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Martin Scorsese says Marvel movies ‘are not cinema’

Ofcourse its not cinema. Or perhaps it can be regarded as cinema but for certain its not "art".
 
It is for a particular age group. I don't think anyone beyond 35 would like MCU movies.
 
Marvel are good for time pass.

Can’t ever take them seriously. DC have taken reality to a whole new level in the Joker movie
 
Yes but these kind of movies which are called entertainment were always made but the box office capabilities of these is what is shocking.

Avengers last one was pretty lame imho but a humongous hit, Disney has basically captured the market in such a way that it has become impossible to touch them financially.
 
Yeah coz he made Taxi driver and King of comedy, maybe you should see both and realize the years in which he made them.

Are you burning for Scorsese as his prized asset Deniro was humiliated by Joaquin at the end?
 
he said the truth, but someone tell him that animation movies are also not cinema.

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Are you burning for Scorsese as his prized asset Deniro was humiliated by Joaquin at the end?
? You know it was a movie right.. and Dinero signed that movie knowing the role...

How old are you?
 
? You know it was a movie right.. and Dinero signed that movie knowing the role...

How old are you?

DeNiro is washed up now he will take what he gets.

As if he would have taken a role like this in his prime :)) :))
 
DeNiro is washed up now he will take what he gets.

As if he would have taken a role like this in his prime :)) :))

He took the tole imo coz ‘King of comedy’...and not sure why you have a dislike for De Niro..

Also Deniro has done a similar role in combination Taxi Driver and King of Comedy..
 
Pretty sure he meant comic book movies in general

He didn't make that comment or implied it with any of his statements, but I see it is very easy to confuse the Marvel Universe for what is expected from comic books and comic book movies because of how the brand has taken off in the main stream.

Comic books and comic book movies are not limited to goofy / light hearted characters which are primarily designed to incite a reaction from teenage children and little girls, that is what franchises such as MCU and Star Wars more recently do no doubt.

Martin's attacks were specific towards the Marvel brand and that would make sense because his comment that they are not the cinema of human beings trying to convey emotional, psychological experiences to another human being are not applicable to Nolan's series or Logan for example; both which were inspired by source material from comic books which included the long halloween and old man logan; works which predominately included adult themes and were very gritty.

The narrative of old man logan is very bleak and conveyed through a noir art work style (the movie would be re-released in a noir format later), his character becomes extremely visceral because at this point he has nothing left to lose and that sets the scene for a character which had been through a great deal over many life times; this aspect set the scene for his finest hours in cinema. Likewise, Nolan and David were heavily inspired by the long halloween when writing the story and subsequent script for the Batman series which they made.

But totally agree with Martin's point, you would have to be Lenny from Of Mice and Men to really big up the MCU; it quite similar to movies from Dwayne Johnson; in tone whatever these guys make are all very similar and there's little capacity to be enthralled on a story-telling and character level; sure the explosions are nice no one will ever disagree with that, if Iron Man took a dump on screen these guys would eat it all up that is the power of their brand now and anyone who criticises this trash which has been so influential in the stuff which is produced in the main stream today must be crazy.

It is so sickening to see this much disrespect for Martin Scorsese and the legendary actors who starred in his many master-pieces, but that is the power of MCU it has contributed to the decline in civilisation and an intellectual awareness which can help one appreciate good cinema, they have been brain washed these poor sods. RIP.
 
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Old heads love talkin about their days and gatekeeping.


Yeah coz he made Taxi driver and King of comedy, maybe you should see both and realize the years in which he made them.

Lol

Endgame >>>>>> Taxi Driver
 
We have reached new lows

taxi driver isn't a bad movie but you gotta admit it's less entertaining than endgame. There are some good old movies like rosemary's baby and the amityville horror story and the the Godfather series but taxi driver ain't one of them. Like I'll even accept that the original Rocky series was better than Creed but taxi driver is just overrated.
 
Old heads love talkin about their days and gatekeeping.




Lol

Endgame >>>>>> Taxi Driver

On a personal note found infinity wars better than endgame.. I have nothing against comic movies when done right ..Logan was very well done.
 
He’s right, Marvel movies are not cinema but they are movies. And who doesn’t like a good movie?
 
Very poor of him to say thay but I also believe that every human has a right to be cocky. We should not aspire for a generation of happily agreeable people making politically correct statements rather than being honest about things.
 
Scorsese, Spielberg...they all seem a bit hurt by the success of their rivals. I am not a fan boy by any means but cinema is, at the end of the day, meant to be entertainment and so.e of those movies are absolutely thrilling. Infinity war and winter soldier excelled at that.
 
I absolutely loved the Marvel films and enjoyed watching them with my teenagers.

The films took billions of dollars at the box office and I think some people are just a little purple faced..
 
Infinity War is a superior & more polished movie than End Game.

Most Marvel movies are overrated.

They are over doing it with a million different remakes of Spider-Man and some of the silly additions like ant man and Gaurdians of the Galaxy.

X men, Iron Man, Captain America are very good.
 
A lot of the MCU movies are not great but here are some of my favorites:

Captain America: Winter Soldier
Captain America: Civil War
Avengers: Infinity War
Ant-Man
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Avengers: Endgame.
 
Although I don't like majority of marvel movies due to their humorous tone. but I don't agree with Scorsese's comment.
Cinema can't be judged in only one mould. Everybody has different taste.
Commercial movies are ruling over art or parallel cinema since ages & it's never going to change.
 
A lot of the MCU movies are not great but here are some of my favorites:

Captain America: Winter Soldier
Captain America: Civil War
Avengers: Infinity War
Ant-Man
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Avengers: Endgame.

Iron Man 1
Winter Soldier
Avengers 1
Infinity War

The rest are your standard superhero movies.
 
Were the X-men movies Marvel? I'm not really sure which one is which, I tend to lump all superhero movies together.

I really enjoyed the X-men franchise, and the Nolan Batman trilogy was epic. Agree that a lot of the current superhero movies are pretty uninspiring, but the good ones are great cinema in my opinion.
 
Were the X-men movies Marvel? I'm not really sure which one is which, I tend to lump all superhero movies together.

I really enjoyed the X-men franchise, and the Nolan Batman trilogy was epic. Agree that a lot of the current superhero movies are pretty uninspiring, but the good ones are great cinema in my opinion.

X-Men is not part of MCU. No.
 
Iron Man 1
Winter Soldier
Avengers 1
Infinity War

The rest are your standard superhero movies.

I forgot to add Iron-Man. Thanks.

Winter Soldier and Civil War were my major favorites. I still watch clips from those two movies.
 
MCU had 23 movies. Not a single X-Men movie. That's what I meant.

X-Men is not part of modern MCU yet.

You are confusing MCU and Marvel as such, MCU is an universe by the Marvel comics or cinema, X-Men is also a Marvel movie just not completely because Fox used to own the rights, now that Fox movies itself is owned by Disney the parent company of Marvel they will be in same universe.

Spiderman is out from Disney as such but Marvel will still own the character just not Disney.
 
MCU had 23 movies. Not a single X-Men movie. That's what I meant.

X-Men is not part of modern MCU yet.

I don’t know and don’t care about these ott geek technicalities. XMen is produced in the same family friendly way as Avengers is made. They follow the same pattern. Logan was slightly different but not iconic the way Batman Begins and this Joker movie will become.

Marvel can have Wonderwoman if they like.
 
You are confusing MCU and Marvel as such, MCU is an universe by the Marvel comics or cinema, X-Men is also a Marvel movie just not completely because Fox used to own the rights, now that Fox movies itself is owned by Disney the parent company of Marvel they will be in same universe.

Spiderman is out from Disney as such but Marvel will still own the character just not Disney.

My bad looks like Spiderman is back into MCU*
 
My bad looks like Spiderman is back into MCU*

Point is, the Marvel movies didn't have any X-Men character yet. They released 23 movies and they only focused on Captain America, Hulk, Iron-Man, Ant-Man, and a few others.
 
So I'm not that clear on this. Is Scorsese criticising superhero movies as a genre, or just specifically the Marvel studio films?
 
I don’t know and don’t care about these ott geek technicalities. XMen is produced in the same family friendly way as Avengers is made. They follow the same pattern. Logan was slightly different but not iconic the way Batman Begins and this Joker movie will become.

Marvel can have Wonderwoman if they like.

X-Men come under Marvel but historically have had a universe of their own separate from Marvel, for that reason it makes sense their movies have generally been different in tone apart from recent releases. Logan was incredible really, they did the Wolverine character justice; under "Marvel" umbrella best I have seen
 
So I'm not that clear on this. Is Scorsese criticising superhero movies as a genre, or just specifically the Marvel studio films?

Yes it is mainly MCU, specifically pointed it out in the article
 
Yes it is mainly MCU, specifically pointed it out in the article

Fair enough then, I hadn't really looked at them that closely, but he's mostly right. They don't have much depth like some of the other movies, and to be fair, he is a good judge. Puts his money where his mouth is.
 
Humanity reached the lowest point in its history when Avengers Endgame became the highest grossing film ever
 
I agree with Marty to the extent that Marvel movies are mostly green-screened for FX etc. Generally I find action movie great technical material, for sound and vision, but Cinema in its purist form? I don't think so.

I watched the The Highway-men yesterday, and it was sheer delightful viewing. With no SFX etc, it just felt like a proper movie, in that it felt natural and not over the top etc.
 
I agree with Marty to the extent that Marvel movies are mostly green-screened for FX etc. Generally I find action movie great technical material, for sound and vision, but Cinema in its purist form? I don't think so.

I watched the The Highway-men yesterday, and it was sheer delightful viewing. With no SFX etc, it just felt like a proper movie, in that it felt natural and not over the top etc.

Highwaymen was good but it was kind of boring in the middle. I liked the ending.

Some MCU movies are good and some are average. It has its audience.
 
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Humanity reached the lowest point in its history when Avengers Endgame became the highest grossing film ever

Wow, there is so much poverty and suffering in the world but humanity reaches its lowest point because of some dweeb movie, what's the difference between that and all the other dweeb video games ya"ll be playing or any kind of entertainment for that matter. Jesus Christ, get a grip bruv; you've lost your mind just like your clown hero Kuckyeh West.
 
Wow, there is so much poverty and suffering in the world but humanity reaches its lowest point because of some dweeb movie, what's the difference between that and all the other dweeb video games ya"ll be playing or any kind of entertainment for that matter. Jesus Christ, get a grip bruv; you've lost your mind just like your clown hero Kuckyeh West.

:)))
 
Marvel's Avengers: Gaming can be 'more personal' than movies

Thor spins his hammer Mjolnir, and smashes a robot from outer space to smithereens.

He's defending planet earth, a job he's been doing for nearly 50 years in comics, on TV and - most notably recently - in films.

But this time, the Thor on screen looks and sounds a bit different. And he'll behave differently depending on who's playing.

Because this isn't the movies. It's a new game featuring the Avengers.

But according to the actor bringing Thor to life for it, this isn't just a poor imitation of the hugely successful Marvel blockbusters.

Travis Willingham tells Radio 1 Newsbeat: "To me... it's making your own film.

"Rather than just being in a sort of passive viewer perspective."

Black Widow, famously played by Scarlett Johansson in the movies, is performed in this game by Laura Bailey.

And for her, the main difference between the two versions is choice.

"You get to embody these heroes," she says. "You get to feel like you are them - but they get to be the version you want them to be."

Travis and Laura are sharing a sofa in their home in California - they're chatting to us online.

Because - plot twist - in the real world, Black Widow and Thor are married.

"What does it feel like to be sitting next to a god?" jokes Travis to Laura in his Thor voice.

He says he's not bored of the inevitable comparisons with the hugely successful movie franchise.

"I love what Chris Hemsworth did as Thor," he says.

"It would be a lie to say that I didn't use that as a starting point for the character.

"He could have been very gruff or very aggressive - instead he made him a very real, relatable character, with very apparent weaknesses and strengths.

"I have the movies on all the time!"

When the game was originally announced, the characters were criticised by some for looking like quite bland versions of the iconic superheroes.

But behind the animations is a cast of actors made from gaming royalty.

From Nolan North (who plays Nathan Drake in the Uncharted series) and Troy Baker (famous for playing Joel in The Last of Us) to Travis and Laura.

Travis recently played Kingpin in Spiderman and Laura's been heralded for her performance as Abby in the Last of Us 2.

They also have a long history of performing these roles in previous games, from mobile titles to Lego versions.

Developers are hoping these new versions of the characters will appeal to Marvel fans.

The game's played from a third person perspective, and as with titles like Destiny 2 or The Division, it wants players to work through missions to keep improving their chosen character's abilities, gear and powers.

Reviews so far have been mixed.

Some critics are frustrated at the lack of variety in the gameplay and technical issues, while at the same time being impressed at the performances and some of the cinematic moments in the game.

Travis and Laura they hope it will find an audience keen for more Avengers action.

"There's no way we were going to be able to be what the movies are," says Laura.

"We're making a completely different story, and it's great to be breaking off in that way."

Travis adds: "Being hands-on with these characters, being able to choose which action you take, being able to have that agency is unique.

"I think that's refreshing for an audience that knows Marvel to know there are new rules, new dynamics and new things to learn about and investigate."

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-54058061.
 
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