in IPL 2021 amidst COVID scarce at its peak.

 

[Shaka81]

Curious that these stats focus only on runs scored which will always favour the players who have played more games. It would be more interesting to see based on average and strike rates for who has been more effective in these games.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I don't actually see your point. So you're trying to argue that Babar is a better T20 batsman than Kohli based on the stats against these selected 6 teams? Just curious.. not taking any dig here.

Kohli's "GOAT" tag in T20is comes from his exploits in the T20 world cups where he pretty much carried Indian batting in three consecutive tournaments and won two POTS.

Anyways, taking stats at face value in T20is is plain idiotic when you consider the fact that most teams play reserve bowling attacks against some and close to full strength against some. Think you're catching my drift here.

LMAO you change your opinions regarding Kohli everyday here. I have seen you criticising and blaming Kohli for India not winning the ICC tournaments, if I am not wrong you were going after him for losing the toss as well and now you are highlighting his performances in T20WCs. Bhai kehna kya chahte ho?

And it is pretty obvious biased fans like you don't take rankings, stats in bilaterals seriously when they don't suit your agenda. Some of you stopped taking T20I rankings seriously when Babar became number 1. Once Sky becomes the number 1 batsman your opinions will change again.

 

[Mobashir]

Another brainless thread

You can't distinguish the average from the strike rate
Common sense

Let someone else explain

Couldn't understand what you are saying?

 

[Mobashir]

Not a context based stats filtering.

Most of Babar's knock have come against second or third string sides of these teams like South Africa for example played a third string bowling against Pakistan where Rabada and five other South Africans skipped the series to participate in IPL 2021 amidst COVID scarce at its peak.

Ok, so we must look at math by match. This is what you are saying? Because I remember when Rohit and Kohli scored runs in Australia vs there C attack.

But if you want to see innings that count because of good bowling attacks you are free to do it. I am sure Kohli, Sharma and Rahul's SR will be over 150 and Babar down to 115.

 

[introvert]

Those filters are not enough. Filter out separate stats for openers, 3-4, 5-7 batting positions.

 

[Mobashir]

Curious that these stats focus only on runs scored which will always favour the players who have played more games. It would be more interesting to see based on average and strike rates for who has been more effective in these games.

It was to show the leading batsman in the world, and not people who may have better SR and averages but haven't played much so far. But yes you are right.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Not a context based stats filtering.

Most of Babar's knock have come against second or third string sides of these teams like South Africa for example played a third string bowling against Pakistan where Rabada and five other South Africans skipped the series to participate in IPL 2021 amidst COVID scarce at its peak.

Do you have stats to back up your argument? Thanks.

 

[Ab Fan]

Ok, so we must look at math by match. This is what you are saying? Because I remember when Rohit and Kohli scored runs in Australia vs there C attack.

But if you want to see innings that count because of good bowling attacks you are free to do it. I am sure Kohli, Sharma and Rahul's SR will be over 150 and Babar down to 115.

Look at WT20 performance. The bowling attack is full string there.

 

[Ab Fan]

Do you have stats to back up your argument? Thanks.

Can you prove that you are qualified enough to have a discussion with me on this ?

Thanks.

 

[Mobashir]

It is futile to compare Babar the opener v Kohli the responsible no.3 batsman

Kohli doesn’t put himself before the team and opens the innings, facing 15-20 deliveries in the powerplay getting more value for his shots

Those filters are not enough. Filter out separate stats for openers, 3-4, 5-7 batting positions.

Stats for some OPENERS :



I don't even want to comment on it. It's here for all to see.

 

[Mobashir]

Look at WT20 performance. The bowling attack is full string there.

Kohli's overall world cup SR is 129. But don't we all agree that he is champion world cup batsman?
Can you please tell me some of the great attacks Kohli has scored against in World cups? Ok let alone, some great attacks, give me 2 good bowling attacks he has scored against in T20 world cups.

 

[Mobashir]

Well, actually this thread is not to downgrade indian players at all.

Babar is more than a fine batsman in T20 internationals. He has limitations, but just like every batsmen has his own limitations. His SR is very fine, his average is very fine. He is an excellent opener and batsman.

 

[Mobashir]

The problems for Pakistan is coming from somewhere else.
Look at what the kinds Malik, Asif Ali, Faheem Ashraf, Haider Ali, Maqsood, Khushdil Shah have done.

 

[Hextro]

Stats for some OPENERS :

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I don't even want to comment on it. It's here for all to see.

Interesting stats. Really puts Rohit's T20I career into perspective.

 

[ElRaja]

doesnt really make sense to compare minnow vs non-minnow in t20i. afg have one of the best spin bowling attacks in the world. also more times even the non-minnow teams are playing less than full strength XIs. also your top six excludes the teams who has won the world t20i the most times.

t20i stats arent very meaningful when studying minute differences, only for large differences IMO cos the control is too varied, so i don't think anyone should really care about someone averaging a few runs more or less.

the only stat that counts in t20i, IMO, is world t20is performance. the rest is totally meaningless to me.

 

[KyoOne]

Biased & strange comparisons. Why use runs scored as basis? Why only 6teams? It should be all test playing nations .

Babar is anchoring player which teams like England do not even keep in their sides. He often bats selfishly to keep up his average

 

[Mobashir]

Biased & strange comparisons. Why use runs scored as basis? Why only 6teams? It should be all test playing nations .

Babar is anchoring player which teams like England do not even keep in their sides. He often bats selfishly to keep up his average

Strange that you can't look at the averages and SR of the players.

He often plays selfishly to keep up his average yet he has same SR as most openers.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

[MENTION=43051]Mobashir[/MENTION].
This is another example of filtering stats without logic.

Lemme tell you why - >

These are the top 6 teams AS OF NOW,
Kohli started his career way back in 2010, Srilanka was a top team then, Windies won two world cups since 2010 and was a top t20i team.

So these stats don't make any sense, you just opened statsguru and tried all sorts of combination to somehow get a stat where Babar is ahead of Kohli.

Secondly, the run rates in 2010 were totally different to those in 2022, a hitter like Yuvraj singh striked at 133.

Basically, this is a list withe zero logic and the main aim was to find a permutation where Babar's str rate is higher than Kohli.
Sadly, it won't work on posters possessing a working brain.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Comparing strike rates of players who started in 2008, 2010 to current days trike rates

The OP thinks he is too smart, but he ain't.

Yuvrajs strike rate is 133, Babar might be a better hitter than him too. Right?

 

[Rana]

[MENTION=43051]Mobashir[/MENTION].
This is another example of filtering stats without logic.

Lemme tell you why - >

These are the top 6 teams AS OF NOW,
Kohli started his career way back in 2010, Srilanka was a top team then, Windies won two world cups since 2010 and was a top t20i team.

So these stats don't make any sense, you just opened statsguru and tried all sorts of combination to somehow get a stat where Babar is ahead of Kohli.

Secondly, the run rates in 2010 were totally different to those in 2022, a hitter like Yuvraj singh striked at 133.

Basically, this is a list withe zero logic and the main aim was to find a permutation where Babar's str rate is higher than Kohli.
Sadly, it won't work on posters possessing a working brain.

Also

I don’t think England, Australia and NZ serve up their B string bowlers to India whenever the two face knowing Kohl, Sharma and Dhawan are in the side

They do that casually against Pakistan though.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Babar's career str rate 129
Kohli's career str rate - 138
This is despite starting 6 years earlier.

Removing SriLanka and WestIndies makes no sense as they won 3 world cups from 2010-2022

 

[MHN1293]

Babar is a great t20i batsmen. He serves his role perfectly as an anchor and has proved multiple times that he can bat at the ~150 sr in fast paced sena pitches. Which is why it baffles me that out of all the passengers in the lineup he gets criticized so often. He has certain limitations due to which his status as the best t20i batsmen in the world can be debated upon but there's no doubt he alongside rizwan is out most important batsmen heading into the World Cup. Personally I would like to see how often sharjeel and others hacks cute once in 5 innings 15 ball 30s help us win the game in the powerplay instead of Babar rizwan

 

[Mesozoic]

LMAO you change your opinions regarding Kohli everyday here. I have seen you criticising and blaming Kohli for India not winning the ICC tournaments, if I am not wrong you were going after him for losing the toss as well and now you are highlighting his performances in T20WCs. Bhai kehna kya chahte ho?

And it is pretty obvious biased fans like you don't take rankings, stats in bilaterals seriously when they don't suit your agenda. Some of you stopped taking T20I rankings seriously when Babar became number 1. Once Sky becomes the number 1 batsman your opinions will change again.

Another pointless post. How does criticizing Kohli's poor captaincy and pathetic form in the recent years take anything away from the fact that he's one of the best batsmen , if not the best at the T20 world cups.

And nowhere I said anything about rankings lol. Don't know why you got triggered on that point.

 

[Mobashir]

It is futile to compare Babar the opener v Kohli the responsible no.3 batsman

Kohli doesn’t put himself before the team and opens the innings, facing 15-20 deliveries in the powerplay getting more value for his shots

Stats for some OPENERS :

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I don't even want to comment on it. It's here for all to see.

Also

I don’t think England, Australia and NZ serve up their B string bowlers to India whenever the two face knowing Kohl, Sharma and Dhawan are in the side

They do that casually against Pakistan though.

Strange person you are.
You questioned the comparaison because one is opener and the other 3.
I told you this wasn't a comparaison thread between these and I Posted the stats of openers.
When you saw he was way better than the likes of Sharma Dhawan and Rahul you are bringing the B string bowlers.
Don't you watch cricket?
Show me witch are the great attacks these guys have score against, also Kohli, or for that matter any other player and Babar hasn't done it.

You just can't see a Pakistani, especially Babar Azam, at the top of the world.
You are fast becoming a second Mamoun.

 

[Mesozoic]

No point here. Just sharing stats against top teams and not stat pading stats against minnows.
But it's actually nice to see that people critisise Babar's SR when against top teams his SR is better than Kohli's.


Agree about some teams not picking there best bowling line ups in T20's.

You're running around in circles. There is no such thing as "minnows" when it comes to Sri Lanka and west Indies of the early 2010s. But you still excluded them for reasons only known to you.

And you're comfortably ignoring another obvious elephant in the room. Most of Babar's highest T20 scores (which would inflate his stats) came against sub par reserve attacks of the so called "top teams". Just because it's England or South Africa, it doesn't make it a world class attack, when the names you read on the sheet are Magala, Lizaad , Gleeson, Luke wood etc.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

These stats are pointless now days only way to judge a batsman is how they play in World cups, because it's where the all best available players play

 

[The lone Ranger]

You're trying so hard here!

"One is at his peak" Vs "One was at his peak + in his last legs" (out of form for the past 3-4 years)

The average T20 score during 2008-2015 was 150..
The average score now is around 180.

If you are a good enough batsman and also opening, you can accumulate lots of runs especially when you keep playing every single match and most of the time against Second string attacks.

So, even if you try so hard, filtering out stats to suit your goals, it holds no value.

 

[Mobashir]

It is futile to compare Babar the opener v Kohli the responsible no.3 batsman

Kohli doesn’t put himself before the team and opens the innings, facing 15-20 deliveries in the powerplay getting more value for his shots

Stats for some OPENERS :

View attachment 117240

I don't even want to comment on it. It's here for all to see.

You're running around in circles. There is no such thing as "minnows" when it comes to Sri Lanka and west Indies of the early 2010s. But you still excluded them for reasons only known to you.

And you're comfortably ignoring another obvious elephant in the room. Most of Babar's highest T20 scores (which would inflate his stats) came against sub par reserve attacks of the so called "top teams". Just because it's England or South Africa, it doesn't make it a world class attack, when the names you read on the sheet are Magala, Lizaad , Gleeson, Luke wood etc.

Tell me how I filter those stats to put the best attacks?

 

[Mobashir]

It is futile to compare Babar the opener v Kohli the responsible no.3 batsman

Kohli doesn’t put himself before the team and opens the innings, facing 15-20 deliveries in the powerplay getting more value for his shots

Stats for some OPENERS :

View attachment 117240

I don't even want to comment on it. It's here for all to see.

You're trying so hard here!

"One is at his peak" Vs "One was at his peak + in his last legs" (out of form for the past 3-4 years)

The average T20 score during 2008-2015 was 150..
The average score now is around 180.

If you are a good enough batsman and also opening, you can accumulate lots of runs especially when you keep playing every single match and most of the time against Second string attacks.

So, even if you try so hard, filtering out stats to suit your goals, it holds no value.

Again it's nothing about Kohli. He is a great player.
Why can't other opener accumulate like Babar?
Let's take the example of Sharma, similar SR but nearly half the average.
Or any other opener from the list?

Babar is tremendous player.

 

[Mesozoic]

Tell me how I filter those stats to put the best attacks?

I don't know lol. I ain't the desperate one here.

 

[The lone Ranger]

Again it's nothing about Kohli. He is a great player.
Why can't other opener accumulate like Babar?
Let's take the example of Sharma, similar SR but nearly half the average.
Or any other opener from the list?

Babar is tremendous player.

Ofcourse, Babar is one of the great players and sensible too! That's why he knows how to accumulate lots of runs without throwing his wicket away! and also knows which position is best in T20 cricket.

Also believes 3rd or 4th position won't bring him a lot of success especially in this format which is why he is so adamant that he is refusing to let natural opener like fakhar open.

He knows he has some limitations and won't have time to relax if he plays at different positions other than opening the inning which provides him some luxury like he can phase his innings well especially in this format and also been taking advantage of teams fielding their second string attacks due to different reasons, which is ofcourse not at all his fault as you can only play what's infront of you.

But players like Rohit who is different and is not an accumulator and does not care about averages at all. He needs some time at the crease before going to explode that's why his SR is low for his liking. If you keep bowling bouncers at him, Most of the time he will throw his wicket away after hitting a couple of sixes. You can't expect consistency from players like him in T20Is.

 

[jnaveen1980]

T20 stats can be the most misleading stats. Having said that strike rate does reflect the approach to some extent. Best way to analyze players is based on situations. In T20 sometimes you can make up for strike rate with a couple of big hits in the back end. It is hard to quantify how your slow batting impacted other players and made them lose their wickets. KL Rahul often gets into shell which force other players to take high risks.

 

[Farabi]

Babar's career str rate 129
Kohli's career str rate - 138
This is despite starting 6 years earlier.

Removing SriLanka and WestIndies makes no sense as they won 3 world cups from 2010-2022

OMG did you even review the data properly lol? Because babar SR on UAE slow wickets is 118. Babar career SR outside UAE is 140+ higher than Kohli.

Look at “Neutral venue battin stats vs top 6”

 

[Farabi]

Virat Kohli SR in UAE is 111 althoigh he hasn’t played many games there as Babar, so it doesn’t skew his SR.

Interesting to see that all batsmen have pathetic numbers in UAE… it’s pretty naive to say UAE batting tracks are like Pakistan looking at this data.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Can you prove that you are qualified enough to have a discussion with me on this ?

Thanks.

I am living in your head rent free. Do you want any qualification other than that lol? Just say no if you can't back it up and run away.

 

[shamaan]

Biased & strange comparisons. Why use runs scored as basis? Why only 6teams? It should be all test playing nations .

Babar is anchoring player which teams like England do not even keep in their sides. He often bats selfishly to keep up his average

According to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] anchors should have an strike rate of 140 which roy doesn't have.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Another pointless post. How does criticizing Kohli's poor captaincy and pathetic form in the recent years take anything away from the fact that he's one of the best batsmen , if not the best at the T20 world cups.

And nowhere I said anything about rankings lol. Don't know why you got triggered on that point.

Answer this simple question. Is Kohli the best batsman currently? If yes, then why do you keep criticising him and I am not talking about his captaincy here. If no, then why do you keep getting triggered when fans put Babar over Kohli these days? You come across as someone who always looks confused and come with illogical posts. Don't just get me started on that again lol.

 

[jnaveen1980]

High strike rate innings is a clue. Check for list of high strike rate innings for a period.

 

[Mesozoic]

Answer this simple question. Is Kohli the best batsman currently? If yes, then why do you keep criticising him and I am not talking about his captaincy here. If no, then why do you keep getting triggered when fans put Babar over Kohli these days? You come across as someone who always looks confused and come with illogical posts. Don't just get me started on that again lol.

Look who's talking about getting triggered )


I know it hurts to see the plain fact that Babar will never be as good as Kohli was in his prime but it is what it is, no matter how hard people try to filter stats and use other childish metrics.

Heck even now, I'd pick Kohli (who has started playing with more intent) at no.3 than have Babar open for my T20 team. The guy is a serial match loser against any decent attack if he stays for more than 30 balls.

 

[Mobashir]

Look who's talking about getting triggered )


I know it hurts to see the plain fact that Babar will never be as good as Kohli was in his prime but it is what it is, no matter how hard people try to filter stats and use other childish metrics.

Heck even now, I'd pick Kohli (who has started playing with more intent) at no.3 than have Babar open for my T20 team. The guy is a serial match loser against any decent attack if he stays for more than 30 balls.

You are talking about the 2nd biggest match winner in the world these days (first being Stokes).
Indian attack that he smashed at the world cup wasn't that bad!

 

[Mesozoic]

You are talking about the 2nd biggest match winner in the world these days (first being Stokes).
Indian attack that he smashed at the world cup wasn't that bad!

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Even Babar himself may not think that.


Yes he got a cute 60 when Rizwan was doing the bulk of the work at the other end in a lowly chase. We all saw what he did recently in the Asia cup against us when there was just a slight bit of challenge in front of him to set up a total and then chase down a big one.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Look who's talking about getting triggered )


I know it hurts to see the plain fact that Babar will never be as good as Kohli was in his prime but it is what it is, no matter how hard people try to filter stats and use other childish metrics.

Heck even now, I'd pick Kohli (who has started playing with more intent) at no.3 than have Babar open for my T20 team. The guy is a serial match loser against any decent attack if he stays for more than 30 balls.

You didn't answer my question. Let me ask this question again so that you don't try to ignore it this time too.

Is Kohli the best batsman currently? If yes, then why do you keep criticising him and I am not talking about his captaincy here. If no, then why do you keep getting triggered when fans put Babar over Kohli these days?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

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Even Babar himself may not think that.


Yes he got a cute 60 when Rizwan was doing the bulk of the work at the other end in a lowly chase. We all saw what he did recently in the Asia cup against us when there was just a slight bit of challenge in front of him to set up a total and then chase down a big one.

Why will he say that himself when Kohli is there to say it for him?

Babar Azam is probably the top batsman right now, have enjoyed watching him bat: Virat Kohli

https://www.crictracker.com/babar-a...ow-have-enjoyed-watching-him-bat-virat-kohli/

Keyword is 'right now'. I asked a question above in this context. Is Kohli the best batsman currently? Answer it please rather than laughing like an idiot as always. Thanks.

 

[Ashmal]

Also

I don’t think England, Australia and NZ serve up their B string bowlers to India whenever the two face knowing Kohl, Sharma and Dhawan are in the side

They do that casually against Pakistan though.

You need to watch more cricket.

Go and see Eng bowling attack vs India earlier this year in T20s.

Even Aus bowling attack vs Ind in T20s in Aus in 2020-21

These are just few recent examples that I remember clearly.

You'll find many if you dig deep.

SENA teams don't bother much about bilateral LOIs, no matter who they're playing against.

Having said that Kohli > Babar in T20s as of now....Babar needs a great WT20 to come in reckoning.

 

[Ab Fan]

Kohli , Buttler, Warner, Miller, SKY are all superior to Babar.

Babar in T20s is basically an upgraded version of Shreyas Iyer with slightly lesser strike rate.

 

[Ashmal]

Kohli , Buttler, Warner, Miller, SKY are all superior to Babar.

Babar in T20s is basically an upgraded version of Shreyas Iyer with slightly lesser strike rate.

So no KL in your list.....looks like even you have given up on him

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You are talking about the 2nd biggest match winner in the world these days (first being Stokes).
Indian attack that he smashed at the world cup wasn't that bad!

Not too long ago our so called Kohli f@nboy(fake one) Mr. [MENTION=151350]Mesozoic[/MENTION] was criticising Kohli for even losing a toss let alone his poor form. Babar was the guy who was supporting Kohli at that time and look at now these same plastic fans are making fun of Babar Azam and are now putting Kohli above Babar Azam. 'Thaali ka baingan' suits him perfectly.

When Virat Kohli was having a rough time during the England tour in July, Babar Azam had come out in support of the Indian batter. He shared a picture of them and captioned it “This too shall pass. Stay strong.” To which, Kohli had replied – “Thank you. Keep shining and rising. Wish you all the best.” The teams are one of the biggest rivalries, but the players of the two sides share a great bond.

“I saw a lot of regard and respect from him and that hasn’t changed regardless of the fact that he is probably the top batsman in the world right now across formats, performing so consistently. And rightly so, he has amazing talent and I have always enjoyed watching him play. So that hasn’t changed. He is performing now and he is coming into his own, but I don’t see his attitude or his approach change towards me, which is a very good sign of someone who is very grounded in the foundations of his upbringing,” Kohli added.

https://www.crictracker.com/babar-a...ow-have-enjoyed-watching-him-bat-virat-kohli/

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So no KL in your list.....looks like even you have given up on him

You forgot Pant too.

 

[Ab Fan]

Against top 8 teams,

Babar S/R 130
Iyer S/R 132
SKY S/R 168

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...n;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=batting

 

[Ab Fan]

You forgot Pant too.

Haha Pant is where this guy lives starts and end with. A generational love story

 

[Farabi]

Kohli , Buttler, Warner, Miller, SKY are all superior to Babar.

Babar in T20s is basically an upgraded version of Shreyas Iyer with slightly lesser strike rate.

This is the most delusional comment I read all day. Outside UAE, Babar SR is 140+ based on data above with average close to 50.
What have KL Rahul and SKY achieved in Asia Cup and T20 WC2021 under pressure? They are both Overrated based on bilateral.
Miller is a lower order player, and plays a totally different role.

Warner, Buttler as openers > Babar
Kohli on current form = Babar

It reeks of jealousy to compare Babar with a nobody like Shreyas. I don’t know even know who Shreyas is.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Against top 8 teams,

Babar S/R 130
Iyer S/R 132
SKY S/R 168

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...n;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=batting

Shadab Khan has a strike rate of 137. He is better than Rishabh Pant.

 

[Farabi]

Against top 8 teams,

Babar S/R 130
Iyer S/R 132
SKY S/R 168

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...n;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=batting

Can you exclude UAE and repost. Also include Averages to provide consistency to that SR?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Haha Pant is where this guy lives starts and end with. A generational love story

Looks like I hit a nerve.

 

[Ab Fan]

This is the most delusional comment I read all day. Outside UAE, Babar SR is 140+ based on data above with average close to 50.
What have KL Rahul and SKY achieved in Asia Cup and T20 WC2021 under pressure? They are both Overrated based on bilateral.
Miller is a lower order player, and plays a totally different role.

Warner, Buttler as openers > Babar
Kohli on current form = Babar

It reeks of jealousy to compare Babar with a nobody like Shreyas. I don’t know even know who Shreyas is.

Shreyas is a guy who doesn't make it to India's 15 man squad but has better strike rate than Babar vs top 8 teams inspite of being a one dimensional batsman. This tells us how much limited a batsman Babar is. I cannot think of any other batsman in present era who is striking at 130 or below and is rated this highly whether it is Kohli, Buttler, Warner, Rohit, SKY or any top batter.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Kohli , Buttler, Warner, Miller, SKY are all superior to Babar.

Babar in T20s is basically an upgraded version of Shreyas Iyer with slightly lesser strike rate.

Facts don't care about your feelings bro. You can close your eyes and pretend to live in a fantasy world where you think all these players are better than Babar and that an overrated AB de Villiers wannabe like SKY is somehow the second coming of AB de Villiers...but that won't necessarily make it true.

Also, did you seriously not see Kohli's strike-rate? If Babar (with a higher SR against Top 6 teams than Kohli) is an upgraded version of Iyer than what does that make Kohli?

 

[Farabi]

Shreyas is a guy who doesn't make it to India's 15 man squad but has better strike rate than Babar vs top 8 teams inspite of being a one dimensional batsman. This tells us how much limited a batsman Babar is. I cannot think of any other batsman in present era who is striking at 130 or below and is rated this highly whether it is Kohli, Buttler, Warner, Rohit, SKY or any top batter.

Ok - India’s the best bro. You win. ShreyasH is better than Babar. Washing machine aap ki hui.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Shreyas is a guy who doesn't make it to India's 15 man squad but has better strike rate than Babar vs top 8 teams inspite of being a one dimensional batsman. This tells us how much limited a batsman Babar is. I cannot think of any other batsman in present era who is striking at 130 or below and is rated this highly whether it is Kohli, Buttler, Warner, Rohit, SKY or any top batter.

Really lol? You himself hype one such guy and always hide him behind the word 'potential'. What is he doing in the team above Shreyas?

 

[Ab Fan]

Facts don't care about your feelings bro. You can close your eyes and pretend to live in a fantasy world where you think all these players are better than Babar and that an overrated AB de Villiers wannabe like SKY is somehow the second coming of AB de Villiers...but that won't necessarily make it true.

Also, did you seriously not see Kohli's strike-rate? If Babar (with a higher SR against Top 6 teams than Kohli) is an upgraded version of Iyer than what does that make Kohli?

Looks like I hit a nerve

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Haha Pant is where this guy lives starts and end with. A generational love story

I think he is just trying to be consistent. As opposed to picking and choosing the stats that suit his narrative, like you are.

 

[Ab Fan]

Really lol? You himself hype one such guy and always hide him behind the word 'potential'. What is he doing in the team above Shreyas?

That's in test cricket. But you are just proving that your life begins and ends with that name, he has made your life miserable and wasted your peak years as you have got nothing better to do

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Looks like I hit a nerve

Not really. You just exposed yourself as someone who does not have a very good understanding of cricket by downplaying the ability of the best all-format batter in the world.

 

[Ab Fan]

I think he is just trying to be consistent. As opposed to picking and choosing the stats that suit his narrative, like you are.

I see bitterness, not consistency though.

As for Surya being wannabe ABD or whatever, no Indian fan compared him with ABD, the only person who did was Ricky Ponting.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

That's in test cricket. But you are just proving that your life begins and ends with that name, he has made your life miserable and wasted your peak years as you have got nothing better to do

Stop lying now. That thread is still active and there are countless posts of you there. Also I am not sure why you are getting triggered on Pant's name. He is in the World Cup team and some fans rate him highly. I have nothing against him. He hasn't impressed me in LOI's except that century against England recently. He has got too many chances in T20s especially so I would like to see some other guys get an opportunity if he fails in WC also. He can come back again if he is that good. It is not the end of the world. Grow up and think about the Indian team first for once.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I see bitterness, not consistency though.

As for Surya being wannabe ABD or whatever, no Indian fan compared him with ABD, the only person who did was Ricky Ponting.

Not only have I heard Indian fans compare him to ABD, I've heard Indian commentators compare him to ABD too. It happened during the Asia Cup...maybe you had your TV on mute. The reality though remains the same. That he is massively overrated, and someone who has always gone missing whenever he has played in a major tournament.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I think he is just trying to be consistent. As opposed to picking and choosing the stats that suit his narrative, like you are.

In SuryaKumar's thread, [MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION] was saying that 'career stats matters' whereas in Pant's thread he was saying that 'potential matters' when people were comparing him with DK/Samson/Kishan.There is no consistency in his opinions at all. He was having a go at Rohit and Kohli as well but once they started scoring runs he switched sides again.

 

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