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Mickey have failed to deliver after taking the jobs of the struggling sides Pakistan and Karachi
 
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Could have sent Usama Mir earlier as he can strike it big but coach and all the assistant coaches have no idea. Deserve to lose.
 
jazbati said:
Could have sent Usama Mir earlier as he can strike it big but coach and all the assistant coaches have no idea. Deserve to lose.
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he knows Sohail is a big hitter but did not send him in early
 
Quite a useless coach. No wonder he was fired from each of his previous jobs.
 
Karachi fans crying :))) Just because their team is full of so much rubbish. Give a team like Lahore to Mickey and watch
 
Syed1 said:
Quite a useless coach. No wonder he was fired from each of his previous jobs.
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he has a clause in his contract with PCB, that they can fire him if he fails to deliver after 1 year of joining the team :ma
 
Coaches hardly affect T20 games. It's more down to the captain and personnel.

Mickey's doing a fine job with the national team. He's the reason why Babar and Sharjeel excelled.
 
aliasad1998 said:
Karachi fans crying :))) Just because their team is full of so much rubbish. Give a team like Lahore to Mickey and watch
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McCullum is carrying Lahore by his captaincy don't get too excited, thanks to Karachi fielders they dropped 2 catches that cost them runs

Mickey is a proving he's ineffective day by day
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Coaches hardly affect T20 games. It's more down to the captain and personnel.

Mickey's doing a fine job with the national team. He's the reason why Babar and Sharjeel excelled.
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but what about the fast bowlers failing consistently even on the NZ greentops
 
Arthur has been tremendously disappointing in every aspect as a Pakistani coach, and now as the Kings coach

He has terrible judgement, his team's suck, and bowling, batting and fielding have all deteriorated under his regime
 
No he's not in affective. It was his idea to move Babar to number 3, to move Azhar to opener, and the improvements in Sharjeel were because of Arthur and Dean Jones.

It's not his fault that Karachi fielding is rubbish. Also Gayle and Pollar don't look interested at all. Sanga has been a poor captain as well. I think the usage of Bopara could be his fault, he should send him higher but I wouldn't say he's an inaffective coach due to some poor performance in a t20 league.
 
oh yes. Looks like Mickey has taken Misbah's place as the guy who will get blamed for everything.

Maybe its time to start looking at the players. Maybe our players just aren't good enough, but no that cant be the reason.
 
aliasad1998 said:
Karachi fans crying :))) Just because their team is full of so much rubbish. Give a team like Lahore to Mickey and watch
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The same fans cry when Pakistan loses under his coaching. Nothing changes - we are all the same.
 
Mickey was happy that he found two good limited in sharjeel and babar , unfortunately one of them turned out to be a fixer.
 
Arthur is a fine coach. Karachi's selections and player picking are not good.
 
For goodness sake! I said it even before the tournament started, that karachi is the worst team . . everyone was going gung ho about the team selected, but really?!?!

Chris Gayle, Sangakkara, Jaywerdene, Ravi Bopara, Keiran Pollard . . are all either retired, past their best, or are not in their international teams . . karachi went crazy about their selections since they selected "legends". .
granted, they're legends! but it's exactly like saying lets select wasim akram, waqar younis, inzamam and expect them to win! Come on!!!

Then, folks like Babar Azam, Shoaib Malik are steady players . . not gonna set the world alight in a t20 competition!

So, for me . . Mickey Arthur is coaching the worst team in the competition! Can't blame him much . .
 
His contribution to pakistan cricket:

1.) Giving Sharjeel the confidence to go out and perform and he was brilliant in Australia (too bad he shot himself in the foot)
2.) Giving Babar the confidence that he deserves cuz of his ability and playing him at 3 in all formats and backing him . . he is delivering in ODI and I am sure he will start delivering in Tests soon too! I bet if this was any other coach, Babar would still be batting at 5 or 6 and wouldn't be anywhere near the player he has become!

I am positive, he will push for Shadab Khans inclusion in the ODI team very soon as well!

His advocacy for Sarfaraz has meant he is confident and now is also captain . .

So there's some good things he has done already!
 
Hamzakhalid said:
Arthur is a fine coach. Karachi's selections and player picking are not good.
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Mickey was at the core of the selection committee for Karachi, and he surely have his say in the starting line ups, he know the players better than Sanga :ma
 
NauV said:
His contribution to pakistan cricket:

1.) Giving Sharjeel the confidence to go out and perform and he was brilliant in Australia (too bad he shot himself in the foot)
2.) Giving Babar the confidence that he deserves cuz of his ability and playing him at 3 in all formats and backing him . . he is delivering in ODI and I am sure he will start delivering in Tests soon too! I bet if this was any other coach, Babar would still be batting at 5 or 6 and wouldn't be anywhere near the player he has become!

I am positive, he will push for Shadab Khans inclusion in the ODI team very soon as well!

His advocacy for Sarfaraz has meant he is confident and now is also captain . .

So there's some good things he has done already!
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believe it or not, Sharjeel was selected by Afridi after that 100 that paved the way for his comeback not Mickey, if Waqar was the coach he would have given same chances to Sharjeel, and Babar was with the test squad even before Mickey joined, he was highly rated and could have gotten a chance no matter who was the coach
 
Sub-Zero said:
believe it or not, Sharjeel was selected by Afridi after that 100 that paved the way for his comeback not Mickey, if Waqar was the coach he would have given same chances to Sharjeel, and Babar was with the test squad even before Mickey joined, he was highly rated and could have gotten a chance no matter who was the coach
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Babar had a bad England tour where he averaged in 20s and got out after 20s or 30s. Any coach would have dropped Babar after first two matches in Australia. I'm sure Sharjeel had worked over his game plan with Arthur which certainly would've helped him.

Mickey Arthur's approach is very good, Just needs to sort out a number of decent players which will take time. But the way he handled these players is very good.

Everyone needs time it's barely about 6-8 months since Mickey Arthur has joined, But there certainly has been a change in our approach to selections, player handling and so on during his short tenure thus far.
 
Hamzakhalid said:
Babar had a bad England tour where he averaged in 20s and got out after 20s or 30s. Any coach would have dropped Babar after first two matches in Australia. I'm sure Sharjeel had worked over his game plan with Arthur which certainly would've helped him.

Mickey Arthur's approach is very good, Just needs to sort out a number of decent players which will take time. But the way he handled these players is very good.

Everyone needs time it's barely about 6-8 months since Mickey Arthur has joined, But there certainly has been a change in our approach to selections, player handling and so on during his short tenure thus far.
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Would not call it bad, he was a youngster not an experienced player who could go to England and score tons of runs, Rizwan was played as a specialist batsman and he also failed to deliver. In Australia ODI series his first 2 games were both 30+ scores, and half of the batsmen flopped, why would anyone drop Babar, Sharjeel had scored less runs than Babar in the first 2 games, and then there are geniuses like Umar Akmal in the line up as well. Batting coach Flower works hard with his players a lot, he should be given credit for the success of both of the players as well not Mickey, Flower was working with them since before Mickey joined the squad
 
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Sub-Zero said:
Would not call it bad, he was a youngster not an experienced player who could go to England and score tons of runs, Rizwan was played as a specialist batsman and he also failed to deliver. In Australia ODI series his first 2 games were both 30+ scores, and half of the batsmen flopped, why would anyone drop Babar, Sharjeel had scored less runs than Babar in the first 2 games, and then there are geniuses like Umar Akmal in the line up as well. Batting coach Flower works hard with his players a lot, he should be given credit for the success of both of the players as well not Mickey, Flower was working with them since before Mickey joined the squad
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Yes indeed, Hardly anyone even mentions Grant Flower, But he is a really wonderful coach, Our test batting has been good, Shafiq, YK and Azhar all have given credit to Grant.
 
Credit to him for persisting with Babar and recognizing his potential. He has given Babar a run at 3 in all formats and now Babar has repayed him by leading KK to their first win. Our terrible chief selector needs to give him the right team. Excellent coach
 
It's a contrasting role for Arthur, who might get sacked. I have read lot from Arthur & watched his teams - his strategy contradicts with PAK's selection policy & team combination. One has to step down, if it's to work.

Micky's philosophy is -

1. Fitness & youth - self explanatory. If he is allowed, he'll make PAK ODI team average age of 23 to start, so that by next WC it's around 25. He'll pull Test average age around 25 as well, because he is well aware of the official age factor. I can only suggest Babar that, after dad, if he is to respect anyone, it should be Arthur, otherwise his fate was written along the line of his fatsu cousin. If he is selected, posters will see what Ahmed is capable of under Arthur.

2. Flexibility - Arthur builds his LO teams on combination - few key players (say 3 specialist batsman & 3 specialist bowlers - rest are all-rounders & horses for courses). PAK's team is most one dimensional & extremely rigid. Also, Arthur often changed his bating order & bowling options by match - he had only few fixed spots like Smith to open, Styen to take the 1st over, Jaques to bat at 3. PAK plays with a spell bound strategy of MoHa to open with bat & ball, Sarfy to bat at 5, Umar at 6 - it won't have been a problem had MoHa been someone like the 3 I mentioned ...

3. Rotation - Arthur works with a principle of total strength of an unit, not individual skills. There will always few players beyond combination, but more or less he builds his match day XI on the combined strengths of unit on batting, bowling, fielding. Therefore, his teams are often changing by every match - he'll keep the core team intact (unless they are rested for a series) & rotate his 10-12 fringe players to a combination & he'll change his strategy to fit the team of the day. PAK played possible best XI in the dead rubber against ZIMBOKs & played Amir every match in ANZ your .......

4. Arthur isn't comfortable in a strategy that's dominated by spin. No offense - even Woolmer wasn't the best tool to operate with spinners - he replaced Saqui, Danish with all-rounders like Malik & Afridi. If PCB wants to appoint a foreign Coach, these domestics wickets have to change. I can't point finger to UAE wickets, because these are actually better than the PAK domestics wickets - at least spinners are getting some sharp turns & Imran Khalids & Zulfis & Ajmals are spanked for their half-trackers. In PAK, some of those balls would have rolled below the bat. If PAK is to continue with this strategy of 35 overs of spin, then they should appoint Misbah as head Coach & MoHa as his assistant.

It's a conflict of ideology - if PCB doesn't compromise, they should sack Arthur & appoint Misbah as Team director - he'll pick his support staffs.
 
aliasad1998 said:
Credit to him for persisting with Babar and recognizing his potential. He has given Babar a run at 3 in all formats and now Babar has repayed him by leading KK to their first win. Our terrible chief selector needs to give him the right team. Excellent coach
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Apart from the needless attack on the chief selector, I agree with this post.

Arthur has spotted a talent and has given him confidence by giving him a long run at a set position.

We really should've groomed Babar earlier, he should've played all those series in Asia. Lord knows why we were wasting time with the likes of Shan Masood and Shoaib Malik in Tests. Thank you Waqar the Revolutionary.
 
Babar should be truly grateful to Mickey for backing him the way he has. Any Pakistani coach would've ruined him by now.
 
ineffective, doesn't seem to understand Pak cricket, doesn't spend any time in Pakistan, and is way too emotional.

Also putting Babar straight into no. 3 was risky. He could have eased him in better in the England ODI's, and Babar has found it tough at three in tests.
 
people are just focusing on Babar and Sharjeel, what about the failures of the fast bowlers? using Rizwan as a specialist batsman even though he failed again and again last year? no improvement from the batting collapses? the defensive captaincy that turned sour later? there are a few other major things which are not improving, but regressing day by day
 
Markhor said:
Apart from the needless attack on the chief selector, I agree with this post.

Arthur has spotted a talent and has given him confidence by giving him a long run at a set position.

We really should've groomed Babar earlier, he should've played all those series in Asia. Lord knows why we were wasting time with the likes of Shan Masood and Shoaib Malik in Tests. Thank you Waqar the Revolutionary.
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Needless potshot at Waqar and just shows your biasness because the facts dont follow up with your story.

Also. Babar wasnt ready then. His entry into the team has been timed well by Waqar and Mickey, He was drafted into the ODI team in the home Zimbabwe series and given matches to perform. And when a space opened up in the middle order he was brought into the Test team where he has been shaky so far.

Unless you were up for the idea of Babar debuting as opener which clearly he doesnt want to do (Waqar tried that in ODIs) you have poor logic here. Secondly Malik offered the bowling option so not a direct comparison
 
Hasan123 said:
Lol if it wasn't for Mickey, Babars development may have been halted.
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Well hopefully Mickey can focus on the team now rather than a player

#1 Test team to #6 test team in record time
 
Slog said:
Well hopefully Mickey can focus on the team now rather than a player

#1 Test team to #6 test team in record time
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Putting Babar is for the betterment of the team. Under your precious Waqar we would be stuck with shan and hafeez

#Waqar knows .
 
aliasad1998 said:
Credit to him for persisting with Babar and recognizing his potential. He has given Babar a run at 3 in all formats and now Babar has repayed him by leading KK to their first win. Our terrible chief selector needs to give him the right team. Excellent coach
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Yep. Inzamam has given him dud after dud to work with.
 
Slog said:
Needless potshot at Waqar and just shows your biasness because the facts dont follow up with your story.

Also. Babar wasnt ready then. His entry into the team has been timed well by Waqar and Mickey, He was drafted into the ODI team in the home Zimbabwe series and given matches to perform. And when a space opened up in the middle order he was brought into the Test team where he has been shaky so far.

Unless you were up for the idea of Babar debuting as opener which clearly he doesnt want to do (Waqar tried that in ODIs) you have poor logic here. Secondly Malik offered the bowling option so not a direct comparison
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Waqar gave him one game as opener than he was dropped after that. At least give him a run there if that's where you see him
 
Slog said:
Needless potshot at Waqar and just shows your biasness because the facts dont follow up with your story.

Also. Babar wasnt ready then. His entry into the team has been timed well by Waqar and Mickey, He was drafted into the ODI team in the home Zimbabwe series and given matches to perform. And when a space opened up in the middle order he was brought into the Test team where he has been shaky so far.

Unless you were up for the idea of Babar debuting as opener which clearly he doesnt want to do (Waqar tried that in ODIs) you have poor logic here. Secondly Malik offered the bowling option so not a direct comparison
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Of course Babar's form will be shaky - he's toured Australia and New Zealand in his first few months of his Test career ! All the more reason why he should've been allowed to settle into the Test team earlier when we had all those series in Asia.

Babar showed potential all the way back in the autumn of 2014 when he scored that hundred vs a full-strength Australian attack in the tour match. Yet we still persisted with Hafeez (banned from bowling), Shoaib Malik (his bowling is hardly Murali-esque that he warranted a place on bowling alone), Shan Masood, and Ahmed Shehzad who we're both no fans of.

Babar could've easily been fitted into the middle order had the long overdue decision to promote Azhar Ali to open had been taken by Waqar. But long-term planning was never his strong suit. Thankfully we have a coach who did in four months what Waqar failed to do in four years of coaching.

Also please be consistent. You bashed Arthur for messing up Shafiq's promotion (I agree he handled it badly), but you give no credit to Arthur for promoting Azhar who was our best bat in Australia.

Slog said:
Well hopefully Mickey can focus on the team now rather than a player

#1 Test team to #6 test team in record time
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Unfortunately Mickey hasn't had the opportunity to pad his stats in UAE like certain predecessors. Hopefully at the end of this year we'll be back up in the Test rankings.
 
Just made Karman Akmal look like a fool on 2 Googlies, very impressed with this kid.

Got smashed for a six but came back well.
 
Markhor said:
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Babar could've easily been fitted into the middle order had the long overdue decision to promote Azhar Ali to open had been taken by Waqar. But long-term planning was never his strong suit. Thankfully we have a coach who did in four months what Waqar failed to do in four years of coaching.

Also please be consistent. You bashed Arthur for messing up Shafiq's promotion (I agree he handled it badly), but you give no credit to Arthur for promoting Azhar who was our best bat in Australia.
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Again more peddling of fiction

Azhar was initially promoted by Waqar in the Eng series in UAE.

Also.... 4 years of coaching? Forgot that its in 2 spells the first of which Azhar made his debut in. And the openers were actually doing well till that point so there wsnt a need to try new combinations.
 
Markhor said:
Unfortunately Mickey hasn't had the opportunity to pad his stats in UAE like certain predecessors. Hopefully at the end of this year we'll be back up in the Test rankings.
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Well considering Mickey lost a test to the weakest Test team to tour the UAE, I don't think your point stands.
 
Lol Waqar fans are forgetting it was his idea to have Azhar as odi captain and in the world cup he didn't want Sarfraz in the team.

What a brilliant tactican :salute
 
Slog said:
Again more peddling of fiction

Azhar was initially promoted by Waqar in the Eng series in UAE.

Also.... 4 years of coaching? Forgot that its in 2 spells the first of which Azhar made his debut in. And the openers were actually doing well till that point so there wsnt a need to try new combinations.
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For one Test as a stop gap - and that was only because Shan Masood was heading the ball onto his stumps by Anderson's 78mph bouncers.

We went through five different opening combinations under Waqar's second tenure - Manzoor/Shehzad, Hafeez/Shehzad, Hafeez/Aslam, Hafeez/Masood and Masood/Taufiq so no it wasn't working well.

How Waqar didn't see that he had the ideal solution to our opening woes in Azhar who HAS been an opener in domestic cricket showed his lack of vision.

Slog said:
Well considering Mickey lost a test to the weakest Test team to tour the UAE, I don't think your point stands.
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We still won the series.
 
Markhor said:
We still won the series.
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Sums up the state of the team under Arthur which has gone down from #1 to #6 in record time.

A 2-1 series win over WI in UAE in which we almost lost the first test as well is a cause for celebration
 
So far, he's been only talk. Inzi has given a lot of say to coach and captain in selection now. It isn't like in Misbah's time where captain didn't have any say.

So, has Mickey done anything or enough to kick out accumulators? He does big talk in press conferences that we need to play modern cricket.

But, if he doesn't drop Hafeez, Rizwan, Malik and bring in hitters, he'll be a failure for me.
 
How come every coach appointed by Pakistan is supposedly rubbish? Speaks a lot about the team itself rather than the coach.
 
Good at backing the right players.
Hopefully he backs Haris too after backing Sarfi as captain and Babar as batsman.
 
Syed1 said:
Oops yeah.. same difference. My point was Mir isn't some unknown name that MA picked out of nowhere.
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Look at the other teams, they've benched the likes of Zafar Gohar and Mohammad Asghar.

Usama Mir wasn't unknown but Arthur had praised him last year despite his limited success - he's been given his chances and has delivered this time around.
 
he's been a total disappointment, both with KK and Pakistan

Id rather someone like Viv Richards- he may not be much of a coach, but man does he get the team going
 
coy0607 said:
he's been a total disappointment, both with KK and Pakistan

Id rather someone like Viv Richards- he may not be much of a coach, but man does he get the team going
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Arthur for KK and Viv for QG are playing completely different roles, coach vs mentor.
 
Showing his ineffectiveness yet again.

Continues to play Gayle who repaid him with a blistering knock of 28 off 34. Mashallah.
 
Who cares what Arthur does in mickey mouse leagues, its the national team's fortunes that he'll rightly be judged upon.
 
Markhor said:
Who cares what Arthur does in mickey mouse leagues, its the national team's fortunes that he'll rightly be judged upon.
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In the same vein we should also disregard all the player performances in the PSL as well whether good or bad
 
The mystery inclusion of Chris Gayle does rest with Mr Arthur. He should know better, what is he thinking? I am sure Gayle will fire in 1-2 games but he is a spent force and this is 2nd year in a row he is failing in PSL
 
Won't be surprised if they go all the way. It will surely give Waqar fans some stomach bugs.
 
Players of Pakistan needs coach like Mickey not Waqar Aqib Inzi etc...
 
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Won't be surprised if they go all the way. It will surely give Waqar fans some stomach bugs.
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I'm more worried about the OTT stuff ARY is going to churn out if they somehow manage to win. For months.

It's better for everyone if they lose.
 
See what happens when you give a quality coach time to turn things around.
 
Brilliant coach. Give him the right players please inzi. Instead I bet Anwar and shehzad will get selected then people will bash Mickey
 
Shehzad will excel under Arthur. It wasn't possible for him to progress under a pathetic, egoistic coach like Waqar.
 
Mamoon said:
Shehzad will excel under Arthur. It wasn't possible for him to progress under a pathetic, egoistic coach like Waqar.
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he will start complaining which Im very sure of... just as how ppl heard the rumours on complain about the coach favouring babar and IMAD is like his adopted son blah blah, if they were to be true , we all can guess who the dramaqueen, crybaby and the leak hole is from...
 
Such an inaffecctive coach?

Armchair experts and Waqar fans ducking for cover.
 
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