Maradona v Messi

[Technics 1210]

Mass parades across Argentina in celebration of winning the World Cup, and the crowds have huge banners of Maradona, but not Messi.

Messi is at best a GOTT, Maradona remains the GOAT.

The Argentinians have spoken!

)

 

[KingKhanWC]

Mass parades across Argentina in celebration of winning the World Cup, and the crowds have huge banners of Maradona, but not Messi.

Messi is at best a GOTT, Maradona remains the GOAT.

The Argentinians have spoken!

)

I think even Messi accepts Diego is the GOAT.

Without Maradonna there probably wouldnt be Messi.

Its a shame he isnt alive to see the World Cup returning to Argentina but he will be remembered forever for being the Godfather of Argentinian and World Football.

 

[Mamoon]

Mass parades across Argentina in celebration of winning the World Cup, and the crowds have huge banners of Maradona, but not Messi.

Messi is at best a GOTT, Maradona remains the GOAT.

The Argentinians have spoken!

)

You can roll on the floor with laughter but we can still see the tears. If Argentina wins a World Cup in the future & Messi is no longer alive, you will see the Argentinian fans carry banners of both Messi & Maradona.

This is why they were carrying Maradona’s banners throughout the World Cup & why the whole country is remembering him because they really wish he was alive today because he would probably have been happier than them all given how much he wanted to see this day & how much he loved Messi.

They will never forget these two players & what they did for their country. Not sure what your point is though.

If Portugal win a World Cup in the future and Ronaldo is not alive, they will surely carry his banner & also that of Piers Morgan.

 

[Mamoon]

I think even Messi accepts Diego is the GOAT.

Without Maradonna there probably wouldnt be Messi.

Its a shame he isnt alive to see the World Cup returning to Argentina but he will be remembered forever for being the Godfather of Argentinian and World Football.

Messi is very humble. He never called himself the best player in the world or the best player of all time even though he was always much better than Ronaldo, who spent half of his career telling people he was the best even though he wasn’t.

So given Messi’s nature, it is obvious that he will never call himself better than Maradona or even think along those lines. This is part of what makes him the GOAT. Incredible humility for a player who has had the world at his feet for so long.

Without Maradona, Messi would still be there but there would have been a lot less pressure on him to win a World Cup & he would also face less scrutiny. The tag of Maradona’s heir put a lot of pressure on his shoulders from a very young age but he lived up to it.

 

[Technics 1210]

I think even Messi accepts Diego is the GOAT.

Without Maradonna there probably wouldnt be Messi.

Its a shame he isnt alive to see the World Cup returning to Argentina but he will be remembered forever for being the Godfather of Argentinian and World Football.

Yup, Messi is on record regarding Maradona, while Maradona is on record telling Pele, that Messi has no personality.

https://www.sportbible.com/football...sonality-according-to-diego-maradona-20210429

I do not remember seeing Messi shed a tear after winning the WC (his team mates did) but Messi did cry when his childhood club Barcelona dumped him due to Messi's selfish demands.

Agree, wish Maradona was alive to witness his nation win the WC after 36 years since 1986!

Messi remains in the shadow of Maradona, and will forever be.

 

[RexRex]

Mass parades across Argentina in celebration of winning the World Cup, and the crowds have huge banners of Maradona, but not Messi.

Messi is at best a GOTT, Maradona remains the GOAT.

The Argentinians have spoken!

)

People who grow up with their idols in childhood find it hard to accept that someone else might have surpassed them later in life. You might be suffering from this nostalgia bias. Psychologists say this reaction is akin to feeling personally attacked when your religion or prophet is questioned by an outsider.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Messi is very humble. He never called himself the best player in the world or the best player of all time even though he was always much better than Ronaldo, who spent half of his career telling people he was the best even though he wasn’t.

So given Messi’s nature, it is obvious that he will never call himself better than Maradona or even think along those lines. This is part of what makes him the GOAT. Incredible humility for a player who has had the world at his feet for so long.

Without Maradona, Messi would still be there but there would have been a lot less pressure on him to win a World Cup & he would also face less scrutiny. The tag of Maradona’s heir put a lot of pressure on his shoulders from a very young age but he lived up to it.

Messi is humble, has carried himself very professionally over his career, for the most part.

If Maradona was around, the pressure on Messi would arguably be higher as it would mean Argentina havent won the world cup since 1978.

The game has changed since Diego retired, now players like him cant be fouled/touched as easily.

Diego was fouled a crazy 152 times in the World Cup. 2nd is Messi at 66 times. Football was far more physical in the 80's and 90's. Imagine if Diego played in this era, he would be untouchable. Argentina would have won the trophy in 2014 when they reached the final.

Yup, Messi is on record regarding Maradona, while Maradona is on record telling Pele, that Messi has no personality.

https://www.sportbible.com/football...sonality-according-to-diego-maradona-20210429

I do not remember seeing Messi shed a tear after winning the WC (his team mates did) but Messi did cry when his childhood club Barcelona dumped him due to Messi's selfish demands.

Agree, wish Maradona was alive to witness his nation win the WC after 36 years since 1986!

Messi remains in the shadow of Maradona, and will forever be.

In terms of character there is no competition. Maradona had great charisma. However I will say Messi in this world cup , scoring in every round, fought hard was reminiscence of the GOAT.

 

[James]

Do we get a bit nostalgic about Maradona?

No doubts on the charisma.

Sometimes the genius type has a bit of a flawed personality and self destructiveness as well, like George Best, which makes them more interesting.

I have thought for many years that Maradona is in my personal opinion the Goat footballer, but perhaps Messi despite his humility and lack of devilment is now… better ?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Do we get a bit nostalgic about Maradona?

No doubts on the charisma.

Sometimes the genius type has a bit of a flawed personality and self destructiveness as well, like George Best, which makes them more interesting.

I have thought for many years that Maradona is in my personal opinion the Goat footballer, but perhaps Messi despite his humility and lack of devilment is now… better ?

I think the difference is Maradona changed the history of football in Argentina. Since his arrival, playing days and retirement Argentina has been seen as a powerhouse in football. In his days there was a lot of opposition to him, he was called a cheater, druggie etc. While Messi has had it a lot easier, being in a Barca team at young age, loved and supported to the full.

Messi wouldnt have won the WC for Argentina in 86 or taken Napoli to the Scudeto. While Maradona playing v France in the final would have routed them before 90 mins. Just my opinion.

 

[The_KING]

People say that it Maradonna was playing today, he would have done better than Messi.

Debatable.

Remember the ‘Hand of God’ goal. That goal wouldn’t have stood today. Also, Maradonna was a coke addict and with the test being more strict today, he would have been busted a lot earlier than he was.

 

[KingKhanWC]

People say that it Maradonna was playing today, he would have done better than Messi.

Debatable.

Remember the ‘Hand of God’ goal. That goal wouldn’t have stood today. Also, Maradonna was a coke addict and with the test being more strict today, he would have been busted a lot earlier than he was.

Argentina would have won the match without that goal, see his 2nd Goal, those players were simply not up to matching him..

He wouldn't have been a coke addict or booze addict as he would have been protected just like Messi has been. Thus making him even more incredible. Diego was pressured to this addiction while in Italy by the Italian Mafia in Napoli, the Camorra. In 1990 he was an addict but played an incredible world cup again, taking his team to the final against an incredible German team. Watch Arg v Brazil in 1990, Brazil were all over them until late in the 2nd half when Diego produced one of the greatest passes in history, to make the winner.

For me those who say Messi is better than Maradona are similar to those who say Mayweather is better than Ali. Put these in context, no chance.

 

[Mamoon]

Messi is humble, has carried himself very professionally over his career, for the most part.

If Maradona was around, the pressure on Messi would arguably be higher as it would mean Argentina havent won the world cup since 1978.

The game has changed since Diego retired, now players like him cant be fouled/touched as easily.

Diego was fouled a crazy 152 times in the World Cup. 2nd is Messi at 66 times. Football was far more physical in the 80's and 90's. Imagine if Diego played in this era, he would be untouchable. Argentina would have won the trophy in 2014 when they reached the final.



In terms of character there is no competition. Maradona had great charisma. However I will say Messi in this world cup , scoring in every round, fought hard was reminiscence of the GOAT.

I agree that there would have been pressure on Messi to win the World Cup if Maradona did not exist, but getting compared to Maradona when he was 16-17 subjected him to a different kind of pressure & expectations.

He was given the title of next Maradona when he was a player with potential only & not performances. He could have succumbed under the pressure but he thrived in it.

If Argentina produces another genius player like them he would probably under even more pressure to live up to Messi & Maradona.

Maradona also lost a World Cup final. There is no guarantee that he would have won the final against Germany in 2014 if he was at his peak. You can never say for sure in one-off games.

Maradona was a better leader & a more charismatic figure for sure. No one would disagree with that. He was a natural leader because he was more expressive while Messi is very reserved & quiet. However, he grew into the role & he really came into his own as a leader over the last 2-3 years. He fully matured as captain.

Football changes across eras but the great players remain great because they have qualities lesser players don’t. Maradona would be Maradona today & Messi would be Messi in the 80’s.

Defenders were allowed to kick back then but now they are far superior athletes. They are quicker & stronger. Players are also studied a lot more & each & every aspect of their game is analyzed. The way teams prepare nowadays is very different.

Also, modern players have to cope with social media pressure which is a different beast. One mistake & millions of people from all over the world subject you to humiliation & criticism.

They are pros & cons to playing in any era. You benefit in some ways & are handicapped in other ways. It is no reason to influence how you rate a player.

A lot of great defenders of the past would not get selected today because of how bad they were on the ball.

Similarly, a lot of present flying full-backs would not get picked in the previous eras because the focus was on defending when it comes to full-backs.

The reason why majority of people in the world consider Messi to be the GOAT is because no player in history has dominated both goal scoring & playmaking like he does.

Messi has 793 goals & counting in his career but even if he had less than 300 goals, he would still be one of the greatest ever because of how good a playmaker he is. This is what makes him so unique & special.

 

[Mamoon]

People who grow up with their idols in childhood find it hard to accept that someone else might have surpassed them later in life. You might be suffering from this nostalgia bias. Psychologists say this reaction is akin to feeling personally attacked when your religion or prophet is questioned by an outsider.

He is hiding behind the Maradona praise. The real reason for his embarrassment is the fact that he is a Ronaldo fan & he was adamant for a long time that Ronaldo is a better player.

All Ronaldo fans have suddenly jumped on the “Maradona is still GOAT” bandwagon to soothe their pain.

 

[Technics 1210]

There is absolutely no point in debating Maradona with millenials. Us 'boomers' are living the age of millenials but millennials have never lived our time. The millenial 'knowledge' of Maradona is through Youtube.

 

[Technics 1210]

Argentina would have won the match without that goal, see his 2nd Goal, those players were simply not up to matching him..

He wouldn't have been a coke addict or booze addict as he would have been protected just like Messi has been. Thus making him even more incredible. Diego was pressured to this addiction while in Italy by the Italian Mafia in Napoli, the Camorra. In 1990 he was an addict but played an incredible world cup again, taking his team to the final against an incredible German team. Watch Arg v Brazil in 1990, Brazil were all over them until late in the 2nd half when Diego produced one of the greatest passes in history, to make the winner.

For me those who say Messi is better than Maradona are similar to those who say Mayweather is better than Ali. Put these in context, no chance.

Millenials have no context when it comes Maradona, this is the point. All they have are Youtube videos, but no context. They have no idea what football was like back in the 80s. Everything from money, pitches, equipment, rules, leagues - it was all different back then.

What Maradona did at Napoli, Messi never did at Barcelona, not even his wildest dreams.

 

[James]

Seen this discussion sparking off on the forums today and think it’s a question that needs some serious consideration.

Who is the greatest Argentinian footballer: Maradona or Messi?

Are they also the GOAT? And why?

Add your vote!

 

[Mamoon]

Seen this discussion sparking off on the forums today and think it’s a question that needs some serious consideration.

Who is the greatest Argentinian footballer: Maradona or Messi?

Are they also the GOAT? And why?

Add your vote!

Messi.

No player in history has dominating both goal scoring & playmaking like he has.

Only two people still consider Maradona to be better: those who are influenced by nostalgia & Ronaldo fans who have no choice but to jump on the Maradona bandwagon to ease their pain.

Ronaldo was the GOAT for them until last night but now they have to say Maradona because they cannot say Messi.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

It's Messi, it's funny seeing Ronaldo fans twerk for Maradona now that their goat is in the mud

That fanbase has no shame, they ended up supporting 25% of the countries in the World Cup but it ended in disappointment

Messi stats completely blow Maradona out of the water, it isn't even close, he has the longevity of performing at the top for so long. Maradona had the edge of the World Cup but yesterday Messi removed that edge and I would argue put it in his favour due to the WC being harder to win in 2022 than it was in 1986, with it now being an expanded tournament. Plus you factor in the pressure on Messi was huge, due to the rivalry with Ronaldo and then having this expectation of matching Maradona.#

What I will say is the one thing that Maradona does have is what he did with Napoli, there's no modern player that has done anything like that but I don't think Maradona would be able to do that in this current era, the game is way more tactical nowadays.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It's Messi, it's funny seeing Ronaldo fans twerk for Maradona now that their goat is in the mud

That fanbase has no shame, they ended up supporting 25% of the countries in the World Cup but it ended in disappointment

Messi stats completely blow Maradona out of the water, it isn't even close, he has the longevity of performing at the top for so long. Maradona had the edge of the World Cup but yesterday Messi removed that edge and I would argue put it in his favour due to the WC being harder to win in 2022 than it was in 1986, with it now being an expanded tournament. Plus you factor in the pressure on Messi was huge, due to the rivalry with Ronaldo and then having this expectation of matching Maradona.#

What I will say is the one thing that Maradona does have is what he did with Napoli, there's no modern player that has done anything like that but I don't think Maradona would be able to do that in this current era, the game is way more tactical nowadays.

You're being overly emotional for a player who is not English and certainly he's never heard of Geordie land or Newcastle.

Im a LFC fan and stated if Messi wins the World Cup he will surpass Ronaldo, which he has done.

But Diego is another story. Maradona would walk the ball in the net if he was playing in this era, the reason fouling and getting away with it, is almost non-existent now. Maradona's era, it was easy to stop players dribbling, just take them out, not even a yellow would be branded.

Maradona was fouled 152 times in the World Cup. 2nd is Messi at 66 times in the world cup.

In terms of sheer ability with ball at feet. Maradona was superior in every facet, from taking penalties, to free kicks to corners, passing , dribbling , heading and even using his hand.

Btw, please post your views on Newcastle on the appropriate thread, would be nice to read bro.

 

[Technics 1210]

Maradona would walk through today's game for the simple reason in his time the rules on tackling were almost non-existent, the pitches were iffy, and the football boots were nowhere near as the next gen boots we find today. Oh did I mention the ball itself? The balls today are tested in wind tunnels, the balls of yesteryear were heavy and 'almost' sphere!

Now a days, footballers are pampered both on and off the field, with money and latest tech.

Put simply, if Maradona played for Brentford today, then Brentford would be Premier League champions, and UEFA Champions, season after season.

And yes, the Maradona vs Messi debate not only started in the World Cup commentary thread on PP - BEFORE Argentina won the World Cup, but has been ongoing for over a decade. Pity the millennials are struggling to add substance to this debate without context, which is why they were chirpy in their comfort zone when the GOTT debate was vs Ronaldo, but when it comes to the GOAT debate, it is vs. Maradona. Millennials need not apply for the later.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Millenials have no context when it comes Maradona, this is the point. All they have are Youtube videos, but no context. They have no idea what football was like back in the 80s. Everything from money, pitches, equipment, rules, leagues - it was all different back then.

What Maradona did at Napoli, Messi never did at Barcelona, not even his wildest dreams.

Messi played in great club teams. At Napoli Maradona inherited a very average team, poorly organised and lacking great players. He changed it all around to win the Serie A title, without doubt the greatest title victory in club history, alongside Leicester City. The difference being Napoli also won a European title too with Naples.

Seen this discussion sparking off on the forums today and think it’s a question that needs some serious consideration.

Who is the greatest Argentinian footballer: Maradona or Messi?

Are they also the GOAT? And why?

Add your vote!

Very good discussion.

Most will vote for Messi as they havent seen Diego. Ive never seen him play live but have watched so much of him, read his life story. No footballer comes close to his skills with the football and his achievement for his club and country.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Maradona would walk through today's game for the simple reason in his time the rules on tackling were almost non-existent, the pitches were iffy, and the football boots were nowhere near as the next gen boots we find today. Oh did I mention the ball itself? The balls today are tested in wind tunnels, the balls of yesteryear were heavy and 'almost' sphere!

Now a days, footballers are pampered both on and off the field, with money and latest tech.

Put simply, if Maradona played for Brentford today, then Brentford would be Premier League champions, and UEFA Champions, season after season.

And yes, the Maradona vs Messi debate not only started in the World Cup commentary thread on PP - BEFORE Argentina won the World Cup, but has been ongoing for over a decade. Pity the millennials are struggling to add substance to this debate without context, which is why they were chirpy in their comfort zone when the GOTT debate was vs Ronaldo, but when it comes to the GOAT debate, it is vs. Maradona. Millennials need not apply for the later.

It might sound strange but I agree with Brentford challenging for the League title, such was his brilliance.

Messi was a G in this world cup but has failed many times in big games.

When I saw him play, this is what I witnessed.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I agree that there would have been pressure on Messi to win the World Cup if Maradona did not exist, but getting compared to Maradona when he was 16-17 subjected him to a different kind of pressure & expectations.

He was given the title of next Maradona when he was a player with potential only & not performances. He could have succumbed under the pressure but he thrived in it.

If Argentina produces another genius player like them he would probably under even more pressure to live up to Messi & Maradona.

Maradona also lost a World Cup final. There is no guarantee that he would have won the final against Germany in 2014 if he was at his peak. You can never say for sure in one-off games.

Maradona was a better leader & a more charismatic figure for sure. No one would disagree with that. He was a natural leader because he was more expressive while Messi is very reserved & quiet. However, he grew into the role & he really came into his own as a leader over the last 2-3 years. He fully matured as captain.

Football changes across eras but the great players remain great because they have qualities lesser players don’t. Maradona would be Maradona today & Messi would be Messi in the 80’s.

Defenders were allowed to kick back then but now they are far superior athletes. They are quicker & stronger. Players are also studied a lot more & each & every aspect of their game is analyzed. The way teams prepare nowadays is very different.

Also, modern players have to cope with social media pressure which is a different beast. One mistake & millions of people from all over the world subject you to humiliation & criticism.

They are pros & cons to playing in any era. You benefit in some ways & are handicapped in other ways. It is no reason to influence how you rate a player.

A lot of great defenders of the past would not get selected today because of how bad they were on the ball.

Similarly, a lot of present flying full-backs would not get picked in the previous eras because the focus was on defending when it comes to full-backs.

The reason why majority of people in the world consider Messi to be the GOAT is because no player in history has dominated both goal scoring & playmaking like he does.

Messi has 793 goals & counting in his career but even if he had less than 300 goals, he would still be one of the greatest ever because of how good a playmaker he is. This is what makes him so unique & special.

Agree with most of this.

I disagree with, 2014 World Cup final was easier to win than the 1990 World Cup final, as the Argentina team was better in 2014 while the German team of 90 was on par with the Spanish team.

Stats cannot be compared here, Messi played in great club teams, Diego didnt.

One key FACT which people often dont realise or forget is Diego could play in ANY position, and maybe keeper too.

Diego could play Striker, Either Winger, Any position in Midfield. Either full back and even if needed in central defence however his height would be an issue here but such was his intelligence he would have coped with most strikers.

Messi is either striker or midfielder.

 

[Technics 1210]

It might sound strange but I agree with Brentford challenging for the League title, such was his brilliance.

Messi was a G in this world cup but has failed many times in big games.

When I saw him play, this is what I witnessed.

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And to think Messi fans thought he would roast Premier League teams!

Furthermore, Messi has relies on the talent and skill of his team mates, Maradona did not have this luxury, especially with Napoli, which is why he is accredited for winning the World Cup, Serie A titles, and European Cups - single handedly.

As for Messi being a G in this world cup, not too sure about this, out of the 7 goals he scored, 5 were from the penalty spot. [Excluding penalty shootouts too!].

 

[ElRaja]

unfair to compare, maradona was blessed from the heavens and cursed from depths of hell at the same time. for all messi's ability and talent, he's a thorough professional whose made the most of what he has.

its like comparing a jackson pollock to a swiss watch, both masterpieces in their own right but evocative of very different emotions.

messi represents the highest realisation of ones aspirations, maradona represented an unbridaled explosion of expression. ironically the one who seems most human in his shortcomings will end up being deified like none other.

i dont think messi would want it any other way either.

 

[The_KING]

Ronaldo fans are truly a shameless bunch. )

Jumping on to the Maradonna bandwagon, now that their fake god has no argument in the GOAT debate.

 

[Technics 1210]

Messi played in great club teams. At Napoli Maradona inherited a very average team, poorly organised and lacking great players. He changed it all around to win the Serie A title, without doubt the greatest title victory in club history, alongside Leicester City. The difference being Napoli also won a European title too with Naples.

https://www.goal.com/story/diego-maradona-naples-patron-saint-and-champion/index.html

Great article on what Maradona meant for the people of Napoli!

Here is the best line : "We got to know Maradona the person – not Maradona the celebrity"

This is why Charisma and Personality are vital too, the bonding agents between Sportsman and the People. Hence Maradona's is the face of Argentina football, even after Messi won the WC! And we are talking about people from old and current generations!

 

[Mamoon]

And to think Messi fans thought he would roast Premier League teams!

) ) )

Messi has not just roasted Premier League teams. He has roasted them, toasted them & spat them out.

He has scored 27 goals in 36 matches against the cream of the Premier League, i.e. the UCL qualified teams.

His record against the top Premier League sides is better than most of the top strikers in Premier League history.

27 goals in 36 matches against teams like Man United, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal & Spurs. One can only imagine what he would do to the bottom half & relegation fodder had he played in England in his peak years.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ronaldo fans are truly a shameless bunch. )

Jumping on to the Maradonna bandwagon, now that their fake god has no argument in the GOAT debate.

Why would an LFC fan think Ronaldo is their God

What we do know for sure 100% Ronaldo is the Greatest ever play to wear the Utd shirt, yet he most fans of this club hate him now, such is their confusion )

 

[Technics 1210]

Most will vote for Messi as they havent seen Diego. Ive never seen him play live but have watched so much of him, read his life story. No footballer comes close to his skills with the football and his achievement for his club and country.

Spot on.

Plus Millennials can only contribute to the Ronaldo vs Messi GOTT debate, however they are not qualified for Maradona vs Messi GOAT debate simply because they never watched THE GOAT Maradona play.

On another note, if the Ballon d'Or was awarded to Non-European footballers at the time, Maradona would have more that Messi. No doubt about it.

 

[Technics 1210]

Why would an LFC fan think Ronaldo is their God

What we do know for sure 100% Ronaldo is the Greatest ever play to wear the Utd shirt, yet he most fans of this club hate him now, such is their confusion )

Only the fake Man U fans hate Ronaldo, the genuine fans of Man United actually agree with most of his views in the Piers Morgan interview! The same fans who were upset he signed up to Real Madrid for a whopping £90M! Including the pundits and ex-players of Man U!

Then again, most Man United fans are glory supporters, hence the confusion.

 

[KingKhanWC]

And to think Messi fans thought he would roast Premier League teams!

Furthermore, Messi has relies on the talent and skill of his team mates, Maradona did not have this luxury, especially with Napoli, which is why he is accredited for winning the World Cup, Serie A titles, and European Cups - single handedly.

As for Messi being a G in this world cup, not too sure about this, out of the 7 goals he scored, 5 were from the penalty spot. [Excluding penalty shootouts too!].

I think Messi fought hard ,tried his best as best as he could with his talent in this world cup.

At Anfield Andy Robertson owned him for much of the first half. 2nd half VVD and others made him look like a Sunday League player. This would never have happened to Diego.

 

[Mamoon]

Agree with most of this.

I disagree with, 2014 World Cup final was easier to win than the 1990 World Cup final, as the Argentina team was better in 2014 while the German team of 90 was on par with the Spanish team.

Stats cannot be compared here, Messi played in great club teams, Diego didnt.

One key FACT which people often dont realise or forget is Diego could play in ANY position, and maybe keeper too.

Diego could play Striker, Either Winger, Any position in Midfield. Either full back and even if needed in central defence however his height would be an issue here but such was his intelligence he would have coped with most strikers.

Messi is either striker or midfielder.

People don’t realize this because it is a complete myth not a fact. Messi has played as ST, CF, false 9, CAM, CM & winger & he was phenomenal at each & every position.

When he first started his career, he predominantly played as a winger before Guardiola moved him to a central role where he would play as number 9, false 9 or a CF.

For Argentina, because they had an abundance of number 9s, he mostly played as a CAM. Over the last couple of years when he has lost some of his explosive pace, he has played more as a CM/box to box midfielder.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Only the fake Man U fans hate Ronaldo, the genuine fans of Man United actually agree with most of his views in the Piers Morgan interview! The same fans who were upset he signed up to Real Madrid for a whopping £90M! Including the pundits and ex-players of Man U!

Then again, most Man United fans are glory supporters, hence the confusion.

Hmm, yes [MENTION=138670]The_KING[/MENTION] could be a plastic fan.

I would shocked when his hate was so much for what is THE GREATEST TO WEAR THE SHIRT.

My point is IF a so called fan doesnt like the greatest player to play for his club, how can such a fan understand Diego Maradona?

 

[The_KING]

Why would an LFC fan think Ronaldo is their God

What we do know for sure 100% Ronaldo is the Greatest ever play to wear the Utd shirt, yet he most fans of this club hate him now, such is their confusion )

You support Liverpool? I always thought you were a Chelsea fan. I only just saw the picture of the pace merchant Salah in your avatar.

Ronaldo isn't even hated by most United fans. They still love him.

 

[The_KING]

Hmm, yes [MENTION=138670]The_KING[/MENTION] could be a plastic fan.

I would shocked when his hate was so much for what is THE GREATEST TO WEAR THE SHIRT.

My point is IF a so called fan doesnt like the greatest player to play for his club, how can such a fan understand Diego Maradona?

Supporting Man United means I have to like every single player that played for Man United? I have seen many great players over the last 20 years play for Man United. Why the hell should I worship Ronaldo, who spent the best years of his career at Real Madrid? I don't have that emotional connection with Ronaldo, that I have with Rooney, Ferdinand, Scholes, Giggs, Keane etc.

 

[Technics 1210]

) ) )

Messi has not just roasted Premier League teams. He has roasted them, toasted them & spat them out.

He has scored 27 goals in 36 matches against the cream of the Premier League, i.e. the UCL qualified teams.

His record against the top Premier League sides is better than most of the top strikers in Premier League history.

27 goals in 36 matches against teams like Man United, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal & Spurs. One can only imagine what he would do to the bottom half & relegation fodder had he played in England in his peak years.

UCL qualified teams? 5 Premier League teams won the UEFA Champions League since Messi debuted for Barcelona in 2004, and Messi's Barcelona, 4 times. 2004 - 2022. WHat was Messi doing if he wasn't roasting? Microwaving?

During which, Messi, squandered a 3-0 lead at Anfield in a UCL match. Roasted? More like defrosting.

Stats are nothing without context.

 

[KingKhanWC]

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People don’t realize this because it is a complete myth not a fact. Messi has played as ST, CF, false 9, CAM, CM & winger & he was phenomenal at each & every position.

When he first started his career, he predominantly played as a winger before Guardiola moved him to a central role where he would play as number 9, false 9 or a CF.

For Argentina, because they had an abundance of number 9s, he mostly played as a CAM. Over the last couple of years when he has lost some of his explosive pace, he has played more as a CM/box to box midfielder.

Semantics. Its either up front or in midfiled. He never played much as a winger and is not suited to this position. Managers often are arrogant and try other methods.

Diego could have played right back or left back all his career and would have the GOAT in those positions.

I would urge people to watch Diego Maradona (2019)HBO.

We also need to remember the mental monster Diego was. You will see this in the film.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Supporting Man United means I have to like every single player that played for Man United? I have seen many great players over the last 20 years play for Man United. Why the hell should I worship Ronaldo, who spent the best years of his career at Real Madrid? I don't have that emotional connection with Ronaldo, that I have with Rooney, Ferdinand, Scholes, Giggs, Keane etc.

Simple question.

Is Christiano Ronaldo the GOAT to wear the Utd shirt? Yes or No

 

[Technics 1210]

I think Messi fought hard ,tried his best as best as he could with his talent in this world cup.

At Anfield Andy Robertson owned him for much of the first half. 2nd half VVD and others made him look like a Sunday League player. This would never have happened to Diego.

Diego would have run riot and converted a 3-0 1st leg lead to 6-0. All in the 1st half.

 

[The_KING]

Simple question.

Is Christiano Ronaldo the GOAT to wear the Utd shirt? Yes or No

Ability wise, he is the greatest to wear the United shirt, but it doesn't make him the biggest Man United legend.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Ability wise, he is the greatest to wear the United shirt, but it doesn't make him the biggest Man United legend.

I don't think he was the greatest when at Man Utd.

Most United fans I know would put Cantona ahead of Ronaldo ( not in terms of overall career but in terms of their overall man utd impact imo)

Don't get me wrong - he was excellent at United but he took his career to a different level at Madrid.

 

[Technics 1210]

Ronaldo 1st stint at Man United

Premier League - 2006/07, 2007/08, 2008/09

UEFA Champions League - 2007/08

FA Cup - 2003/04

EFL Cup - 2005/06, 2008/09

FIFA Club World Cup -2008

FA Community Shield -2007


He then repeats a similar feat at Real Madrid and Juventus. Unreal!

No wonder plastic Man U fans hate Ronaldo, they never wanted him to leave Man U in the first place!

 

[KingKhanWC]

Diego would have run riot and converted a 3-0 1st leg lead to 6-0. All in the 1st half.

In ones comfort zone one can be great. But THE great of all time will perform outside of the comfort zone.

See Diego v AC Milan who were a GOAT team is all one needs to see to see there can be nobody like him.

Ability wise, he is the greatest to wear the United shirt, but it doesn't make him the biggest Man United legend.

Thanks. He deserves Utd fans respect simply for his ability.

 

[Technics 1210]

Semantics. Its either up front or in midfiled. He never played much as a winger and is not suited to this position. Managers often are arrogant and try other methods.

Diego could have played right back or left back all his career and would have the GOAT in those positions.

I would urge people to watch Diego Maradona (2019)HBO.

We also need to remember the mental monster Diego was. You will see this in the film.

Stunning Documentary, such a pity he got involved with the wrong crowd, otherwise, he'd be a 3 times World Cup winner. Winner in 86, Runner Up in 90, and banned in 94.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I find it difficult to make a comparison between eras.

i didn't grow up watching Maradona but he had an aura and charisma that captured the whole world. Every country (apart from England) felt like Maradona was theres.

Although I do think people who have grown up in England will have a bias towards Maradonna because of the epic phainta he gave England. It's left deep scars on their media and their fans. They felt like something other wordly denied them a world cup and this is why Maradonna has a bigger stature amongst England fans and the English media because they believe England to be the centre of the world.

I've only seen Messi play, live a couple of times too and he is a magician. We are privileged to have him, some of his achievements will never be matched. Overall I am happy that Argentina can lay claim to two of the GOATs of football.

 

[Technics 1210]

In ones comfort zone one can be great. But THE great of all time will perform outside of the comfort zone.

See Diego v AC Milan who were a GOAT team is all one needs to see to see there can be nobody like him.

Amazing! Just amazing! Ronaldo is another player who has performed out of his comfort zone, unlike Messi however is still struggling in the farmer's league. No wonder his move to Miami is gaining ground!

 

[KingKhanWC]

Stunning Documentary, such a pity he got involved with the wrong crowd, otherwise, he'd be a 3 times World Cup winner. Winner in 86, Runner Up in 90, and banned in 94.

It was tragic to see the Italian Mafia trying to control someone who loved Naples as much as he loved Argentina.

Many dont know but when Argentina played v Italy in Italia90 World Cup, 90%+ of Neapolitans SUPPORTED ARGENTINA against their own country! When Argentina beat Italy via Pens, Naples was celebrating as if they won the World Cup!

 

[The_KING]

I don't think he was the greatest when at Man Utd.

Most United fans I know would put Cantona ahead of Ronaldo ( not in terms of overall career but in terms of their overall man utd impact imo)

Don't get me wrong - he was excellent at United but he took his career to a different level at Madrid.

I agree that Cantona had a bigger impact at United. And plenty of others as well such as Rooney, Giggs, Keane, Scholes, Robson, Charlton and many more.

Ronaldo was great at United during 03-09, but like you said, he had his best years at Madrid. Why should I as a United fan feel emotionally connected to a player who didn't give his best years to my club? Just because he played for my club, I should be a Ronaldo ****** according to [MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION].

 

[The_KING]

Thanks. He deserves Utd fans respect simply for his ability.

Oh, I respect Ronaldo's ability and his accomplishments, but from the very beginning, I didn't warm up to him because of his personality.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

You're being overly emotional for a player who is not English and certainly he's never heard of Geordie land or Newcastle.

Im a LFC fan and stated if Messi wins the World Cup he will surpass Ronaldo, which he has done.

But Diego is another story. Maradona would walk the ball in the net if he was playing in this era, the reason fouling and getting away with it, is almost non-existent now. Maradona's era, it was easy to stop players dribbling, just take them out, not even a yellow would be branded.

Maradona was fouled 152 times in the World Cup. 2nd is Messi at 66 times in the world cup.

In terms of sheer ability with ball at feet. Maradona was superior in every facet, from taking penalties, to free kicks to corners, passing , dribbling , heading and even using his hand.

Btw, please post your views on Newcastle on the appropriate thread, would be nice to read bro.

Really not sure the relevance of your first paragraph, just sharing my thoughts, no idea what makes it emotional.

I could apply the same about Maradona towards you and your club but what relevance does that have?

As for Maradona I never saw him play live, it's all clips and documentaries and it's safe to say he was a genius, players we never got to see fully lives I think benefit from the misty eyed as we don't know about the bad games they had.

Players in this current era have way more scrutiny, every kick of a ball by Messi has been captured, same applies to CR7.

Ultimately, when it comes to comparing players from different eras it's difficult but the stats do help. Maradona had a 1 in 3 record for Argentina and his league scoring record was very good without being extraordinary.

What Messi and Ronaldo did in terms of numbers is put them some distance ahead of the rest. That's how you know players are a different level.

Maradona didn't do that and there will be various factors for it, the players he played with but also the limited scrutiny meant he could coast in games and there's no big deal. We see what happens when Messi or Ronaldo don't score, it creates huge drama.

As for Newcastle, once the league gets going I will share my views but in short I'm over the moon with how we have progressed so far.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Amazing! Just amazing! Ronaldo is another player who has performed out of his comfort zone, unlike Messi however is still struggling in the farmer's league. No wonder his move to Miami is gaining ground!

He's just lifted the World Cup whilst being player of the tournament, don't talk silly

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

And to think Messi fans thought he would roast Premier League teams!

Furthermore, Messi has relies on the talent and skill of his team mates, Maradona did not have this luxury, especially with Napoli, which is why he is accredited for winning the World Cup, Serie A titles, and European Cups - single handedly.

As for Messi being a G in this world cup, not too sure about this, out of the 7 goals he scored, 5 were from the penalty spot. [Excluding penalty shootouts too!].

If you are going to post stats then at least make them correct, I've noticed this 5 penalties getting shared a lot, either it's deliberate misinformation or just shows people share information without any thought, neither reflects well

It was 4 penalties out of 7 goals, plus 3 assists, 2 of the assists being World Class

If you want to remove penalties then he still finishes 2nd for goals+assist behind only Mbappe

Plus he created a few more big chances which were mostly squandered by Lautaro

 

[Technics 1210]

If you are going to post stats then at least make them correct, I've noticed this 5 penalties getting shared a lot, either it's deliberate misinformation or just shows people share information without any thought, neither reflects well

It was 4 penalties out of 7 goals, plus 3 assists, 2 of the assists being World Class

If you want to remove penalties then he still finishes 2nd for goals+assist behind only Mbappe

Plus he created a few more big chances which were mostly squandered by Lautaro

Oh give it a rest. Messi still scored more penalties out of the 7, this was the point. Forget Mbappe, he is barely in the frame for ATG status, currently.

.

 

[Technics 1210]

He's just lifted the World Cup whilst being player of the tournament, don't talk silly

What are you on about? Messi at PSG was the point, and he is not performing at PSG even remotely close to the level he was at Barcelona. Why? Out of his comfort zone.

 

[Technics 1210]

I agree that Cantona had a bigger impact at United. And plenty of others as well such as Rooney, Giggs, Keane, Scholes, Robson, Charlton and many more.

Ronaldo was great at United during 03-09, but like you said, he had his best years at Madrid. Why should I as a United fan feel emotionally connected to a player who didn't give his best years to my club? Just because he played for my club, I should be a Ronaldo ****** according to [MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION].

You have just proved my point in bold. You hate Ronaldo cos he bailed on United to join Real Madrid.

I knew it! Nothing to do with his interview, but the pain of Man U missing out on Ronaldo's peak years.

Funny thing is, Messi never played for your club either but you clearly have an emotional attachment with him, I guess you had to pick sides in the Messi/Ronaldo debate. Couldn't be Ronaldo, so left you with Messi.

Makes complete sense now.

 

[Technics 1210]

It was tragic to see the Italian Mafia trying to control someone who loved Naples as much as he loved Argentina.

Many dont know but when Argentina played v Italy in Italia90 World Cup, 90%+ of Neapolitans SUPPORTED ARGENTINA against their own country! When Argentina beat Italy via Pens, Naples was celebrating as if they won the World Cup!

I remember watching that match!

When the Neapolitans started singing the national anthem of Argentina, Maradona didn't like it, not because the Neapolitans were supporting Argentina, but because the match was scheduled in Napoli, and he felt FIFA were fanning the flames deliberately.

 

[Technics 1210]

Watching highlights, reading articles, sitting through documentaries of past players, at best can give you an idea of skill and talent, and a sense of achievement - but all of this lacks context.

Example, 1986 WC QF, what millenials do not know was that match was more than football, it was an all out revenge for the Falklands war - in this match Maradona set the seeds of his GOAT status, and above all was adored by Argentina because the nation felt he had avenged the Falklands war of 1982, of course when he won the World Cup, he went from GOAT to God status, especially in Argentina.

This is precisely why you will see more Maradona banners/pictures/murals in Argentina than any Argentinian player in history, including Messi.

Even in this World Cup, Argentina team were singing "F*** the English in Falklands" - a trend set by Maradona.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wYzHiA5hZeI

I just wish Maradona were alive today to witness his nation win the WC after 36 years, he would have displayed emotions beyond belief.

 

[The_KING]

You have just proved my point in bold. You hate Ronaldo cos he bailed on United to join Real Madrid.

I knew it! Nothing to do with his interview, but the pain of Man U missing out on Ronaldo's peak years.

Funny thing is, Messi never played for your club either but you clearly have an emotional attachment with him, I guess you had to pick sides in the Messi/Ronaldo debate. Couldn't be Ronaldo, so left you with Messi.

Makes complete sense now.

Forgive me if I don't feel emotionally connected to a player who used my club as a stepping stone to get a move to Real Madrid.

As for why I support Messi, because he is my favourite type of player. Left foot, winger, dribbler, playmaker. I am a Man United fan but I am also a football fan.

Bro, you need to let go of the Messi hate and just relax yourself.

 

[The_KING]

What are you on about? Messi at PSG was the point, and he is not performing at PSG even remotely close to the level he was at Barcelona. Why? Out of his comfort zone.

He has performed well at PSG. Just not scoring as many goals as he once did. Clearly, Messi's game is more than just goals, but as a Ronaldo fan, you won't understand that, as your hero can't impact a game of football without boosting his personal goalscoring stats.

 

[Aman]

Both dine on the same table with Pele.

I never saw either Maradona or Pele, but I just can't imagine another human being better than Messi.

 

[Aman]

Ronaldo 1st stint at Man United

Premier League - 2006/07, 2007/08, 2008/09

UEFA Champions League - 2007/08

FA Cup - 2003/04

EFL Cup - 2005/06, 2008/09

FIFA Club World Cup -2008

FA Community Shield -2007


He then repeats a similar feat at Real Madrid and Juventus. Unreal!

No wonder plastic Man U fans hate Ronaldo, they never wanted him to leave Man U in the first place!

This is a discussion about the GOATs. What on earth is Ronaldo's name doing in this thread?

Blasphemous.

 

[Technics 1210]

Forgive me if I don't feel emotionally connected to a player who used my club as a stepping stone to get a move to Real Madrid.

As for why I support Messi, because he is my favourite type of player. Left foot, winger, dribbler, playmaker. I am a Man United fan but I am also a football fan.

Bro, you need to let go of the Messi hate and just relax yourself.

You are forgiven, because your POV makes complete sense now. Though you have made it even worse by claiming you don't like Ronaldo cos he used Man U as a stepping stone to move to Madrid. Are you really a football fan? How many players transfer from one club to another at the start of their peak in their careers? Loads. Even Cantona used Leeds as a stepping atone to play for Man U!

I don't hate Messi, I already stated he is a once in a generation player and he will be missed, I just don't agree he is the Goat, and millenials need to come to terms with the fact that disagreement does not equate to hatered.

And it's you who needs to calm down, you take critisim of Messi very seriously as if he is your family member, as I said weeks ago, a real football fan would appreciate both Ronaldo and Messi, yes we can have a favourite, you clearly do not appreciate both players, but this is ok - it's not like any of these players know we exist anyway.

 

[Technics 1210]

He has performed well at PSG. Just not scoring as many goals as he once did. Clearly, Messi's game is more than just goals, but as a Ronaldo fan, you won't understand that, as your hero can't impact a game of football without boosting his personal goalscoring stats.

I know CR7 has performed and achieved at 3 different clubs. Proving he is not a one club hit number and can play outside his comfort zone. This pains you because you'd prefer he had endes his career at Man U.

Do you hate Beckham as well? He used Man U as a stepping stool and also join Real Madrid.

As for Messi at PSG, ok if you think he is playing well at PSG, given the standards he had set at Barcelona, then fine, then I guess his rumoured move to Miami can be quelled.

 

[Technics 1210]

What people do not realise is that greatness is not just about stats, but about impact. Impact on the game, impact on a club, impact on the fans, and impact on a nation.

Consider the following:

Prior to 1986, Pele was the defacto GOAT. No questions. 3 World Cup wins between 1958 and 1970, could have won in 1966 if wasn't for his injury during the WC. Never played for a European club because he was declared a national treausre by Brazil which meant he had to play in Brazil! The impact Pele had at the world stage of football has never been repeated, and the 1970 WC Brazil team is voted the best WC team in history, but it took Pele 12 years to achieve this status.

Messi debuted in 2004 for Barcelona, and after hitting his peak years in 2014/2015, he was entering the debate for Goat status, but the WC eluded him. Now that he has a WC win, he is in the GOAT debate. Time taken, 18 years!

Now on to Maradona, this guy played in 2 WCs, for Napoli, between 1984 and 1991. Within this window, not only did Maradona propel Napoli to crowning achievements, but also lead Argentina to 2 consecutive WC finals, winning 86 ofcourse, already regarded as a GOAT by 1990. Window of 7 years.

What took Pele 12 years, what took Messi 18 years, took Maradona a mere 7 years.

Maradona - THE GOAT.

 

[sweep_shot]

I am a fan of both Messi and Maradona.

I vote for Maradona because it was Maradona who started it all. Messi probably took inspiration from Maradona himself.

Messi is someone who continued Maradona's legacy.

 

[sweep_shot]

I am a fan of both Messi and Maradona.

I vote for Maradona because it was Maradona who started it all. Messi probably took inspiration from Maradona himself.

Messi is someone who continued Maradona's legacy.

Actually, I voted for "can't decide".

But, it is true that Messi was continuing Maradona's legacy in a way. Maradona is like Imran Khan while Messi is like Wasim Akram.

 

[RajBan]

Maradona by a country mile. Maradona never got any protection during his playing days, played with a vastly mediocre Argentina team when he won the world Cup against much stronger teams such as France and Brazil. As good as Messi is, he has been surrounded by equally talented footballers in that Barcelona team to allow him to excel. Maradona played a relegation candidate Napoli in those days and made them champions during the glory days of Italian football when Milan clubs were very strong. Comparing Messi with Maradona based on number of goals can only be done if you are relatively new to football and do not understand context on how the sport worked in 80s and 90s.

 

[happydavy]

Maradona's legacy is beyond the football skills, what he achieved as a leader is simply unparallel. Cocaine addict binging on cocaine for 3 straight nights from sun to wed only to cleanse himself on thu and fri and practise on sat to win a game on sunday. This was basically his schedule for years he was in Naples and yet pulled them up from the brink of relegation to the lower league to make them the Italian champions and then end it by defeating Italy in the same stadium, where he was revered as the god to become a devil in one night. There is absolutely no parallel to such a story. Maradona was god's kid.

 

[Mamoon]

Semantics. Its either up front or in midfiled. He never played much as a winger and is not suited to this position. Managers often are arrogant and try other methods.

Diego could have played right back or left back all his career and would have the GOAT in those positions.

I would urge people to watch Diego Maradona (2019)HBO.

We also need to remember the mental monster Diego was. You will see this in the film.

Semantics? You made an ignorant comment & now you are making excuses. Messi has played in all those positions & excelled.

He was a phenomenal goal scorer in his prime, amazing dribbler, passer, his vision was second to none & he was also rapid. He would have been the GOAT in every position.

It seems like you have not watched Messi play apart from a handful of matches in the UCL. If you did you wouldn’t make such ignorant statements.

 

[Mamoon]

UCL qualified teams? 5 Premier League teams won the UEFA Champions League since Messi debuted for Barcelona in 2004, and Messi's Barcelona, 4 times. 2004 - 2022. WHat was Messi doing if he wasn't roasting? Microwaving?

During which, Messi, squandered a 3-0 lead at Anfield in a UCL match. Roasted? More like defrosting.

Stats are nothing without context.

What a load of drivel )

Messi’s goal scoring record against the PL teams is staggering & it is even more impressive when you take into account that he has ONLY played against the PL teams that have qualified for the UCL.

Imagine what he would have done to teams like Aston Villa, Southampton, Brighton, Wolves etc. in his pomp.

During Messi’s peak (2008) onwards, he crossed paths with multiple English teams & he only lost twice to them. He destroyed elite PL defenders like Ferdinand & Vidic when they were in their prime & was even beating them in the air.

You clearly don’t know anything about football, which was made clear when you stated that Haaland would struggle in England. How you wish you could delete that “expert analysis” now )

You are one of those deluded PL fans who thinks it is still the toughest league in the world & players who come here from elsewhere cannot excel.

That couldn’t be further from the truth. Every single talented player that has come to England over the last 10-15 years & was in his prime years has dominated, & all these players were not even half as good as Messi.

The only context here is that you don’t know the first thing about football. Posters should keep that in mind before responding to your drivel.

 

[Technics 1210]

What a load of drivel )

Messi’s goal scoring record against the PL teams is staggering & it is even more impressive when you take into account that he has ONLY played against the PL teams that have qualified for the UCL.

Imagine what he would have done to teams like Aston Villa, Southampton, Brighton, Wolves etc. in his pomp.

During Messi’s peak (2008) onwards, he crossed paths with multiple English teams & he only lost twice to them. He destroyed elite PL defenders like Ferdinand & Vidic when they were in their prime & was even beating them in the air.

You clearly don’t know anything about football, which was made clear when you stated that Haaland would struggle in England. How you wish you could delete that “expert analysis” now )

You are one of those deluded PL fans who thinks it is still the toughest league in the world & players who come here from elsewhere cannot excel.

That couldn’t be further from the truth. Every single talented player that has come to England over the last 10-15 years & was in his prime years has dominated, & all these players were not even half as good as Messi.

The only context here is that you don’t know the first thing about football. Posters should keep that in mind before responding to your drivel.

Triggered.

)

 

[Mamoon]

Triggered.

)

That is what Ronaldo fans have been doing for a week after their idol was benched in the QF & their hopes of him winning the World Cup squashed.

First they became Croatia fans in the semifinal, then they became French fans in the final & after the GOAT lifted the World Cup, they became Maradona fans )

Had France won the final, they would still be Ronaldo fans & claim that Messi the bottler didn’t win the World Cup so he lost his chance to become the GOAT. They wouldn’t care about Maradona then.

Now that Messi did it, they have become Maradona fans.

This World Cup has been a complete nightmare for Ronaldo fans. Messi wins the World Cup, Messi wins the Golden Ball (only player to do it twice, even Maradona couldn’t do it twice) while Ronaldo was relegated to the bench.

 

[Technics 1210]

What a load of drivel )

Messi’s goal scoring record against the PL teams is staggering & it is even more impressive when you take into account that he has ONLY played against the PL teams that have qualified for the UCL.

Imagine what he would have done to teams like Aston Villa, Southampton, Brighton, Wolves etc. in his pomp.

During Messi’s peak (2008) onwards, he crossed paths with multiple English teams & he only lost twice to them. He destroyed elite PL defenders like Ferdinand & Vidic when they were in their prime & was even beating them in the air.

You clearly don’t know anything about football, which was made clear when you stated that Haaland would struggle in England. How you wish you could delete that “expert analysis” now )

You are one of those deluded PL fans who thinks it is still the toughest league in the world & players who come here from elsewhere cannot excel.

That couldn’t be further from the truth. Every single talented player that has come to England over the last 10-15 years & was in his prime years has dominated, & all these players were not even half as good as Messi.

The only context here is that you don’t know the first thing about football. Posters should keep that in mind before responding to your drivel.

Nothing you have said changes what I have said.

Messi did squander a 3-0 lead vs Liverpool in UCL, and 5 PL teams did win the UCL during Messi's career at Barcelona, which is why you have been reduced to imagining Messi vs Aston Villa, Southampton, Brighton, Wolves etc.

Coming from the guy who said Messi would score 25 goals at his first PSG season, you are the last person to be taken seriously.

 

[Technics 1210]

Messi wins the Golden Ball (only player to do it twice, even Maradona couldn’t do it twice)

Millennials need not contribute to the Maradona vs debate, Maradonna only had to do it once, and won the WC at his 2nd attempt to secure his GOAT status, meanwhile Messi got lucky on his 5th attempt at winning the World Cup.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Oh give it a rest. Messi still scored more penalties out of the 7, this was the point. Forget Mbappe, he is barely in the frame for ATG status, currently.

.

Give it a rest? You lied, not me, so I suggest you are the one that needs to give it a rest.

It was 4 penalties, not 5.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Nothing you have said changes what I have said.

Messi did squander a 3-0 lead vs Liverpool in UCL, and 5 PL teams did win the UCL during Messi's career at Barcelona, which is why you have been reduced to imagining Messi vs Aston Villa, Southampton, Brighton, Wolves etc.

Coming from the guy who said Messi would score 25 goals at his first PSG season, you are the last person to be taken seriously.

This is absurd, it was Barca that squandered it not Messi

but if you want to play that game

Ronaldo got eliminated by Ajax, Porto and Lyon in the CL with Juventus. He got knocked out by teams in "farmers" league, he even got scared of the ball when in the wall when they lost to Porto

 

[Technics 1210]

Give it a rest? You lied, not me, so I suggest you are the one that needs to give it a rest.

It was 4 penalties, not 5.

Yes give it a rest, the point stands, 4 or 5, is still more than half of the 7 goals Messi scored outside of penalty shootouts.

You can sugar-coat this fact this with 'assists'.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

What a load of drivel )

Messi’s goal scoring record against the PL teams is staggering & it is even more impressive when you take into account that he has ONLY played against the PL teams that have qualified for the UCL.

Imagine what he would have done to teams like Aston Villa, Southampton, Brighton, Wolves etc. in his pomp.

During Messi’s peak (2008) onwards, he crossed paths with multiple English teams & he only lost twice to them. He destroyed elite PL defenders like Ferdinand & Vidic when they were in their prime & was even beating them in the air.

You clearly don’t know anything about football, which was made clear when you stated that Haaland would struggle in England. How you wish you could delete that “expert analysis” now )

You are one of those deluded PL fans who thinks it is still the toughest league in the world & players who come here from elsewhere cannot excel.

That couldn’t be further from the truth. Every single talented player that has come to England over the last 10-15 years & was in his prime years has dominated, & all these players were not even half as good as Messi.

The only context here is that you don’t know the first thing about football. Posters should keep that in mind before responding to your drivel.

This argument I've had with Ronaldo ******* for years, it's absolutely laughable

If Messi's record against the top English sides was average or poor then there is an argument to be had however we know that isn't the case, his record is class

And like you say, the idea that he would come to the PL and suddenly struggle against players like Grant Hanley, Paul Dummett, Mings etc etc is just absurd

Messi performed in La Liga, performed in the CL and performed at the greatest stage of them all, the World Cup. Anyone that thinks he would struggle in a league that's lesser than the CL/World Cup is just clueless about football

 

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This is absurd, it was Barca that squandered it not Messi

but if you want to play that game

I think you need to pay attention. A user is claiming Messi would run riot vs Premier League teams, I was responding in the context of his silly claim.

What is absurd is Mamoon's claim, which is why he has resorted to imaginary lines up between Messi and low grade PL teams.

Though yeah, Messi is no Maradona, who won tournaments singlehandedly like the 86 World cup.