Looking past stat-padding vs minnows: Records of T20I batters versus the top 6 teams

[Ab Fan]

Not only have I heard Indian fans compare him to ABD, I've heard Indian commentators compare him to ABD too. It happened during the Asia Cup...maybe you had your TV on mute. The reality though remains the same. That he is massively overrated, and someone who has always gone missing whenever he has played in a major tournament.

Comparisons are done based on similarity of games, SKY batting is built on 360 degree game just like ABD so commies compare them. Even Buttler has been compared with ABD by commies but Buttler did turned out to be a failure in Test Cricket. ABD himself has also been compared with Viv Richards because of 50+ ODI average(consistency )+ 100+ SR (explosive batting). But ultimately this doesn't mean that their legacy is as big.

SKY at the moment is doing great in T20s vs all major teams except Pakistan and in ICC tournaments, the sample is extremely low to derive any conclusion.

 

[Mesozoic]

You didn't answer my question. Let me ask this question again so that you don't try to ignore it this time too.

Is Kohli the best batsman currently? If yes, then why do you keep criticising him and I am not talking about his captaincy here. If no, then why do you keep getting triggered when fans put Babar over Kohli these days?

That's a pointless question that serves absolutely no purpose to the discussion at hand. Just like most of your other posts. Anyways I will waste my time and answer..

No. Kohli is not the best batsman currently. And I don't know what this has got anything to do with, when the discussion on this thread is about overall record of players and not current form.

Yes I do criticize him but I'm not his blind hater like you are of some players. I'll call a spade a spade when I see one.

And no..I've no reason to get triggered over anything posted in this epic fail of a thread. Just pointing out straight facts that are hard to digest for some. That's it.

 

[Mobashir]

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Even Babar himself may not think that.


Yes he got a cute 60 when Rizwan was doing the bulk of the work at the other end in a lowly chase. We all saw what he did recently in the Asia cup against us when there was just a slight bit of challenge in front of him to set up a total and then chase down a big one.

We heard for 10 years that chasing is difficult but now that Babar has scored two hundreds chasing 200 totals, chasing has become easy and setting a target has become a challenge.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Not only have I heard Indian fans compare him to ABD, I've heard Indian commentators compare him to ABD too. It happened during the Asia Cup...maybe you had your TV on mute. The reality though remains the same. That he is massively overrated, and someone who has always gone missing whenever he has played in a major tournament.

He himself compared him with ABD in match threads. I like Sky as a player and I think he is an exciting player but I want him to make a name for himself. No need to compare him with AB. This is where most indian kids go wrong these days. Have heard some fans calling Arshdeep the next Wasim Akram as well. Pant is next Gilchrist. Gill is next Kohli. KL was also called the next Kohli. Pandya was the second coming of Sir Gary Sobers. Umran is next Shoaib Akhtar. The list is endless.

 

[Mesozoic]

Why will he say that himself when Kohli is there to say it for him?

Babar Azam is probably the top batsman right now, have enjoyed watching him bat: Virat Kohli

https://www.crictracker.com/babar-a...ow-have-enjoyed-watching-him-bat-virat-kohli/

Keyword is 'right now'. I asked a question above in this context. Is Kohli the best batsman currently? Answer it please rather than laughing like an idiot as always. Thanks.

Easy there sunny.. I know you're emotional now but you're getting carried away with your childish name calling.

And regarding the post.. I don't see the part where Kohli said Babar is the "second biggest match winner in the world". I'll be thankful if you highlight that part for me. Saying he is a top batsman across formats is completely different from what brother Mobashir laughably claimed a few posts ago.

 

[Mobashir]

It's funny that some Indians and also some Pakistani like [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] and [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] are always negative about Babar when India hasn't ever produced an t20 opener close to Babar.

The likes of KL, Dhawan and Rohit are not even in the same Pic. Look at their pathetic average and some of them even the SR.

 

[Mesozoic]

We heard for 10 years that chasing is difficult but now that Babar has scored two hundreds chasing 200 totals, chasing has become easy and setting a target has become a challenge.

Credit to Babar for making hay when dross bowlers like Magala and co/ Luke wood and co are served but he still isn't good enough to chase anything above 170 against a decent attack. As he showed in the Asia cup against India and Sri Lanka. And once in this series as well when England showed up with the other Wood.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

That's a pointless question that serves absolutely no purpose to the discussion at hand. Just like most of your other posts. Anyways I will waste my time and answer..

No. Kohli is not the best batsman currently. And I don't know what this has got anything to do with, when the discussion on this thread is about overall record of players and not current form.

Yes I do criticize him but I'm not his blind hater like you are of some players. I'll call a spade a spade when I see one.

And no..I've no reason to get triggered over anything posted in this epic fail of a thread. Just pointing out straight facts that are hard to digest for some. That's it.

I never hate any player. I criticise them when I don't like their performances or when I see they are being overhyped by pyjama league lovers like you. Hate is a very strong word. I will tell you who is a blind hater. It's guys like you who can even blame a player(especially when its Kohli) for losing a toss. I mean if this is not hate then what is lol? You are trying to save your face now that I have exposed your hypocrisy regarding Kohli. At least I am consistent and I actually back my arguments with stats whether its KL Rahul, Pandya or Pant. Open their threads and read my posts there.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Comparisons are done based on similarity of games, SKY batting is built on 360 degree game just like ABD so commies compare them. Even Buttler has been compared with ABD by commies but Buttler did turned out to be a failure in Test Cricket. ABD himself has also been compared with Viv Richards because of 50+ ODI average(consistency )+ 100+ SR (explosive batting). But ultimately this doesn't mean that their legacy is as big.

SKY at the moment is doing great in T20s vs all major teams except Pakistan and in ICC tournaments, the sample is extremely low to derive any conclusion.

The sample is extremely low to compare him to the best T20 batters in the world as well and yet you are doing just that.

The 360 degree aspect of his game is also heavily exaggerated. At best he is 180 degrees. And someone who fails far more while trying those inventive shots than he succeeds. Rather than needlessly hyping him to the moon why not wait for him to actually deliver for India in a match that actually matters, instead of a meaningless bilateral T20 series?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

He himself compared him with ABD in match threads. I like Sky as a player and I think he is an exciting player but I want him to make a name for himself. No need to compare him with AB. This is where most indian kids go wrong these days. Have heard some fans calling Arshdeep the next Wasim Akram as well. Pant is next Gilchrist. Gill is next Kohli. KL was also called the next Kohli. Pandya was the second coming of Sir Gary Sobers. Umran is next Shoaib Akhtar. The list is endless.

Overhyping their players to the moon used to be a common theme among English fans and media. Everyone remembers how Greame Hick and Mark Ramprakash were hyped to the moon before their careers became a case-study in not buying into the hype. I guess Indian fans have taken up that mantle now.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Easy there sunny.. I know you're emotional now but you're getting carried away with your childish name calling.

And regarding the post.. I don't see the part where Kohli said Babar is the "second biggest match winner in the world". I'll be thankful if you highlight that part for me. Saying he is a top batsman across formats is completely different from what brother Mobashir laughably claimed a few posts ago.

Lol your posts make me laugh not emotional. I can see the insecurity there. Why would Kohli specifically say that Babar is the second biggest match winner in the world? I gave that link to show Kohli thinks very highly of Babar. You need to up your game.

OP started this thread for Babar Azam's blind haters and the criticism he was getting after yesterday's inning. Fans were expecting Babar to score a 59 ball 120 which he couldn't achieve and only managed a strike rate of 147.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It's funny that some Indians and also some Pakistani like [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] and [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] are always negative about Babar when India hasn't ever produced an t20 opener close to Babar.

The likes of KL, Dhawan and Rohit are not even in the same Pic. Look at their pathetic average and some of them even the SR.

Some fans are just ungrateful. They will never change and always find something to complain about. When they will be proven wrong they will try to deflect from the argument or go into hiding until the next time that player fails. Indulging them is pointless because its not like there is a conclusion to the debate where they accept that they were wrong.

Fact of the matter is this: there has never been a T20 opener as consistent as Rizwan and the kind of numbers and achievements that Babar has in this format, as a batter are numbers and achievements that most batters go their entire careers without having.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Credit to Babar for making hay when dross bowlers like Magala and co/ Luke wood and co are served but he still isn't good enough to chase anything above 170 against a decent attack. As he showed in the Asia cup against India and Sri Lanka. And once in this series as well when England showed up with the other Wood.

Are you alright today? Need some burnol? Did he not chase 152 something against India in the World Cup in 17.5 overs? Why can't he chase 170 against decent attacks? Why do you always come up with these OTT statements like any IPL team will beat any asian team in T20, he won't score against decent attacks. It seems either you are running away from reality or just trolling for the sake of it.

 

[Mesozoic]

Okay let me soothe some of the pain here...


Babar Azam is a world class batsman. One of the best in the world currently. In fact, best of the lot that play all the formats regularly. Also seems a nice, humble, down to earth chap who doesn't seem to carry a chip on his shoulder.

In Tests and ODIs he walks into the Indian side (and every other side) eyes closed and will probably even be the best batter in the team on most occasions. But in the shortest format, he is just not the player that any decent team would fear. His low risk playing style will never push the opponent out of the game unless it's a sticky sharjah type wicket (which are as rare as they come these days). Make no mistake...he would have been an ideal T20 opener up until 2014 but in 2022, you need something/someone entirely different in that role. His best bet would be to do the crisis man job that Steve Smith does for Australia and captain the side.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

One thing which most of the fans forget is that Rizwan and Babar both of them know clearly that their middle order is the worst. They do have to bat cautiously most of the times. They don't have a luxury of big hitters coming down the order. We have seen already whenever they play freely either they break records or they break streaks.

 

[Mesozoic]

Are you alright today? Need some burnol? Did he not chase 152 something against India in the World Cup in 17.5 overs? Why can't he chase 170 against decent attacks? Why do you always come up with these OTT statements like any IPL team will beat any asian team in T20, he won't score against decent attacks. It seems either you are running away from reality or just trolling for the sake of it.

Lol I'm just posting here in a sane and sensible manner while someone is getting overtly emotional and name calling everyone and anyone in a lame juvenile manner. I wonder who needs the so called burnol out of the two.

And lol. at your cricketing knowledge if you think chasing 150 in 18 overs equates to chasing 170+ in 20. This is not your 12th standard maths test. )

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lol I'm just posting here in a sane and sensible manner while someone is getting overtly emotional and name calling everyone and anyone in a lame juvenile manner. I wonder who needs the so called burnol out of the two.

So you read the word 'burnol' and immediately started throwing your fingers on your keyboard in frustration? What about this?

Did he not chase 152 something against India in the World Cup in 17.5 overs? Why can't he chase 170 against decent attacks?

Skipped this intentionally? And why do you always hide behind this name calling excuse? Who called you names here?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lol I'm just posting here in a sane and sensible manner while someone is getting overtly emotional and name calling everyone and anyone in a lame juvenile manner. I wonder who needs the so called burnol out of the two.

And lol. at your cricketing knowledge if you think chasing 150 in 18 overs equates to chasing 170+ in 20. This is not your 12th standard maths test. )

Yeah they would have lost all 10 wickets in those 2 overs. Tu rehne de teri cricketing knowledge.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Okay let me soothe some of the pain here...


Babar Azam is a world class batsman. One of the best in the world currently. In fact, best of the lot that play all the formats regularly. Also seems a nice, humble, down to earth chap who doesn't seem to carry a chip on his shoulder.

In Tests and ODIs he walks into the Indian side (and every other side) eyes closed and will probably even be the best batter in the team on most occasions. But in the shortest format, he is just not the player that any decent team would fear. His low risk playing style will never push the opponent out of the game unless it's a sticky sharjah type wicket (which are as rare as they come these days). Make no mistake...he would have been an ideal T20 opener up until 2014 but in 2022, you need something/someone entirely different in that role. His best bet would be to do the crisis man job that Steve Smith does for Australia and captain the side.

Lol I'm just posting here in a sane and sensible manner while someone is getting overtly emotional and name calling everyone and anyone in a lame juvenile manner. I wonder who needs the so called burnol out of the two.

And lol. at your cricketing knowledge if you think chasing 150 in 18 overs equates to chasing 170+ in 20. This is not your 12th standard maths test. )

So he is a world class batsman, best all format batsman but he can never chase 170 against decent attacks. And you are saying this based on your broken knowledge about cricket.

Did it hurt you when you wrote 'Babar Azam is a world class batsman. One of the best in the world currently. In fact, best of the lot that play all the formats regularly.'? It seems you wrote it without meaning it. He has shown time and again he can play fast. Stick to IPL.

 

[Mesozoic]

Yeah they would have lost all 10 wickets in those 2 overs. Tu rehne de teri cricketing knowledge.

Sheesh stop embarrassing yourselves already. This is not some linear periodic equation where you can brainlessly predict such things.

Pakistan were 50/0 after 8 overs in that game. They knew target was low so they could afford to play cautiously earlier on. Now if the target was 172, they would have tried to play more aggressively and things could have ended up way different. This is just plain , simple logic and common sense that one would expect from any knowledgeable cricket follower. But your cluelessness is even beyond help.

 

[Mesozoic]

So he is a world class batsman, best all format batsman but he can never chase 170 against decent attacks. And you are saying this based on your broken knowledge about cricket.

Did it hurt you when you wrote 'Babar Azam is a world class batsman. One of the best in the world currently. In fact, best of the lot that play all the formats regularly.'? It seems you wrote it without meaning it. He has shown time and again he can play fast. Stick to IPL.

Yes but only against third grade attacks.

You can just save yourselves all this trouble and pain by showing me a single knock of Babar where he scored even a quick 50 against a remotely close to full strength attack in a high run chase. But you know that thing simply doesn't exist and that's why all the emotional outbursts here..

 

[Oxfordchamp]

No matter how we slice and dice the stats, it is crystal clear that Babar doesn't have a higher gear which Viray has in T20s. A career strike rate of 130 for an opener is just not good enough especially considering the not so strong bowling attacks he has faced..the recent T20s are a prime example where he is struggling to accelerate against weak attacks .

 

[heddie19]

Wow. Babar has excellent stats. Even better than PP's favorite Kohli

 

[shamaan]

Yes but only against third grade attacks.

You can just save yourselves all this trouble and pain by showing me a single knock of Babar where he scored even a quick 50 against a remotely close to full strength attack in a high run chase. But you know that thing simply doesn't exist and that's why all the emotional outbursts here..

Can you name me examples when they had to chase in a high run chase ?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Pak fans are the best judges of Pak players same way Indian fans are the best judges of Indian players. Because they have the real pulse as they go through match situations. Dhoni was a master of making his strike rate half decent in the end overs. So is Jadeja. But it hardly had any impact. Clearly, Pak fans are divided on the approach of Babar/Rizwan. With India KL Rahul is under the pump for his selfish game. Rohit was also under the pump. But after he took over the captaincy permanently his strike rate became 148. Similarly the out of form Kohli was also under the pump for his slow knocks. Now he is showing some positive signs. Still on the slower side. Fans will react when something is not right.

 

[BOBO4393]

When it comes to batting our match is only with Australians Pakistan's batting always been poor just above Bangladesh
And then they are desperate to prove the player of the decade ,One of atg to bring in their conversation always so much desperation

 

[Ab Fan]

The sample is extremely low to compare him to the best T20 batters in the world as well and yet you are doing just that.

The 360 degree aspect of his game is also heavily exaggerated. At best he is 180 degrees. And someone who fails far more while trying those inventive shots than he succeeds. Rather than needlessly hyping him to the moon why not wait for him to actually deliver for India in a match that actually matters, instead of a meaningless bilateral T20 series?

Oh, so he fails far more than he delivers. Yet he has a career average of 39 at strike rate of 175. I wonder what average and strike rate combination qualifies for you as good enough.

Or maybe it is better to conclude that when there is a country bias one simply can't differentiate between a guys striking at 175 to another guy who could barely strike at 130.

 

[Ab Fan]

He himself compared him with ABD in match threads. I like Sky as a player and I think he is an exciting player but I want him to make a name for himself. No need to compare him with AB. This is where most indian kids go wrong these days. Have heard some fans calling Arshdeep the next Wasim Akram as well. Pant is next Gilchrist. Gill is next Kohli. KL was also called the next Kohli. Pandya was the second coming of Sir Gary Sobers. Umran is next Shoaib Akhtar. The list is endless.

Haha, jaha man waha hag dena hai.. Don't be such a bitter soul and try needling things in between. First go and learn how to behave properly in a forum before randomly posting like a brainless idiot.

 

[Mobashir]

When it comes to batting our match is only with Australians Pakistan's batting always been poor just above Bangladesh
And then they are desperate to prove the player of the decade ,One of atg to bring in their conversation always so much desperation

What an interesting post. Really you have closed the discussion with that great post.

 

[Mobashir]

Haha, jaha man waha hag dena hai.. Don't be such a bitter soul and try needling things in between. First go and learn how to behave properly in a forum before randomly posting like a brainless idiot.

You look hurt...
Ok, stop crying please, Kohli is the best batsman ever in T20I's and Rohit/Rahul are better openers than Babar and Buttler.

Pant, off course, is better than everyone mentioned, but he just isn't showing it for the moment.

Now, no more crying please.

 

[Mobashir]

Stats for some OPENERS :

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The top 5 openers in this list have a perfect combination of average and SR.
According to me, this is the best way to start an innings. They have both average and very high SR on there side.

Sharma, is also trying to change his game and go into this league if 150+ SR. But it will be risky for him for two reasons.
First he already has an average of just 26, so if he takes more risks he will probably start scoring even lesser.
Secondly, he is around 36 years old and not the same he was few years ago.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Include all teams (WI and Srl) and only then these stats will hold any value.

Basically you have tried all permutations and combinations and posted the one which suited you the most.

Babar's career strike rate is 129, it is pathetic for someone who is rated the best.

Also comparing str rate of players who started their career in 2010 to those who started in 2017, shows how you are trying to twist facts.
[MENTION=43051]Mobashir[/MENTION] I know you didn't have an answer to my previous posts, but still tagging you again.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Basically Rohit has two hundreds against SriLanka, but they won't count, but Babar's century against Junior Dala, Zondo etc will count

In t20s you need to look at career stats.

 

[Farabi]

Not a context based stats filtering.

Most of Babar's knock have come against second or third string sides of these teams like South Africa for example played a third string bowling against Pakistan where Rabada and five other South Africans skipped the series to participate in IPL 2021 amidst COVID scarce at its peak.

And yet India lost to the same bowling attack in Jan’22 including Magala and co, and missing SA pace aces Rabada and Nortje.

Seriously, the denial is so complete.
Pak won the ODI series where SA fielded complete attack 2 out of 3 ODIs and Babar scored a scintillating century in the first game.
Try to accept that other teams also have good players.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Haha, jaha man waha hag dena hai.. Don't be such a bitter soul and try needling things in between. First go and learn how to behave properly in a forum before randomly posting like a brainless idiot.

Are you saying this to yourself lol?

And I behave much much better than you here. I don't personally attack and call people names here so just don't go there. I am consistent in my views and don't change it everyday like you do here. You should learn to post properly and increase your knowledge about cricket. You are making a mockery of yourself here these days. Calm down and drink thanda pani.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Include all teams (WI and Srl) and only then these stats will hold any value.

Basically you have tried all permutations and combinations and posted the one which suited you the most.

Babar's career strike rate is 129, it is pathetic for someone who is rated the best.

Also comparing str rate of players who started their career in 2010 to those who started in 2017, shows how you are trying to twist facts.

[MENTION=43051]Mobashir[/MENTION] I know you didn't have an answer to my previous posts, but still tagging you again.

You rate Pant the best, don't you? And what is his career strike rate after 55+ matches? You even want India to lose matches if they don't pick Pant in the team. You should just in this thread.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Anyways, Babar Azam is a great player.

His batting is a treat. It makes one stop the life and tune in.

Just enjoy and be witness to greatness y'all!

 

[Rana]

It's funny that some Indians and also some Pakistani like [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] and [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] are always negative about Babar when India hasn't ever produced an t20 opener close to Babar.

The likes of KL, Dhawan and Rohit are not even in the same Pic. Look at their pathetic average and some of them even the SR.

Babar, like Isildur chose the path of selfishness

Kohli has always been about the team.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Babar, like Isildur chose the path of selfishness

Kohli has always been about the team.

One of the reasons may be I think the opposition doesn't see Babar as a "threat" in T20, just a maybe is his six-hitting ratios? Maybe it is just a subconscious perception.

Last 5 years against 8 major nations between Indian/Pakistan batsmen. I understand openers cannot have crazy ratios like Andre Russell who has a six every 4.86 balls. But it is still less frequent to instill fear in the opposition.



Rizwan Every 24 balls 1 six
Babar Every 41 balls 1 six
Hafeez Every 14 balls 1 six
Fakhar Every 20 balls 1 six
Asif Every 13 balls 1 six
Shadab Every 11 balls 1 six
Faheem Every 13 balls 1 six

As a comparison

Rohit Every 12 balls 1 six
Kohli Every 18 balls 1 six
Rahul Every 17 balls 1 six
SKY Every 10 balls 1 six
Pandya Every 14 balls 1 six
Iyer Every 21 balls 1 six

 

[cerebralrattlesnake]

first it was zimbabar

now that his ability against SENA is revealed now its but include all teams it's not faiiiiir

lol babar haters are a unique kind of

 

[cerebralrattlesnake]

babar haters

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ConcernedPrestigiousLacewing-max-1mb.gif

 

[Rana]

One of the reasons may be I think the opposition doesn't see Babar as a "threat" in T20, just a maybe is his six-hitting ratios? Maybe it is just a subconscious perception.

Last 5 years against 8 major nations between Indian/Pakistan batsmen. I understand openers cannot have crazy ratios like Andre Russell who has a six every 4.86 balls. But it is still less frequent to instill fear in the opposition.



Rizwan Every 24 balls 1 six
Babar Every 41 balls 1 six
Hafeez Every 14 balls 1 six
Fakhar Every 20 balls 1 six
Asif Every 13 balls 1 six
Shadab Every 11 balls 1 six
Faheem Every 13 balls 1 six

As a comparison

Rohit Every 12 balls 1 six
Kohli Every 18 balls 1 six
Rahul Every 17 balls 1 six
SKY Every 10 balls 1 six
Pandya Every 14 balls 1 six
Iyer Every 21 balls 1 six

Abysmal

I feel sorry for the Babar/Rizwan fans who are happy with our mediocrity

 

[Kroll]

One of the reasons may be I think the opposition doesn't see Babar as a "threat" in T20, just a maybe is his six-hitting ratios? Maybe it is just a subconscious perception.

Last 5 years against 8 major nations between Indian/Pakistan batsmen. I understand openers cannot have crazy ratios like Andre Russell who has a six every 4.86 balls. But it is still less frequent to instill fear in the opposition.



Rizwan Every 24 balls 1 six
Babar Every 41 balls 1 six
Hafeez Every 14 balls 1 six
Fakhar Every 20 balls 1 six
Asif Every 13 balls 1 six
Shadab Every 11 balls 1 six
Faheem Every 13 balls 1 six

As a comparison

Rohit Every 12 balls 1 six
Kohli Every 18 balls 1 six
Rahul Every 17 balls 1 six
SKY Every 10 balls 1 six
Pandya Every 14 balls 1 six
Iyer Every 21 balls 1 six

It's not a big a surprise, but in fairness to Babar, he's not a six hitter, never has been and we all know that. Yes Kohli is doing it in less than half the balls so can improve somewhat.

Babar opening, he's got a better chance at finding boundary by piercing the gap instead of hitting over the top. I'd also like Babar to deploy more ramp shots, scoops in addition to the lofts. He's good at the nudges to third man boundary so little bit of improvement in shots and mindset, he'll be a full package. No doubt though he's class and just like Kohli, T20 just seems beneath these two world class batsmen.

 

[Mobashir]

One of the reasons may be I think the opposition doesn't see Babar as a "threat" in T20, just a maybe is his six-hitting ratios? Maybe it is just a subconscious perception.

Last 5 years against 8 major nations between Indian/Pakistan batsmen. I understand openers cannot have crazy ratios like Andre Russell who has a six every 4.86 balls. But it is still less frequent to instill fear in the opposition.



Rizwan Every 24 balls 1 six
Babar Every 41 balls 1 six
Hafeez Every 14 balls 1 six
Fakhar Every 20 balls 1 six
Asif Every 13 balls 1 six
Shadab Every 11 balls 1 six
Faheem Every 13 balls 1 six

As a comparison

Rohit Every 12 balls 1 six
Kohli Every 18 balls 1 six
Rahul Every 17 balls 1 six
SKY Every 10 balls 1 six
Pandya Every 14 balls 1 six
Iyer Every 21 balls 1 six

Abysmal

I feel sorry for the Babar/Rizwan fans who are happy with our mediocrity

Who cares how you score your runs? It only means Babar hit fours more than the others, or play less dot balls.
The number of dot Rahul, Kohli and Sharma play in the PP is unmatchable.

 

[Mobashir]

Include all teams (WI and Srl) and only then these stats will hold any value.

Basically you have tried all permutations and combinations and posted the one which suited you the most.

Babar's career strike rate is 129, it is pathetic for someone who is rated the best.

Also comparing str rate of players who started their career in 2010 to those who started in 2017, shows how you are trying to twist facts.

[MENTION=43051]Mobashir[/MENTION] I know you didn't have an answer to my previous posts, but still tagging you again.

So many stats, from so much time are shown "against SENA" and there is no problem. When I show a stat vs SENA it is not relevant anymore? You have to include all teams?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Who cares how you score your runs? It only means Babar hit fours more than the others, or play less dot balls.
The number of dot Rahul, Kohli and Sharma play in the PP is unmatchable.

Hey as a fan if you are happy and you think he has no room for improvement that is fine. Just sharing why that perception might be.

 

[Rana]

Hey as a fan if you are happy and you think he has no room for improvement that is fine. Just sharing why that perception might be.

This is the problem

We are perfect

Our style of play is perfect

We have our own culture.

 

[jnaveen1980]

This is the problem

We are perfect

Our style of play is perfect

We have our own culture.

There is no limit to learning and getting better. In the last 1 or 2 years from press to fans, former players have been picking apart Kohli's lack of backfoot game left/right/center. A guy who averaged once 50 in all 3 formats came under the pump like never before.

 

[Mesozoic]

Yes but only against third grade attacks.

You can just save yourselves all this trouble and pain by showing me a single knock of Babar where he scored even a quick 50 against a remotely close to full strength attack in a high run chase. But you know that thing simply doesn't exist and that's why all the emotional outbursts here..

Yet another miserable failure in a high run chase against a remotely good bowling attack for the "second biggest match winner in world cricket behind Ben stokes".

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Oh, so he fails far more than he delivers. Yet he has a career average of 39 at strike rate of 175. I wonder what average and strike rate combination qualifies for you as good enough.

Or maybe it is better to conclude that when there is a country bias one simply can't differentiate between a guys striking at 175 to another guy who could barely strike at 130.

I've seen him bat a few times recently and I have to say my opinion on him has changed. Perhaps primarily because a batter like him is exactly what Pakistan is missing. Despite his history of going missing in numerous big matches, his numbers at No.4 are undoubtedly astonishing and unmatched by any other batter in the world. And I wouldn't be surprised if he does deliver big for India at the World Cup.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Babar is not an elite T20 batter but perhaps we have to keep in mind that him and Rizwan are carrying the Pakistan batting lineup whereas the rest have not looked remotely international standard at times.

Also Pakistani lineup are sitting ducks against bouncers. They average worse than BD. When the rest of your lineup is just above minnow standard, Bobby and Riz should not be copping so much flak.

 

[Mobashir]

Even tought conditions are mostly batting frieldnly everywhere in the world. These two recent series in India really puts Indian batters performances into perspective.
Striking under 150 or even is out of question in these conditions. Roussow scored an efortless 48 ball hundred, same for Miller on the other day.

Is it possible to have to average first innings score by country in witch the match is played?

 

[Mobashir]

Babar is not an elite T20 batter but perhaps we have to keep in mind that him and Rizwan are carrying the Pakistan batting lineup whereas the rest have not looked remotely international standard at times.

Also Pakistani lineup are sitting ducks against bouncers. They average worse than BD. When the rest of your lineup is just above minnow standard, Bobby and Riz should not be copping so much flak.

Rohit has been so poor, two ducks and a 37 ball 43 in a 240 score. Never would have Babar or Rizwan got away with these kind of stats.
The double standards are obvious.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

. Never would have Babar or Rizwan got away with these kind of stats.
The double standards are obvious.

Watch Babar's performance in Asia cup again.

As far as high scores are considered, you should again watch the recent series Eng vs Pak where a C grade England scored 200 consistently.

 

[Mobashir]

One of the reasons may be I think the opposition doesn't see Babar as a "threat" in T20, just a maybe is his six-hitting ratios? Maybe it is just a subconscious perception.

Last 5 years against 8 major nations between Indian/Pakistan batsmen. I understand openers cannot have crazy ratios like Andre Russell who has a six every 4.86 balls. But it is still less frequent to instill fear in the opposition.



Rizwan Every 24 balls 1 six
Babar Every 41 balls 1 six
Hafeez Every 14 balls 1 six
Fakhar Every 20 balls 1 six
Asif Every 13 balls 1 six
Shadab Every 11 balls 1 six
Faheem Every 13 balls 1 six

As a comparison

Rohit Every 12 balls 1 six
Kohli Every 18 balls 1 six
Rahul Every 17 balls 1 six
SKY Every 10 balls 1 six
Pandya Every 14 balls 1 six
Iyer Every 21 balls 1 six

Abysmal

I feel sorry for the Babar/Rizwan fans who are happy with our mediocrity

Another 53 balls without hitting a six...

I feel sorry for those who don't have any logic...

 

[Rana]

Another 53 balls without hitting a six...

I feel sorry for those who don't have any logic...

Amazing

It feels like we have chased 200 Mubashir bhai

 

[Ab Fan]

Suryakumar and Rizwan are the best Asian T20 batsman in the world. Rizwan due to performance in ICC tournaments and Surya due to high risk high impact knocks.

Babar is behind these two as he is a statistician delight and bilateral bully scoring at 130 strike rate on average, basically an upgraded version of S Iyer.

 

[Mobashir]

Amazing

It feels like we have chased 200 Mubashir bhai

We don't often chase 200. And the few times we have chased 200 you can see how we did it.

The post had nothing to do with the win or with the score of Babar. Just to show you and Jnaveen that you guys lack logic.

 

[Rana]

We don't often chase 200. And the few times we have chased 200 you can see how we did it.

The post had nothing to do with the win or with the score of Babar. Just to show you and Jnaveen that you guys lack logic.

But Babar is an opener and he plays 15-20 balls with only 2 fielders allowed outside! Openers are encouraged to go aerial and maximise

Maybe the ICC powerplay rules lack logic too?

 

[Mobashir]

But Babar is an opener and he plays 15-20 balls with only 2 fielders allowed outside! Openers are encouraged to go aerial and maximise

Maybe the ICC powerplay rules lack logic too?

Ok!
Now you have made sure to me that you don't know cricket and you haven't played cricket.

The powerplay rule don't favor six hitting but favor fours. You just need to find the gap and it's four or time the ball over the infield.

But this is not the discussion. The real point is who cares if the runs come in fours or sixes?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Another 53 balls without hitting a six...

I feel sorry for those who don't have any logic...

What is important is you are happy I don't have a problem with Babar's lack of sixes

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Ok!
Now you have made sure to me that you don't know cricket and you haven't played cricket.

The powerplay rule don't favor six hitting but favor fours. You just need to find the gap and it's four or time the ball over the infield.

But this is not the discussion. The real point is who cares if the runs come in fours or sixes?

Fours are fine, but isn't the easiest way to clear the in-field by hitting over them?

 

[Mobashir]

Fours are fine, but isn't the easiest way to clear the in-field by hitting over them?

In the powerplay, even when you "hit" over the in field you just time the ball over it and it's more often for fours and not sixes. Bevause it's lot easier to just time it over the infield rather than force it for six. Apart for maybe the pull shot that you help on it's way.

 

[Rana]

Fours are fine, but isn't the easiest way to clear the in-field by hitting over them?

You clearly don’t know or haven’t played cricket with such basic arguments…

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Suryakumar and Rizwan are the best Asian T20 batsman in the world. Rizwan due to performance in ICC tournaments and Surya due to high risk high impact knocks.

Babar is behind these two as he is a statistician delight and bilateral bully scoring at 130 strike rate on average, basically an upgraded version of S Iyer.

In the Rizwan vs Pant thread you were calling Rizwan the biggest stats padder in the history of T20 cricket. And now in this thread he is the best T20 asian batsman in the world? Are you alright? Why do you keep flip-flopping here?

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...nt-vs-Mohammad-Rizwan&p=11570601#post11570601

In this thread Babar is a statistician delight and bilateral bully for you. May be in another thread you will call him the best batsman in the world too. Point is your opinion changes everyday and shouldn't be taken seriously. You are as consistent as Hardik Pandya is in cricket.

 

[Ab Fan]

In the Rizwan vs Pant thread you were calling Rizwan the biggest stats padder in the history of T20 cricket. And now in this thread he is the best T20 asian batsman in the world? Are you alright? Why do you keep flip-flopping here?

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...nt-vs-Mohammad-Rizwan&p=11570601#post11570601

In this thread Babar is a statistician delight and bilateral bully for you. May be in another thread you will call him the best batsman in the world too. Point is your opinion changes everyday and shouldn't be taken seriously. You are as consistent as Hardik Pandya is in cricket.

Both Babar and Rizwan are statistician delight and anchors, good for scoring at 130 rate. However, Rizwan has more performances in ICC t20 tournaments than Babar which makes him better than Babar. A stat padder can be better than another stat padder, nothing surprising about this.

In T20 cricket, neither of the two men are in league of Kohli and Rohit while the relatively new( experience wise) Suryakumar has already shown more spark in some of his innings than the Pakistani duo has shown in their entire T20 career. Hope that answers your question although we all know you will pretend like it didn't by being dumb but that's besides the point

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Both Babar and Rizwan are statistician delight and anchors, good for scoring at 130 rate. However, Rizwan has more performances in ICC t20 tournaments than Babar which makes him better than Babar. A stat padder can be better than another stat padder, nothing surprising about this.

In T20 cricket, neither of the two men are in league of Kohli and Rohit while the relatively new( experience wise) Suryakumar has already shown more spark in some of his innings than the Pakistani duo has shown in their entire T20 career. Hope that answers your question although we all know you will pretend like it didn't by being dumb but that's besides the point

I don't want you to embarrass yourself further but since you replied to my post I have to do the honour again.

According to you both Rizwan and Babar are statistician delight but I have seen you blindly support a batsman with an average of 24 and a strike rate of 126. In his case you said 'potential matters' whereas I saw you post 'career stats matter' when a member was putting a question mark over Sky's performances in important matches and tournaments.

I like Sky as a batsman and I think he is the only exciting player in the team now but he hasn't done anything special in the two tournaments he featured in. If you are calling Babar a bilateral bully then shouldn't you say the same about Sky too? I know you know this but you will pretend like you don't by being dumb but that besides the point because you are a flip-flopper who can never be consistent with his views here.

 

[Mobashir]

Both Babar and Rizwan are statistician delight and anchors, good for scoring at 130 rate. However, Rizwan has more performances in ICC t20 tournaments than Babar which makes him better than Babar. A stat padder can be better than another stat padder, nothing surprising about this.

In T20 cricket, neither of the two men are in league of Kohli and Rohit while the relatively new( experience wise) Suryakumar has already shown more spark in some of his innings than the Pakistani duo has shown in their entire T20 career. Hope that answers your question although we all know you will pretend like it didn't by being dumb but that's besides the point

Surya has indeed shown more spark than Babar and Rizwan have in their 5 years career but also more than Kohli and Sharma in their 15 years career.

Kohli has been very good even in T20's, but Rohit isn't fit to be named along Babar Azam. He has nothing, no average, no SR, no wc performances, no performances against good bowling attacks.

He is an below average T20I player. He better compares to the likes of Dhawan, Rahul, Roy, Fakhar...

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

In the powerplay, even when you "hit" over the in field you just time the ball over it and it's more often for fours and not sixes. Bevause it's lot easier to just time it over the infield rather than force it for six. Apart for maybe the pull shot that you help on it's way.

One of the criticisms of Babar and Rizwan as an opening pair is they play classical shots, and Babar especially is reluctant to hit the ball over the infield, he likes to play his strokes on the floor. Now I am a fan of both players, but I do think there should be one opener who is prepared to hit over the infield and take full advantage of the field restrictions.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

One of the criticisms of Babar and Rizwan as an opening pair is they play classical shots, and Babar especially is reluctant to hit the ball over the infield, he likes to play his strokes on the floor. Now I am a fan of both players, but I do think there should be one opener who is prepared to hit over the infield and take full advantage of the field restrictions.

Fakhar and Rizwan could open the inning with Babar coming at 3 but then you won't see the consistent starts which Pakistan is getting these days.

 

[Mobashir]

Away stats in SENA :

Babar : averages 55.53, SR 142.70
Kohli : Average 40.15, SR 138.44
Sharma : average 30.60, SR 139.59.

Babar plays at a better SR than these two. It's proven again and again. Sharma, well he should not be in the discussion, he is just above Hafeez as a t20I batsman (at best).

Sample size is also okaish, more than 20 innings for all three.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Away stats in SENA :

Babar : averages 55.53, SR 142.70
Kohli : Average 40.15, SR 138.44
Sharma : average 30.60, SR 139.59.

Babar plays at a better SR than these two. It's proven again and again. Sharma, well he should not be in the discussion, he is just above Hafeez as a t20I batsman (at best).

Sample size is also okaish, more than 20 innings for all three.

Rohit Sharma underachieved in T20s and tests.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Away stats in SENA :

Babar : averages 55.53, SR 142.70
Kohli : Average 40.15, SR 138.44
Sharma : average 30.60, SR 139.59.

Babar plays at a better SR than these two. It's proven again and again. Sharma, well he should not be in the discussion, he is just above Hafeez as a t20I batsman (at best).

Sample size is also okaish, more than 20 innings for all three.

Manish Pandey must be better than Rohit/Kohli given that he averages 106 at a strike rate of 140 in those parts. lol

 

[shamaan]

Suryakumar and Rizwan are the best Asian T20 batsman in the world. Rizwan due to performance in ICC tournaments and Surya due to high risk high impact knocks.

Babar is behind these two as he is a statistician delight and bilateral bully scoring at 130 strike rate on average, basically an upgraded version of S Iyer.

So you finally agree Rizwan is way above Pant in t20s.

 

[shamaan]

Kohli>Babar>Rizwan>Rohit.

 

[Mobashir]

Manish Pandey must be better than Rohit/Kohli given that he averages 106 at a strike rate of 140 in those parts. lol

Who is he? Will like to know him more.

 

[MHN1293]

Rohit is honestly one of the most overrated t201 batsmen currently. Sure once in 8 innings he can take you off to a flier but similar is the case with most other hard hitting batsmen. Whereas rest of the time be would be playing 15 off 15 type knocks

 

[Mobashir]

Rohit is honestly one of the most overrated t201 batsmen currently. Sure once in 8 innings he can take you off to a flier but similar is the case with most other hard hitting batsmen. Whereas rest of the time be would be playing 15 off 15 type knocks

Before his latest decision to take bowlers on from ball 1 from about 6 months I am sure he has one of the worst SR in the power play.

 

[Ab Fan]

Surya has indeed shown more spark than Babar and Rizwan have in their 5 years career but also more than Kohli and Sharma in their 15 years career.

Kohli has been very good even in T20's, but Rohit isn't fit to be named along Babar Azam. He has nothing, no average, no SR, no wc performances, no performances against good bowling attacks.

He is an below average T20I player. He better compares to the likes of Dhawan, Rahul, Roy, Fakhar...

Why isn't Rohit fit to be named along Babar Azam? His strike rate is 140+ and has multiple hundreds to his name.

Dhawan and Fakhar both are mediocre T20 players. Rahul is better than both but at the moment just a bilateral bully.

Rohit is leagues above all of them, he has performances vs everyone. Babar also doesn't have a WC standout performance either. He played match losing knocks vs Afghanistan and Australia.

 

[Ab Fan]

So you finally agree Rizwan is way above Pant in t20s.

Congratulations for forcing me to post that Rizwan is way above Pant in T20s as of now in 2022, as if I have been denying this for long.