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Lord’s is being lined up as the host venue for the final of the proposed two-tier World Test Championship, with the International Cricket Council also investigating whether the new competition can begin as early as next year.

Dave Richardson, the ICC chief executive, recently confirmed that plans are being drawn up for a revamped structure that would involve the creation of two divisions for Test cricket – made up of seven and five teams, with promotion and relegation – with 2019 originally considered the first opportunity in which to implement it.

However, an alternative plan is also being explored by Richardson and the ICC general manager, Geoff Allardice, that would bring the start date forward to next year and see the league system run over a four-year cycle. This course of action would require adjustments to the current future tours programme that has bilateral Test fixtures locked in until the middle of 2019.


The overriding principle of giving bilateral series greater meaning and structure in future – as cited by Richardson when first discussing the World Test Championship – was endorsed by the ICC’s cricket committee last week and now the proposals are set to be debated at the governing body’s annual conference in Edinburgh that begins on 27 June.

Whichever format is adopted, there is a growing desire that the competition has a marquee Test final in 2021, with Lord’s considered the natural host venue given its history and enduring attraction for all international touring sides.


In addition to this, it is believed that the ground’s ability to tap into London’s cosmopolitan population, should England not be one of the two teams competing, increases the prospect of the final being a sellout, something deemed essential if the World Test Championship is to be a success. This preferred status will be welcomed by the MCC, who have become increasingly anxious about their prospects of hosting two Tests per summer beyond 2019 as the England and Wales Cricket Board considers trimming the number of home fixtures.

From 2020 onwards, England could see the seven home Tests they now play cut to six or possibly five, as the ECB looks to introduce a new domestic Twenty20 competition that would rival the Indian Premier League or Australia’s Big Bash League.

Lord’s was originally slated to host the final of a four-team knockout Test championship under a plan drawn up by ICC and MCC in 2009, before the tournament was postponed in 2013 and then cancelled for 2017 due to a lack of interest from broadcasters, with the 50-over Champions Trophy replacing it both times.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/10/lords-world-test-championship-icc-2017
 
I'd rather see it be played at the MCG, it would be amazing to see 90,000 fans watching a Test match.
 
Awesome news. Where else but the home of cricket. Better late than never I suppose.
 
The more important news is that the test championship maybe started as early as next year, rather than the final venue.
 
Final should be played in one of the country which reach the final.
 
Venue is perfect historical reasons wise.. But I still think final should be best of three one in home country for each country and third one at a neutral venue for that you can chose lords..
 
They had their chance to make it next year and India weren't in the top four. Now India are in the top 4..it's suddenly taking shape?!
 
The only venue that makes sense.

Lord's is and always will be the home of Test cricket.
 
I'd rather see it be played at the MCG, it would be amazing to see 90,000 fans watching a Test match.

Let's get one final at the way first before changing it.

And you can see 90,000 fans watching a test match every Ashes Boxing Day Test

Lord's deserves the first final and after that I think the reigning champions should host
 
Interesting news...although I'm afraid of the ramifications of limiting Test cricket to just 7 nations.
 
Has the risk of devaluing the final if England don't make the final and a poor crowd turns up. The other sticking point would be if say SA are the top ranked team and play England the curators will be making a pitch to favour England. Home advantage should be given to the top qualifier no ifs or buts.
 
I'd rather see it be played at the MCG, it would be amazing to see 90,000 fans watching a Test match.

The G would attract at most 40k spectators if Australia isn't involved leaving large swathes of the ground desolate which will create a soulless atmosphere. Even if Australia play the final, I don't see it selling out unless it's the Boxing Day test.
 
great idea to have lords as the final venue but a disaster for pakistan cricket if its two tiered!
 
Too premature to decide this. I think this will change quickly and even before the final depending on who is playing and what the broadcaster wants.

But again we are counting the chickens before they hatch. Let's first get this thing going first, which itself seems to be pipe dream.
 
The G would attract at most 40k spectators if Australia isn't involved leaving large swathes of the ground desolate which will create a soulless atmosphere. Even if Australia play the final, I don't see it selling out unless it's the Boxing Day test.

If Australia make the final it will guaranteed to be sold out.
 
Final should be played in one of the country which reach the final.

it will be one sided then...always expect the visitor lose if this happens.. Lord's being a neutral venue is good... if England plays the final then need to consider MCG. if it was eng v aus then another neutral venue should be chosen.
 
Lords has a slope and low capacity all in all its a fuddy duddy out of date stadia it should be placed in a newer stadium maybe at the rosebowl
 
I already said this before. India's monster home season this year is to make sure they rack up enough points to remain in Top 2. They did well to remain in top 4 after all the over seas tours in the past few years. This home season will probably get them to No.1 and hence be a part of Tier 1 for a long time
 
Venue is perfect historical reasons wise.. But I still think final should be best of three one in home country for each country and third one at a neutral venue for that you can chose lords..

Good proposal but not feasible. Getting enough attention for 1 test game is itself a challenge. Best of 3 and that too in different countries sounds good theoretically but cannot be implemented due to logistical reasons
 
Lords has a slope and low capacity all in all its a fuddy duddy out of date stadia it should be placed in a newer stadium maybe at the rosebowl

Lords is still officially the largest capacity ground (pending the finishing of rebuilding the Warner stand) in England and it's not like it's facilities are out of date in any way.
 
I already said this before. India's monster home season this year is to make sure they rack up enough points to remain in Top 2. They did well to remain in top 4 after all the over seas tours in the past few years. This home season will probably get them to No.1 and hence be a part of Tier 1 for a long time

India will never be relegated due to ability
 
Let's get one final at the way first before changing it.

And you can see 90,000 fans watching a test match every Ashes Boxing Day Test

Lord's deserves the first final and after that I think the reigning champions should host
For a more meaningful prize.

I just don't like the idea of having such a historic event played in front of 30,000 people, it deserves a big match atmosphere of the MCG.
 
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Let's get one final at the way first before changing it.

And you can see 90,000 fans watching a test match every Ashes Boxing Day Test

Lord's deserves the first final and after that I think the reigning champions should host
1994 - 51,620
1998 - 61,580
2002 - 64,189
2006 - 89,155
2010 - 84,345
2013 - 91,112
 
England always the best place for test cricket!!!! and 2nd to Bangladesh for a multi-nation tournament
 
Neither will England and Australia. All other sides will eventually face relegation at some point. Which makes the relegation concept idiotic and an elitist farce.

neither will South Africa or Pakistan

Look at the teams outside the top 7 and tell me that in an even fixture that they'd ever out rank a major cricket nation?
 
neither will South Africa or Pakistan

Look at the teams outside the top 7 and tell me that in an even fixture that they'd ever out rank a major cricket nation?

Well South Africa have increasingly been pushing racial quotas, from what it seems like so while they may never fall like Zimbabwe, they can go the way of the West Indies.

Sri Lanka are currently in the top 7 and you see how they are struggling right now. What if their rebuilding phase takes 10 years or more?

Pakistan has been rebuilding their limited overs side for 10+ years and are now ranked squarely 9th. What guarantee is there that the same thing won't happen in Tests? Not to mention the fragile political situation.

New Zealand have a golden generation, before 2011 they were mediocre for 80 years, most likely they will return to that after this generation of players.

India, Australia, and England are the only safe teams because they have solid finances, politics, and deep talent pools. They will never rank lower than 5th for any reasonable length of time.

Outside the top 7, there is very little seperating West Indies and Bangladesh from Sri Lanka who are in the top 7, further proving the futility of such a system by a delusional David Richardson. There are going to be mismatches when Sri Lanka plays in England, NZ, India, or Australia and there will be mismatches when Pakistan plays in England, AUS, SA, NZ.

The top 7 will not address even a single one of the "concerns" the game has. My system and the one you had proposed back in 2014 are both infinitely better ideas that what has been proposed thus far.
 
Well South Africa have increasingly been pushing racial quotas, from what it seems like so while they may never fall like Zimbabwe, they can go the way of the West Indies.

Sri Lanka are currently in the top 7 and you see how they are struggling right now. What if their rebuilding phase takes 10 years or more?

Pakistan has been rebuilding their limited overs side for 10+ years and are now ranked squarely 9th. What guarantee is there that the same thing won't happen in Tests? Not to mention the fragile political situation.

New Zealand have a golden generation, before 2011 they were mediocre for 80 years, most likely they will return to that after this generation of players.

India, Australia, and England are the only safe teams because they have solid finances, politics, and deep talent pools. They will never rank lower than 5th for any reasonable length of time.

Outside the top 7, there is very little seperating West Indies and Bangladesh from Sri Lanka who are in the top 7, further proving the futility of such a system by a delusional David Richardson. There are going to be mismatches when Sri Lanka plays in England, NZ, India, or Australia and there will be mismatches when Pakistan plays in England, AUS, SA, NZ.

The top 7 will not address even a single one of the "concerns" the game has. My system and the one you had proposed back in 2014 are both infinitely better ideas that what has been proposed thus far.

Of the teams outside the 7 only Bangladesh will make it to the top tier on a regular basis
 
Of the teams outside the 7 only Bangladesh will make it to the top tier on a regular basis

Dont rule out Afghanistan, Afghans are pure athletes...they already have the bowling strength, which is the hard part. Ireland can be a NZ type team, no reason they cant be. Bangladesh, of course, is most similar to Pakistan for obvious reasons.

Out of the bottom 5, only West Indies has little hope and Zimbabwe are a waste of time and space.
 
Ability has nothing to do with it. They'll ensure through whatever skullduggery they can muster to stop that from happening..

Doesn't matter. West Indies/Zimbabwe are complete rubbish and Sri Lanka are heading that way.
[MENTION=136334]Shutdown Corner[/MENTION] - Afghanistan doesn't have the domestic system in place to produce test standard batsmen consistently.
 
Economics is the better word.

They don't even need to do that.

In a home and away league system India will never do poorly enough to get relegated.

Especially if there are seven teams with at most one team getting relegated

New Zealand and especially Sri Lanka are the vulnerable ones.
 
Doesn't matter. West Indies/Zimbabwe are complete rubbish and Sri Lanka are heading that way.
[MENTION=136334]Shutdown Corner[/MENTION] - Afghanistan doesn't have the domestic system in place to produce test standard batsmen consistently.

The Afghans do have a 3 day league as does Ireland. It may not be first class, but as I have said earlier, status is merely ink on a piece of paper. Division 2 teams may have "Test" status, but even they themselves will know its just an Intercontinental Cup. Similarly, Afg/Ire domestics may not have FC status, but the quality of competition is no worse than Bangladesh's FC league and probably better than Zimbabwe's (which is probably as good as you and your friends hitting the ball around the school yard).

That multiday pedigree has the potential to work in Afghanistan due to the passion they have for the game. Ireland has potential because they work hard and no how to get things done. 15 years ago no one thought Bangladesh would have potential at any level.

The game must be nurtured and that requires some faith.

Even Zimbabwe should not be permanently relegated IMO. Suspend them indefinitely because if a few white players come back (Taylor, Jarvis, Welch, Byrom) Zim will be right back on track.
 
The Afghans do have a 3 day league as does Ireland. It may not be first class, but as I have said earlier, status is merely ink on a piece of paper. Division 2 teams may have "Test" status, but even they themselves will know its just an Intercontinental Cup. Similarly, Afg/Ire domestics may not have FC status, but the quality of competition is no worse than Bangladesh's FC league and probably better than Zimbabwe's (which is probably as good as you and your friends hitting the ball around the school yard).

That multiday pedigree has the potential to work in Afghanistan due to the passion they have for the game. Ireland has potential because they work hard and no how to get things done. 15 years ago no one thought Bangladesh would have potential at any level.

The game must be nurtured and that requires some faith.

Even Zimbabwe should not be permanently relegated IMO. Suspend them indefinitely because if a few white players come back (Taylor, Jarvis, Welch, Byrom) Zim will be right back on track.

3 day league doesn't mean anything.

You need strong cricketing structure from junior level up to consistently produce quality batsmen. This is even more true in the new T20 era (which is why so many teams are relying/relied upon on older players from the previous generation).

Even a historically strong cricketing nation like Pakistan does not have this which is why your batting lineup still depends on some really old veterans and the juniors like Umar Akhmal and Ahmed Shehzad have not come on at all.

Sri Lanka are similarly missing this.

Elite South African schools have historically done the job for South Africa which is why the quota system will lead to difficulties unless they start getting more non white cricketers from the schools.
 
They don't even need to do that.

In a home and away league system India will never do poorly enough to get relegated.

Especially if there are seven teams with at most one team getting relegated

New Zealand and especially Sri Lanka are the vulnerable ones.

Of course, but people always have an axe to grind against the big 3 that they often forget about the economics associated with these things.

For example, it is perfectly possible to host a world cup without having an India vs Pakistan or an Australia vs England fixture. However, you stand to lose a lot of revenue which the ICC would have gained had the fixtures been conducted.

But yeah, it is hard to see the big 3 or the top 5 for that matter getting relegated.
 
Neither will England and Australia. All other sides will eventually face relegation at some point. Which makes the relegation concept idiotic and an elitist farce.

How is it elitist if some team is relegated due to poor ability?


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Lords should be replaced with a bigger stadium, look at football clubs its called progression.
There should be a knock Test Tournament even if it takes six months to do.
Relegation will just demote the game even further where some crickets will lose even more interest.
 
Lords should be replaced with a bigger stadium, look at football clubs its called progression.
There should be a knock Test Tournament even if it takes six months to do.
Relegation will just demote the game even further where some crickets will lose even more interest.

Once again, Lords is the largest cricket ground in the country (pending the rebuilding of the Warner stand) and a nice traditional venue with modern facilities.
 
Once again, Lords is the largest cricket ground in the country (pending the rebuilding of the Warner stand) and a nice traditional venue with modern facilities.

The only thing going for it is the history. 30,000 capacity is very poor. Nice traditional venue?! that's what Arsenal probably had at their old stadium...but they moved to the Emirates. Lords needs a kick to get into the next century. The old fuddy duddy out of touch system needs to change to get younger people into the grounds. Really they still wear ties to go and watch a day of cricket.
 
How is it elitist if some team is relegated due to poor ability?


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Because the sport itself is only played by 10 or fewer teams at the top level. Relegation exists in leagues where there are too many teams. Same people who are for relegation then complain about too many India-Sri Lanka matches like a bunch of idiots.
 
The only thing going for it is the history. 30,000 capacity is very poor. Nice traditional venue?! that's what Arsenal probably had at their old stadium...but they moved to the Emirates. Lords needs a kick to get into the next century. The old fuddy duddy out of touch system needs to change to get younger people into the grounds. Really they still wear ties to go and watch a day of cricket.

30,000 is absolutely fine for England, nothing larger is needed than that hence why no one has made the effort or signalled any effort to get higher than that. Only a few thousand of those 30,000 in the crowd are suited and tied and the majority of the rest is available to the general public and you'll still see a large amount of children in the ground. It's still the venue everyone wants to play at and hasn't fallen behind in terms of its facilities in any way at all.
 
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30,000 is absolutely fine for England, nothing larger is needed than that hence why no one has made the effort or signalled any effort to get higher than that. Only a few thousand of those 30,000 in the crowd are suited and tied and the majority of the rest is available to the general public and you'll still see a large amount of children in the ground. It's still the venue everyone wants to play at and hasn't fallen behind in terms of its facilities in any way at all.

I am not convinced how many football matches at club level on a weekend have more than 30000 fans in. This is England they need a bigger stadium, with better parking facilities. Also a relaxed attitude is needed. As far as players are concerned they would prefer to play in front a bigger crowd....not a dampened down atmosphere, the home of cricket now everyone knows is India or aid. Lords is last century! It Is overhyped
 
I am not convinced how many football matches at club level on a weekend have more than 30000 fans in. This is England they need a bigger stadium, with better parking facilities. Also a relaxed attitude is needed. As far as players are concerned they would prefer to play in front a bigger crowd....

On an average basis 13 however football has a huge amount more supporters and attendees. Like I said there's a reason none of the 18 grounds in the country with all their marketing experts and data haven't even considered going over 30,000. A ground in central London also doesn't need parking facilities, various multi storey car parks are available in the area and the majority will make their way in using public transport, predominantly the tube.
 
On an average basis 13 however football has a huge amount more supporters and attendees. Like I said there's a reason none of the 18 grounds in the country with all their marketing experts and data haven't even considered going over 30,000. A ground in central London also doesn't need parking facilities, various multi storey car parks are available in the area and the majority will make their way in using public transport, predominantly the tube.

30,000 is not enough, these are the figures (below) before Immigration from Cricket Playing nations and less population. Something very wrong with how cricket is being handled in England. I wonder how many people would go i.e. Disabled if better facilities were available. If proper parking was available. Lords overall really looks out of date, attitude and facilities wise. Anyway just my opinion.......


ODI
93,000 England v Australia** Lord's 1945

Tests
158,000 England v Australia Leeds 1948
137,915 England v Australia Leeds 1953
141,967 England v West Indies Lord's 2004
142,945 England v Australia Lord's 2009
140,111 England v India Lord's 2011
 
30,000 is not enough, these are the figures (below) before Immigration from Cricket Playing nations and less population. Something very wrong with how cricket is being handled in England. I wonder how many people would go i.e. Disabled if better facilities were available. If proper parking was available. Lords overall really looks out of date, attitude and facilities wise. Anyway just my opinion.......


ODI
93,000 England v Australia** Lord's 1945

Tests
158,000 England v Australia Leeds 1948
137,915 England v Australia Leeds 1953
141,967 England v West Indies Lord's 2004
142,945 England v Australia Lord's 2009
140,111 England v India Lord's 2011

Slightly curious over your ODI stat from 1945... you've managed to pull out one example of Lords exceeding it's current 150,000 capacity over 5 days and that was 68 years back now. Anything larger than 30,000 simply isn't required.

You keep staying that the facilities look out of date yet the only thing you can specify is parking which is practically non existent in any central London sporting venue. If you watch a game at Lords, even on the TV its fairly evident that disabled facilities are readily available as you will see numerous people seated on wheelchairs in front of the stands and at the back of the grand stand.
 
Slightly curious over your ODI stat from 1945... you've managed to pull out one example of Lords exceeding it's current 150,000 capacity over 5 days and that was 68 years back now. Anything larger than 30,000 simply isn't required.

You keep staying that the facilities look out of date yet the only thing you can specify is parking which is practically non existent in any central London sporting venue. If you watch a game at Lords, even on the TV its fairly evident that disabled facilities are readily available as you will see numerous people seated on wheelchairs in front of the stands and at the back of the grand stand.

The stat was from Cricinfo or ECB Website. Cricket is the second biggest sport in the world.
With people coming over from all over the world especially cricketing countries the attendancies should not have gone done but increased.

For a ground to be thought of as the home of cricket 30,000 capacity is a sad situation.

Lords is really out of date the home of cricket really needs to move to a more northern area.
The attitude in the ground is out of date too.
Really cricket is losing its soul to a few old fashioned out of date ideas.....
It needs to be brought up to date in England.
 
The stat was from Cricinfo or ECB Website. Cricket is the second biggest sport in the world.
With people coming over from all over the world especially cricketing countries the attendancies should not have gone done but increased.

For a ground to be thought of as the home of cricket 30,000 capacity is a sad situation.

Lords is really out of date the home of cricket really needs to move to a more northern area.
The attitude in the ground is out of date too.
Really cricket is losing its soul to a few old fashioned out of date ideas.....
It needs to be brought up to date in England.

So basically your only issue with it is that a very small proportion of people in the ground wear suit and ties?
 
So the result of the final match is a "draw." Who wins the trophy? If the prize money is significantly different from the 1st place team to the 2nd place team; I'd be mad if I was the second team. Just saying!!
 
So basically your only issue with it is that a very small proportion of people in the ground wear suit and ties?

NO you misunderstand, but it doesn't matter you are entitled to your opinion.
I don't agree with you there is too many reasons for a new ground with better facilities including near local parking, less stuffy atmosphere. The next world cup final is going to be held at Lords, are you telling me that cannot be sold out two or three times over. Nice traditional is so last century......but if that's your thing than that's fine! Anyway lets leave it at that! agree to disagree....:runaway: :wave
 
NO you misunderstand, but it doesn't matter you are entitled to your opinion.
I don't agree with you there is too many reasons for a new ground with better facilities including near local parking, less stuffy atmosphere. The next world cup final is going to be held at Lords, are you telling me that cannot be sold out two or three times over. Nice traditional is so last century......but if that's your thing than that's fine! Anyway lets leave it at that! agree to disagree....:runaway: :wave

Fair enough, not sure you can build a huge ground specially because you know you could sell out a world cup final in it every 20 years or so though. And again a central London venue (not just a cricket venue) doesn't need it's own parking facilities for the public. There will always be some multi storeys in the area and the vaste majority of people will come on via public transport.
 
ICC CONTEMPLATES 4-YEAR TEST CYCLE & LORD’S FINAL

The planners of world cricket will be huddled together for the next couple of days in Dubai to chalk out a fresh schedule for the game. The International Cricket Council (ICC) is contemplating coming up with a new calendar that will replace the existing Future Tours Programme (FTP) from April 2019. The meeting will take place at ICC headquarters on Monday and Tuesday. As of now, the proposal is to have a four-year international plan for a Test championship that will culminate with a one-off Test at Lord’s in 2023.

It is obvious the top two teams during the four-year cycle will take part in the ‘final Test’ that will determine the world Test champions, but the question ‘what if England are not in the top two’ has not yet been addressed. Going forward, that topic may come up because if the top two teams are India/Australia/South Africa/Pakistan, they may like to play at Wankhede, MCG, Wanderers or even in Dubai but one understands there is some more time for that discussion.

At this juncture, the plan is to stage a few games among nine teams (minus Zimbabwe, Afghanistan and Ireland) and the final at Lord’s in 2023. According to sources in the ICC and other boards, the Test championship cycle will necessitate each team to play twice against every other country in these four years. What will constitute a full-fledged series is something that will be determined during the meeting. The idea is to have series that will have a minimum of three Tests, although bilateral series involving India and England could have five Tests.

Of course, England and Australia will always prefer to play five Tests. The other decision that will require brainstorming is the method to identify the finalists. There is a chance that the top two could be as per the ICC Test rankings but there is also a suggestion to determine the positions on the basis of points from each Test won, lost or drawn. The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) will also have the added issue of clarifying things on the tricky bilateral games with Pakistan. CEO Rahul Johri will be representing the BCCI.

http://ahmedabadmirror.indiatimes.c...st-cycle-lords-final/articleshow/60136006.cms
 
On Monday 16th September a breaking ground ceremony will be held at Lord’s Cricket Ground, marking the official start of construction on site for the redevelopment of the Compton and Edrich stands.

As an unforgettable season of cricket draws to a close at Lord’s, the two new three-tier stands are part of the MCC’s Masterplan which completed its first phase with the newly constructed Warner Stand, which opened in 2017. The phased construction of the new Compton and Edrich stands is scheduled for completion in 2021. ISG have been appointed as the construction contractor to make this project come to life.

The two new stands will increase Ground capacity to 31,000 with an additional 2,600 seats, and will provide excellent accessibility and world-class spectator amenities. Designed by double Stirling Prize winners, WilkinsonEyre, the new stands means that Lord’s will continue to offer unrivalled facilities, service and experience, whilst preserving the unique charm and special character of the Home of Cricket.

ISG were responsible for the construction of the Velodrome, built for the London 2012 Olympic Games, and the new grandstand and refurbishment of existing facilities at Ascot Racecourse.
 
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