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Manzoor Pashteen : The Pashtun Altaf Hussain, only worse!

Dynamic young and fearless leader who represents the best of grass roots politics in Pakistan. He, Dawar and Wazir make a great trio. With people like this in our politics we can look forward to a bright future where Establishment has to own up to its mistakes.
 
The same liberals who supported the carpet bombing of Waziristan, are now supporting this movement. Talk about dichotomy.
 
New Messiah of Pakistani Liberal brigade. They supported Altaf for decades with far more blood on his hands so i am expecting them to do same with Pashteen
 
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HussainRx8 said:
The same liberals who supported the carpet bombing of Waziristan, are now supporting this movement. Talk about dichotomy.
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WebGuru said:
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Mian said:
New Messiah of Pakistani Liberal brigade. They supported Altaf for decades with far more blood on his hands so i am expecting them to do same with Pashteen
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Slog said:
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HussainRx8 said:
The same liberals who supported the carpet bombing of Waziristan, are now supporting this movement. Talk about dichotomy.
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WebGuru said:
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Can write essays on this NAME. But i will try to be concise and concrete.

Manzoor Pashteen, poster boy. Self proclaimed Che Guvara. Brother of Nadeem who was a companion of Qari Mohsin Hussain(Mastermind of bomb blasts). So, Manzoor is new face of TTP. At first TTP tried Badmaashi which was flopped and now they are trying to play via politics.

Lets start from the beginning, what where the initial demands of PTM?

Reducing the number of checkpoints, to clear the area of landmines and a solution into the missing person’s dilemma.

About 45 percent of the landmines have been cleared at the expense of the life of more than 100 soldiers. Now, did PTM talked about those Shaheed Soldies who just died due to removal of those landmines? Have they ever praised them?

And lemme tell you most of those landmines were set by TTP, not Army.

Any how Army tried their best to remove those, 2ndly from around 62 checkposts now there are around 11 checkposts. But its still not enouogh for PTM.

The list of missing persons has shortened to 2500 cases the commission is working day and night to resolve the cases. And lemme tell you many of those names are related to TTP.

I have seen several places in KP and FATA when there was no law and order situation and I have also seen these areas after the war against terror had begun. Had the Army not fought against terrorism in FATA and KP? If not, every inch and centimeter of Mehsuds and Mohmands and Khattaks and Yousafzais and Wazirs and Afridis would all have been dead by now – at least most of us, our sisters mothers wives and daughters would have been raped now.

I dare all of you, go to the valley of Teera, ask them. What were the conditions before TTP and after TTP? Where were PTM then?

I wont talk about the Funds stuff as well know from where he is getting all those funds only i would say Manzoor Pashteen is making videos of his devotees carrying red boxes and collecting the charity for Pashtun Tahafuz Movement’s public gatherings, (I would like to know how much did they collect and how much did they spend?), if he reveals the real source of funding that would be great, for I know for sure that millions cannot be raised by unknown people holding red boxes – and only the recent jalsa at Swat would have cost serious millions.

Manzoor Pashteen says that Pashtuns are dying and no one is paying attention to us but did the whole nation not pay attention and not stand with Naqib Ullah Mehsud’s family when he was murdered? The whole nation stood for Naqib Ullah Mehsud just like it stood for Zainab. A young boy Intezar Ahmed, 19 years of age, was also killed in those days in Karachi and it was a shocker too. But in all those killings, ethnicity was not the issue. Media and public reacted to the tyranny and sense of injustice. TTP killers did not choose their targets for their ethnicity; they were equal opportunity offenders who killed us all for impact, and if anything they killed, slaughtered and maimed Pashtuns most of the time. This war was not about ethnicities – someone is trying to bring “ethnicity” into it, and I have a horrible feeling that Manzoor Pashteen is merely a poster boy for those large interests that stand behind all this.

PTM leader and MNA Ali Wazir threaten and call for the murder of army officers and troops. He is using the same language that has been used by Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan here in Waziristan. PTM claims to be a party is also unjustifiable as it is not registered and is involved in spreading the anti-state agenda countrywide.

Pashteen says they are working for the constitutional rights for Pashtun living in KPK and Balochistan. Well, have you people ever seen the flag raised by them?

Their leaders are openly asking for killing of Army troops, so it is peaceful and constitutional?

Manzoor Pashteen calling for mutiny in Army openly. (You can see video evidences).

PTM leader Said Alam Mehsud shout out for an armed uprising in Pashtun speeches and media. Leaders of the ethnocentric group call for violence in front of Urdu and English media outlets and portray themselves as peaceful supporters of Pashtun rights.

Manzoor Pashtun says that he will kill ten soldiers if any one of our men is killed. The statement came to the fore in response to the PTM’s propaganda on Arman Loni’s death after scuffling with the police.

The TTP commander announces support for Pashtun Tahafuz Movement. Are PTM and TTP are two sides of the same coin? “Our entire sympathy is with this movement and we stand behind these friends(PTM) who are raising their voice for prisoners. So our sympathy is with the prisoners.

Wait a minute... which prisoners? Ahmmm, arent they missing persons?

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Hermoine Green said:
Can write essays on this NAME. But i will try to be concise and concrete.

Manzoor Pashteen, poster boy. Self proclaimed Che Guvara. Brother of Nadeem who was a companion of Qari Mohsin Hussain(Mastermind of bomb blasts). So, Manzoor is new face of TTP. At first TTP tried Badmaashi which was flopped and now they are trying to play via politics.

Lets start from the beginning, what where the initial demands of PTM?

Reducing the number of checkpoints, to clear the area of landmines and a solution into the missing person’s dilemma.

About 45 percent of the landmines have been cleared at the expense of the life of more than 100 soldiers. Now, did PTM talked about those Shaheed Soldies who just died due to removal of those landmines? Have they ever praised them?

And lemme tell you most of those landmines were set by TTP, not Army.

Any how Army tried their best to remove those, 2ndly from around 62 checkposts now there are around 11 checkposts. But its still not enouogh for PTM.

The list of missing persons has shortened to 2500 cases the commission is working day and night to resolve the cases. And lemme tell you many of those names are related to TTP.

I have seen several places in KP and FATA when there was no law and order situation and I have also seen these areas after the war against terror had begun. Had the Army not fought against terrorism in FATA and KP? If not, every inch and centimeter of Mehsuds and Mohmands and Khattaks and Yousafzais and Wazirs and Afridis would all have been dead by now – at least most of us, our sisters mothers wives and daughters would have been raped now.

I dare all of you, go to the valley of Teera, ask them. What were the conditions before TTP and after TTP? Where were PTM then?

I wont talk about the Funds stuff as well know from where he is getting all those funds only i would say Manzoor Pashteen is making videos of his devotees carrying red boxes and collecting the charity for Pashtun Tahafuz Movement’s public gatherings, (I would like to know how much did they collect and how much did they spend?), if he reveals the real source of funding that would be great, for I know for sure that millions cannot be raised by unknown people holding red boxes – and only the recent jalsa at Swat would have cost serious millions.

Manzoor Pashteen says that Pashtuns are dying and no one is paying attention to us but did the whole nation not pay attention and not stand with Naqib Ullah Mehsud’s family when he was murdered? The whole nation stood for Naqib Ullah Mehsud just like it stood for Zainab. A young boy Intezar Ahmed, 19 years of age, was also killed in those days in Karachi and it was a shocker too. But in all those killings, ethnicity was not the issue. Media and public reacted to the tyranny and sense of injustice. TTP killers did not choose their targets for their ethnicity; they were equal opportunity offenders who killed us all for impact, and if anything they killed, slaughtered and maimed Pashtuns most of the time. This war was not about ethnicities – someone is trying to bring “ethnicity” into it, and I have a horrible feeling that Manzoor Pashteen is merely a poster boy for those large interests that stand behind all this.

PTM leader and MNA Ali Wazir threaten and call for the murder of army officers and troops. He is using the same language that has been used by Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan here in Waziristan. PTM claims to be a party is also unjustifiable as it is not registered and is involved in spreading the anti-state agenda countrywide.

Pashteen says they are working for the constitutional rights for Pashtun living in KPK and Balochistan. Well, have you people ever seen the flag raised by them?

Their leaders are openly asking for killing of Army troops, so it is peaceful and constitutional?

Manzoor Pashteen calling for mutiny in Army openly. (You can see video evidences).

PTM leader Said Alam Mehsud shout out for an armed uprising in Pashtun speeches and media. Leaders of the ethnocentric group call for violence in front of Urdu and English media outlets and portray themselves as peaceful supporters of Pashtun rights.

Manzoor Pashtun says that he will kill ten soldiers if any one of our men is killed. The statement came to the fore in response to the PTM’s propaganda on Arman Loni’s death after scuffling with the police.

The TTP commander announces support for Pashtun Tahafuz Movement. Are PTM and TTP are two sides of the same coin? “Our entire sympathy is with this movement and we stand behind these friends(PTM) who are raising their voice for prisoners. So our sympathy is with the prisoners.

Wait a minute... which prisoners? Ahmmm, arent they missing persons?

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Excellent post brother and i fully expect PTM sympathizers to ignore it like they always do when someone starts a debate on their favorite topic with facts. I feel bad for them because they can't even call you anti Pakhtun and can't use ethnic card against you.
 
Hermoine Green said:
Can write essays on this NAME. But i will try to be concise and concrete.

Manzoor Pashteen, poster boy. Self proclaimed Che Guvara. Brother of Nadeem who was a companion of Qari Mohsin Hussain(Mastermind of bomb blasts). So, Manzoor is new face of TTP. At first TTP tried Badmaashi which was flopped and now they are trying to play via politics.

Lets start from the beginning, what where the initial demands of PTM?

Reducing the number of checkpoints, to clear the area of landmines and a solution into the missing person’s dilemma.

About 45 percent of the landmines have been cleared at the expense of the life of more than 100 soldiers. Now, did PTM talked about those Shaheed Soldies who just died due to removal of those landmines? Have they ever praised them?

And lemme tell you most of those landmines were set by TTP, not Army.

Any how Army tried their best to remove those, 2ndly from around 62 checkposts now there are around 11 checkposts. But its still not enouogh for PTM.

The list of missing persons has shortened to 2500 cases the commission is working day and night to resolve the cases. And lemme tell you many of those names are related to TTP.

I have seen several places in KP and FATA when there was no law and order situation and I have also seen these areas after the war against terror had begun. Had the Army not fought against terrorism in FATA and KP? If not, every inch and centimeter of Mehsuds and Mohmands and Khattaks and Yousafzais and Wazirs and Afridis would all have been dead by now – at least most of us, our sisters mothers wives and daughters would have been raped now.

I dare all of you, go to the valley of Teera, ask them. What were the conditions before TTP and after TTP? Where were PTM then?

I wont talk about the Funds stuff as well know from where he is getting all those funds only i would say Manzoor Pashteen is making videos of his devotees carrying red boxes and collecting the charity for Pashtun Tahafuz Movement’s public gatherings, (I would like to know how much did they collect and how much did they spend?), if he reveals the real source of funding that would be great, for I know for sure that millions cannot be raised by unknown people holding red boxes – and only the recent jalsa at Swat would have cost serious millions.

Manzoor Pashteen says that Pashtuns are dying and no one is paying attention to us but did the whole nation not pay attention and not stand with Naqib Ullah Mehsud’s family when he was murdered? The whole nation stood for Naqib Ullah Mehsud just like it stood for Zainab. A young boy Intezar Ahmed, 19 years of age, was also killed in those days in Karachi and it was a shocker too. But in all those killings, ethnicity was not the issue. Media and public reacted to the tyranny and sense of injustice. TTP killers did not choose their targets for their ethnicity; they were equal opportunity offenders who killed us all for impact, and if anything they killed, slaughtered and maimed Pashtuns most of the time. This war was not about ethnicities – someone is trying to bring “ethnicity” into it, and I have a horrible feeling that Manzoor Pashteen is merely a poster boy for those large interests that stand behind all this.

PTM leader and MNA Ali Wazir threaten and call for the murder of army officers and troops. He is using the same language that has been used by Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan here in Waziristan. PTM claims to be a party is also unjustifiable as it is not registered and is involved in spreading the anti-state agenda countrywide.

Pashteen says they are working for the constitutional rights for Pashtun living in KPK and Balochistan. Well, have you people ever seen the flag raised by them?

Their leaders are openly asking for killing of Army troops, so it is peaceful and constitutional?

Manzoor Pashteen calling for mutiny in Army openly. (You can see video evidences).

PTM leader Said Alam Mehsud shout out for an armed uprising in Pashtun speeches and media. Leaders of the ethnocentric group call for violence in front of Urdu and English media outlets and portray themselves as peaceful supporters of Pashtun rights.

Manzoor Pashtun says that he will kill ten soldiers if any one of our men is killed. The statement came to the fore in response to the PTM’s propaganda on Arman Loni’s death after scuffling with the police.

The TTP commander announces support for Pashtun Tahafuz Movement. Are PTM and TTP are two sides of the same coin? “Our entire sympathy is with this movement and we stand behind these friends(PTM) who are raising their voice for prisoners. So our sympathy is with the prisoners.

Wait a minute... which prisoners? Ahmmm, arent they missing persons?

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[MENTION=142317]Loralai[/MENTION] come and answer the questions raised in this post by a Pashtun. Build your case with facts and convince us why to believe you and PTM instead of him and others?
 
So yesterday Pashteen asked for UN intervention and also asked India for help.

Altaf Hussain did that 25 years in. This guy...
 
A pashtun who was there during Pashteen speech a few minutes ago shared and summarized the whole event in multiple tweets let me share them here so you can understand how Pashteen is brainwashing youth using ethnic and religion card. (Sorry for rough language because these are tweets)

Manzoor Pashteen is addressing his supporters now "British Army attacked Pashtuns, Pashtuns planned,they entered from 3 sides,all British were killed except one,Pak is a proj of INT Estab,Jinnah were never arrested but Bacha khan spent decades in jail"

On one Place Pashtuns were sliding back,but women from houses came out, told their men we will not prepare food for you if you surrender,Pashtun land is full of resources, all his speech is nothing but brainwashing of youth against PAK

Manzoor is brainwashing Pashtun youth like an expert,he use Islam, discuss their Glorious Past, tell them about wounds they received from Pak Army,doesn't attack any political parties,telling youth you are in bad situation because of Pak, effecting illiterate minds

PAk Army received 75 billion $ from US and used Jets on Pashtuns,now Pashtuns blood business has finished, now they are searching for Oil in Sea,looking for Hen and Eggs,begging others for loans, but failed everywher

Whenever you talk about accountability of Army they will reply 5000 Martyrs,they are using Martyrs as Safety card,this is not policy of one Generals, this is institutional policy.

All those Blessings mentioned in Surah Rahman are available on Pashtun Land.
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Loralai said:
Dynamic young and fearless leader who represents the best of grass roots politics in Pakistan. He, Dawar and Wazir make a great trio. With people like this in our politics we can look forward to a bright future where Establishment has to own up to its mistakes.
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He isn't young, he's at least in his 30s. None of those guys you named are fearless unless you think lying and spreading fake news is an admirable trait. Idk what establishment you're talking about, probably the one in Kabul that your guys work for.
 
I really wanna hate teh guy but living in karachi during 90's I have a healthy distrust of Pakistani establishment . I still love Pakistan but can't trust everything they say . Why is it that almost every ethnic minority except for punjabis have had issues with the fauj ?
 
from_da_lost_dim3nsion said:
I really wanna hate teh guy but living in karachi during 90's I have a healthy distrust of Pakistani establishment . I still love Pakistan but can't trust everything they say . Why is it that almost every ethnic minority except for punjabis have had issues with the fauj ?
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Cause the Sharif's aren't Punjabi?
 
Pakpak said:
Not surprised. People needed more trouble in Pakistan after we had wiped the floor with TTP. Shame for them that PTM represent only a minority of Pashtuns and 99% of Pashtuns are completely patriotic.
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And not even the most of FATA is standing with him. His support is mostly restricted to Waziristan
 
WebGuru said:
And not even the most of FATA is standing with him. His support is mostly restricted to Waziristan
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Tbh even then I think its the Afghan refugees who come to his 'protests'. But I hope the army deals with him as soon as possible. Last thing we need is more ethnic trouble.
 
Hermoine Green said:
Can write essays on this NAME. But i will try to be concise and concrete.

Manzoor Pashteen, poster boy. Self proclaimed Che Guvara. Brother of Nadeem who was a companion of Qari Mohsin Hussain(Mastermind of bomb blasts). So, Manzoor is new face of TTP. At first TTP tried Badmaashi which was flopped and now they are trying to play via politics.

Lets start from the beginning, what where the initial demands of PTM?

Reducing the number of checkpoints, to clear the area of landmines and a solution into the missing person’s dilemma.

About 45 percent of the landmines have been cleared at the expense of the life of more than 100 soldiers. Now, did PTM talked about those Shaheed Soldies who just died due to removal of those landmines? Have they ever praised them?

And lemme tell you most of those landmines were set by TTP, not Army.

Any how Army tried their best to remove those, 2ndly from around 62 checkposts now there are around 11 checkposts. But its still not enouogh for PTM.

The list of missing persons has shortened to 2500 cases the commission is working day and night to resolve the cases. And lemme tell you many of those names are related to TTP.

I have seen several places in KP and FATA when there was no law and order situation and I have also seen these areas after the war against terror had begun. Had the Army not fought against terrorism in FATA and KP? If not, every inch and centimeter of Mehsuds and Mohmands and Khattaks and Yousafzais and Wazirs and Afridis would all have been dead by now – at least most of us, our sisters mothers wives and daughters would have been raped now.

I dare all of you, go to the valley of Teera, ask them. What were the conditions before TTP and after TTP? Where were PTM then?

I wont talk about the Funds stuff as well know from where he is getting all those funds only i would say Manzoor Pashteen is making videos of his devotees carrying red boxes and collecting the charity for Pashtun Tahafuz Movement’s public gatherings, (I would like to know how much did they collect and how much did they spend?), if he reveals the real source of funding that would be great, for I know for sure that millions cannot be raised by unknown people holding red boxes – and only the recent jalsa at Swat would have cost serious millions.

Manzoor Pashteen says that Pashtuns are dying and no one is paying attention to us but did the whole nation not pay attention and not stand with Naqib Ullah Mehsud’s family when he was murdered? The whole nation stood for Naqib Ullah Mehsud just like it stood for Zainab. A young boy Intezar Ahmed, 19 years of age, was also killed in those days in Karachi and it was a shocker too. But in all those killings, ethnicity was not the issue. Media and public reacted to the tyranny and sense of injustice. TTP killers did not choose their targets for their ethnicity; they were equal opportunity offenders who killed us all for impact, and if anything they killed, slaughtered and maimed Pashtuns most of the time. This war was not about ethnicities – someone is trying to bring “ethnicity” into it, and I have a horrible feeling that Manzoor Pashteen is merely a poster boy for those large interests that stand behind all this.

PTM leader and MNA Ali Wazir threaten and call for the murder of army officers and troops. He is using the same language that has been used by Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan here in Waziristan. PTM claims to be a party is also unjustifiable as it is not registered and is involved in spreading the anti-state agenda countrywide.

Pashteen says they are working for the constitutional rights for Pashtun living in KPK and Balochistan. Well, have you people ever seen the flag raised by them?

Their leaders are openly asking for killing of Army troops, so it is peaceful and constitutional?

Manzoor Pashteen calling for mutiny in Army openly. (You can see video evidences).

PTM leader Said Alam Mehsud shout out for an armed uprising in Pashtun speeches and media. Leaders of the ethnocentric group call for violence in front of Urdu and English media outlets and portray themselves as peaceful supporters of Pashtun rights.

Manzoor Pashtun says that he will kill ten soldiers if any one of our men is killed. The statement came to the fore in response to the PTM’s propaganda on Arman Loni’s death after scuffling with the police.

The TTP commander announces support for Pashtun Tahafuz Movement. Are PTM and TTP are two sides of the same coin? “Our entire sympathy is with this movement and we stand behind these friends(PTM) who are raising their voice for prisoners. So our sympathy is with the prisoners.

Wait a minute... which prisoners? Ahmmm, arent they missing persons?

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Good post.
My take on this subject is the enemies of Pakistan tried to start a Sunni/Shia war after 9-11 to turn Pakistan into another Syria/Iraq but since that failed now they have started funding PTM to fuel a Punjabi/Pathan divide.
Their goal is to divide Pakistan in to 2-3 pieces.
 
Pakpak said:
Tbh even then I think its the Afghan refugees who come to his 'protests'. But I hope the army deals with him as soon as possible. Last thing we need is more ethnic trouble.
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Agree with you but they had free movement on both side of the border regularly for decades and i don't think most of Waziristan even had NIC back thn so it will be hard to find Afghans.
 
Finisher said:
Good post.
My take on this subject is the enemies of Pakistan tried to start a Sunni/Shia war after 9-11 to turn Pakistan into another Syria/Iraq but since that failed now they have started funding PTM to fuel a Punjabi/Pathan divide.
Their goal is to divide Pakistan in to 2-3 pieces.
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I think they know dividing us isn't possible, however what they want is a constant state of almost civil warfare and carnage. The likes of which we faced from 2006-2014.
 
from_da_lost_dim3nsion said:
I really wanna hate teh guy but living in karachi during 90's I have a healthy distrust of Pakistani establishment . I still love Pakistan but can't trust everything they say . Why is it that almost every ethnic minority except for punjabis have had issues with the fauj ?
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As a fellow Karachiite, i don't trust either of them. Politics, whether its on ethnic lines or to pleas the powers that be, are all used for self-serving purposes. However, this does not mean that the plight of ethnic minorities aren't real. Be it the quota systems in Sindh or land mines in Waziristan, ethnic minorities have bared the brunt of the fall out from the lack of planning, authorities' incompetence/malice and/or ill-will of the powers that be.
 
Angrez Pakistani said:
land mines in Waziristan
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This is a poor excuse PTM wala use against Pak Army. Not all the land mines there were setup by Pak Army most of them were by TTP against PA during operation and many soldiers died because of these land mines i personally know an army driver from Punjab who gave his life in Waziristan because of a landmine setup by TTP and these thankless PTM idiots are blaming Pak Army for it?
 
Mian said:
This is a poor excuse PTM wala use against Pak Army. Not all the land mines there were setup by Pak Army most of them were by TTP against PA during operation and many soldiers died because of these land mines i personally know an army driver from Punjab who gave his life in Waziristan because of a landmine setup by TTP and these thankless PTM idiots are blaming Pak Army for it?
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I'm sure 'not all land mines were setup by Pak Army' excuses the administrations inability to think that land mines can actually kill ppl before letting the civilians come back to Waziristan.
 
1. The issues raised by PTM are legit and need to be addressed by the govt. However, a lot of PTM members are acting in bad faith and any leftist who supports them blindly is naive. I’ve seen tons of videos of Manzoor Pashteen, Ali wazir and Mohsin Dawar using anti-Pakistani rhetoric.

2. May be my own personal political beliefs but i’m not a big fan of leftist politics. The military establishment is what holds this country together and any attempt to break that establishment will only lead to chaos. The powerful should be held accountable but people also need to realize that this country will break the second the establishment is gone.
 
Angrez Pakistani said:
I'm sure 'not all land mines were setup by Pak Army' excuses the administrations inability to think that land mines can actually kill ppl before letting the civilians come back to Waziristan.
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And why PTM is doing this propaganda that they were setup by PA. I guess TTP after setting up the landmines forgot to send all the locations to Pak Army by email thats why while finding them and while doing operation PA lost many soldiers.
 
Mian said:
And why PTM is doing this propaganda that they were setup by PA. I guess TTP after setting up the landmines forgot to send all the locations to Pak Army by email thats why while finding them and while doing operation PA lost many soldiers.
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Are you telling me that the Army was ignorant to the fact that TTP planted landmines in Waziristan? Sure, i respect the sacrifices made by the soldiers who lost their lives defusing the landmines but that doesn't excuse the administrations' decision of repopulating the area knowing full well that there were unidentified landmines all over the place.
 
Angrez Pakistani said:
Are you telling me that the Army was ignorant to the fact that TTP planted landmines in Waziristan? Sure, i respect the sacrifices made by the soldiers who lost their lives defusing the landmines but that doesn't excuse the administrations' decision of repopulating the area knowing full well that there were unidentified landmines all over the place.
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And what solution or resources Pak Army had when Punjab and other provinces refused to take FATA IDP's and closed the border for IDP's? and Federal showed no interest in forcing the provinces to take them? KP with very low resources had to take care of them for a couple of years first the IDP's from Swat then FATA but eventually they had to return.
 
Mian said:
And what solution or resources Pak Army had when Punjab and other provinces refused to take FATA IDP's and closed the border for IDP's? and Federal showed no interest in forcing the provinces to take them? KP with very low resources had to take care of them for a couple of years first the IDP's from Swat then FATA but eventually they had to return.
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You can answer that question yourself if you put your mind to it :jk:jk
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Uncovering Pakistan's secret human rights abuses <a href="https://t.co/MrgiqxQ9Va">https://t.co/MrgiqxQ9Va</a></p>— BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1134958633828139008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 1, 2019</a></blockquote>
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This does not bode well for Pakistan either.
 
AdamM97 said:
1. The issues raised by PTM are legit and need to be addressed by the govt. However, a lot of PTM members are acting in bad faith and any leftist who supports them blindly is naive. I’ve seen tons of videos of Manzoor Pashteen, Ali wazir and Mohsin Dawar using anti-Pakistani rhetoric.

2. May be my own personal political beliefs but i’m not a big fan of leftist politics. The military establishment is what holds this country together and any attempt to break that establishment will only lead to chaos. The powerful should be held accountable but people also need to realize that this country will break the second the establishment is gone.
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The issues now raised by PTM are in no way legit. Their demands have completely changed to now asking the army being removed completely with no checkpoints. Its completely unfeasible.
 
Angrez Pakistani said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Uncovering Pakistan's secret human rights abuses <a href="https://t.co/MrgiqxQ9Va">https://t.co/MrgiqxQ9Va</a></p>— BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1134958633828139008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 1, 2019</a></blockquote>
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This does not bode well for Pakistan either.
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Bbc or any western outlets are the last people that has a say in human rights. They’ve killed more people than anything Pakistan has.
 
Pakpak said:
The issues now raised by PTM are in no way legit. Their demands have completely changed to now asking the army being removed completely with no checkpoints. Its completely unfeasible.
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I’m talking specifically about the racial profiling of Pashtuns and discrimination they face around the country. Other than that, i don’t agree with the PTM at all.
 
AdamM97 said:
I’m talking specifically about the racial profiling of Pashtuns and discrimination they face around the country. Other than that, i don’t agree with the PTM at all.
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I don't even agree with that. From army to sports to media Pashtuns are very well represented in our country. You have even have Pashtuns on PP saying the same thing. Hermione Green an example. As for discrimination it does exist but its not only against them. You have people speaking crap about Karchites, then them doing the same thing about Lahoris and so on.
 
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Angrez Pakistani said:
Are you telling me that the Army was ignorant to the fact that TTP planted landmines in Waziristan? Sure, i respect the sacrifices made by the soldiers who lost their lives defusing the landmines but that doesn't excuse the administrations' decision of repopulating the area knowing full well that there were unidentified landmines all over the place.
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Mian said:
And what solution or resources Pak Army had when Punjab and other provinces refused to take FATA IDP's and closed the border for IDP's? and Federal showed no interest in forcing the provinces to take them? KP with very low resources had to take care of them for a couple of years first the IDP's from Swat then FATA but eventually they had to return.
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Initially the PTM demands were legit, there is no doubt about it. But almost all of their demands has been met.

Removal of landmines - DONE.

Checkposts numbers to be decreased - DONE

Missing person issue - Under progress.

No long impose curfews.

Most important of all, the FATA Interim Governance Regulation 2018, signed by the President of Pakistan on May 28, 2018, replaced the FCR and outlined how FATA would be governed, “within a timeframe of two years”, even as the region is merged with Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP).

Interestingly, this new interim regulation placed a check on the actions of the security forces

What else do they want?

Why they have never mentioned all those things in recent Jalsas?
 
where was this 'messaiah',when the americans were drone attacking civilians?
 
A bomb had killed a soldier in the village of Shamkai in South Waziristan.

"The army clamped a curfew in the area, and ordered all people to come out of their homes," he says. "They made the women sit to one side and tortured the men one by one in front them. One epileptic boy died during torture while his mother and father were watching."
 
Hermoine Green said:
Can write essays on this NAME. But i will try to be concise and concrete.

Manzoor Pashteen, poster boy. Self proclaimed Che Guvara. Brother of Nadeem who was a companion of Qari Mohsin Hussain(Mastermind of bomb blasts). So, Manzoor is new face of TTP. At first TTP tried Badmaashi which was flopped and now they are trying to play via politics.

Lets start from the beginning, what where the initial demands of PTM?

Reducing the number of checkpoints, to clear the area of landmines and a solution into the missing person’s dilemma.

About 45 percent of the landmines have been cleared at the expense of the life of more than 100 soldiers. Now, did PTM talked about those Shaheed Soldies who just died due to removal of those landmines? Have they ever praised them?

And lemme tell you most of those landmines were set by TTP, not Army.

Any how Army tried their best to remove those, 2ndly from around 62 checkposts now there are around 11 checkposts. But its still not enouogh for PTM.

The list of missing persons has shortened to 2500 cases the commission is working day and night to resolve the cases. And lemme tell you many of those names are related to TTP.

I have seen several places in KP and FATA when there was no law and order situation and I have also seen these areas after the war against terror had begun. Had the Army not fought against terrorism in FATA and KP? If not, every inch and centimeter of Mehsuds and Mohmands and Khattaks and Yousafzais and Wazirs and Afridis would all have been dead by now – at least most of us, our sisters mothers wives and daughters would have been raped now.

I dare all of you, go to the valley of Teera, ask them. What were the conditions before TTP and after TTP? Where were PTM then?

I wont talk about the Funds stuff as well know from where he is getting all those funds only i would say Manzoor Pashteen is making videos of his devotees carrying red boxes and collecting the charity for Pashtun Tahafuz Movement’s public gatherings, (I would like to know how much did they collect and how much did they spend?), if he reveals the real source of funding that would be great, for I know for sure that millions cannot be raised by unknown people holding red boxes – and only the recent jalsa at Swat would have cost serious millions.

Manzoor Pashteen says that Pashtuns are dying and no one is paying attention to us but did the whole nation not pay attention and not stand with Naqib Ullah Mehsud’s family when he was murdered? The whole nation stood for Naqib Ullah Mehsud just like it stood for Zainab. A young boy Intezar Ahmed, 19 years of age, was also killed in those days in Karachi and it was a shocker too. But in all those killings, ethnicity was not the issue. Media and public reacted to the tyranny and sense of injustice. TTP killers did not choose their targets for their ethnicity; they were equal opportunity offenders who killed us all for impact, and if anything they killed, slaughtered and maimed Pashtuns most of the time. This war was not about ethnicities – someone is trying to bring “ethnicity” into it, and I have a horrible feeling that Manzoor Pashteen is merely a poster boy for those large interests that stand behind all this.

PTM leader and MNA Ali Wazir threaten and call for the murder of army officers and troops. He is using the same language that has been used by Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan here in Waziristan. PTM claims to be a party is also unjustifiable as it is not registered and is involved in spreading the anti-state agenda countrywide.

Pashteen says they are working for the constitutional rights for Pashtun living in KPK and Balochistan. Well, have you people ever seen the flag raised by them?

Their leaders are openly asking for killing of Army troops, so it is peaceful and constitutional?

Manzoor Pashteen calling for mutiny in Army openly. (You can see video evidences).

PTM leader Said Alam Mehsud shout out for an armed uprising in Pashtun speeches and media. Leaders of the ethnocentric group call for violence in front of Urdu and English media outlets and portray themselves as peaceful supporters of Pashtun rights.

Manzoor Pashtun says that he will kill ten soldiers if any one of our men is killed. The statement came to the fore in response to the PTM’s propaganda on Arman Loni’s death after scuffling with the police.

The TTP commander announces support for Pashtun Tahafuz Movement. Are PTM and TTP are two sides of the same coin? “Our entire sympathy is with this movement and we stand behind these friends(PTM) who are raising their voice for prisoners. So our sympathy is with the prisoners.

Wait a minute... which prisoners? Ahmmm, arent they missing persons?

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Brilliant post bro (Post of the week for sure), i raised similar points about PTM with timeline of how it was made and how they keep changing their demands to ensure the unrest continues rather than moving forward. Fact that their activities have increased rather than slowing down after much awaited FATA reforms, KPK-FATA merger, Rs92 Billion relief package announced by PM and increase of seats in old FATA areas as per demands by Dawar and Ali Wazir.

If anyone wants to understand why many simply do NOT trust PTM leadership is the most disgusting and vile accusation by one of their top leader Gulali Ismail, she even used alleged rape and murder of an innocent 10 year old to push her agenda, THIS IS HOW DESPERATE THEY ARE. When people criticised her, her excuse was that Army sponsor wars which creates IDPs and this is the reason she was raped so Army is responsible.....yes that was her reason to accuse Army :facepalm: :facepalm:
 
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Ever wonder which administration is allied with US forces in the region?
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the afghan government is closely allied with US forces, No election in a country can be considered legitimate, while a country is occupied by a foreign force.

If you think the Pakistan government is allied with the US, then you are wrong. Trump has cut all aid to Pakistan. Henceforth, Pakistan is NOT a US ally.

My question remains unanswered
Why was Manzoor Pashteen and the PTM silent, when the US was killiing civilians with drone attacks in Waziristan?

why doesn't he demand justice for those innocents who have been droned by the US? after all, he has had several opportunities to do so on Voice of America.
 
warcry said:
the afghan government is closely allied with US forces, No election in a country can be considered legitimate, while a country is occupied by a foreign force.

If you think the Pakistan government is allied with the US, then you are wrong. Trump has cut all aid to Pakistan. Henceforth, Pakistan is NOT a US ally.

My question remains unanswered
Why was Manzoor Pashteen and the PTM silent, when the US was killiing civilians with drone attacks in Waziristan?

why doesn't he demand justice for those innocents who have been droned by the US? after all, he has had several opportunities to do so on Voice of America.
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It's strategically prudent for him.
 
People need to understand what is going on. For years the west have studied Pakistan. After years they concluded that the only institution that can hold the nation together is the Pakistan army. So how to create real turmoil and denuclearise the nation? They first tried the South America option by using a proxy terror group and death squads.

They almost succeeded. Now as the country is picking up the pieces they are moving onto phase 2. The attempt to break the PA by initiating a Pakhtun revolt. Make no bones about it they will throw millions at traitors like Pashteen to sow further division.

Coming onto him being the next altaf..yes they are trying to ensure he becomes that. There are many who still sympathise with altaf Bhai..

The aim is the same create a rebellion within the PA and create a situation where multiple powers have to intervene to save Pakistan from itself..
 
Manzoor Pashteen would have to rack up a body count in excess of 30K, economic losses to the tune of billions and one of the biggest metropolis in the world with a quaint past in ruins to even come close to be compared to Altaf, leave alone surpassing him.

What I fail to comprehend is both Pashteen and Altaf at some point were military's pawns or at least on the same side of the ongoing interconnected conflicts being waged in the Af-Pak theater over the past 40 years.

As much as I abhor anti-Pakistan secular-ethno-nationalist terrorists like Altaf and Pashteen, the military has a lot to answer for recruiting, cultivating, patronizing and using these same elements when convenient.

Altaf was given a free reign to wage his deadly campaign of terror in Karachi for 30 years, until one day military decided to pull it's support and launch operations on it's headquarters at Nine Zero. Similarly, military welcomed the support of these pukhtoon nationalists in the illegal war of terror where it was presiding over the wholesale slaughter of innocent Pakistanis through drone warfare because that's what their paymasters at the Pentagon were paying them to do so.
 
Interesting thing is that PPP is against altaf/MQM since its birth but in favor of manzoor/PTM, level of hypocrisy or just bcz of racism???
 
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Interesting thing is that PPP is against altaf/MQM since its birth but in favor of manzoor/PTM, level of hypocrisy or just bcz of racism???
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And father of PPP ZA Bhutto was against separatists in Balochistan and NWFP even thn ethnic card was being used. ZA Bhutto speeches on these issues are available on youtube
 
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And father of PPP ZA Bhutto was against separatists in Balochistan and NWFP even thn ethnic card was being used. ZA Bhutto speeches on these issues are available on youtube
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At that time he was PM so you can understand why he was against them, secondly he was the the who sent army in Baluchistan to fight against insurgents.
 
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And father of PPP ZA Bhutto was against separatists in Balochistan and NWFP even thn ethnic card was being used. ZA Bhutto speeches on these issues are available on youtube
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Also since its birth it is a party of opportunists, they are against MQM bcz they dnt want insurgency or break-up in their own province but at the same time they are hitting army by using manzoor's shoulder (politically).
 
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Also since its birth it is a party of opportunists, they are against MQM bcz they dnt want insurgency or break-up in their own province but at the same time they are hitting army by using manzoor's shoulder (politically).
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That's what i was trying to they are opportunist the biggest example from recent history is that they appointed Ch Pervez Elahi as deputy PM under Gillani after calling PMLQ a Qaatil league.
 
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That's what i was trying to they are opportunist the biggest example from recent history is that they appointed Ch Pervez Elahi as deputy PM under Gillani after calling PMLQ a Qaatil league.
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Let me tell you one thing that PPP peoples are thinking that this insurgency will led to another partition of Pakistan & they will get their their Sindh to eat for 1000 years but these naive peoples dont know that if any partition or such happen (God forbid) the golden sparrow (karachi) will also be separated from them. Then they will be roasting the corns on their thar coal.
 
Junaid_ahmed said:
Let me tell you one thing that PPP peoples are thinking that this insurgency will led to another partition of Pakistan & they will get their their Sindh to eat for 1000 years but these naive peoples dont know that if any partition or such happen (God forbid) the golden sparrow (karachi) will also be separated from them. Then they will be roasting the corns on their thar coal.
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Their dream will never become reality and they will be thrown into Arabian sea before anything like that happens. The sad truth is even after all the corruption and allegation etc i still see PPP winning Sindh and ruling it after 2023
 
Angrez Pakistani said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Uncovering Pakistan's secret human rights abuses <a href="https://t.co/MrgiqxQ9Va">https://t.co/MrgiqxQ9Va</a></p>— BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1134958633828139008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 1, 2019</a></blockquote>
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https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1135591535154737153
 
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https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1135591535154737153
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Good to see ISPR responding back
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">News story published by BBC on 2nd June 2019, titled “Uncovering Pakistan's Secret Human Rights Abuses” is pack of lies and in violation of journalistic ethos.<br>The issue is being formally taken up with BBC authorities. <a href="https://t.co/A3QtbXJIkS">pic.twitter.com/A3QtbXJIkS</a></p>— Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1135591535154737153?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 3, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Uncovering Pakistan's secret human rights abuses

Tens of thousands of people have been killed in Pakistan's long battle with militants as part of the post-9/11 "war on terror". Evidence of murder and torture by soldiers and insurgents is emerging only now. The BBC has gained rare access to some of the victims.
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The military's media wing on Monday issued a strongly worded response to a BBC story that documented alleged human rights abuses in the tribal areas of former Fata, and termed the report a "pack of lies".

The BBC story published on June 2, titled Uncovering Pakistan's secret human rights abuses, looks into Pakistan's long battle with militants as part of the post-9/11 "war on terror" and carries the accounts of locals as well as the top leader of the Pashtun Tahaffuz Movement (PTM), Manzoor Pashteen.

According to the report, local rights activists "say scores of civilians have been killed in successive air campaigns and ground operations by the military". They have been collecting video and documentary evidence to back up their claims, adds the article.

The Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) in its statement on Monday, however, said the story "carries conjecturing implicating Pakistan Army without any proof", adding that the report is "in violation of journalistic ethos".

"The angling, spinning and creditability of the story is exposed from the fact that contrary to published claim, ISPR only received a judgmental questionnaire via email," the statement said, adding that the ISPR in response offered the broadcaster "full opportunity" for interaction to know the facts, but the "BBC team never responded and did a preconceived conjectured story."

The military's media wing specifically responded to a 2014 incident mentioned in the BBC story, which said that a civilian's house in North Waziristan tribal district was wrongly hit by air strikes in early 2014 after it was misunderstood to be the hiding place of a senior Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) commander.

"Quoting security officials, news channels reported on 22 January 2014 that Adnan Rasheed's hideout had been targeted two nights earlier in the Hamzoni area," says the report.

"Instead of taking out a top militant, Pakistan's military had actually killed the family of a local man who had his home blown to pieces," the report adds.

It then quotes Nazirullah, the man whose house was allegedly hit, as saying: "It was as if the house had exploded. My wife and I were shaken out of our sleep. There was a strong smell of gunpowder in the air. Both of us rushed to the door and stepped out, only to discover that the entire roof of our room had already collapsed, except a corner where our bed was."

Four of Nazirullah's family died, including a three-year-old girl, the BBC report says.

The Army's media wing negated the reporting, saying the story was "void of the context and understanding of the prevalent environment at that time". It added that contrary to the impression made in the story, the military operation in North Waziristan had not even started by the date the alleged misstrike mentioned in the BBC story took place. The ISPR appeared to be referring to Operation Zarb-i-Azb, which was launched in North Waziristan on June 15, 2014.

According to ISPR, the area of North Waziristan was being used by terrorists "to plan, coordinate and execute terrorists activities across the country" and on an average, 6-8 terrorist incidents were taking place across the country per month.

"People were being slaughtered in NWD and terrorists were playing football with heads of their victims. NWD and local population was actually hostage to hardcore terrorists."

The statement added that the BBC story "lacks any credible and authentic source" and relied on hearsay, with its claims regarding the "so-called strikes" that allegedly wrongly targeted a civilian's house based on news aired by an "unauthentic private TV channel" on January 22, 2014.

"The only source interviewed also didn’t point at anyone or talked about strike or operation," the ISPR said, adding that the incident mentioned in the report is of North Waziristan whereas the activist quoted as a source belongs to "a particular group from South Waziristan District".

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The article also featured an interview with PTM leader Manzoor Pashteen.

"The PTM says 13 of its activists were killed on 26 May when the army opened fire on a large group of protesters in North Waziristan. The army said at least three activists were shot dead after a military checkpoint was attacked. The PTM denies this but two of its leaders, who also serve as MPs, have been arrested," the BBC story reads, referring to a recent clash between army soldiers and protesters at Kharqamar check-post in North Waziristan.

"It has taken us almost 15 years of suffering and humiliation to gather courage to speak up, and to spread awareness about how the military trampled our constitutional rights through both direct action and a policy of support for the militants," Pashteen is quoted as saying in the report.

The ISPR in its statement accused the BBC of ignoring "available official government stance" on the Kharqamar incident.

"The writer surely lacked knowledge of environment, ground situation, geography of the area and about conduct of operations. The story remains ill intended, biased and part of a larger agenda. It also amounts to undermine Pakistan’s efforts for fighting global menace of terrorism and Pakistan’s unparalleled achievements in war against terrorism [that have been] contributing to regional peace.

"The people of Pakistan are well aware of the fake news phenomenon of all types and design behind such undertakings," the ISPR said, adding that the issue was being formally taken up with BBC authorities.

Meanwhile, DG ISPR Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor tweeted a screenshot of his office's correspondence with the BBC, which says: "Before undertaking the story an interaction is suggested to know the facts."

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WebGuru said:
Good to see ISPR responding back
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">News story published by BBC on 2nd June 2019, titled “Uncovering Pakistan's Secret Human Rights Abuses” is pack of lies and in violation of journalistic ethos.<br>The issue is being formally taken up with BBC authorities. <a href="https://t.co/A3QtbXJIkS">pic.twitter.com/A3QtbXJIkS</a></p>— Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1135591535154737153?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 3, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Not a good response to be honest. ISPR sounds like one of those middle eastern journalists. So many words and no substance.
 
Most probably after Imran Khan (pre-election), he is the best thing happened to Pakistan.
 
A very disrespectful thread title. Altaf Hussain was really good in the start, but after he turned to violence he lost all his credibility. How can you even compare these two? Doesn't make any sense.
 
Calling Pashteen the leader of a grass-roots political movement is the funniest thing I have ever heard.

This view is most commonly echoed by out of touch liberals, foreigners who don't know anything about his politics and willing supporters who know everything.

The man is an ethno-fascist who, along with has party members has openly advocated things like UN intervention in Pakistan and US bombing of Pakistan's major cities in his speeches. He and his party members regularly target Punjabis with racist and derogatory rhetoric. They are openly against the army, even though the army had initially done everything to listen to their grievances and even followed through on many of their demands when they came up in 2018.

It is also beyond obvious that they are the spiritual successors of the Pashtunistan cause and on the payroll of NDS, CIA and RAW. Their closeness to the Kabul regime and anti-Pakistan zealots like Amrullah Saleh is not something they have even tried to hide.
 
Several organizational that Manzoor was a figurehead of highlighted issues that were left untouched after the Sway conflict.

That said, I'm fairly certain the PTM used pictures from Syria and Palestine and accused the Army to be responsible for killing skf Pashtun people.

The violent rhetoric coming from these neo-Pashtun entities (including Wazir and Dawar) is reflected by the endless stream of Afghan and Indian (admittedly mostly bots) promoting dissent, sedition and anti government rhetoric.

The serious plight of those victims of Swat war have obviously been hijacked by the ignorance of these ethnofascist groups. Groups that are patronised by far left liberals and Indian IT cells. Says all i need to know about these embarrassing people.
 
Pashtun Tahaffuz Movement (PTM) chief Manzoor Pashteen was arrested by the police in Chaman on Monday after armed men from his vehicle allegedly opened fire at a police vehicle, Deputy Commissioner Raja Athar Abbas said.

However, the PTM leaders have accused law enforcement officers of initiating the gunfire, saying that Pashteen emerged unharmed from the shooting incident.

The incident occurred as Pashteen was attempting to travel from Chaman to Turbat city in Balochistan, where he was scheduled to address participants of a sit-in.

Abbas said that after the exchange of gunfire, levies and police promptly reached the scene and apprehended Pashteen from the Gudamo area of Chaman.

Balochistan Caretaker Information Minister Jan Achakzai stated that Pashteen had addressed the Chaman sit-in without the approval of the administration, referring to PTM as “an anti-state organisation”.

He also stated that an FIR has been lodged against Pashteen by police in Chaman, saying that four people were also injured as the PTM chief’s guards opened fire on them.

Last year, Pashteen was booked on charges of treason and terrorism by the Punjab police following his anti-military speech at the Asma Jahangir Conference.

A first information report (FIR) registered on the complaint of citizen Naeeem Mirza stated that Pashteen hurled baseless allegations at the security agencies while his supporters chanted slogans against the institutions during the event held in Lahore at a private hotel.
 
PTM's Manzoor Pashteen remanded in Islamabad police custody for 7 days


On Tuesday, Balochistan caretaker Minister for Information Jan Achakzai said Pashteen had been “safely handed over” to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa’s Dera Ismail Khan police. He said the PTM chief was expelled from Balochistan and the provincial government was mulling banning the party.

However, in a post on X (formerly Twitter) yesterday, lawmaker Mohsin Dawar said Pashteen was not produced before any court since his arrest on Dec 4.

“He remains forcibly disappeared. The state is violating the law openly and brazenly. We demand the immediate production of Manzoor in court,” Dawar added.

Today, Pashteen was produced before the court of Abual Hasnat Mohammad Zulqarnain amid tight security.

At the outset of the hearing, the police sought the PTM chief’s seven-day physical remand. However, Pashteen’s lawyer argued that there were no grounds for handing him over to the police.

“Holding rallies is our right. Pashteen’s vehicle was fired at in Balochistan,” he said, adding that the former was “kidnapped” from Chaman and presented in court today after three days.

After hearing arguments from both sides, the court approved Pashteen’s seven-day physical remand.

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ATC grants bail to Pashteen

The anti-terrorism court (ATC) of Islamabad ordered the release of Manzoor Pashteen, the head of the Pashtun Tahafuz Movement (PTM), granting him bail in two cases of making speeches against the government institutions.

ATC judge Abul Hasnat Zulqarnain heard the bail application of Pashteen, who was arrested from Chaman earlier this month. During the hearing, Prosecutor Raja Naveed told the court that Pashteen made speeches against government institutions.

However, Pashteen’s lawyer denied that his client made such speeches. He said that the case against Pashteen was politically-motivated. Later, the court granted bail against Rs30,000 surety bonds each in two cases.



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Manzoor Pashteen is a seasonal bug. He only appears outside during his season and then goes back into hiding.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Manzoor Pashteen is a seasonal bug. He only appears outside during his season and then goes back into hiding.
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As we saw with the VONC he is a man controlled by the establishment. He owed to the PTI pulling out against him in 2018 and he betrayed them and aligned with establishment.
 
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FIA told to quiz Pashteen in jail

ISLAMBAD: Islamabad High Court’s Justice Miangul Hassan Aurangzeb on Friday ordered the Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) to investigate Pashtun Tahaffuz Movement (PTM) leader Manzoor Pashteen in jail in connection with the details of the cases against him.

During the hearing, lawyer Ataullah Kundi said Pashteen's co-accused had been granted bail and the FIA was waiting to arrest them again after their release. Justice Aurangzeb explained that the law was that when a person was already arrested, just proceed with the case.

The judge elaborated that it could not be that if an accused was released in a case, the authorities should wait for him to come out and then arrest them again. He added that a person arrested in one case could be implicated in another one and the investigation could be completed in jail.

Justice Aurangzeb elaborated that the high court had given a decision regarding the arrest of a person in one case in another one. “If the court’s decision is not challenged, it becomes final,” he added. The lawyer said Pashteen had been arrested since December 7 and he had the right to bail.

The judge remarked that he was not wrapping up the case. He warned the police to refrain from taking steps that if the government changed in the future and there was an inquiry, their careers would be ruined.

The court told the FIA to carry out its investigation in jail or it would order the case to be closed. The hearing was later adjourned.

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PTM chief had been arrested since Dec 7 and had right to bail says lawyer
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Hearing of case against Manzoor Pashteen adjourned till 19th

A local court, on Tuesday, adjourned the hearing of a case registered against Pashtun Tahaffuz Movement (PTM) chief Manzoor Pashteen following making an alleged controversial statement at the PTM’s rally at Tarnol on August 18 last year after reviewing the charge sheet submitted by police.

Senior civil judge Muhammad Shabbir Bhatti, while hearing the case, adjourned the hearing of the case till March 19 after reviewing the challan of the case.

Pashteen and his lawyer did not appear before the court.

However, the investigation officer (IO) and prosecutor appeared before the court.

The IO informed the court that the police had submitted the charge sheet to the extent of Manzoor Pashteen. A copy of the challan is present on the record of the court, the IO said.

The prosecutor told the court that the other accused in the case was Ali Wazir and Imaan Zainab Mazari. He requested the court that the trial of Pashteen should be started along with the other accused. The hearing of the case of the other accused is fixed for hearing on March 19, he said.

The court, after reviewing the charge sheet, adjourned the hearing of the case till March 19.


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PTM chief Pashteen accuses ‘state’ of committing HR violations against Pakhtuns

Pashtun Tahaffuz Movement (PTM) chief Manzoor Pashteen has said the only objective of their struggle is to secure the rights of Pakhtuns and force the ‘state’ to stop human rights violations against them.

He said PTM was struggling to ensure provision of fundamental rights to Pakhtuns and establish lasting peace in their land.

He made the remarks while addressing his first-ever public meeting in Aloch area of Puran tehsil in Shangla on Tuesday night.

He said poor workers from Shangla lost their lives in coal mine incidents across the country, but unfortunately no one brought a bill in the parliament to ensure safety and welfare of the mineworkers.

“PTM is striving to gather Pakhtuns on a single platform to foil conspiracies against them,” Mr Pashteen said.

He said the PTM leadership visited Shangla as part of their province-wide campaign to unite Pakhtuns and invite them to the Pakhtun Qaumi Jirga to be held in Khyber district on October 11.

Mr Pashteen questioned why only the Pakhtuns’ land was targeted in the war against the so-called terrorism. “Today, in the southern districts of KP and in Balochistan, mothers, wives, brothers, daughters and sons are waiting for the return of their loved ones, who have gone missing,” he said.

Meanwhile, addressing a gathering in Charsadda, PTM chief Manzoor Pashteen said Pakhtuns would go to any extent to get their rights.

He was in Charsadda to invite people to attend the Pakhtun Qaumi Jirga on October 11.

He asked the youth and elders to fully participate in the jirga.

Mazdoor Kisan Party chairman Salar Fayyaz Ali, Bacha Khan Trust chairman Syed Masoom Shah Bacha, Nazif Lala and others also attended the meeting.

Mr Pashteen said the jirga would go ahead despite arrests and obstacles being created by the authorities to thwart the event.

He declared the present government as the ‘puppet of the military establishment’.

He said PTM was out to unit Pakhtuns on one platform to push for establishment of peace on their soil. He said the Qami Jirga would be televised in more than 50 countries.

Meanwhile, a local court in Swabi ordered the release of five activists of PTM on bail on Wednesday.

They included PTM Swabi coordinator Usman Khan, Dr Mohammad Jasim, Swabi tehsil coordinator Farhad Ahmed, Chota Lahor coordinator Mehran Pashteen and Ahmad Pashteen Yar.

A PTM legal team comprising Salim Khan, Ishfaq Khan, Haroon Khan, Waseem Shah and Sohail Shakir pleaded their case.

The arrested PTM activists were brought to the court of Judicial Magistrate Swabi-I Syed Wahaj Ali, who accepted their bail plea and ordered their release.

The police had booked the leaders for holding a public meeting in Razaar on Sept 5 in preparations for the party’s Oct 11 jirga in Khyber.

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