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Michael Hussey vs Saeed Ajmal or Matthew Wade vs Shaheen Shah Afridi : Which hurt more?

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Both are clutch knocks played in semifinals and both batsmen took on top bowlers from the respective tournaments and took them apart to win their respective matches.

Whose knock hurt more as per Pakistani fsns - Hussey's or Wade's?
 
I think this game was more surprising considering Pakistan got KO'd by Wade (who is not as good as Hussey).

Also, UAE was supposed to be like a fortress for Pakistan; they haven't lost a T20 here for years.
 
Ajmal was a spinner, him being hit at the death is still understandable. Shaheen was bowling at 90 mph plus, this will hurt him more. Stuart Broad got whacked for 6 sixes in an over, he has now gone on to become one of England's best test bowlers.
 
Neither. Cricket is a sport and one wins and the other has to lose. Why would you feel hurt over a game?
 
Hussey cause we actually were going to win that game, posted a mammoth 191 and restricted them to needin 21 or so runs off the final over against one of our best bowlers, we were also defending champions and were coming off a winless tour from Australia so we had a lot on the line and losing to Australia again in a close game was mentally shattering.
 
Hussey, because that game was in Pakistan hand all the way, this one was ebbing and flowing and you had an under pressure Hasan Ali, so knew Aussies were in the game till 20th over.
 
I think Marcus Stoinis has gone a bit under radar here. He played equally good knock. Initially, Wade was struggling.
 
Ajmal was a spinner, him being hit at the death is still understandable. Shaheen was bowling at 90 mph plus, this will hurt him more. Stuart Broad got whacked for 6 sixes in an over, he has now gone on to become one of England's best test bowlers.

The thread is about which innings hurt us more, if you didn't read already. And you are saying it will hurt shaheen? 😂 And then have to glorify about your own country men too while bragging about 6 sixes? Totally different scenario.

Should have even quoted Braithwate-Stokes coz that situation was more similar to Hussey-Ajmal and Stokes did end up winning WC final for his team. Heck even Asif-Jannat in this tournament was pretty similar compared to the 6 sixes in the middle of an innings.

I don't think it will hurt shaheen at all considering his team mate dropped a sitter, it was all over by then. Even if Shaheen managed to squeeze in that over after conceding just one boundary in next 3 balls. 14 off 6, Rauf bowling last over would have gotten smashed any way. The only chance Pakistan had was if Hassan had taken that catch, new batsman in and then you never know, still it was Australia's game. If you didnt follow the win predictor, before the start of shaheens over it was 80%+ for Australia, hassan ali got smashed for 15 runs in 18th over, no fault of shaheen at all, if anything it would hurt the entire team as much as it hurts shaheen coz Hassan let the entire time down. First with his pathetic 18th over and then dropping a sitter.

Mistakes were made in this match which cost us the game i.e. dropped catch at crucial stage.

However i guess in Ajmals match, we played flawless cricket for 39 overs. Win probability for Pakistan throughout was more than 90%, even when Ajmal came in to bowl the last over and Ajmal was a champion bowler. We as a Pakistan supporters were pretty confident that Ajmal will defend.

I recently posted that in one of the other threads that the prospect of facing Australia scares me. I still can't get over Hussey-Ajmal semi final. That really hurt differently.
 
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I would go with this one only because Ajmal bowled the last over, and who bowls a spinner in the last over
 
Hussey one was more devastating. Did not expect Ajmal too give away so many runs.
 
Ajmal was a spinner, him being hit at the death is still understandable. Shaheen was bowling at 90 mph plus, this will hurt him more. Stuart Broad got whacked for 6 sixes in an over, he has now gone on to become one of England's best test bowlers.
90 mph bowlers regularly get mauled in T20 cricket even by domestic players. If I remember correctly, Pakistan itself had smoked Billy Stanlake, who is even taller than Shaheen and bowls upto 150kmph.
So I think Shaheen will be fine.
 
Hussey's was unique but even if Stoinis got out Starc and Cummins can hit big and dew aside chasing is easier as the stats prove it. Intriguingly the great chasers were dumped out early
 
For me it's not even close. Hussey's was worse. Pretty sure they needed more runs in the last 4 overs than they needed today. In recent times I have never switched so much between who was favored after the end of each over as much as I did today. Pak got ahead after over 1, but Australia were well ahead after over 4, then it was us, then them, and on it went. Great game today and we never felt we were truly in the driver's seat at any point in time, and I'm sure Australians felt the same!

Hussey stole the game from us - he had no business winning them that game!
 
Hussey by far. It is not even close. Wade's catch was dropped and by that time game was already over.
 
For the second day running, a seemingly doomed chase proved anything but as Australia matched New Zealand in getting home with an over to spare thanks to some spectacular late hitting against Pakistan.

While the parallels with the Black Caps’ victory over England are obvious, this game also brought back memories of the only previous ICC Men’s T20 World Cup semi-finals played by these two teams.

Rewind 11 years and Pakistan looked to be on their way to a third straight final when they piled up 191 for six batting first and then reduced Australia to 144 for seven in the 18th over.

In 2010 in the West Indies, it was Michael Hussey who almost singlehandedly swung the game, with six sixes in his 24-ball 60.

A player at the peak of his powers, he was able to do something that few thought possible at the time, the sort of destructive knock that has become more commonplace as the format has developed.

Still, Hussey was regarded as arguably the best white-ball finisher in the game at the time. If someone was going to turn a game like that, it was probably him. His three maximums off Saeed Ajmal were matched by Matthew Wade in Dubai, who went one better by getting three in a row off Shaheen Shah Afridi to seal a stunning chase of 177.

Wade was a more unlikely hero than Hussey. Not that he is not a capable batter, but he had only ever topped 30 on one occasion in a chase in T20Is, and that came when opening. He did not have anywhere near the pedigree of Hussey when it came to finishing.

In fact, it was his batting partner Marcus Stoinis who seemed the more likely match-winner, and for Wade, the all-rounder was the man who turned the game when he took 13 off Haris Rauf in the 17th over including a six and a four.

That brought the required rate down to just over 12 an over from the last three, the sort of numbers that have become easily attainable, particularly with the rapport between the batters that Wade and Stoinis possess.

They did just that, Stoinis finishing unbeaten on 40 and Wade a blistering 41 from just 17 deliveries.

Asked about how the pair have become such good finishers, Wade explained: “It’s confidence, confidence in your ability to finish the game. To be able to bat with Marcus has been awesome, I’ve played a lot of cricket with him at Victoria early on in his career so I’ve seen him grow into the cricketer he is today.

“I know if I can hang with him for four or five overs, he’s going to find the boundary, he’s too big and strong not to. The reason that he and I worked well towards the back end is that we know each other’s game so much.

“Trying to keep calm is probably the biggest thing towards the back end. That’s quite easy for me because I look down the other end and I see his big rig ready to send it out of the park. It might not be as easy for him at the other end.”

Where Hussey produced a virtuoso solo performance to stun Pakistan over a decade ago, this time it was a joint effort from the next generation of Australian finishers.

The hope for Australia now is that history does not repeat itself once more. In 2010, Hussey's heroics did not lead to a title as England won the final. With Wade and Stoinis, perhaps this is the year that Australia end their wait for an ICC Men's T20 World Cup crown.
 
Hussey hurt more as it seemed to come out of nowhere against our champion bowler.

I think this game was lost even before the Shaheen was over and the majority of us have some reservations about Shaheens death bowling that made it quite unsurprising that this happened.
 
Its a series Previously Hussey, Then Wade, in future someone else. Nothing new. We were never that skilled like Australia. We can perform here and there but to beat team like Australia you need proper skill and talent. Had we ball first result will still be the same.
 
Hussey's was unique but even if Stoinis got out Starc and Cummins can hit big and dew aside chasing is easier as the stats prove it. Intriguingly the great chasers were dumped out early

Exactly. Australia was always in the match. They can win even batting first. We don't have players to fight with them.
 
Exactly. Australia was always in the match. They can win even batting first. We don't have players to fight with them.

I am 95% sure Pakistan would've won if they bowled first. You guys are just not accepting the importance of toss because that would undermine your victories against India and NZ. Batting is a lot easier in second half.
 
While he can see distinct similarities, the previous batting hero of an unlikely Australia T20 World Cup semi-final triumph over Pakistan believes there is a significant difference in the men's team's current pursuit of the one global limited-overs trophy to have thus far eluded it.

Mike Hussey, whose remarkable unbeaten 60 from 24 balls lifted Australia from a seemingly hopeless position into the final of the 2010 event in the Caribbean, believes his cameo might have masked an outfit that had peaked too early.

By contrast, Hussey sees the current Australia line-up – which meets New Zealand in Sunday's final at Dubai on the back of Matthew Wade's equally stunning 41no off 17 – as having built momentum throughout the tournament to be hitting their straps at the right moment.

Comparisons have been drawn between the left-handers' respective last-over onslaughts, with Hussey bludgeoning 18 (including three sixes) from four deliveries off Pakistan leg-spinner Saeed Ajmal in St Lucia, while Wade's 20 from four balls came against speedster Shaheen Afridi.

Both pyrotechnics shows came in knockout matches that Pakistan had dominated for much of the earlier phases, and ensured Australia enter the only two finals they've reached at T20 World Cups with breeze at their backs.

But Hussey sensed it was not to be plain sailing when they flew to Barbados just hours after the completion of that memorable 2010 semi-final to face England, who had been in red-hot form.

"At least the Aussies have got a couple of days this time just to come down off the high, to re-assess and then go again," Hussey told cricket.com.au.

"But there's no worries about getting up for a World Cup final after such a big semi-final, they'll be jumping out of their skins.

"The semi-final we won, I felt Pakistan played arguably the better cricket throughout the game and my sense was we were just starting to tail off.

"If we'd played England in the final maybe two games earlier, then it might have been a different story, I don't know.

"I just felt we were tapering off a touch, but that's just my opinion – I'm sure there are other guys who disagree with me there.

"But I think this Aussie team has been good in building momentum and has got gradually better with each game.

"There were a few question marks over this Aussie team at the start of the tournament, but it's just got better and better and gained more confidence as they've gone along."

Hussey noted the key to tournament play was ensuring things were going well enough in the group stage to make it through to the playoff rounds, but still to have room for improvement at the pointy end of competition.

However, he also noted Australia's 2007 flawless one-day World Cup campaign in the West Indies – of which he was a part – was an exception to that rule because "that team was in top form all the way through, it was unbelievable".

The fact that Australia outfit under Ricky Ponting was at the height of its considerable powers and carried all before it in both Test and ODI formats provides Hussey pause to consider the formidable obstacle New Zealand represents in 2021.

But for a wretched overthrow and a curious countback system, the Black Caps might be holders of two of global cricket's three most prestigious trophies with a chance of claiming the T20 crown on Sunday evening.

Despite NZ's recent run of success, Hussey is tipping Australia to win their first T20 World Cup although he also believes the outcome might be hugely influenced by events before a ball is bowled.

"Obviously I'm going to tip Australia, but not with full confidence," he said.

"I think New Zealand have been superb, and fantastic in all three formats of the game in the last few years so what a triumph it would be for them if they could cap it off.

"I hate to say it, and I don't like to see any result being influenced by the coin toss, but I think the toss will be crucial.

"I think there's been a high proportion of games at this World Cup that have been won by the team batting second, and that's significant.

"So as much as I don't like it, maybe the team that wins the toss has a huge advantage."

Read more at:

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/mik...ustralia-t20-world-cup-semi-finals/2021-11-13
 
Hussey's assault against the Chucker still hurts. I was there in the stadium with my wife and had already planned a nice dinner at a fancy restaurant in St Lucia to celebrate the SF against Australia , but thanks to Mr. Cricket, never happened.
 
Hussey vs Ajmal one

In this tournament 20 runs from 12 balls is not a big ask and was chased down multiple times
 
Hussey.

Because Ajmal had that aura of invincibility and Hussey just shattered everything. Epic phainta.


Shaheen was very unlucky and just in the same tournament likes of Hazelwood/Starc/Jordan/other pacers all are getting hit.
 
For me, the knockout on Thursday 'hurt' more. Thinking back to the 2010 World Cup, Pakistan were a bit fortunate to get to the Semis. The only major team that they beat was South Africa. In the group stages they lost to England, New Zealand and Australia.

Here, though, they were of course brilliant in the group stages and there seemed to be a different spirit about them. So even though Wade's innings might not have been at the same level as Hussey's, the recent loss - for me at least - had more of a sting.
 
I am 95% sure Pakistan would've won if they bowled first. You guys are just not accepting the importance of toss because that would undermine your victories against India and NZ. Batting is a lot easier in second half.

Ooh stop this non sense. What India did with the bat vs Pak & NZ had nothing to do with the toss.

Pak had to win this but for some reason babar, malik and hafeez decided to feed Aus pace for 6 overs in the end.

Imad not bowling out was criminal vs 2 new batters. So much went wrong.

With the bat you cant accept much from failures like hafeez and malik at least one could have taken the ball and bowl!
 
Hussey of course, Pakistan would have won that match easily until Ajmal started serving pies in the final over
 
Showering praise on Matthew Wade's match-winning blitz against Pakistan in the T20 World Cup, star Australia opener David Warner has said he could never imagine himself hitting the kind of six that Wade hit. In the semi-final contest of the T20 showpiece event, Wade slammed three consecutive maximums off Shaheen Afridi en route to his unbeaten 17-ball 41, helping Australia inch closer towards adding one more piece of silverware in their trophy cabinet.

Evoking memories of Michael Hussey's famous 24-ball 60 versus Pakistan, Wade emerged as an unlikely hero for Australia. He teamed up with Marcus Stoinis, who finished unbeaten on 40 from 30 deliveries as Australia hunted down the 177-run target with an over to spare.

The Aussies then beat New Zealand by eight wickets in a lop-sided final to clinch their maiden T20 World Cup trophy. “In those situations, I can’t play the shot that he plays. If I was out there, I would never have hit that six because I can’t play that shot. Having a guy like him to come in like he did…” said Warner on Backstage with Boria show.

“Specifically in Australia, they wrote Matthew Wade and Marcus Stoinis off. They said they can’t win games for Australia. Yes, they can. They won the biggest game for us.”

Wade was dropped on the third ball of the 19th over by Hasan Ali in the deep mid-wicket region, which turned out to be a major event. With Australia needing 18 off 9 balls, the left-hander then ramped Afridi over fine-leg, flicked the slower one over deep square leg in the next ball and then ended with another ramp shot -- completing a hat-trick of maximums.

Before Wade and Stoinis added 81 for the sixth wicket to seal the final berth for their side, it was Warner the set the tone with a brilliant 49 off 20 balls, which was laced with three fours and as many sixes.

“The one thing that stood out for us was, and this is no disrespect to Shaheen, experience plays a big role in big games. Matthew Wade, he will always ramp. Shaheen Afridi’s best delivery is going to be a yorker. If he misses his yorker, and if Wade hits him behind (the wickets), even with a fielder back, it’s going to go for six because he is bowling at 150 kph. If you don’t execute it properly, you are going to drop it short. That’s exactly what he did," Warner further said.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ays-people-wrote-him-off-101641559545775.html
 
This, like Hussey was quite enjoyable. You have to appreciate quality.

Mohali was torture as was 2007
 
Ajmal to Hussey because our spinner then was a world class bowler who we expected to deliver a win. Also because being a semi final match it knocked us out of the competition. Here we still have a good chance of going through.
 
Australia and India are the most anti-choke teams. It’s why they have the most silverware.

At a certain point in a match your ability to not choke outweighs how skilled you are compared to the other players. Because buckling under pressure will evaporate all your skill anyway. Just ask ABD and Amla.

Pakistan are going the way of SA if this trend continues.
 
Micheal Hussey's knock hurt because Pakistan in 2010 was a monster t20 side. 2007-2011 were Peak t20 Pakistan.

2012 Misbah killed it in a single year, and no Misbah fan ever brings this up, they don't bring up how Misbah was forced to retire from t20 and how he nuked the t20 side twice, once as a captain and the 2nd time around as a coach and chief selector.

Pakistan should not have lost that game but even so, hussey played an atg knock, their wasn't anything wrong with pak's bowling that day. Even ajmal bowled well. Sometimes when a batter is onsong, theirs nothing any bowler can do. Even Warne and murli have been taken to the cleaners.

Mcgrath is the only one who didn't really get dominated.

2021 didn't hurt at all. It was a medicore team that played one very good game against India and lucked out against afghanistan and Nz as Asif Ali played 2 freak atg knocks despite being a tailender prior to that innings.

Pakistan shpuld not have lost against australia in 2021, as they had crushed australia but it's still their fault. It's babar's and rizzu fault for playing such a crap innings where every Tom dick and Harry commentator even Ramiz raja included was saying that Pakistan were a good 20 runs short.

Secondly the bowling and fielding was poor especially from hasan ali. Mattew wade isn't even within bootlicker distance of hussey as a batter. Getting spanked by him exposed how poor prime shaheen was as a death bowler, How stupid Babar was when he kept relying on hasan ali deapite hasan being useless in previous games and how poor the opening pair really were.

God ensured justice on that day.
 
I think both innings equally hurt because it deprived pakistan the chance of reaching the finals of a world cup.
 
I would say India defending 120 in NYC in WT20 2024 is definitely the greatest heists in a India-Pak match. Didn’t see that one coming.
 
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