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Make no mistake - T20I rankings do not hold any importance

Waiting for the thread “Make no mistake - Test rankings do not hold any importance” post Pak vs NZ test series.
 
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Agree wholeheartedly The focus and emphasis should be on test wins then odi esp with the World Cup next year

I’ve no idea why so much importance is being placed by Pakistan on meaningless bilateral t20 wins when half the other playing countries hardly care about them
 
Hawkeye said:
T20s are a gamble. And require no thinking or strategy (as compared to ODIs/Tests). Just swing your bat.

It's good temporary fun.

But nobody, no team takes them seriously. It's fun time for a lot of teams. Of course they go out there to win.

No team takes T20Is more seriously than we do. And where we really stand, we have gotten a reality check in the Asia Cup.

Struggling to beat AFG, BD!

Wait.. we have lost consecutive 4 ODIs to BD already.
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Things happen, India lost to WI and drew with Afghans, Eng lost to Scotland. These are far worse than Pak losing to BD.

Teams do take t20s seriously thats why Aus , SA and Ind are playing their full strength squads in upcoming Ind-Aus and Sa-Aus t20 series.

Now i am not sure whether you are serious or trolling.
 
Hawkeye said:
So, we have won yet another T20 series.

Great! Sarfraz is back to his shouting and celebrations as if we've won the world cup.

Congrats to everyone.

But, let's not forget that this form of cricket is there for just light entertainment.

Your importance and ratings in the cricket world do not hold much weight if you're "no. 1" in T20s.

BUT, not even in Top 5 in ODIs, or barely at #5 in Tests.


This does not mean you cannot celebrate a T20I win. Sure, you can!

But, history shows that we become complacent and think ALL IS WELL when we win something of not that great importance.


We must acknowledge we have to improve. And not judge our players, or team by T20 performances.
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Agreed! The team and fans deserve to celebrate the t20 victories but let this not make you forget that we're still trash in ODis, and average in tests. Hopefully the Pak team don't let these series wins get to their heads and focus on improving in the other formats of the game. But other than that, I'm happy I know t20 isn't the most significant format of the game but it is the format I started watching Cricket with back in the 2009 wc win. Well done to Pak for maintaining their ranking... but can't only dominate in one format and suck at the rest.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Things happen, India lost to WI and drew with Afghans, Eng lost to Scotland. These are far worse than Pak losing to BD.

Teams do take t20s seriously thats why Aus , SA and Ind are playing their full strength squads in upcoming Ind-Aus and Sa-Aus t20 series.

Now i am not sure whether you are serious or trolling.
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Really, you really believe that?

Those are one-off events. And quality, competitiveness, win percentage of those teams is reflected in high ODI/Test rankings.

Where do we stand, bruh? How is #7 not a humiliation - that's borderline minnow.

"Things happen" you say? We've lost consecutively to all the top ranked ODI teams since 2017. Whitewashes.
 
Hawkeye said:
Really, you really believe that?

Those are one-off events. And quality, competitiveness, win percentage of those teams is reflected in high ODI/Test rankings.

Where do we stand, bruh? How is #7 not a humiliation - that's borderline minnow.

"Things happen" you say? We've lost consecutively to all the top ranked ODI teams since 2017. Whitewashes.
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Hain last i checked we were no 5 in odis. Correct your facts bhai.
And also in 2017 we won CT which holds more value than our whitewash against NZ (whitewashes kon sai?) and 2 loses against India.

We were no 8 and on the verge of playing qualifiers for world cup thanks to Misbah and his recommendation Azhar and now we are no 5 in odis so a decent improvement.
 
Any ranking does hold some importance - at least it's indicative of consistence in performance (good or bad). I think, T20 rankings (position) changes too frequently, because the gap among similar teams (say take a block of adjacent 4-5 teams) are too close, the gap between top tier vs bottom tier teams are much closer than any other format. Also, less number of T20I is played, which makes one game more impactful in terms of ranking point than ODI.

I would rather say, of the three rankings, T20 is least significant; but still being No. 1, is indeed a credit for any team.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Hain last i checked we were no 5 in odis. Correct your facts bhai.
And also in 2017 we won CT which holds more value than our whitewash against NZ (whitewashes kon sai?) and 2 loses against India.

We were no 8 and on the verge of playing qualifiers for world cup thanks to Misbah and his recommendation Azhar and now we are no 5 in odis so a decent improvement.
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#7 in tests, my bad.

No, CT that too a potential fluke of yesteryears do not hold any value now.

We've played only 7 matches against decent opposition and lost all of them. = whitewash.
 
MMHS said:
Any ranking does hold some importance - at least it's indicative of consistence in performance (good or bad). I think, T20 rankings (position) changes too frequently, because the gap among similar teams (say take a block of adjacent 4-5 teams) are too close, the gap between top tier vs bottom tier teams are much closer than any other format. Also, less number of T20I is played, which makes one game more impactful in terms of ranking point than ODI.

I would rather say, of the three rankings, T20 is least significant; but still being No. 1, is indeed a credit for any team.
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Yeah, I could have said 'not hold much importance' instead of 'no importance'.
 
Hawkeye said:
#7 in tests, my bad.

No, CT that too a potential fluke of yesteryears do not hold any value now.

We've played only 7 matches against decent opposition and lost all of them. = whitewash.
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You are shifting goalposts with every post.

Tournament jeeto to fluke, bilateral series jeeto to it doesn't hold much importance.

21 topun ki salaami to your great logic bruh!
 
Hawkeye said:
Really, you really believe that?

Those are one-off events. And quality, competitiveness, win percentage of those teams is reflected in high ODI/Test rankings.

Where do we stand, bruh? How is #7 not a humiliation - that's borderline minnow.

"Things happen" you say? We've lost consecutively to all the top ranked ODI teams since 2017. Whitewashes.
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We are ranked #5 FYI :))
 
Ugh.

I have hardly seen Sarfraz so full of energy and excited in ODIs/Tests.

Wish they played the other formats with as much enthusiasm and desire to win.
 
Hawkeye said:
Ugh.

I have hardly seen Sarfraz so full of energy and excited in ODIs/Tests.

Wish they played the other formats with as much enthusiasm and desire to win.
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You must have missed the test series where not only full of energy celebrating wickets but also scoring substaintial runs in the last test. Bottom line is anything Pakistan wins is not important. We won both test series and T20s against Aus but it's not important because Aus are minnows in Asia. With same argument New Zealand or South Africa should not get any credit for beating us at their home because we are apparently minnows outside UAE and England. Funny thing is when we we r beating West Indies in ODI it was no big deal as it had no Gayle or Bravo , yet same team mighty India struggled to win series against. This is no dig against India but just to point double standards.
 
It's the worst format but it's still a format in international cricket whether you guys like it or not. I would much rather we be no.1 in odis or tests but I'll take t20s as it's better than nothing.
 
I think it's a very good OP. Congratulations to Pakistan on this win, but it barely means anything significant.

I think T20 games should be limited to franchise leagues and should not extend to international level. I don't bother watching international T20 games because more often than not teams use these games for experimentation and trying out fringe players, it hardly evokes any interest. However, leagues like IPL are more interesting when it comes to T20 cricket. It's not just me alone, many of my friends think the same.

Taking nothing away from Pakistan though, easily the most consistent T20 side in the world... The only major team which takes the format seriously and plays it's strongest team (nothing wrong with that) and deservedly No.1.
 
sam_ahm said:
I think it's a very good OP. Congratulations to Pakistan on this win, but it barely means anything significant.

I think T20 games should be limited to franchise leagues and should not extend to international level. I don't bother watching international T20 games because more often than not teams use these games for experimentation and trying out fringe players, it hardly evokes any interest. However, leagues like IPL are more interesting when it comes to T20 cricket. It's not just me alone, many of my friends think the same.

Taking nothing away from Pakistan though, easily the most consistent T20 side in the world... The only major team which takes the format seriously and plays it's strongest team (nothing wrong with that) and deservedly No.1.
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Franchise cricket a real bore unless you are supporting a particular team. I have barely seen more than 5 IPLgames. Watched more psl games not for fun and thrills but to follow progress of new talent. Also all other teams play their best T20 players amongst some new players just like Pak does. Many playing for Pak now and doing well were nobodies couple year ago.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan last 21 T20Is:<br><br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Lost<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Lost<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvNZ</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1057712958070013952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan in T20Is (since 7 September 2016):<br><br>Played 31<br>Won 27<br>Lost 4<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1057713197086662657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Nobody denies we're "ranked" no. 1 in T20s.

The format, out of World T20, does not have much importance and is not a measure of a team's quality either, especially for ODIs and Tests.

This same team would likely struggle on Australian pitches against the fast bowlers in a tournament format. No slow, low pitches for spinners.
 
Hawkeye said:
Nobody denies we're "ranked" no. 1 in T20s.

The format, out of World T20, does not have much importance and is not a measure of a team's quality either, especially for ODIs and Tests.

This same team would likely struggle on Australian pitches against the fast bowlers in a tournament format. No slow, low pitches for spinners.
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You are not such a bad poster as you have made out yourself in recent times just to prove your point and because of grudge against few players.

Lets enjoy the success for now and may be by next World t20 we have Sharjeel back and Asif and Fakhar are established.

Plus we scored 180+ in NZ recently 2 or 3 times.

Kabhi to appreciate kr dia kr yar.

Today it was NZ's first choice team and till the very end they tried their best to win.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
You are not such a bad poster as you have made out yourself in recent times just to prove your point and because of grudge against few players.

Lets enjoy the success for now and may be by next World t20 we have Sharjeel back and Asif and Fakhar are established.

Plus we scored 180+ in NZ recently 2 or 3 times.

Kabhi to appreciate kr dia kr yar.

Today it was NZ's first choice team and till the very end they tried their best to win.
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Dude, the thread wasn't bumped by me.... so why blaming me? :usman

Yes, I agree that today was a far better opposition than Australia's. I rate NZ far higher in these conditions.
 
Hawkeye said:
Dude, the thread wasn't bumped by me.... so why blaming me? :usman

Yes, I agree that today was a far better opposition than Australia's. I rate NZ far higher in these conditions.
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I get your point of our weakness while hitting against pace which certainly is an issue but we dont need to worry too much about World t20 as i think Sharjeel, Fakhar, Babar, Asif and Faheem all will be established t20 player by then and all can strike at a decent rate against fast bowling. Plus there are few explosive bats coming from PSL and domestic so all is not bad.
 
Yes we should make a case to ICC to just abolish this system. I mean think about it Pakistan is on the top of the ranking there must be a flaw in their system! :genius
 
Titan24 said:
Waiting for the thread “Make no mistake - Test rankings do not hold any importance” post Pak vs NZ test series.
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Ahh yes when pakistan does well in tests "No one watches tests"

When we do well in T20I's "T20 Ranking are not significant"
 
Zaz said:
Agree wholeheartedly The focus and emphasis should be on test wins then odi esp with the World Cup next year

I’ve no idea why so much importance is being placed by Pakistan on meaningless bilateral t20 wins when half the other playing countries hardly care about them
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:))) :))) This is 2018 not 2008....
 
T20 ranking is not insignificant. There is a reason why we have a world cup in this format. Besides this is the only form of cricket that may feature at Olympic games. There is even talk of T20 (takes about 3.5 hours for a single match) being part of 2024 games. Realistically speaking 10/10 has a better chance (will take 1.5-2hours maximum)

Soon we could have Olympic T10 Champions
 
It's good to win these game but the only T20s that matter are the World T20. These bilaterals should be used to experiment new players not play a 37 year old at 3 and a 36 year old at 5.
 
Tomorrow is the day.

The day when the team's real test would start.

The series win is a must in ODIs. Enough of wild celebrations in T20s.
 
Nobody believed me.

T20s are crap, nothing format, does not tell you anything about any team's quality.

I don't give a damn if this pathetic team keeps winning each and every match until WT20.

That will still not mean anything. If we're minnows in ODIs.
 
Bumping this thread to ask how many people now feel like chest thumping over the meaningless T20s.

The T20 rankings feel even more bitter now.

So false. So far from reality. Irrelevant to any proper form of cricket.
 
Hawkeye said:
Bumping this thread to ask how many people now feel like chest thumping over the meaningless T20s.

The T20 rankings feel even more bitter now.

So false. So far from reality. Irrelevant to any proper form of cricket.
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there was no need to bump this thread
 
Hawkeye said:
Bumping this thread to ask how many people now feel like chest thumping over the meaningless T20s.

The T20 rankings feel even more bitter now.

So false. So far from reality. Irrelevant to any proper form of cricket.
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Take a hike. One format has nothing to do with the other.

Just because you saying T20s are irrelevant doesn't mean everyone feels the same way.

Most people i know watch more T20s than Test cricket. The crowed also shows which format is becoming "meaningless".

In the end you do not decide what is meaningless. The only one who is bitter is you who keeps burning because of T20 ranking.
 
The clock is ticking. This myth of Pakistan being the best T20 team will be in flames soon.

Some people never learn.
 
Darkrai said:
Take a hike. One format has nothing to do with the other.

Just because you saying T20s are irrelevant doesn't mean everyone feels the same way.

Most people i know watch more T20s than Test cricket. The crowed also shows which format is becoming "meaningless".

In the end you do not decide what is meaningless. The only one who is bitter is you who keeps burning because of T20 ranking.
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Though I agree all 3 formats are important but you cannot deny test cricket is the real deal. There is a reason ICC give test status to only few chosen teams but all play T20 cricket. Playing a 20 over game is much simpler than a 5 day endurance. Test cricket really tests your skills, stamina, calibre to the core. You can fluke a lot of wins by virtue of tulleybaazi in T20 cricket but invariably better team wins on a 5 day game. So though T20 rankings are good for bragging, getting numero uno in test cricket is the main thing.
 
Pak have always been an excellent T20 unit, whether they were languishing at the bottom in ODI's or were at the top in Tests, however now have the credibility to back Pak as the best in T20's.

He isn't doing well in Tests and the team as a whole, plus should potentially be removed as captain from Tests, but Sarfraz has done an incredible job in T20's and deserves all the credit, so no point trying to correlate between the two.
 
Minnow-level team is statistically at #1.

A team where your top 3 has Imam ul Haq in it. This is a joke.

Like I said, these rankings are a joke. We've been shown our place today, in ODIs for years, and now in Tests too.
 
Rankings do not lie. Pakistan beat all other teams fair and square. India may have taken the #1 ranking but it is not Pakistan's fault that there are no bilateral matches between the two teams.
 
This thread has aged well.

The format itself is a fun format. Our people take it too seriously.

And then, our high rankings were a farce. It's good that we're being shown our true place well before the world T20 so we can at least properly prepare and know our faults.

Can't have too many accumulators and Fawad Alams.
 
Hawkeye said:
This thread has aged well.

The format itself is a fun format. Our people take it too seriously.

And then, our high rankings were a farce. It's good that we're being shown our true place well before the world T20 so we can at least properly prepare and know our faults.

Can't have too many accumulators and Fawad Alams.
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Can't have duck machine umer akmal too.
 
Hawkeye said:
This thread has aged well.

The format itself is a fun format. Our people take it too seriously.

And then, our high rankings were a farce. It's good that we're being shown our true place well before the world T20 so we can at least properly prepare and know our faults.

Can't have too many accumulators and Fawad Alams.
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But we can bring back 37-year-old Mohammad Irfan and 35-year-old Wahab Riaz :najam
 
Hawkeye said:
Okay. So, tell me who else should be our wk/bat, someone who can easily play and hit pace, time well.

Name?
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I wonder where this timing and pace hitting ability and excellent keeping goes when he plays for Pakistan?
 
Khan12 said:
someone who's not a duck machine and has a brain.
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Or doesn't cry everytime he gets out (which happens often for very little runs) I wonder when this myth of UA being a big hitter will finish. Hi strike rate is 122 in t20is and 84-86 in ODIs.
 
Danyaalr01 said:
Or doesn't cry everytime he gets out (which happens often for very little runs) I wonder when this myth of UA being a big hitter will finish. Hi strike rate is 122 in t20is and 84-86 in ODIs.
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He's finished time ago. He's a brainless hack nowadays.
 
T20 is the most popular and fastest growing format of the game. If you don't like it - fine, but to say it doesn't matter is just plain stupid
 
coy0607 said:
T20 is the most popular and fastest growing format of the game. If you don't like it - fine, but to say it doesn't matter is just plain stupid
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Apart from our awaam, nobody takes it seriously. Only thing that matters is Wt20.

And [MENTION=138958]Khan12[/MENTION] I'm still waiting for a name.

A wk/bat who can play and hit the pace bowlers, is able to time the ball.
I have one - Umar. Who do you have?
 
Hawkeye said:
Apart from our awaam, nobody takes it seriously. Only thing that matters is Wt20.

And [MENTION=138958]Khan12[/MENTION] I'm still waiting for a name.

A wk/bat who can play and hit the pace bowlers, is able to time the ball.
I have one - Umar. Who do you have?
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Where does this ability of Umar that you talk of go when he plays for Pakistan? I would rather have Rizwan than Umar, at least Rizwan is a better keeper and fitter. T20i cricket doesn't require a set batting order, they can easily just not bat Rizwan. Umar's t20i stats are quite useless. Low average with a low strike rate.
 
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