Maradona v Messi

[Geordie Ahmed]

Yes give it a rest, the point stands, 4 or 5, is still more than half of the 7 goals Messi scored outside of penalty shootouts.

You can sugar-coat this fact this with 'assists'.

I'm not sugar coating anything, you were suggesting he hasn't been all that as he scored 5 out of 7 penalties

I rightly corrected you that it was 4 penalties and that he also got assists

And I also highlighted where his numbers sit amongst other players as it is a factor in determining who the best player of the tournament was

I'm curious though, who do you think was player of the tournament? Give me your top 3?

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I think you need to pay attention. A user is claiming Messi would run riot vs Premier League teams, I was responding in the context of his silly claim.

What is absurd is Mamoon's claim, which is why he has resorted to imaginary lines up between Messi and low grade PL teams.

Though yeah, Messi is no Maradona, who won tournaments singlehandedly like the 86 World cup.

His overall record suggests that he would perform against PL teams, games in isolation are the exception and not the rule

The reason Mamoon brings up low grade PL teams is that if he played in the PL those are the teams he would face and if you think he would have struggled to score against Norwich, West Brom, Newcastle (before Howe) then this sport isn't for you

 

[Technics 1210]

I'm not sugar coating anything, you were suggesting he hasn't been all that as he scored 5 out of 7 penalties

I rightly corrected you that it was 4 penalties and that he also got assists

And I also highlighted where his numbers sit amongst other players as it is a factor in determining who the best player of the tournament was

I'm curious though, who do you think was player of the tournament? Give me your top 3?

It was 5 penalties he missed one, scored 4. I do not see why you are fixated with this point. Fact is more than half his goals in the World Cup were from the Penalty spot.

I am not interested in Messi numbers - pointless.

In 1986 WC, Maradona scored 5 goals ended up being player of the Tournament. Gary Lineker won the Golden Boot in 1986. One cemented his stated as THE GOAT, the other as THE WOKE. So don't throw me numbers.

As for top 3 in the World Cup, Mbappe, Martinez, and the 3rd is NOT Messi.

 

[Technics 1210]

His overall record suggests that he would perform against PL teams, games in isolation are the exception and not the rule

The reason Mamoon brings up low grade PL teams is that if he played in the PL those are the teams he would face and if you think he would have struggled to score against Norwich, West Brom, Newcastle (before Howe) then this sport isn't for you

Suggestion is not the same as fact.

And again pay attention to the user Mamoon, he was referring to PL teams in the UCL - Norwich, West Brom, Newcastle etc were in the UCL between 2004-2020 were they? No.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

It was 5 penalties he missed one, scored 4. I do not see why you are fixated with this point. Fact is more than half his goals in the World Cup were from the Penalty spot.

I am not interested in Messi numbers - pointless.

In 1986 WC, Maradona scored 5 goals ended up being player of the Tournament. Gary Lineker won the Golden Boot in 1986. One cemented his stated as THE GOAT, the other as THE WOKE. So don't throw me numbers.

As for top 3 in the World Cup, Mbappe, Martinez, and the 3rd is NOT Messi.

So who is the 3rd?

Also does Messi make your team of the tournament?

If you want to say Maradaona>Messi then carry on but it's quite clear you have an agenda against Messi and it's actually laughable

I don't know you or your posting history but if you've made the Ronaldo>Messi claim then I understand why you would be upset by the events over the last month or so

The fact you are putting in Mbappe who was very average in both the QF and Semi Final speaks volumes

Also I've never said Maradona didn't deserve his player of the tournament in 1986 but the fact is also that Messi won player of the tournament

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Suggestion is not the same as fact.

And again pay attention to the user Mamoon, he was referring to PL teams in the UCL - Norwich, West Brom, Newcastle etc were in the UCL between 2004-2020 were they? No.

Nobody has presented it as a fact but it's a logical conclusion

Ronaldo hasn't played in Scotland, it's a fair to suggest he would score goals for fun but it isn't a fact

He referred to PL teams in the UCL as those are the teams he faced in his career but if Messi played in the PL he would have faced those terrible sides and it is more than reasonable to suggest he would have performed against them, suggesting otherwise is ludicrous

 

[Technics 1210]

So who is the 3rd?

Also does Messi make your team of the tournament?

If you want to say Maradaona>Messi then carry on but it's quite clear you have an agenda against Messi and it's actually laughable

I don't know you or your posting history but if you've made the Ronaldo>Messi claim then I understand why you would be upset by the events over the last month or so

The fact you are putting in Mbappe who was very average in both the QF and Semi Final speaks volumes

Also I've never said Maradona didn't deserve his player of the tournament in 1986 but the fact is also that Messi won player of the tournament

Let it go, people have different opinions and you millennials need to understand this. It's a pity you never watched Maradona live on TV or at a game, otherwise your opinion would be different right now too, guaranteed.

So what if I think Maradona>Messi? You think I am alone in this opinion? So what if I think Ronaldo>Messi? You think I am alone in this opinion?

Who said Messi wasn't worthy of the player of the tournament? I did? Or did you insinuate?

And my posts are in English, I clearly mentioned in this thread, and other threads, Messi is a player of the current generation and will be missed. You equate this to hatred and an agenda? Pathetic. What's with your insecurity?

Now go grab your aloe vera coated tissues.

 

[Technics 1210]

Nobody has presented it as a fact but it's a logical conclusion

Ronaldo hasn't played in Scotland, it's a fair to suggest he would score goals for fun but it isn't a fact

He referred to PL teams in the UCL as those are the teams he faced in his career but if Messi played in the PL he would have faced those terrible sides and it is more than reasonable to suggest he would have performed against them, suggesting otherwise is ludicrous

Oh a logical conclusion, I see, like Messi would score 25+ goals in his first season at PSG based on his performance at Barcelona.

Okay, got it.

Deary me.

 

[Technics 1210]

PS: Messi would be in my team of the tournament, just not in my top 3 player list of the tournament.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Let it go, people have different opinions and you millennials need to understand this. It's a pity you never watched Maradona live on TV or at a game, otherwise your opinion would be different right now too, guaranteed.

So what if I think Maradona>Messi? You think I am alone in this opinion? So what if I think Ronaldo>Messi? You think I am alone in this opinion?

Who said Messi wasn't worthy of the player of the tournament? I did? Or did you insinuate?

And my posts are in English, I clearly mentioned in this thread, and other threads, Messi is a player of the current generation and will be missed. You equate this to hatred and an agenda? Pathetic. What's with your insecurity?

Now go grab your aloe vera coated tissues.

There is nothing to let go, it's a discussion, if you either of us want to stop the discussion then we stop typing, not sure there is any need for dramatics

I'm not bothered at all by you saying Maradona is ahead of Messi, that's your claim and you can stick to it and you aren't alone in that

If you still maintain Ronaldo>Messi then whether you are alone or have others with you then I'm afraid that is ridiculous and will rightly be challenged.

I didn't insinuate it but your comment did, this is what you wrote

"As for Messi being a G in this world cup, not too sure about this, out of the 7 goals he scored, 5 were from the penalty spot. [Excluding penalty shootouts too!]"

So it's a more than reasonable conclusion that you didn't think he was the best.

And then when I asked you who the top 3 players were you said this

"As for top 3 in the World Cup, Mbappe, Martinez, and the 3rd is NOT Messi."

So yeah you clearly don't think he was player of the tournament and you think at least 3 players were better than him (even though laughably you can't name the 3rd)

All of the above proves there is an agenda and hatred. Which has no doubt been built on you saying Ronaldo>Messi and all that came crushing down in the last month. It's you that needs the aloe vera, think of all the hours you will have spent debating Ronaldo>Messi and this last month just crushed that, whilst Ronaldo was awful in this World Cup and went home, we saw Messi step up, deliver and help Argentina lift the trophy, that must hurt, really hurt

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

PS: Messi would be in my team of the tournament, just not in my top 3 player list of the tournament.

Not your top 3 but you can't name the 3rd, got it

 

[Mamoon]

Suggestion is not the same as fact.

And again pay attention to the user Mamoon, he was referring to PL teams in the UCL - Norwich, West Brom, Newcastle etc were in the UCL between 2004-2020 were they? No.

I couldn’t have made myself more clear. I can’t even comprehend the word salad you wrote above. What on earth are you trying to say?

Let me repeat - Messi has 27 goals in 36 matches against the BEST English teams, i.e. the ones who have qualified for the UCL.

His record against top English teams like City, Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Chelsea & Spurs is better than most top strikers who have played in the PL.

If he was scoring at such a high frequency against the top English sides, one could only imagine what he would have done to the weak English teams, the ones who finish in the bottom half.

He would be scoring at the same rate as he did in Spain. Aguero came to England from Spain & people like you doubted them because Premier League was “very physical” & lightweight players like them would not adapt. We all saw what they did in England.

You have to be either deluded beyond measure or a troll to argue that Messi would not have dominated English football if he played in England. In fact, he has dominated English football WITHOUT playing in England.

Messi did not score much for PSG last season (or even this season) because he is playing as a midfielder since PSG have Mbappe & Neymar.

Besides, at 35, he no longer has the explosive speed & acceleration to play as a forward but unlike Ronaldo, he is a footballing genius & his vision, passing & creativity still make him an unbelievable player which is why he has dominated a World Cup in the twilight of his career.

Had Messi played as a forward for PSG & scored 25+ goals, you would be the first one to twerk & say that it doesn’t count because the French league is weak.

If you think Messi doesn't score much because the league is too difficult for someone who has dominated La Liga, UCL & international football, then I don’t know what to say to you but I think I have already reached that point. It would be better to let you drown in your own ignorance.

 

[Technics 1210]

There is nothing to let go, it's a discussion, if you either of us want to stop the discussion then we stop typing, not sure there is any need for dramatics

I'm not bothered at all by you saying Maradona is ahead of Messi, that's your claim and you can stick to it and you aren't alone in that

If you still maintain Ronaldo>Messi then whether you are alone or have others with you then I'm afraid that is ridiculous and will rightly be challenged.

I didn't insinuate it but your comment did, this is what you wrote

"As for Messi being a G in this world cup, not too sure about this, out of the 7 goals he scored, 5 were from the penalty spot. [Excluding penalty shootouts too!]"

So it's a more than reasonable conclusion that you didn't think he was the best.

And then when I asked you who the top 3 players were you said this

"As for top 3 in the World Cup, Mbappe, Martinez, and the 3rd is NOT Messi."

So yeah you clearly don't think he was player of the tournament and you think at least 3 players were better than him (even though laughably you can't name the 3rd)

All of the above proves there is an agenda and hatred. Which has no doubt been built on you saying Ronaldo>Messi and all that came crushing down in the last month. It's you that needs the aloe vera, think of all the hours you will have spent debating Ronaldo>Messi and this last month just crushed that, whilst Ronaldo was awful in this World Cup and went home, we saw Messi step up, deliver and help Argentina lift the trophy, that must hurt, really hurt

More noise.

You just want to see if Messi is in my top 3, he isn't, must hurt, but deal with it.

Conversely you clearly rate Mbappe's performance as average, let me use your logic now, you hate him! You have an agenda against Mbappe! Oh no!

You can weep and wallow all you want, you can claim I have an agenda vs Messi despite my statement on Messi being a once in a generation player who will be missed, you can claim I hate Messi because he is not in my Top 3, yet is in my team of the tournament - but nothing changes the fact that you millennials are the most insecure generation that humanity has ever witnessed.

Messi = GOTT (even though I rate Ronaldo over Messi).

Maradona = GOAT

Now, if you have anything to add to the Maradona vs Messi debate then please do, because your glorification of Messi is neither substantive nor objective in the said debate.

 

[Technics 1210]

If you think Messi doesn't score much because the league is too difficult for someone who has dominated La Liga, UCL & international football, then I don’t know what to say to you but I think I have already reached that point. It would be better to let you drown in your own ignorance.

It was your laughable and delusional prediction that I was pulling up, Messi to score 25+ goals in the first season at PSG because he dominated La Liga. What did he end up with? 6.

You can try and wriggle out of this one, but this is on you, your ignorance and lack of understanding of the game.

 

[Mamoon]

It was your laughable and delusional prediction that I was pulling up, Messi to score 25+ goals in the first season at PSG because he dominated La Liga. What did he end up with? 6.

You can try and wriggle out of this one, but this is on you, your ignorance and lack of understanding of the game.

I don’t think I need lectures on football from someone who claimed that Haaland will struggle in the PL & Messi was not one of the top 3 players of the World Cup.

Please carry on & continue to cry. It is extremely entertaining. The frustration of Ronaldo fans has made Messi’s triumph even sweeter.

 

[Technics 1210]

I don’t think I need lectures on football from someone who claimed that Haaland will struggle in the PL & Messi was not one of the top 3 players of the World Cup.

I never said Halaad would struggle, cite me. Why does your generation lie so much?

The 1st season of Haaland is not even over yet, speak to me after his first season is complete.

I am definitely not taking lessons from someone who claimed Mikel Arteta is the next Pep Guardiola.

 

[Mamoon]

I never said Halaad would struggle, cite me. Why does your generation lie so much?

The 1st season of Haaland is not even over yet, speak to me after his first season is complete.

I am definitely not taking lessons from someone who claimed Mikel Arteta is the next Pep Guardiola.

Haaland didn’t need a season. He only needed two months to expose you.

Please carry on. Photoshop Ronaldo with a World Cup trophy & a Golden Ball. You will feel better.

 

[Technics 1210]

Haaland didn’t need a season. He only needed two months to expose you.

As opposed to Mikel Arteta exposing you, year after year, season after season, game after game.

You must love being humiliated.

So no citation I see. Typical yet expected.

 

[Mamoon]

I never said Halaad would struggle, cite me. Why does your generation lie so much?

The 1st season of Haaland is not even over yet, speak to me after his first season is complete.

I am definitely not taking lessons from someone who claimed Mikel Arteta is the next Pep Guardiola.

He will be below expectations this season.

EPL is a totally different kettle of fish.

Post #15

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...nd-be-a-success-at-Manchester-City&styleid=16

Now your next move is to somehow try to convince me that your post did not imply that Haaland would struggle in the PL. )

 

[Mamoon]

As opposed to Mikel Arteta exposing you, year after year, season after season, game after game.

You must love being humiliated.

So no citation I see. Typical yet expected.

Arteta is 5 points clear at the top of the table. Yes I know - you have been waiting for him to slip up since MW 1.

Please pray he doesn’t finish in the top two because it will be very humiliating for you, although not as humiliating as Messi winning the World Cup & Golden Ball in the same World Cup where Ronaldo was booted out of the starting XI.

 

[Technics 1210]

Post #15

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...nd-be-a-success-at-Manchester-City&styleid=16

Now your next move is to somehow try to convince me that your post did not imply that Haaland would struggle in the PL. )

Are you for real? Below expectations is not the same as he will struggle.

I do not need to convince you of anything, all you have are insinuations, no facts. A trait of your generation.

 

[Technics 1210]

Arteta is 5 points clear at the top of the table. Yes I know - you have been waiting for him to slip up since MW 1.

Please pray he doesn’t finish in the top two because it will be very humiliating for you, although not as humiliating as Messi winning the World Cup & Golden Ball in the same World Cup where Ronaldo was booted out of the starting XI.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

You have been rambling on about Arteta and Pep comparison for years!

Now, I see what you are trying to do here, this thread isn't about the PL, it's about Maradona vs Messi.

Talk substance, not ignorance.

 

[Mamoon]

Are you for real? Below expectations is not the same as he will struggle.

I do not need to convince you of anything, all you have are insinuations, no facts. A trait of your generation.

Yes yes, saying that Haaland would be below expectations because the PL is a different kettle of fish means that he was going to dominate the PL & score 18 goals in 13 matches )

Please carry on. It is more entertaining than the World Cup final.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yes yes, saying that Haaland would be below expectations because the PL is a different kettle of fish means that he was going to dominate the PL & score 18 goals in 13 matches )

Please carry on. It is more entertaining than the World Cup final.

Messi will score 25+ goals in his first season at PSG and Arteta is the next Pep.

You are beyond carrying on, but in a terminal descend.

 

[Major]

not a football fan, but its funny to see Ronaldo fans jumping on the Maradonna Bandwagon.

Atleast they accept that Ronaldo is no where near messi and maradonna

 

[Technics 1210]

There are so many players that are highly decorated with more medals, more trophies, more goals, better stats, compared with Maradona, but 99.99999999999% of these players are not even in the GOAT debate, especially vs Maradona.

Greatness is not measured in statistics, but in impact, and Maradona had more impact in 7 years, than any other player in the history of the game.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

More noise.

You just want to see if Messi is in my top 3, he isn't, must hurt, but deal with it.

Conversely you clearly rate Mbappe's performance as average, let me use your logic now, you hate him! You have an agenda against Mbappe! Oh no!

You can weep and wallow all you want, you can claim I have an agenda vs Messi despite my statement on Messi being a once in a generation player who will be missed, you can claim I hate Messi because he is not in my Top 3, yet is in my team of the tournament - but nothing changes the fact that you millennials are the most insecure generation that humanity has ever witnessed.

Messi = GOTT (even though I rate Ronaldo over Messi).

Maradona = GOAT

Now, if you have anything to add to the Maradona vs Messi debate then please do, because your glorification of Messi is neither substantive nor objective in the said debate.

I was interested in seeing your top 3 because it exposes your agenda, which is so clear now

There is nothing to deal with, the fact is Messi was player of the tournament and he is a World Cup winner and there isn't a damn thing you or your fellow Ronaldo fans can do about it

You clearly have a reading comprehension, I said Mbappe was average in the QF and SF, do you disagree with that? He was brilliant in the R16 and the final.

You can keep going on about Maradona being better than Messi as some sort of comfort blanket but your nonsense agenda has clearly been exposed

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

not a football fan, but its funny to see Ronaldo fans jumping on the Maradonna Bandwagon.

Atleast they accept that Ronaldo is no where near messi and maradonna

It's actually quite tragic seeing the insanity unfold

 

[Technics 1210]

I was interested in seeing your top 3 because it exposes your agenda, which is so clear now

Wrong, you are not interested in my top 3, unless I agree with your top 3, thus you just want me to vindicate your opinion on Messi.

Not happening for love nor money.

 

[Technics 1210]

I bet the millennial generation do not even know Maradona played for Barcelona too!

 

[Mamoon]

I bet the millennial generation do not even know Maradona played for Barcelona too!

They do. He is not even among the 50 best players to have played for Barcelona if we are only going by performances in a Barcelona shirt.

His most famous moment in a Barcelona shirt was kicking Bilbao’s players on the head which forced him out of the club.

He had to go to a small club to feel loved again.

Barcelona are thankful that Argentina produced a superior version of Maradona only two decades later who went on to make history for their glorious club.

 

[Technics 1210]

It's actually quite tragic seeing the insanity unfold

Insanity is me stating that Messi is in my team of the tournament, but you demanding Messi should be in my top 3 players of the tournament, and if not, form the conclusion I have an agenda against him.

I have never seen such levels of insecurity. I really pity your generation - there's no hope.

 

[Technics 1210]

They do. He is not even among the 50 best players to have played for Barcelona if we are only going by performances in a Barcelona shirt.

His most famous moment in a Barcelona shirt was kicking Bilbao’s players on the head which forced him out of the club.

He had to go to a small club to feel loved again.

Barcelona are thankful that Argentina produced a superior version of Maradona only two decades later who went on to make history for their glorious club.

Please stop. He left Barcelona because of a career threatening injury, almost lost his foot due to a violent tackle, but ended up with a broken ankle vs Athletic Bilbao, and on top of this the racist taunts he received at Barcelona.

Go back to Wiki to educate yourself.

 

[Mamoon]

Please stop. He left Barcelona because of a career threatening injury, almost lost his foot due to a violent tackle, but ended up with a broken ankle vs Athletic Bilbao, and on top of this the racist taunts he received at Barcelona.

Go back to Wiki to educate yourself.

He left Barcelona because of his behavior problems. Barcelona board stood by him through all his troubles until the day he ended up in a brawl with Bilbao players.

That was the moment they were done with him & Maradona & Napoli were a perfect match. They needed a savior to uplift them & he needed a protective environment where he would be treated like god.

Please photoshop Ronaldo with a World Cup trophy & a Golden Ball. You are burning like hot coal & I fear for your mental health. You have been seething for almost 45 hours now & it is not good for your health.

I am not good at photoshop otherwise I would have given you a gift.

 

[Mamoon]

Insanity is me stating that Messi is in my team of the tournament, but you demanding Messi should be in my top 3 players of the tournament, and if not, form the conclusion I have an agenda against him.

I have never seen such levels of insecurity. I really pity your generation - there's no hope.

The only people who are insecure are the Ronaldo fans who have become the biggest Maradona fans after Sunday. Pure comedy.

 

[Technics 1210]

He left Barcelona because of his behavior problems. Barcelona board stood by him through all his troubles until the day he ended up in a brawl with Bilbao players.

Ok if this helps you sleep at night then so be it.

You know better than the people who were alive at the time.

Honestly.

 

[Technics 1210]

The only people who are insecure are the Ronaldo fans who have become the biggest Maradona fans after Sunday. Pure comedy.

Yes because Maradona fans mentioning Maradona in the WC commentary thread from day one of the tournament, before Argentina won the WC is exactly what millennials think, fans on Sunday.

Jeez.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Wrong, you are not interested in my top 3, unless I agree with your top 3, thus you just want me to vindicate your opinion on Messi.

Not happening for love nor money.

I haven't even shared my top 3 but Messi is clear in 1st

I was just interested to see which guy you wanted to shoehorn into 3rd just so you can not have Messi in your top 3

I reckon you don't even know who is top 3, you'll just make it up so I'm no longer interested in knowing as ultimately by refusing to say it in the first place proves my point

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Insanity is me stating that Messi is in my team of the tournament, but you demanding Messi should be in my top 3 players of the tournament, and if not, form the conclusion I have an agenda against him.

I have never seen such levels of insecurity. I really pity your generation - there's no hope.

My generation? I was born in 1983 so not sure what generation you are from

I've not demanded anything, it's a forum where discussions take place

I asked you a question, your lack of being unable or refusing to answer it clearly demonstrates this agenda you have against Messi

 

[MenInG]

Keep it civil guys - no need to get personal.

Attack the views not the person - thanks

 

[Technics 1210]

My generation? I was born in 1983 so not sure what generation you are from

I've not demanded anything, it's a forum where discussions take place

I asked you a question, your lack of being unable or refusing to answer it clearly demonstrates this agenda you have against Messi

You are not interest in a discussion, straight off the bat you have claimed I have an agenda because Messi is not in my top 3 players of the tournament (your words) despite him being in my team of the tournament.

You are doing it again above, claiming I have an agenda cos I don't agree with you or name my 3rd tip player. Unbelievable!

Now stop claiming you want a discussion, you are not interested in a discussion, just appeasement and vindication of your opinions.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

You are not interest in a discussion, straight off the bat you have claimed I have an agenda because Messi is not in my top 3 players of the tournament (your words) despite him being in my team of the tournament.

You are doing it again above, claiming I have an agenda cos I don't agree with you or name my 3rd tip player. Unbelievable!

Now stop claiming you want a discussion, you are not interested in a discussion, just appeasement and vindication of your opinions.

I was interested in a discussion, that's why I asked the question because I was genuinely interested to see which 3 players were better than Messi, I found that incomprehensible and once you named the 3 I would have debated which I felt that was wrong

But your refusal spoke volumes

Ultimately I understand it's been a tough tournament for you, the pain you must be feeling right now isn't helped by this conversation and you need to work your way through the 7 stages of grief so to help you with that I'll end the discussion on this point.

 

[The_KING]

I know CR7 has performed and achieved at 3 different clubs. Proving he is not a one club hit number and can play outside his comfort zone. This pains you because you'd prefer he had endes his career at Man U.

Do you hate Beckham as well? He used Man U as a stepping stool and also join Real Madrid.

As for Messi at PSG, ok if you think he is playing well at PSG, given the standards he had set at Barcelona, then fine, then I guess his rumoured move to Miami can be quelled.

Plenty of players spent their entire careers at one clubs and were are regarded as legends. This notion of players getting criticised because they stayed at one club is nonsensical.

Messi did step out of his comfort zone when he left his home country as a child to go to Spain. Unlike most greats and your ‘goat’ Ronaldo, he didn’t even start his professional senior career in his home country.

Messi isn’t going to hang around for very long and tarnish his legacy like Ronaldo has. If Messi goes to Miami, that means he is humble enough to accept that the end is near. I would respect Ronaldo more if he retired a couple of years ago instead of being unemployed at 37 and struggling to find a meaningful club.

And Beckham never wanted to leave Man United. He feel out with Sir Alex and had no choice but to leave.

 

[Technics 1210]

Plenty of players spent their entire careers at one clubs and were are regarded as legends. This notion of players getting criticised because they stayed at one club is nonsensical.

Messi did step out of his comfort zone when he left his home country as a child to go to Spain. Unlike most greats and your ‘goat’ Ronaldo, he didn’t even start his professional senior career in his home country.

Messi isn’t going to hang around for very long and tarnish his legacy like Ronaldo has. If Messi goes to Miami, that means he is humble enough to accept that the end is near. I would respect Ronaldo more if he retired a couple of years ago instead of being unemployed at 37 and struggling to find a meaningful club.

And Beckham never wanted to leave Man United. He feel out with Sir Alex and had no choice but to leave.

Yet plenty of players move on from club to club.

According to you Messi going to Miami is a graceful retirement, but Ronaldo wanting to play in the UCL in his later years, indication of his passion and desire, is a tarnished legacy, even though he might play in Saudi and retire. Got it.

So much so you come out with some womble like Messi had to leave his home country to start his career in Spain, unlike Ronaldo didn't start his 'senior' career in his home country? Really this is your statement above?
You thought you would get away with this nonsense by using the term 'senior' career with Ronaldo, but not Messi? No, Ronaldo started his footballing career at Sporting Lisbon, but his career took off at Man United, he was not a senior at the time. Outside of his comfort zone.

The reality is you would respect Ronaldo more if he was still playing for Man U, or at least, played his peak years at Man U, and you know what? If you had said this from the get go, then I would respect and understand your dislike of Ronaldo, but instead you used his interview with Piers as an excuse.

Anyway, this thread is not about Messi vs Ronaldo, but thanks for clarifying your hypocritical thinking. Feel free to continue in the dedicated thread on Ronaldo vs Messi.

And yes, Messi vs Ronaldo - the GOTT debate is still raging. (Notice not GOAT).

 

[Technics 1210]

I was interested in a discussion, that's why I asked the question because I was genuinely interested to see which 3 players were better than Messi, I found that incomprehensible and once you named the 3 I would have debated which I felt that was wrong

No, save the drama, if you were interested in a discussion, your line of questioning would be along the lines of :

1. Why do you prefer Ronaldo over Messi?
2. Why is Messi not in your top 3 players of the tournament?
3. Why do you rate Maradona over Messi?

Instead, you claimed I have an agenda cos I do not rate your messiah as high as you do.

Move on. Your are boring me now.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Plenty of players spent their entire careers at one clubs and were are regarded as legends. This notion of players getting criticised because they stayed at one club is nonsensical.

Messi did step out of his comfort zone when he left his home country as a child to go to Spain. Unlike most greats and your ‘goat’ Ronaldo, he didn’t even start his professional senior career in his home country.

Messi isn’t going to hang around for very long and tarnish his legacy like Ronaldo has. If Messi goes to Miami, that means he is humble enough to accept that the end is near. I would respect Ronaldo more if he retired a couple of years ago instead of being unemployed at 37 and struggling to find a meaningful club.

And Beckham never wanted to leave Man United. He feel out with Sir Alex and had no choice but to leave.

It's strange behaviour

Maldini never gets stick for being at one club, on the contrary his loyalty is praised and he is regarded as arguably the best defender of his generation

I think deep down they know Messi is better so they need different things to cling on to

First they claimed Messi can only perform with Xavi and Iniesta, yet he got his Ballon D'Or without them
Then they claimed he can only perform in his comfort zone at Barcelona, yet he delivered for Argentina in Copa America
Then they dismissed that tournament and said his International record isn't as good as Ronaldo and he hasn't won a International trophy that's better than the Euro's, yet he was player of the tournament in the greatest stage of them all and at 35 years old he helps his team win the World Cup

One by one he's delivered a slap to their faces and to be fair I know quite a few people that have held their hands up and said this World Cup campaign has changed things in their eyes, Ronaldo is still their favourite but Messi is the goat

And now the shameless few that remain are going on about playing in different leagues, as if that trumps the World Cup. It's so transparent what they are trying to do and is quite frankly embarrassing

Messi is better than Ronaldo and there isn't a damn thing they can say or do about it and I bloody love it

 

[Technics 1210]

Pele : 3 x WC wins, but zero wins in Europe - always at the GOAT table.

Messi : 1 x WC win, 4 Champions League - just entered the GOAT room, not even at the table, still hanging his coat.

Maradona : 1 x WC win - Establish GOAT since 1990, and the GOAT table is named after him.


Messi fans kept going on about UEFA champions leagues, but when Ronaldo secured more UCL medals, Messi fans switched to WC medal. Now Messi fans have a WC medal, they have no answer to why the Argentinian public still worship Maradona over Messi.

I guess because Messi had 5 attempts to win the WC and the public were tired of waiting. 18 years of Messi hurt, vs 7 years of Maradona divinity.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Pele : 3 x WC wins, but zero wins in Europe - always at the GOAT table.

Messi : 1 x WC win, 4 Champions League - just entered the GOAT room, not even at the table, still hanging his coat.

Maradona : 1 x WC win - Establish GOAT since 1990, and the GOAT table is named after him.


Messi fans kept going on about UEFA champions leagues, but when Ronaldo secured more UCL medals, Messi fans switched to WC medal. Now Messi fans have a WC medal, they have no answer to why the Argentinian public still worship Maradona over Messi.

I guess because Messi had 5 attempts to win the WC and the public were tired of waiting. 18 years of Messi hurt, vs 7 years of Maradona divinity.

That's just made up

As for the Argentinian public, they love them both and you can see that in the celebrations and you will see that in the years to come

 

[Technics 1210]

That's just made up

As for the Argentinian public, they love them both and you can see that in the celebrations and you will see that in the years to come

If you insist.

Have a nice day!

:

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Maradona would walk through today's game for the simple reason in his time the rules on tackling were almost non-existent, the pitches were iffy, and the football boots were nowhere near as the next gen boots we find today. Oh did I mention the ball itself? The balls today are tested in wind tunnels, the balls of yesteryear were heavy and 'almost' sphere!

Now a days, footballers are pampered both on and off the field, with money and latest tech.

Put simply, if Maradona played for Brentford today, then Brentford would be Premier League champions, and UEFA Champions, season after season.

And yes, the Maradona vs Messi debate not only started in the World Cup commentary thread on PP - BEFORE Argentina won the World Cup, but has been ongoing for over a decade. Pity the millennials are struggling to add substance to this debate without context, which is why they were chirpy in their comfort zone when the GOTT debate was vs Ronaldo, but when it comes to the GOAT debate, it is vs. Maradona. Millennials need not apply for the later.

Maradona did not have the discipline to meet the demands of modern football for 10+ years

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

And to think Messi fans thought he would roast Premier League teams!

Furthermore, Messi has relies on the talent and skill of his team mates, Maradona did not have this luxury, especially with Napoli, which is why he is accredited for winning the World Cup, Serie A titles, and European Cups - single handedly.

As for Messi being a G in this world cup, not too sure about this, out of the 7 goals he scored, 5 were from the penalty spot. [Excluding penalty shootouts too!].

Lolwut. Messi has absolutely roasted the cream of the premier league year after year. But some clowns think he won’t be able to smash a hatrick past villa or stoke. Lmao

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Spot on.



On another note, if the Ballon d'Or was awarded to Non-European footballers at the time, Maradona would have more that Messi. No doubt about it.

Another lie. Maradona didn’t even dominate for 8 seasons to win that many ballon dors. His greatest failing was his peak didn’t last long.

There’s a case for Pele to have won more or matched Messi’s record perhaps but def not maradona.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Atleast the Messi Ronaldo debate is settled for good and even Ronaldo ******* (I’m a former one myself) accept that Messi has surpassed Ronaldo

 

[Technics 1210]

Maradona did not have the discipline to meet the demands of modern football for 10+ years

He didn't need 10 years, he only needed 7.

 

[Darkrai]

Messi is the GOAT.

He has 2 WC player of the tournament awards. The same as Pele and Maradona combined. In short, not only has he helped his team win the WC, but he has also been the best player twice.

Messi > Maradona in almost every way, whether it's stats, trophies, or individual awards. These are facts. As far as opinions are concerned, they hold little weight.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Another lie. Maradona didn’t even dominate for 8 seasons to win that many ballon dors. His greatest failing was his peak didn’t last long.

There’s a case for Pele to have won more or matched Messi’s record perhaps but def not maradona.

Yeah, longevity is a problem for Maradona and in terms of the modern day scrutiny, he didn't have that, instead his life in general was scrutinised

What I mean by that is every kick of Messi's career (Ronaldo too) has been captured, misplaced passes, missed penalties, missing chances etc etc all captured and then magnified

It's because his longevity was limited that he's even behind CR7 imo

He managed about 400 games less than Messi and Ronaldo, and about 200 of his games came in Argentina

In terms of pure talent he can be considered the best but longevity is a factor and that counts against him

 

[Technics 1210]

Messi - GOTT

Pele - GOAT

Maradona - GOD

(In context of football)

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Despite the selective, Maradona played in 4 World Cups, got to the final of two and won 1

Messi played in 5 World Cups, got to the final of two and won 1

Messi won player of the tournament twice, Maradona once

 

[Technics 1210]

Maradona won the WC at his 2nd attempt, 4 years after his WC debut.

Messi won the WC at his 5th attempt after 16 years.

The personification of Maradona winning the WC single-handedly vs Messi relying on his team mates.

Funny thing is, Maradona may have played in the 78 WC, but Argentinian coach said he was too young at 17!

 

[shaz619]

Never watched Diego and as special as this tournament run was for Messi, I lean towards R9 personally because of how entertaining and stylish he was to watch, an absolute nightmare for GK’s in those days and for seriously good defenders of that time. He carried a genuine fear factor and the impact was poignant. He achieved a great deal, could have been even more were it not for injuries and a bit more discipline off the field.

Diego I would feel certainly would have meant more for Argentina in terms of footballing legacy, without Diego there is no Messi

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Nobody wins a team trophy single-handedly

 

[Technics 1210]

Maradona single handedly won the 86 WC, and that's not all, he single handedly won Series A with Napoli too, twice.

Pendantry/Semantics will not change these facts.

 

[Mamoon]

Maradona won the WC at his 2nd attempt, 4 years after his WC debut.

Messi won the WC at his 5th attempt after 16 years.

The personification of Maradona winning the WC single-handedly vs Messi relying on his team mates.

Funny thing is, Maradona may have played in the 78 WC, but Argentinian coach said he was too young at 17!

Julian Alvarez won the World Cup on his first attempt, he must be better than Maradona & Messi.

Please carry on. All I can hope for is that you recover in a few days. Remember, this too shall pass, although that will never change the fact that Ronaldo never came close to winning the World Cup - or winning the Golden Ball - in 5 attempts.

He & his fans will take that humiliation to their graves.

 

[Technics 1210]

Julian Alvarez won the World Cup on his first attempt, he must be better than Maradona & Messi.

Sadly for you the comparison is between Maradona and Messi, not Julian Alvarez.

Carry on, and keep searching on Google for that silver bullet response.

 

[Mamoon]

Sadly for you the comparison is between Maradona and Messi, not Julian Alvarez.

Carry on, and keep searching on Google for that silver bullet response.

No need for a silver bullet response. You are the one crying.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Never watched Diego and as special as this tournament run was for Messi, I lean towards R9 personally because of how entertaining and stylish he was to watch, an absolute nightmare for GK’s in those days and for seriously good defenders of that time. He carried a genuine fear factor and the impact was poignant. He achieved a great deal, could have been even more were it not for injuries and a bit more discipline off the field.

Diego I would feel certainly would have meant more for Argentina in terms of footballing legacy, without Diego there is no Messi

Have you watched the recent R9 documentary? It was really good

He was special and there will always be a case of what if with him, reckon without injuries he would have been the best ever

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Maradona single handedly won the 86 WC, and that's not all, he single handedly won Series A with Napoli too, twice.

Pendantry/Semantics will not change these facts.

Single handedly yet Argentina scored 3 in the final and Maradona didn't get any of them, how does that work?

Dismissing the work of team mates is ridiculous, Maradona was the start and best player but his team mates played there part too

 

[Technics 1210]

No need for a silver bullet response. You are the one crying.

You have no skin in this debate because you never watched Maradona play live, be it on the TV or at a stadium.

This Is why it is painfully obvious that every one of your contributions in the Maradona vs Messi debate, in reference to Maradona, is the result of a Google search. You know it, I know it, and every man and his dog knows it.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Millenials have no substantive contribution to the MvM debate because all they know is Messi. At least the genuine millenial football fans mention they've never seen Maradona live, you actually pretend to live in a era where you never existed, just for the attention.

Go home and take a rest, you must be needing a new keyboard now with all that frantic Googling.

You too have a nice day!

PS: Maradona - daylight - Messi.

 

[topspin]

This thread is nothing more than a coping mechanism for OP.

Messi has left OP and KKWC with egg on their faces. Such is the heartburn, they've now diverted the focus away from Ronaldo and turned it into a Maradona vs Messi comparison because their hero let them down.

The desperation to belittle and put Messi down is astonishing.

In response to the comparison, Messi is the true GOAT. He is in a league which has all the greatest sportsmen of all time including Michael Jordan, Muhammad Ali and etc.

Messi is the only player to have won 2 x Golden Balls and nobody has dominated playmaking + goal scoring the way he has.

The ones who find Maradona superior are either Messi haters or simply haven't come out of their bubble of nostalgia.

Some Ronaldo's fan boys have come up with some hilarious conspiracy theories such as "World Cup was rigged for Messi because his club owners are Qatari as well". But this one takes the cake:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It wasn’t a virus, the French team clearly got deliberately poisoned.</p>— Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1604502398613037056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 18, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Technics 1210]

Single handedly yet Argentina scored 3 in the final and Maradona didn't get any of them, how does that work?

Dismissing the work of team mates is ridiculous, Maradona was the start and best player but his team mates played there part too

You can’t understand Maradona without appreciating the tactical (and violent) environment he was in, on the pitch.

Single-handedly encompasses everything from inspiration to skill to talent to goals, and all in between - it is not just about scoring goals. His team at 86 WC was well below average, and before winning the WC, you got to be in the final, Maradona was the reason Argentina were in the final, and his team at Napoli were on the verge of relegation. His sheer presence on the pitch changed all that.

Average players do not become talented overnight, they can help out here and there, but an average team is not winning anything, which is why when Napoli/86 Argentina won, the only difference was Maradona - hence single-handedly.

 

[Mamoon]

You have no skin in this debate because you never watched Maradona play live, be it on the TV or at a stadium.

This Is why it is painfully obvious that every one of your contributions in the Maradona vs Messi debate, in reference to Maradona, is the result of a Google search. You know it, I know it, and every man and his dog knows it.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Millenials have no substantive contribution to the MvM debate because all they know is Messi. At least the genuine millenial football fans mention they've never seen Maradona live, you actually pretend to live in a era where you never existed, just for the attention.

Go home and take a rest, you must be needing a new keyboard now with all that frantic Googling.

You too have a nice day!

PS: Maradona - daylight - Messi.

 

[Mamoon]

For 5 years, from 2016 to 2021, Ronaldo fans would say that the only thing that matters is your legacy in international football.

Ronaldo has captained Portugal to a Euro win so Messi cannot be considered better, even though Ronaldo was not even on the pitch when Portugal won the final in 2016 & didn’t win the best player of the tournament award either.

Here we are in 2022, Messi has captained to Argentina to a World Cup win & also a Copa America where he was the best player award winner. In addition, he has become the only player in history to win two World Cup Golden Balls.

On the other hand, Ronaldo has 0 World Cups, 0 Ballon d’Ors & was booted out of the starting XI in his last World Cup.

Life comes at you fast. )

 

[IAJ]

Messi is right up there with Maradona and Pele.

 

[topspin]

Lolwut. Messi has absolutely roasted the cream of the premier league year after year. But some clowns think he won’t be able to smash a hatrick past villa or stoke. Lmao

Absolutely.

 

[topspin]

He left Barcelona because of his behavior problems. Barcelona board stood by him through all his troubles until the day he ended up in a brawl with Bilbao players.

That was the moment they were done with him & Maradona & Napoli were a perfect match. They needed a savior to uplift them & he needed a protective environment where he would be treated like god.

Please photoshop Ronaldo with a World Cup trophy & a Golden Ball. You are burning like hot coal & I fear for your mental health. You have been seething for almost 45 hours now & it is not good for your health.

I am not good at photoshop otherwise I would have given you a gift.

The best response to this thread

 

[Aman]

I was interested in seeing your top 3 because it exposes your agenda, which is so clear now

There is nothing to deal with, the fact is Messi was player of the tournament and he is a World Cup winner and there isn't a damn thing you or your fellow Ronaldo fans can do about it

You clearly have a reading comprehension, I said Mbappe was average in the QF and SF, do you disagree with that? He was brilliant in the R16 and the final.

You can keep going on about Maradona being better than Messi as some sort of comfort blanket but your nonsense agenda has clearly been exposed

Messi was literally the betting favorite to win the Golden ball with an estimated 80% chance of winning, given Argentina 1) Won the WC 2) Messi Performed in the Final, it was a given he was going to win Golden Ball.

Even Messi's biggest critics/Ronaldo fan boys like Neville and Keane thought Messi should win the Golden Ball.

 

[Aman]

Messi's biggest rival being an egg is quite the plot turn lol

Messi is about to break a lot of IG records, basically the top 10 mostly consists of his photos.

 

[Aman]

For 5 years, from 2016 to 2021, Ronaldo fans would say that the only thing that matters is your legacy in international football.

Ronaldo has captained Portugal to a Euro win so Messi cannot be considered better, even though Ronaldo was not even on the pitch when Portugal won the final in 2016 & didn’t win the best player of the tournament award either.

Here we are in 2022, Messi has captained to Argentina to a World Cup win & also a Copa America where he was the best player award winner. In addition, he has become the only player in history to win two World Cup Golden Balls.

On the other hand, Ronaldo has 0 World Cups, 0 Ballon d’Ors & was booted out of the starting XI in his last World Cup.

Life comes at you fast. )

Not only that, the leadership he has shown has been impeccable. Among the greatest leaders ever now.

 

[Mamoon]

Messi's biggest rival being an egg is quite the plot turn lol

Messi is about to break a lot of IG records, basically the top 10 mostly consists of his photos.

[MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION]

This could have been Ronaldo if he could pass the ball. Instead, he has to wake up to a picture of Piers Morgan on his bedside table.

 

[Technics 1210]

[MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION]

This could have been Ronaldo if he could pass the ball. Instead, he has to wake up to a picture of Piers Morgan on his bedside table.

To be honest the first thought that came to my mind is how does the alleged King of football sleep in a cheap hack bed like that. Something straight out Travelodge.