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Martin Guptill vs Rohit Sharma vs David Warner - Who is the best opener in ODIs?

Why take out the Windies?

They are bad, but not that bad.

Amla is up there in the top 3 with AB and Kohli, don't think a small blip will change that either.

Still the best around, unless he fails for another year or so.

Even if you include the Windies, his average is just 30, which is again poor. Also he doesn't have the power game these three have and is limited in his gears as a batsman.
 
Ur just jealous of his skillz. First batsmen in Pakistani team to have a century in all formats. Already he is an ATG.

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I am happy we don't have a Tencuries guy in our team

once in a blue t20 100 won't make his best player lol:maqsood

that's like saying rohit got 250+ in odi hence he is greater than sachin and branman :farhat
 
No. They played some memorable innings that Amla can not even dream of.

Do you really think Amla > Gilchrist, Hayden :facepalm:

Afridi has memorable innings. Doesn't make him great. Same is true of Sehwag and Gibbs, the guys you called worse than :amla.
 
Afridi has memorable innings. Doesn't make him great. Same is true of Sehwag and Gibbs, the guys you called worse than :amla.

Are you really trying to justify Gilchrist and Hayden are worse than Amla by bringing Afridi into the argument? They're way more consistent. Anyway, I leave it at that. Each to his own.
 
Why take out the Windies?

They are bad, but not that bad.

Amla is up there in the top 3 with AB and Kohli, don't think a small blip will change that either.

Still the best around, unless he fails for another year or so.

He was never in that league . SA lost a few matches thanks to his slow batting in the middle overs & hes among the Top3 ODI players ?
 
Even if you include the Windies, his average is just 30, which is again poor. Also he doesn't have the power game these three have and is limited in his gears as a batsman.

Like I said, a blip which shouldn't effect him too much.

Also, so what if isn't a power hitter?

His game is to rotate strike and he does that very well, which is why he has a SR around 89.

He was never in that league . SA lost a few matches thanks to his slow batting in the middle overs & hes among the Top3 ODI players ?

He was always in that league, you just never realised it.

Averages more than Kohli and his SR is at 89, whilst Kohli goes at 90.

Not much of a difference.
 
He was never in that league . SA lost a few matches thanks to his slow batting in the middle overs & hes among the Top3 ODI players ?

Kohli and Dhoni have lost India a lot more matches while only two of Amla's centuries came in losses. One of them was in a game where he was the lone batsman for South Africa on a difficult pitch.

He's always been among the top three ODI batsmen in the world for the past several years. I would easily put him at #2 in this generation of ODI batters, behind AB and ahead of Kohli.
 
Are you really trying to justify Gilchrist and Hayden are worse than Amla by bringing Afridi into the argument? They're way more consistent. Anyway, I leave it at that. Each to his own.

Gilchrist has more outstanding innings than almost anyone else in ODI cricket, including Sachin. That is not the only critera for judging players however, and Amla trumps him in almost every other category.
 
Kohli and Dhoni have lost India a lot more matches while only two of Amla's centuries came in losses. One of them was in a game where he was the lone batsman for South Africa on a difficult pitch.

He's always been among the top three ODI batsmen in the world for the past several years. I would easily put him at #2 in this generation of ODI batters, behind AB and ahead of Kohli.

Dhoni?
 
Gilchrist has more outstanding innings than almost anyone else in ODI cricket, including Sachin. That is not the only critera for judging players however, and Amla trumps him in almost every other category.

Which categories are we talking about? Can you please list some of them that you had in mind (including that 50+ average every tom, dick and harry these days have)...
 

Recently, yes.

Which categories are we talking about? Can you please list some of them that you had in mind (including that 50+ average every tom, dick and harry these days have)...

Which Tom, Dick and Harry has a 50+ average while opening, that is not built solely on bashing teams on the flat pitches on the subcontinent and Australia? Forget the fact that he also gets those runs at a very healthy SR and has been the quickest of all time to a ridiculous number of centuries and blocks of a thousand runs.
 
Recently, yes.



Which Tom, Dick and Harry has a 50+ average while opening, that is not built solely on bashing teams on the flat pitches on the subcontinent and Australia? Forget the fact that he also gets those runs at a very healthy SR and has been the quickest of all time to a ridiculous number of centuries and blocks of a thousand runs.

I asked you about the 'categories' that you're talking about. How does Amla add more value to the team than Adam Gilchrist did?
 
I asked you about the 'categories' that you're talking about. How does Amla add more value to the team than Adam Gilchrist did?

I answered that exactly. He has the highest average for any opener ever, scores against all comers and in all places (Australia being his bogey team, thus far) and as he breaks an all-time cricket record every time he scores a century or another thousand runs, he must contribute more runs in every match than any other player in history.

Gilchrist was a superb batsman and I would pick him over any batsman in a World Cup match but like Sehwag, he underachieved in ODIs.
 
I answered that exactly. He has the highest average for any opener ever, scores against all comers and in all places (Australia being his bogey team, thus far) and as he breaks an all-time cricket record every time he scores a century or another thousand runs, he must contribute more runs in every match than any other player in history.

Gilchrist was a superb batsman and I would pick him over any batsman in a World Cup match but like Sehwag, he underachieved in ODIs.

Gilchrist and even Sehwag, if may I say, played to the demands of their teams. They might have seemed reckless, but that is what teams wanted from them. Anyway, I will also have Amla bhai for matches against WI (oh he loves them) and less pressure bilateral series matches. I will pick Gilchrist whenever there is an ounce of pressure. Bhai chokes when pressure is on :amla
 
Are you really trying to justify Gilchrist and Hayden are worse than Amla by bringing Afridi into the argument? They're way more consistent. Anyway, I leave it at that. Each to his own.

Forget :afridi for a moment, focus on the Sehwag and Gibbs part of my post. Try again, don't just leave it there :)
 
I answered that exactly. He has the highest average for any opener ever, scores against all comers and in all places (Australia being his bogey team, thus far) and as he breaks an all-time cricket record every time he scores a century or another thousand runs, he must contribute more runs in every match than any other player in history.

Gilchrist was a superb batsman and I would pick him over any batsman in a World Cup match but like Sehwag, he underachieved in ODIs.

:O :O :facepalm:
I think soul of cricket died a little here.
 
Forget :afridi for a moment, focus on the Sehwag and Gibbs part of my post. Try again, don't just leave it there :)

Why? Convinced that :amla bhai doesn't stand a chance against Gilly, Haydos and you're settling for Gibbs and Viru?
 
An average of 50+ and SR of ~90 has zero substance and impact. :14:

Big flop in World Cups and doesn't help in chasing big totals either. Still remember how choked vs us in the second ODI in 2013, couldn't take his team home when they needed 30 in 30 balls.

Yes you read it right. His stats are great, but he does not have substance and impact. Rohit, Guptill and Warner are all more influential openers of his time and if we talk about history, then it is a joke to say he is second to Tendulkar only.

Saeed Anwar, Mark Waugh, Gilchrist, Ganguly, Haynes, Sehwag and even Gibbs were more impactful ODI openers than Mr. Stats.
 
Why? Convinced that :amla bhai doesn't stand a chance against Gilly, Haydos and you're settling for Gibbs and Viru?

Why doesn't he? The Aussie openers have memorable innings cz they won 3 WCs in a row. His stats are much better than both of them so can't attribute it to flatter pitches only. This is like saying :lara is better than :srt because he has more memorable innings. Doesn't work that way.
 
Big flop in World Cups and doesn't help in chasing big totals either. Still remember how choked vs us in the second ODI in 2013, couldn't take his team home when they needed 30 in 30 balls.

Yes you read it right. His stats are great, but he does not have substance and impact. Rohit, Guptill and Warner are all more influential openers of his time and if we talk about history, then it is a joke to say he is second to Tendulkar only.

Saeed Anwar, Mark Waugh, Gilchrist, Ganguly, Haynes, Sehwag and even Gibbs were more impactful ODI openers than Mr. Stats.

Scoring 50 runs/innings at 90 SR has no impact because he is Kohli-type choker in WC knockouts and can't chase (even though Kohli has only 2 tons in successful chases in the last 2.5 years against Bangladesh and SL and you rate him highly) but having a 1st innings average of 59.xx (close to Kohli's chasing average of 61.xx) has no impact on the result of the match. What logic! :bow:
 
Scoring 50 runs/innings at 90 SR has no impact because he is Kohli-type choker in WC knockouts and can't chase (even though Kohli has only 2 tons in successful chases in the last 2.5 years against Bangladesh and SL and you rate him highly) but having a 1st innings average of 59.xx (close to Kohli's chasing average of 61.xx) has no impact on the result of the match. What logic! :bow:

lol you are still arguing, didn't I just show you that amla is no match for even rohit sharma in the last 3 years, forget about best, he isn't even in the top 3 openers in the world
 
Scoring 50 runs/innings at 90 SR has no impact because he is Kohli-type choker in WC knockouts and can't chase (even though Kohli has only 2 tons in successful chases in the last 2.5 years against Bangladesh and SL and you rate him highly) but having a 1st innings average of 59.xx (close to Kohli's chasing average of 61.xx) has no impact on the result of the match. What logic! :bow:

Can't defend Amla's choking = bring Kohli into the discussion to defend him. What sort of logic is this?

Yes Kohli hasn't done well in World Cups either so far, but at least he has hundreds vs Test teams including a very high pressure hundred vs Pakistan in the most anticipated and watched group match of the tournament. Amla's only hundreds in World Cups have come against Netherlands and Ireland.

Kohli will need to dominate a World Cup to be a proper all-time great in ODIs but he still has the time. Last World Cup was Amla's best chance, he was in terrific form and in the peak of his career, still failed.

In 2017, he is likely to be past his peak.

Yes Kohli has had a slump in 2014-2015, but why focus on poor form only? Why not consider whole career and see what ha brilliant chaser he has been.

It is not a sin to admit that Kohli is a much superior ODI batsman than Amla and a greater match-winner. Amla is the biggest ODI choker of the era.

Amla has great stats but cannot impose himself on the opposition, nor grab the game by the scruff of its neck. He is always playing second-fiddle to someone and is practically useless in tight run chases even though his SR is 90, that is because he cannot change gears. He is an accumulator.
 
I think some people might be confusing warner the test opener with warner the odi opener, warner really is a long way behind those two in that form of the game.

In saying that overall give me warner any day of the week as the other two have been exposed at test level.
 
Hard to separate Guptill and Rohit. Id take Guptill though due to being also of or probably the best fielder in the world currently.
 
Just so people are clear - Amla's religious beliefs are OFF LIMITS and there is no need add Bhai to end of his name.
 
Scoring 50 runs/innings at 90 SR has no impact because he is Kohli-type choker in WC knockouts and can't chase (even though Kohli has only 2 tons in successful chases in the last 2.5 years against Bangladesh and SL and you rate him highly) but having a 1st innings average of 59.xx (close to Kohli's chasing average of 61.xx) has no impact on the result of the match. What logic! :bow:

Three factors goes against Amla in odis:

1.World cup performance- He has played two WCs and not just knockouts but overall also his performance in WC is far from convincing.He avgs 40-42 in WCs i.e. poor for current generation considering the fact that 300-320 have been par scores.

2.His chasing ability-Amla hasn't been a good chaser which is a well known fact.He has just four hundreds while chasing as an opener.Even a middle order bat AB has 6 hundreds while chasing.Smith who played half of his game before batting friendly rules and isn't rated a great odi batsmen has even 7 hundreds while chasing.This is where Amla falls down.

3.Inability to change gears- Now there is absolutely no doubt on him being an excellent first inning batsmen.But even there you need to accelerate and bat aggressively in latter overs.Amla is fine in that aspect but still he lacks gear compared to other attacking batsmen like kohli,Rohit,Guptill and so on.
 
Can't defend Amla's choking = bring Kohli into the discussion to defend him. What sort of logic is this?

Yes Kohli hasn't done well in World Cups either so far, but at least he has hundreds vs Test teams including a very high pressure hundred vs Pakistan in the most anticipated and watched group match of the tournament. Amla's only hundreds in World Cups have come against Netherlands and Ireland.

Kohli will need to dominate a World Cup to be a proper all-time great in ODIs but he still has the time. Last World Cup was Amla's best chance, he was in terrific form and in the peak of his career, still failed.

In 2017, he is likely to be past his peak.

Yes Kohli has had a slump in 2014-2015, but why focus on poor form only? Why not consider whole career and see what ha brilliant chaser he has been.

It is not a sin to admit that Kohli is a much superior ODI batsman than Amla and a greater match-winner. Amla is the biggest ODI choker of the era.

Amla has great stats but cannot impose himself on the opposition, nor grab the game by the scruff of its neck. He is always playing second-fiddle to someone and is practically useless in tight run chases even though his SR is 90, that is because he cannot change gears. He is an accumulator.

Amla is like Kallis, an accumulator who has no top gear. What is so bad about that? If Amla can't impose himself on chases and Kohli doesn't do well in setting targets, why is Kohli miles better than Amla? Amla does not have a Dhoni or a Raina like chaser in his team and Kohli doesn't have De Villiers. Also, if you choke in WC knockouts and are dropped 3-4 times in 1 innings where you score a hundred, how do bilateral chases make you better? The chase was on in the semi and Kohli went after scoring 1(13).
 
Ah, the standards of opening these days, when we are comparing Guptill, Sharma, and Warner for the honors.

Warner probably edges ahead due to his test credentials, but his technique is just as ugly.

Amla as an opener is better than them all. He does go through his slumps rather unapologetically though.
 
Three factors goes against Amla in odis:

1.World cup performance- He has played two WCs and not just knockouts but overall also his performance in WC is far from convincing.He avgs 40-42 in WCs i.e. poor for current generation considering the fact that 300-320 have been par scores.

2.His chasing ability-Amla hasn't been a good chaser which is a well known fact.He has just four hundreds while chasing as an opener.Even a middle order bat AB has 6 hundreds while chasing.Smith who played half of his game before batting friendly rules and isn't rated a great odi batsmen has even 7 hundreds while chasing.This is where Amla falls down.

3.Inability to change gears- Now there is absolutely no doubt on him being an excellent first inning batsmen.But even there you need to accelerate and bat aggressively in latter overs.Amla is fine in that aspect but still he lacks gear compared to other attacking batsmen like kohli,Rohit,Guptill and so on.

Amla has 2 100s in won chases and De Villiers has 4. Amla has ~125 matches and De Villiers has ~200 matches. Not much difference there. Rohit has 2 in 148 matches. I agree that Amla cannot bat at a 200 SR in the final overs and doesn't have many 150+ scores and that aspect needs improvement. SA as a whole have choked in WCs in bowling and fielding as well as batting. They need to improve as a team in pressure situations and particularly WCs.
 
Amla has 2 100s in won chases and De Villiers has 4. Amla has ~125 matches and De Villiers has ~200 matches. Not much difference there. Rohit has 2 in 148 matches. I agree that Amla cannot bat at a 200 SR in the final overs and doesn't have many 150+ scores and that aspect needs improvement. SA as a whole have choked in WCs in bowling and fielding as well as batting. They need to improve as a team in pressure situations and particularly WCs.

This is where Rohit wins over him and he can bat aggresively.Having said that, Rohit has done well in a WC knockout(although bangladesh) but he still has chances to do well in other WCs. Rohit at its peak is one of the impactful players in any chase.However,if he doesn't maintain this performance for a long time then he would get discarded.But on current form, Rohit is the best odi opener in the world.

ABD is a middle order bat.So he can't have enough hundreds while chasing.Still,6 hundreds at an avg of 57 is excellent for no.4-5 while chasing.
 
Scoring 50 runs/innings at 90 SR has no impact because he is Kohli-type choker in WC knockouts and can't chase (even though Kohli has only 2 tons in successful chases in the last 2.5 years against Bangladesh and SL and you rate him highly) but having a 1st innings average of 59.xx (close to Kohli's chasing average of 61.xx) has no impact on the result of the match. What logic! :bow:

Didn't Kohli whipped you guys in the world cup match with his century? Or just that the performance against minnows don't count?
 
Didn't Kohli whipped you guys in the world cup match with his century? Or just that the performance against minnows don't count?

Performances with 4 dropped catches count but have a * next to them. Seeing Russel smash us in the next match was worse :(
 
This is where Rohit wins over him and he can bat aggresively.Having said that, Rohit has done well in a WC knockout(although bangladesh) but he still has chances to do well in other WCs. Rohit at its peak is one of the impactful players in any chase.However,if he doesn't maintain this performance for a long time then he would get discarded.But on current form, Rohit is the best odi opener in the world.

<b>ABD is a middle order bat.So he can't have enough hundreds while chasing.Still,6 hundreds at an avg of 57 is excellent for no.4-5 while chasing.</b>

ABD is far ahead of other ODI bats atm. No contest :bow:
 
For some unexplicable reasons, Rohit Sharma is a failure in test cricket. I mean when you see players like Yuvraj or Raina you can make out they will be gun LOI players due to their striking ability but wont be able to make it into test cricket due to poor techniques. But Rohit Sharma has everything - compact defence, lazy elegance, proper orthodox shots, decent technique and most importantly great pull shot. There is no reason for a batsman of his pedigree to fail in test cricket. May be its the temperament bit which he needs to sort out, cant find any fault in his batting otherwise. By now he should have been an established no.6 test batsman for India. I can understand where Kohli is coming from and why he is persisting with Rohit Sharma again and again in test cricket. Too good a player not to succeed in test cricket specially when a hack like Dhawan doing decent in that format. I still believe Sharma will have a great test career by the time he retire. He needs that 1 innings and he will never look back.
 
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For some unexplicable reasons, Rohit Sharma is a failure in test cricket. I mean when you see players like Yuvraj or Raina you can make out they will be gun LOI players due to their striking ability but wont be able to make it into test cricket due to poor techniques. But Rohit Sharma has everything - compact defence, lazy elegance, proper orthodox shots, decent technique and most importantly great pull shot. There is no reason for a batsman of his pedigree to fail in test cricket. May be its the temperament bit which he needs to sort out, cant find any fault in his batting otherwise. By now he should have been an established no.6 test batsman for India. I can understand where Kohli is coming from and why he is persisting with Rohit Sharma again and again in test cricket. Too good a player not to succeed in test cricket specially when a hack like Dhawan doing decent in that format. I still believe Sharma will have a great test career by the time he retire. He needs that 1 innings and he will never look back.
Rohit doesn't have compact defence .

His technique against both spin and moving ball is suspect that's why can't succeed in tests .

In ODIs its not an issue because white ball doesn't swing much
 
Rohit Sharma, David Warner, Martin Guptill. Who is the best opener out of the three in LOIs?

I think it's fair to say these 3 are the best openers in odis. Question is who is the best? De kock is close but these guys have been doing for a bit longer than De kock.

Want to know your guys opnion, stats are more than welcome :).

Discuss.
 
Warner has a much bigger legacy and stature compared to other two across all formats. He is expected to be one of the greats of the game and achieve as much as Hayden did.
 
Warner has a much bigger legacy and stature compared to other two across all formats. He is expected to be one of the greats of the game and achieve as much as Hayden did.

Maybe in LO but in tests he has one centruy outside of Australia and South Africa. That has to change if he wants to surpass Hayden.
 
If you want to add him to the discussion I have no problem with that. I just think these 3 are better.

Actually they are at same level. Not much to differ them and they have their limitations. However, these guys have still potential to achieve more than Amla and so they can get the edge. But still they haven't done enough to get rated wayy higher than Amla.
 
Maybe in LO but in tests he has one centruy outside of Australia and South Africa. That has to change if he wants to surpass Hayden.

Hayden doesn't have too many centuries away from home either.
 
Hayden has only 9 100s away from home out of a total of 30 in his career.He avgs 40 away from home and avgs in the mid 30s in Eng, NZ and SA.
 
I think it's fair to say these 3 are the best openers in odis. Question is who is the best? De kock is close but these guys have been doing for a bit longer than De kock.

Want to know your guys opnion, stats are more than welcome :).

Discuss.

Warner 74 ODIs, De Kock 63 ODIs. Not much of a difference tbh. Even Rohit has opened in only 63 ODI innings.
 
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Warner >>> Rohit > Guptil

Warner has become very consistent now. Rohit is still a famine or feast guy.
 
Warner doesn't have a stellar ODI record but still better than Gutpill atm and ahead of Gutpill in T20's....marginally ahead of Rohit in T20I's.

So Rohit>Warner>Gutpill
 
Currently I would take Guptill over anyone in LOIs as opener. Guy has been immense over the last 3 years or so.
 
Actually they are at same level. Not much to differ them and they have their limitations. However, these guys have still potential to achieve more than Amla and so they can get the edge. But still they haven't done enough to get rated wayy higher than Amla.

Amla is better than all 3 in test format. But these 3 have much more impact in LOI format than Amla.
 
Warner 74 ODIs, De Kock 63 ODIs. Not much of a difference tbh. Even Rohit has opened in only 63 ODI innings.

Also remember Warner has at times been rested for LOI series whilst de kock is playing most LOI games for south Africa
 
Also remember Warner has at times been rested for LOI series whilst de kock is playing most LOI games for south Africa

Yes, he hasn't played continuously. I think that may be a reason why he has under performed (relatively). In terms of ability, he probably is the best of the lot.
 
Yes, he hasn't played continuously. I think that may be a reason why he has under performed (relatively). In terms of ability, he probably is the best of the lot.

Yes his odi record isn't as good as it is in tests think he will improve it.
 
Australian HTB's usually get away with it lightly than say a HTB from SC.

Some of them to such an extent that they even get called Mr.Cricket
 
Dont really rate Warner and Guptill has not played long enough as opener.
So Sharma ji, it is.
 
But not as good as he is made out to be away from Australia and South Africa

South Africa isn't that easy place to score first. Hayden failed in Eng, NZ and SA and had problems with swing. Warner won his team a series against a strong no.1 SA team.
 
South Africa isn't that easy place to score first. Hayden failed in Eng, NZ and SA and had problems with swing. Warner won his team a series against a strong no.1 SA team.

South African pitched suit his batting perfectly. Ball comes on to the bat nicely and also the bounce allows him to play the pull and cut shots which he thrives off. That said scoring runs is not easy in South Africa but I expect Warner to do well there. Test is if he can play long innings on slow and low tracks were ball won't come on to the bat as easy as it does in south Africa and Australia
 
If this is on current form, then Rohit Sharma. If you're talking about performances over the past several years, then no one comes close to Hashim Amla, who is arguably the second best opener of all time.

Gilchrist
Hayden
Sehwag
Ganguly
Sachin
Mark waugh
Saeed anwar
Gayle
Jaysuriya
Gibbs
Kristen

Just some of the names better than Amla in ODIs :)) :))
 
South African pitched suit his batting perfectly. Ball comes on to the bat nicely and also the bounce allows him to play the pull and cut shots which he thrives off. That said scoring runs is not easy in South Africa but I expect Warner to do well there. Test is if he can play long innings on slow and low tracks were ball won't come on to the bat as easy as it does in south Africa and Australia

The comparison is in reference to Hayden where he is no less than him as can be seen with both stats and impact.Warner is obviously not being called here an ATG but definitely has in him to be one of the greats.
 
Warner is no less than hayden away from home till the given sample and the fact that his peak is about to come can't be ignored.Ofcourse not comparing them directly.
 
It's btw Warner and Amla. Both Guptil and Rohit are inconsistent and don't know Guptil plays any matches out of NZ recently. For me Warner has slight edge over Amla considering Warner's recent form (including IPL).
Btw with Amla you can guarantee solid start 7/10 times (thinks he score a century >8 games). So
Warner => Amla > Rohit = Guptil
 
The comparison is in reference to Hayden where he is no less than him as can be seen with both stats and impact.Warner is obviously not being called here an ATG but definitely has in him to be one of the greats.

Yes I agree with that :)
 
It's btw Warner and Amla. Both Guptil and Rohit are inconsistent and don't know Guptil plays any matches out of NZ recently. For me Warner has slight edge over Amla considering Warner's recent form (including IPL).
Btw with Amla you can guarantee solid start 7/10 times (thinks he score a century >8 games). So
Warner => Amla > Rohit = Guptil

In the last 3 years, these are the stats for the names you have mentioned against non minnows:

Warner avg. 44 sr. 98
Amla avg. 47 sr. 85
Rohit avg. 60 sr. 92
Guptill avg. 47 sr. 90

You've got your order wrong.
 
In the last 3 years, these are the stats for the names you have mentioned against non minnows:

Warner avg. 44 sr. 98
Amla avg. 47 sr. 85
Rohit avg. 60 sr. 92
Guptill avg. 47 sr. 90

You've got your order wrong.

Think Amla don't have a good 2015 which screwed his stat. Thinks He start this with a Century though I'm not sure.
 
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