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Misbah-ul-Haq appointed as Head Coach and Chairman of Selectors; Waqar Younis named bowling coach

Harsha Bogle's argument on Twitter regarding this.

It is demoralizing for a player when the selector is your coach, 1 man holds too much power in this case. If Misbah - the selector is choosing player A over player B. Player A has no excuse to not perform at a certain level, Player A would always be hold to trial with regards to his performance and would never be honest with the Coach in regards to his injury, morale or personal issues he might be dealing with at that point.

Player B who was not selected would never get the level of coaching required so that he can perform consistently at the top. Player B would always be at a loss and feel sense of nepotism because Misbah the selector and coach would prefer A over B since he has worked with A before
 
Excellent decision.

Wasim Khan is a thorough professional and has shown good understanding of not only the game but also our local cricket scene.

Excellent reforms.

Misbah will be a top coach, obviously, but combining the role with chief selector can pay dividends.

I'm just a bit worried for Misbah. He has given us so so so much. Pakistan cricket is in debt to him. Yet there's a troll group that will always hate him.

That hate mongering can start again, even on slightest slip ups.

We had become a team that went on its longest losing streak under Mickey Arthur and in Tests we've forgotten how to even win.

The Misbah hate brigade will want changes and results within days or months.

The dark days of Mickey Arthur will take some time to reverse. These hate mongers do worship Mickey Arthur which is odd, as he's been our worst coach.
 
Good luck to Misbah and Waqar, but we need someone in the ilk of Johan Botha or Jonty Rhodes as fielding coach.
Would also like to see Younis Khan or MoYo as batting coach.
 
Harsha Bogle's argument on Twitter regarding this.

Point is about being accountable and producing results. Football managers are expected to do the same or they get fired. There have been countless number of incidents with football managers and players too but if the football manager is making team win games nobody has any issues.

There are number of weak points in previous system as well which can also be easily contested. Harsha is apprehensive because he is seeing it first time ever in cricket but its the most common system in some other extremely popular team sports.

SA is also going for the same system and are trying to find the right man for the job.
 
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At least the positive thing to come out of this is that full accountability is on Misbah's shoulders now. He, or anyone in his vicinity cannot moan about outside forces. He messes up, he'll need to own up.

I'm just wondering who'll be the batting coach? As long as it's not Faisal Iqbal :))
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congratulations <a href="https://twitter.com/captainmisbahpk?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@captainmisbahpk</a> on being appointed as the head coach, chief selector& <a href="https://twitter.com/waqyounis99?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@waqyounis99</a> bhai as bowling coach by <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealPCB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealPCB</a> .<br><br>With these strong cricketing minds,having experience up their sleeves&a vast knowledge of the sport I foresee great times ahead 4 &#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816;cricket. <a href="https://t.co/cuSN68Nzte">pic.twitter.com/cuSN68Nzte</a></p>— Ahmad Shahzad &#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816; (@iamAhmadshahzad) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamAhmadshahzad/status/1169188492120920066?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2019</a></blockquote>
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What track record does Misbah have with selection and coaching?

This is international cricket not gully domestic match.

Poor decision and a purely financial one.
 
Misbah knows how to win Tests. So that's good.

But what I am afraid of is that he and Waqar will be captains by proxy - that would not help the onfield captain
 
Only thing is that Misbah is going to be the ultimate authority within the Team.Captain and coaches like Waqar are going to play second fiddle with him.Lot of negative comments on his appointment as much i have seen Pak cricket from outside after Javed and Imran he is the only guy who seem to have the ability to think on his feet.He may yet turned out to be a failure but there won't lack of effort or planning.
 
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Hi,

My first post here, so thought I'd give an observation on Misbah and Waqar's appointments.

A lot of people are down on these appointments, but we should remember that very few people actually applied for the roles. The PCB had two choices, a) choose between the existing applicants or b) try and head hunt somebody who hadn't applied i.e. Mike Hesson/Tom Moody etc. b) would have been a no-goer, because if Hesson or Moody havent applied, then they are not interested in the job. Also these guys would be reluctant to spend considerable time in Pakistan, which is essential to the role. Thus, no point moaning about who didn't apply.

Which leads us to a), the people who DID apply. Clearly a lot of people on here suddenly feel that Dean Jones was a viable candidate. His main attraction was that he was NOT Misbah. How is that a feasible choice for a long term appointment? The guy would struggle especially with squad members who don't speak english etc.

As regards Misbah, yes he did have select off days as captain like on the last Australian tour ( as [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] will repeatedly harp on about). However, there are elements to why I think this is potentially a very good appointment:

1) The guy was selected late in his career and made the most of his limited ability. this demonstrates a willingness to improve. Perhaps with the same attitude he will help improve some of the current squad, through the sheer example he set in his playing days

2) He has very recently been involved in domestic cricket and will know the good performers from the mediocre ones. He recently worked with Rashid Latif to choose the provincial squads, which even the negative people here on PP found to be largely acceptable. Thus, he has visibility of excellent domestic performers. Hopefully, the new system will mean that the TTFs will now face more potent attacks in first class cricket (because of the higher quality squads), not perform and then get weeded out, whilst the really good, mentally strong ones will emerge, and Misbah will have an eye on them as chief Selector

3) He was very recently in the captaincy position, so understands the pressures of the job. This is a vital quality to have and for a captain to rely on, when things are not going well. Let us not forget that Misbah showed tremendous fortitude and mental strength whilst being criticised by fans, ex-players and media from all sides. This experience and knowledge is something that a captain can rely on in difficult times. This, especially becomes important if we have a change of captain, with a new captain coming in for one of the formats

4) Despite the negativity around his tactics, it should be noted that he never had the fast bowling or batting resources to truly make the test team formidable. I am hopeful that, with the new structure, there will be better communication between the chief selector and the provincial head coaches, which means that we will see better 'test-ready' performers coming into the squad.

5) Lastly, it is his qualities as a man. I know that people will point towards the conflict of interest regarding Mickey's sacking. I can't disagree with this. However media reports today have suggested that it was actually the PCB who sought Misbah for the role. Allah knows if there was malice from Misbah, but I'd rather give him the benefit of the the doubt. This is a guy, who after the spot fixing scandal represented Pakistan as a statesman. He's a mentally strong guy who made the most of his limited abilities and he commands respect in the dressing room. This will help everybody to pull in the same direction, something which hasn't always happened in Pakistan cricket

Please note that I am absolutely not a Misbah loyalist, but think that his abilities as a player should not reflect his prospective abilities as a coach. Trevor Bayliss was not some sure thing when Sri Lanka made hime coach in 2007. Thus, as fans of Pakistan Cricket let's back this appointment and inshAllah it will be a great success!

Very balanced and sensible first post ! I am concerned Misbah, for all his qualities as a player and captain, has been hired with no coaching experience whatsoever.

However I was very impressed with the domestic squads and he has only recently retired so automatically is an upgrade over the likes of Mohsin and Waqar who were stuck in 80s/90s mindset.

Look forward to reading more.
 
Excellent move! Haters will keep on hating but they should remember izzat Allah pak dete hain.

Its a testament to the man's character that the previous two time head coach is willing to work under him. Simply unprecedented. Massive respects to Misbah :salute
 
The Waqar-Misbah combo again :misbah

Back with a renewed venegance. They tried to seal Pakistan's cricket fate when they both got Azhar Ali made as captain and now they are going to pull more rabbits out of the hat with full force. Theres no one to keep them in check. Full authority now.
 
This is going to be a lethal combo against Pakistan cricket. Disastrous.
 
Failure coach and captain of past combining together. What could possibly go wrong?



Absolute pathetic decision. A part of me is glad, Misbah will again be subject to abuses which he deserves for ruining our cricket.
 
Excellent move! Haters will keep on hating but they should remember izzat Allah pak dete hain.

Its a testament to the man's character that the previous two time head coach is willing to work under him. Simply unprecedented. Massive respects to Misbah :salute

Yes a lot of Izzat making us lose 2 world cups and being our worst odi batsmen ever. What izzat.
 
I agree with your point on Misbah's lack of experience, in that how aware is he of modern coaching techniques and drills. Given the weight of responsibility he has, it will be challenging for him to learn on the job.

However, this is where the PCB can help Misbah by employing highly skilled junior assistant coaches (possibly foreign ones) on whose expertise Misbah can rely on. I'm sure the opportunity would be attractive, as more junior foreign coaches will appreciate coaching an asian side like Pakistan, won't cost as much and don't need to be in the country all the time.

As important as the Misbah appointment is, it's also crucial that they get the batting and fielding coaches right, as these are where the deep set flaws remain. Hopefully the batting coach is Pakistani, as he can communicate the small adjustments needed to make players perform better. The fielding coach has to be foreign for obvious reasons.
 
Pakistan's Decline to Minnow Status Incoming.

Wasim Khan isn't the saviour we hoped for.

Some you guys are over-reacting. Yea the situation is not ideal but judge after a few series at least jeez.

Worse things have happened to Pakistan cricket.
 
Lol at seeing all the buttering tweets from fellow Pakistani Cricketers. It was natural and expected when a head coach is also the chief selector.
 
Not sure how this will turn out but unlike others I’ll hold my friggin horses in saying this move will result in failure. PCB is implementing out of the box solution....it might be what we needed
 
Pakistan's Decline to Minnow Status Incoming.

Wasim Khan isn't the saviour we hoped for.

Remember when Misbah lovers used to tell us that once Misbah leaves Pak won't be able to score 150-200..... the reality was after Misbah's departure the complexion of the Pakistani batting lineup changed and we went from being a side that struggled to reach 300, to a side that did so regularly infact we were at number 3 or 4 on the list of the sides that reached 300 most often.
 
Remember when Misbah lovers used to tell us that once Misbah leaves Pak won't be able to score 150-200..... the reality was after Misbah's departure the complexion of the Pakistani batting lineup changed and we went from being a side that struggled to reach 300, to a side that did so regularly infact we were at number 3 or 4 on the list of the sides that reached 300 most often.

Mickey Arthur will be remembered.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congratulations to <a href="https://twitter.com/captainmisbahpk?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@captainmisbahpk</a> for the new 'dual' role of Head Coach as well as Chief Selector for Pakistan Cricket Team. <br>I am surprised he is not appointed the Chairman PCB as well along with it. <br><br>Hahahaha<br><br>i am just kidding. I really hope he does wonders like before :)</p>— Shoaib Akhtar (@shoaib100mph) <a href="https://twitter.com/shoaib100mph/status/1169256895829463041?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Many thanks to everyone for the best wishes.Need your prayers and moral support to fulfill a huge responsibility.May Allah give me strength to do justice to this new role. Thanks <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealPCB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealPCB</a> for showing confidence in me.</p>— Misbah Ul Haq (@captainmisbahpk) <a href="https://twitter.com/captainmisbahpk/status/1169252287413460992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2019</a></blockquote>
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This is a genuine question to all these people who are angry at Misbah's appointment: *Can Pakistani team go lower than their current situation?*

We are an atrocious ODI team and in tests visitors are beating us in UAE... I don't think we can get any worse than that. (T20Is are a joke and rankings are absurd).

Misbah strongly criticized Shaheen Shah's selection in world cup and he was proven wrong... Knowing Misbah, I am sure he learned from this experience and he will choose balanced (Youth/experienced™) squads.

All I want Misbah/Waqar to focus on is: the test championship and the next world cup.

"Pakistan cricket is dead" ha ha ha. Cry me a river. We are already bottom ranked! :facepalm: No one wants to play in Pakistan. So we can't die twice...

Things will only improve from such abysmal state, Insha Allah!

PS: PCB is more independent than ever without any external political interventions :ik
 
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This is a genuine question to all these people who are angry at Misbah's appointment: *Can Pakistani team go lower than their current situation?*

We are an atrocious ODI team and in tests visitors are beating us in UAE... I don't think we can get any worse than that. (T20Is are a joke and rankings are absurd).

Misbah strongly criticized Shaheen Shah's selection in world cup and he was proven wrong... Knowing Misbah, I am sure he learned from this experience and he will choose balanced (Youth/experienced™) squads.

All I want Misbah/Waqar to focus on is: the test championship and the next world cup.

"Pakistan cricket is dead" ha ha ha. Cry me a river. We are already bottom ranked! :facepalm: No one wants to play in Pakistan. So we can't die twice...

Things will only improve from such abysmal state, Insha Allah!

PS: PCB is more independent than ever without any external political interventions :ik

Yes we were even lower when Misbah was our captain in odi's. Used to struggle to score 250. Now we are past that.
 
What track record does Misbah have with selection and coaching?

This is international cricket not gully domestic match.

Poor decision and a purely financial one.

Pakistan cricket is not really at the same level as other more professional organisations in other countries, so perhaps a local coach who understands the simple minded approach to everything in Pakistan is better suited.

When the first class game over there becomes more professional, so will the players and coaches.
 
Remember when Misbah lovers used to tell us that once Misbah leaves Pak won't be able to score 150-200..... the reality was after Misbah's departure the complexion of the Pakistani batting lineup changed and we went from being a side that struggled to reach 300, to a side that did so regularly infact we were at number 3 or 4 on the list of the sides that reached 300 most often.

In fact one of Misbah's staunchest supporters also made the same argument during the WC. He claimed if Misbah wasn't in the team we'd be bowled out for 130-150, but his hero had left ODIs.

Sarfraz has has faults but I will take him as captain of the ODI team over Misbah in a heartbeat. Both of them have led a Pakistan team in a CT held in England, Sarfraz brought the trophy the home, whereas the Misbah came away empty handed having lost every game! Not to forget his team featured Imran Farhat of all players :))

Sarfraz's Pakistan in the 2019 WC were a far better team than the one we saw under Misbah in the 2015 edition of the tournament.

Although I don't want Sarfraz continuing as captain, but if he is to be persisted it's imperative for the greater good of Pakistan cricket, he doesn't bow down to Misbah's outdated and defensive brand of cricket.
 
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Of late this guy has been cringe but this is a fitting joke from Shoaib.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealPCB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealPCB</a> big risk with a headcoach with no coaching experience, allowing him to coach other tournaments for experience. Interesting move. Mishba great captain, but feel he should have been made to coach 1st class teams or be an international assistant 1st. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/firsttime?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#firsttime</a></p>— Brad Hogg (@Brad_Hogg) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brad_Hogg/status/1169278558784483329?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Unbelievable decision. Our ODI team was at its lowest during Misbah's tenure and he gets unprecedented power. Both of Waqar's stints as coach were failures with favoritism and infighting and he gets made the coach again.

PCB talks about accountability but has given key roles to two individuals who are proven failures.

Truly demoralizing as a fan.
 
With misbah as head coach it wont be long before hafeez is brought in as a specalist batting coach.
 
Excellent decision.

Wasim Khan is a thorough professional and has shown good understanding of not only the game but also our local cricket scene.

Excellent reforms.

Misbah will be a top coach, obviously, but combining the role with chief selector can pay dividends.

I'm just a bit worried for Misbah. He has given us so so so much. Pakistan cricket is in debt to him. Yet there's a troll group that will always hate him.

That hate mongering can start again, even on slightest slip ups.

We had become a team that went on its longest losing streak under Mickey Arthur and in Tests we've forgotten how to even win.

The Misbah hate brigade will want changes and results within days or months.

The dark days of Mickey Arthur will take some time to reverse. These hate mongers do worship Mickey Arthur which is odd, as he's been our worst coach.

And you worship Misbah. Yes we are in debt for him since he has lost us 2 world cups, played his friends, played cheaters, losing to Zimbabwe. Leaving our test team in shambles, Being the worst Odi batsmen we ever produced. Didn't even score an odi hundred after 150 odd odi's. preferring oldies like his age over young players. Benching potentially our best ever batsmen in Babar Azam in PSL. Being appointed without any qualification. Making Haris bat at 7 or 8 below sohail tanvir, criticizing amir in the world cup for no reason while praising rubbish. Shaheen. But, these are not valid concerns which his blind supporters can't come up with an argument or justification so they call us haters. Heck some people are even supporting rahat ali just becuase misbah picked him. As [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] rightly said if misbah plays a 3 legged donkey you will still support his decision. Corrected [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION].
 
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Hogg's point is valid however, in Pakistan there are not many local coaches with experience and exposure to coach a national team (Atleast PCB thinks so). Also Waqar Younis who wasnt a great coach but still has experience of number of years in that regard and has a decent relationship with Misbah so if needed he can give his input as well.
 
Hogg's point is valid however, in Pakistan there are not many local coaches with experience and exposure to coach a national team (Atleast PCB thinks so). Also Waqar Younis who wasnt a great coach but still has experience of number of years in that regard and has a decent relationship with Misbah so if needed he can give his input as well.

Forget national team. There are plenty who atleast have coached in domestics unlike Misbah who hasn't done anything. The Peshawar coach is well educated and has plenty experience in domestics and has done a wonderful job with Peshawar.
 
Forget national team. There are plenty who atleast have coached in domestics unlike Misbah who hasn't done anything. The Peshawar coach is well educated and has plenty experience in domestics and has done a wonderful job with Peshawar.

Totally agreed. Abdul Rehaman, Peshawar's coach has done a tremendous job over the years but unfortunately our previous domestic structure which made people in charge hesitant to select certain performing players because of the known lack of standard it also effected them to value any domestic coach as well.

When we see at NZ and Aus they have coaches coming through a proper system and they trust their system for both players and coaches which wasnt the case in Pakistan. We can only hope this changes with the new domestic structure. Would love to see coaches being developed from 2nd xis and junior level and then progressing to regional level and even to national team.
 
Totally agreed. Abdul Rehaman, Peshawar's coach has done a tremendous job over the years but unfortunately our previous domestic structure which made people in charge hesitant to select certain performing players because of the known lack of standard it also effected them to value any domestic coach as well.

When we see at NZ and Aus they have coaches coming through a proper system and they trust their system for both players and coaches which wasnt the case in Pakistan. We can only hope this changes with the new domestic structure. Would love to see coaches being developed from 2nd xis and junior level and then progressing to regional level and even to national team.

Then he shouldn't have been given a job at all then in QA as a head coach. Lol what an excuse. So based on this they picked a unqualified coach without any experience.
 
Then he shouldn't have been given a job at all then in QA as a head coach. Lol what an excuse. So based on this they picked a unqualified coach without any experience.

Its not an excuse, I am just stating a fact that a system where PCB havent been able to trust players from how can they select coaches from there. If thats not the case and it was so straight forward why havent we seen any good domestic coach being a chance at national setup? Its pretty clear PCB doesnt believe in their own coaches unfortunately which we can only hope improves in future.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] your opinion

Let's be positive here - appointment is made therefore our personal appointment doesn't matter, neither our like or dislike.

At the first sight of PCB's job ad, I felt that they are trying to fit in Misbah, so it's not a surprise for me. The guy at least has great work ethics, may not be as talented as Inzi or Anwar, but no one can deny his passion for the game or his commitment. What I have seen (In many other sports as well), often best coaches are those hard working guys, who couldn't succeed in their career for lack of talent (Or limited success just for the sheer willpower and hard work), but their passion & discipline made them the best coaches around - Sir Alex, Wenger, Klopp, Jo Mou, Shankley, Rafa Benitez .... Phil Jackson, Popovich, Bob Woolmer, Blyssis, Hathura, Fletcher, Hesson ..... even Nick Bollettieri was a flop tennis player. Misbah fits into that bill perfectly, on top of that he is educated, polished and extremely articulate - might not be a bad pick.

Also, I think there has been lots of negativity among PAK ranks all through regarding Foreign coach, therefore PCB & particularly Wasim Khan decided to try their luck with a local guy. PCB's ad was placed in a way that no prominent (foreign) name would apply - among local applicants, or possible candidates, I do think Misbah is the best. At least, he has the education to put a strategy into action.

I know, it's not a popular choice and Misbah's credentials as player/captain doesn't encourage much, but as I understand, within the criteria, he is the best possible choice.
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Let's be positive here - appointment is made therefore our personal appointment doesn't matter, neither our like or dislike.

At the first sight of PCB's job ad, I felt that they are trying to fit in Misbah, so it's not a surprise for me. The guy at least has great work ethics, may not be as talented as Inzi or Anwar, but no one can deny his passion for the game or his commitment. What I have seen (In many other sports as well), often best coaches are those hard working guys, who couldn't succeed in their career for lack of talent (Or limited success just for the sheer willpower and hard work), but their passion & discipline made them the best coaches around - Sir Alex, Wenger, Klopp, Jo Mou, Shankley, Rafa Benitez .... Phil Jackson, Popovich, Bob Woolmer, Blyssis, Hathura, Fletcher, Hesson ..... even Nick Bollettieri was a flop tennis player. Misbah fits into that bill perfectly, on top of that he is educated, polished and extremely articulate - might not be a bad pick.

Also, I think there has been lots of negativity among PAK ranks all through regarding Foreign coach, therefore PCB & particularly Wasim Khan decided to try their luck with a local guy. PCB's ad was placed in a way that no prominent (foreign) name would apply - among local applicants, or possible candidates, I do think Misbah is the best. At least, he has the education to put a strategy into action.

I know, it's not a popular choice and Misbah's credentials as player/captain doesn't encourage much, but as I understand, within the criteria, he is the best possible choice.

[MENTION=139075]Hadi Rizvi[/MENTION]

+1

A great teacher doesn't mean he was a great student.
A great student doesn't mean he will turnout to be a great teacher.
 
Let's be positive here - appointment is made therefore our personal appointment doesn't matter, neither our like or dislike.

At the first sight of PCB's job ad, I felt that they are trying to fit in Misbah, so it's not a surprise for me. The guy at least has great work ethics, may not be as talented as Inzi or Anwar, but no one can deny his passion for the game or his commitment. What I have seen (In many other sports as well), often best coaches are those hard working guys, who couldn't succeed in their career for lack of talent (Or limited success just for the sheer willpower and hard work), but their passion & discipline made them the best coaches around - Sir Alex, Wenger, Klopp, Jo Mou, Shankley, Rafa Benitez .... Phil Jackson, Popovich, Bob Woolmer, Blyssis, Hathura, Fletcher, Hesson ..... even Nick Bollettieri was a flop tennis player. Misbah fits into that bill perfectly, on top of that he is educated, polished and extremely articulate - might not be a bad pick.

Also, I think there has been lots of negativity among PAK ranks all through regarding Foreign coach, therefore PCB & particularly Wasim Khan decided to try their luck with a local guy. PCB's ad was placed in a way that no prominent (foreign) name would apply - among local applicants, or possible candidates, I do think Misbah is the best. At least, he has the education to put a strategy into action.

I know, it's not a popular choice and Misbah's credentials as player/captain doesn't encourage much, but as I understand, within the criteria, he is the best possible choice.

[MENTION=139075]Hadi Rizvi[/MENTION]

Looking at Misbah's career as a player and as captain, one thing was very obvious, he always was a very selfish player and captain putting his personal interest ahead of teams interest, whether its matter of retirement or team selection. This particular "quality" of Misbah worries me the most.

But for me Pakistan and Pakistan team comes first, not the personalities. If Misbah brings out some positive changes in Pakistan team and Pakistan cricket in general,I will be the first one to applaud that. I'm not hopeful but would love be proven wrong.
 
[MENTION=41587]Theo_14[/MENTION]

We’ve seen pathetic footballers become good coaches.
Still not a relevant argument. You said something like this before too. I think nobody corrected you simply because of how silly that sounds in the first place, which you misinterpreted as proving that your point was solid. It is not.


What makes you believe Misbah will implement defensive tactics?
They way he batted, the way he captained and the way he did his analysis. Basically his nature is that of a defensive player and that will reflect in everything he does.

And attacking mindset starts as a philosophy and is cultivated over through expressing it in difficult situations - it doesn't just happen overnight. Misbah has no attacking ability of initiative and that won't change suddenly.

The only reason he is even forced to say this is because everyone knows how defensive he is, so this is to try and address the major concerns. These words mean nothing.

Wasim Khan has brought in a whole new structure in terms of domestic
That new structure was 100% the work of Imran Khan.

Also, I've seen you defend Misbah quite a bit over the last few months, and quite illogically too. I don't know why you love him so much, but I hope you enjoy the embarrassment that Pakistan Cricket will continue to accumulate - now with attacking mindset Misbah alongside attacking mindset Sarfaraz.
 
Misbah knows how to win Tests. So that's good.

But what I am afraid of is that he and Waqar will be captains by proxy - that would not help the onfield captain

On field captain is pretty much the worst in international cricket right now. It doesn't get worse than him, so there's not much to lose there.
 
Very disappointed.. as a Pakistani I wish lots of luck to them but very very disappointed with the decision and also the lack of professionalism shown as a whole in this process..
 
Let's be positive here - appointment is made therefore our personal appointment doesn't matter, neither our like or dislike.

At the first sight of PCB's job ad, I felt that they are trying to fit in Misbah, so it's not a surprise for me. The guy at least has great work ethics, may not be as talented as Inzi or Anwar, but no one can deny his passion for the game or his commitment. What I have seen (In many other sports as well), often best coaches are those hard working guys, who couldn't succeed in their career for lack of talent (Or limited success just for the sheer willpower and hard work), but their passion & discipline made them the best coaches around - Sir Alex, Wenger, Klopp, Jo Mou, Shankley, Rafa Benitez .... Phil Jackson, Popovich, Bob Woolmer, Blyssis, Hathura, Fletcher, Hesson ..... even Nick Bollettieri was a flop tennis player. Misbah fits into that bill perfectly, on top of that he is educated, polished and extremely articulate - might not be a bad pick.

Also, I think there has been lots of negativity among PAK ranks all through regarding Foreign coach, therefore PCB & particularly Wasim Khan decided to try their luck with a local guy. PCB's ad was placed in a way that no prominent (foreign) name would apply - among local applicants, or possible candidates, I do think Misbah is the best. At least, he has the education to put a strategy into action.

I know, it's not a popular choice and Misbah's credentials as player/captain doesn't encourage much, but as I understand, within the criteria, he is the best possible choice.

[MENTION=139075]Hadi Rizvi[/MENTION]

Alex Ferguson - 12 years of experience before joining Man Utd
Arsene Wenger - 12 years of experience before joining Arsenal
Jurgen Klopp - 7 years of experience before joining Borussia Dortmund
Jose Mourinho - 10 years of coaching + assistant managerial experience before joining Benfica
Bill Shankley - 11 years of experience before joining Liverpool
Rafa Benitez - 15 years of experience before joining Valencia
Phil Jackson - 5 years of experience before joining the NBA
Gregg Popovich - 23 years of experience before becoming an NBA head coach
Bob Woolmer - 10 years of experience before joining South Africa
Trevor Bayliss - 4 years of experience before joining Sri Lanka
Upul Chandika Hathurusingha - 4 years of experience before joining Bangladesh
Duncan Fletcher - 3 years of experience before joining England
Mike Hesson - 14 years of experience before joining NZ
Nick Bollettieri - 10+ years of experience before opening the heralded NBTA

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Misbah ul Haq - Inexperienced
 
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What I find bizarre is that Misbah is being paid $240,000 plus per annum for these two roles which works out to Rs 3.2 million a month.

Younis Khan requested the PCB to make him the U19, A team coach along with Chief Selector and wanted a remuneration of Rs 1.5 million but the PCB refused to oblige him.

I have to demand an investigation into Misbah ul Haqs connections. I refuse to believe he does not have the backing of an extremely powerful, influential person. You cannot survive in Pakistan without a powerful source, contact
 
What I find bizarre is that Misbah is being paid $240,000 plus per annum for these two roles which works out to Rs 3.2 million a month.

Younis Khan requested the PCB to make him the U19, A team coach along with Chief Selector and wanted a remuneration of Rs 1.5 million but the PCB refused to oblige him.

I have to demand an investigation into Misbah ul Haqs connections. I refuse to believe he does not have the backing of an extremely powerful, influential person. You cannot survive in Pakistan without a powerful source, contact

Valid points which you have raised.

Why didn’t they pay that much for Younis Khan?

Makes you really wonder that Misbah has a loads of “unknown” backing.
 
Hope Younus is added to the staff as a batting consultant for the Tests. It's the format which has some serious batting issues.

Younus was great against spin and did well outside Asia as well.
 
I feel Mickey Arthur should have been given these powers.
After his team selection we will know if Misbah is any good, if he chooses the same old failures then
Wasim Khan is off to a really bad start, much worse then I was expecting.

Waqar is a proven failure when it comes to coaching,
so really disappointed with his selection. If only he could be a good coach like he was a player.

Overall I feel next year Pakistan will be choosing another coach and selector. So disappointed.
 
I feel Mickey Arthur should have been given these powers.
After his team selection we will know if Misbah is any good, if he chooses the same old failures then
Wasim Khan is off to a really bad start, much worse then I was expecting.

Waqar is a proven failure when it comes to coaching,
so really disappointed with his selection. If only he could be a good coach like he was a player.

Overall I feel next year Pakistan will be choosing another coach and selector. So disappointed.

Mickey Arthur already had these powers. He would over rule Sarfaraz and Inzamam on selections. Azhar Mahmood, the teams bowling coach confirmed it who himself was frustrated that Mickey did not pay attention to his suggestions.

An important pre requisite for the CS role is Knowledge of domestic players which Mickey would be zero in, atleast Misbah scores highly in that regard
 
Still not a relevant argument. You said something like this before too. I think nobody corrected you simply because of how silly that sounds in the first place, which you misinterpreted as proving that your point was solid. It is not.

And yet you have decided to quote me without actually providing credible reasons as to why I should be corrected and what the actual correction is.

I'll keep it simple and sweet - what you see as irrelevant... is what you see as irrelevant. I don't plan to change that.

You can call me a Misbah supporter or a fan who has simply moved on from wrist slitting and being critical of changes/implementations. I intend to judge through assessments so let's see what happens in Misbah's tenure - I have no reason to be critical yet; although Misbah should not be managing a PSL side due to conflict of interest.

Otherwise, I thank you for assessing my posts so closely over the past few months - glad to have finally noticed you too. :)
 
Big challenge for Misbah. All the best to him.

As your a BD fan I'd like to hear from an outsiders perspective? Do you think this is good choice? I think Misbah would be an upgrade over Mickey since Misbah knows the domestic scene well and is much better in Tests, especially with the World test championship coming up
 
Alex Ferguson - 12 years of experience before joining Man Utd
Arsene Wenger - 12 years of experience before joining Arsenal
Jurgen Klopp - 7 years of experience before joining Borussia Dortmund
Jose Mourinho - 10 years of coaching + assistant managerial experience before joining Benfica
Bill Shankley - 11 years of experience before joining Liverpool
Rafa Benitez - 15 years of experience before joining Valencia
Phil Jackson - 5 years of experience before joining the NBA
Gregg Popovich - 23 years of experience before becoming an NBA head coach
Bob Woolmer - 10 years of experience before joining South Africa
Trevor Bayliss - 4 years of experience before joining Sri Lanka
Upul Chandika Hathurusingha - 4 years of experience before joining Bangladesh
Duncan Fletcher - 3 years of experience before joining England
Mike Hesson - 14 years of experience before joining NZ
Nick Bollettieri - 10+ years of experience before opening the heralded NBTA

...

Misbah ul Haq - Inexperienced

I understand from where you are coming, but your premises is wrong. What you have put here is the zenith of most of these Managers, Coaches and then figured out how much experience they carried into that job. That actually doesn't tell the full story. For example, take Sir Alex - he won a Scottish 1st Division title over Celtic & Rangers in his 2nd-3rd year for St. Mirren!!!! Then, 8 glorious years at Aberdeen, in between he took Scotland to 1986 WC. His first 6 years at MU actually almost ended in sacking. Wenger won League 1 as early as 1987, J Mou was the assistant to Sir Bobby at Barca at the age of 25-26 ... before CFC, he won an CL with Porto!!! Bolletieri was a Director of a Tennis club for 12 years before opening NBTA ......

The point is, somewhere you have to start and since PCB was adamant to hire a local coach, I do think Misbah is far better than other usual options. Javed was made Coach within 2 years of retirement and I am sure in that scale Misbah will do better.

In cricket, Coach's role is exaggerated - HC's role is even more because he is basically a Manager of the squad. More than HC, I am interested about the Specialist Coaching staffs because that's where skill improvement is involved. WY is quite decent fast bowling coach (much better than WY as HC), they need a top quality spin coach and MUST - a pro batting Coach. Then, Misbah's role will be a Resource Manager, where he'll use the Coaching staffs and analysts to execute strategy and players' skill development projects - I back him to do that better than MHK or Javed Miandad. Above all, PCB must appoint a capable Captain with full command - Misbah might not be the best Coach, but he was a respected Captain and quite successful one, he can groom PAK Captain as well.

Last, but not the least - I read lot about Misbah's negative tactics as Captain. Don't read much into that - first, as HC he can hardly influence on field tactics if Captain is capable one. Second, Misbah's PAK played most games in UAE & similar wickets in SRL, WIN - places where you have to play dull cricket to be successful and he was damn successful in those conditions. I read lot about this AUS tour - but that guy was playing/leading first time in AUS, and many Captains have made mistakes there. Just like opening with Yasir Shah, I can recall one English Captain fielding 4 pacers in India - to me, equal level of stupidity.


[MENTION=141839]moghul[/MENTION]
Very good point - Misbah was selfish. He covered his a$$ with trusted players around, he protected his safety first tactics by playing negative cricket, he picked experienced/old players because it's always easier to manage seasoned campaigners .... and, he prolonged his career too long (though he was performing, but lots of performing players had retired at the right age). But, bro - you are missing the key point here : A Selfish player/Captain Misbah didn't help PCT in much, but as a HC - I want him to be selfish. As long as his employers are fair, a selfish Misbah must deliver as Coach to keep his job, and I do believe he is intelligent enough to find out the way to deliver (acceptably) with his support staffs.

Not saying, I am sure Misbah will deliver, but what other options do we have, if PCB is hell bent for a local coach? Best case is Misbah becomes a successful coach and take PAK to 2023 WC, may be even 2027 .... worst case is PCT's performance forces PCB to sack Misbah within a year or two - still some progress in a sense that next time PCB can appoint a top foreign pro and it won't raise mayhem in PAK Cricket circles.
 
As your a BD fan I'd like to hear from an outsiders perspective? Do you think this is good choice? I think Misbah would be an upgrade over Mickey since Misbah knows the domestic scene well and is much better in Tests, especially with the World test championship coming up

I was a big fan of Misbah's personality. He was never involved in any drama and I think he did fine as Test captain. Pakistan never lost a home series under him and became #1 in Test.

His only weakness was he was defensive at times.

It is a bit early to say if he would be a good coach as he never coached an international side before. Let's see what happens. He definitely knows the domestic scene better than any foreign coach.
 
Alex Ferguson - 12 years of experience before joining Man Utd
Arsene Wenger - 12 years of experience before joining Arsenal
Jurgen Klopp - 7 years of experience before joining Borussia Dortmund
Jose Mourinho - 10 years of coaching + assistant managerial experience before joining Benfica
Bill Shankley - 11 years of experience before joining Liverpool
Rafa Benitez - 15 years of experience before joining Valencia
Phil Jackson - 5 years of experience before joining the NBA
Gregg Popovich - 23 years of experience before becoming an NBA head coach
Bob Woolmer - 10 years of experience before joining South Africa
Trevor Bayliss - 4 years of experience before joining Sri Lanka
Upul Chandika Hathurusingha - 4 years of experience before joining Bangladesh
Duncan Fletcher - 3 years of experience before joining England
Mike Hesson - 14 years of experience before joining NZ
Nick Bollettieri - 10+ years of experience before opening the heralded NBTA

...

Misbah ul Haq - Inexperienced


Fair point.

A good list must admit but you've failed to mention likes of Carlos Alberto and AVB who had no footballing experience; in other words no experience of 10-15 years of playing football, understanding the tactical side... That is huge when put into context.

Furthermore, majority of the coaches you have listed never played top level football - if anything they studied the game before joining small or big clubs. Remember the criticism Wenger faced in 1996?

Whereas Misbah actually has played top level cricket for decades - knows the domestic side of the game inside out - he was the captain who led the transition during the dark period of Pakistan post 2011. Also we only just found out but he obtained coaching qualifications in Pakistan and with ECB; along with shadowing/being alongside coaches whilst he was captain.

I completely understand when [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] states that in this situation experience really isn't one of the main components.

Look I have my concerns about conflict of interest and I judge through evidence - I will judge Emery this season after giving him a year to adjust - I will judge Misbah once he adjusts, but judging and wrist slitting before allowing him to prove his case? Nah that is not the way.

I will leave this quote:

"A jockey doesn't have to have been born a horse."
 
Some posters on this thread show their true jahil uneducated mentality.

Misbah, I am not saying he will be the savior to PCT problems, but the guy hasn’t even started his first assignment yet and the knives are already out.

Typical jahil mentality. Judge the guy after a few series. Not now!

Support him, when he needs the most, not put him down.

How he played his cricket has got nothing to do how he will coach and or select player. He is fully responsible and I am sure he is aware of it.

Give the guy a chance, jeez!!!
 
Ifti chacha, Hafeez, Sarfraz, Asad, Azhar, Rafatullah Mohmand etc will be over joyed at this appointment.
 
Some posters on this thread show their true jahil uneducated mentality.

Misbah, I am not saying he will be the savior to PCT problems, but the guy hasn’t even started his first assignment yet and the knives are already out.

Typical jahil mentality. Judge the guy after a few series. Not now!

Support him, when he needs the most, not put him down.

How he played his cricket has got nothing to do how he will coach and or select player. He is fully responsible and I am sure he is aware of it.

Give the guy a chance, jeez!!!

So he was not fully responsible when he was captain of Pakistan?
 
I understand from where you are coming, but your premises is wrong. What you have put here is the zenith of most of these Managers, Coaches and then figured out how much experience they carried into that job. That actually doesn't tell the full story. For example, take Sir Alex - he won a Scottish 1st Division title over Celtic & Rangers in his 2nd-3rd year for St. Mirren!!!! Then, 8 glorious years at Aberdeen, in between he took Scotland to 1986 WC. His first 6 years at MU actually almost ended in sacking. Wenger won League 1 as early as 1987, J Mou was the assistant to Sir Bobby at Barca at the age of 25-26 ... before CFC, he won an CL with Porto!!! Bolletieri was a Director of a Tennis club for 12 years before opening NBTA ......

The point is, somewhere you have to start and since PCB was adamant to hire a local coach, I do think Misbah is far better than other usual options. Javed was made Coach within 2 years of retirement and I am sure in that scale Misbah will do better.

In cricket, Coach's role is exaggerated - HC's role is even more because he is basically a Manager of the squad. More than HC, I am interested about the Specialist Coaching staffs because that's where skill improvement is involved. WY is quite decent fast bowling coach (much better than WY as HC), they need a top quality spin coach and MUST - a pro batting Coach. Then, Misbah's role will be a Resource Manager, where he'll use the Coaching staffs and analysts to execute strategy and players' skill development projects - I back him to do that better than MHK or Javed Miandad. Above all, PCB must appoint a capable Captain with full command - Misbah might not be the best Coach, but he was a respected Captain and quite successful one, he can groom PAK Captain as well.

Last, but not the least - I read lot about Misbah's negative tactics as Captain. Don't read much into that - first, as HC he can hardly influence on field tactics if Captain is capable one. Second, Misbah's PAK played most games in UAE & similar wickets in SRL, WIN - places where you have to play dull cricket to be successful and he was damn successful in those conditions. I read lot about this AUS tour - but that guy was playing/leading first time in AUS, and many Captains have made mistakes there. Just like opening with Yasir Shah, I can recall one English Captain fielding 4 pacers in India - to me, equal level of stupidity.

The reason I chose those specific teams was because that's the equivalent to what Misbah has been handed. Pakistan is one of the premier coaching jobs in world cricket. There are perhaps 4-5 other jobs better than this.

Like you mentioned, the others did wonders at the lower levels. Misbah has done nothing except get Mickey fired.

I have nothing against Misbah but you can't have a system where the coach is an unmerited hire. Even 1-2 years of professional coaching experience is better than this. It reminds me of Wayne Gretzky getting an NHL coaching job because he's the GOAT in hockey. The man embarrassed himself despite being noted for his once-in-a-lifetime IQ.

I hope Misbah proves me wrong but this hiring has a stink to it that won't go away for a while.
 
I am sure the courts can intervene if someone files a lawsuit given that Misbah got Mickey Arthur fired and then took his job
 
The reason I chose those specific teams was because that's the equivalent to what Misbah has been handed. Pakistan is one of the premier coaching jobs in world cricket. There are perhaps 4-5 other jobs better than this.

Like you mentioned, the others did wonders at the lower levels. Misbah has done nothing except get Mickey fired.

I have nothing against Misbah but you can't have a system where the coach is an unmerited hire. Even 1-2 years of professional coaching experience is better than this. It reminds me of Wayne Gretzky getting an NHL coaching job because he's the GOAT in hockey. The man embarrassed himself despite being noted for his once-in-a-lifetime IQ.

I hope Misbah proves me wrong but this hiring has a stink to it that won't go away for a while.

Give the man a fair chance and don’t kill him before judgement. Misbah didn’t select himself and he is been given utmost power on PAK team, probably at par with Imran at his glory time - I am sure the guy is well aware of the responsibility.

I am sure he’ll give his best effort (which might not be enough), but I can tell you (I have seen him since 2002 and definitely not a fan boy of Misbah the player) that the role profile PCB has given him (Director, PCT), trust me he is the best among Pakistani incumbents. He doesn’t have coaching experience, but he has cricket experience for 3 decades at different level - people like Hesson or Domingo are kids in that scale.

It would have been a disastrous appointment had he been appointed as batting coach, but for a team Director - trust me, he is better pick than than Shastri.
 
Mohsin Khan showed better ethics than Misbah by resigning from the Cricket Committee before applying for the coaching role himself
 
Over the course of history, PCB has taken many illogical and bizzarre decisions but I think this one takes the cake.

Never seen failure rewarded so handsomely. It's more depressing that this has come from a management under Imran Khan's govt. This is more Ijaz Butt-esque
 
Fair point.

A good list must admit but you've failed to mention likes of Carlos Alberto and AVB who had no footballing experience; in other words no experience of 10-15 years of playing football, understanding the tactical side... That is huge when put into context.

Furthermore, majority of the coaches you have listed never played top level football - if anything they studied the game before joining small or big clubs. Remember the criticism Wenger faced in 1996?

Whereas Misbah actually has played top level cricket for decades - knows the domestic side of the game inside out - he was the captain who led the transition during the dark period of Pakistan post 2011. Also we only just found out but he obtained coaching qualifications in Pakistan and with ECB; along with shadowing/being alongside coaches whilst he was captain.

I completely understand when [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] states that in this situation experience really isn't one of the main components.

Look I have my concerns about conflict of interest and I judge through evidence - I will judge Emery this season after giving him a year to adjust - I will judge Misbah once he adjusts, but judging and wrist slitting before allowing him to prove his case? Nah that is not the way.

I will leave this quote:

"A jockey doesn't have to have been born a horse."

I completely understand Misbah's potential but it's about principle.

We (the fans) are hoping for the best by leveraging his cricketing experience/MBA/relationships but that's not how it should be. Coaching demands coaching experience and he has none.
 
Give the man a fair chance and don’t kill him before judgement. Misbah didn’t select himself and he is been given utmost power on PAK team, probably at par with Imran at his glory time - I am sure the guy is well aware of the responsibility.

I am sure he’ll give his best effort (which might not be enough), but I can tell you (I have seen him since 2002 and definitely not a fan boy of Misbah the player) that the role profile PCB has given him (Director, PCT), trust me he is the best among Pakistani incumbents. He doesn’t have coaching experience, but he has cricket experience for 3 decades at different level - people like Hesson or Domingo are kids in that scale.

It would have been a disastrous appointment had he been appointed as batting coach, but for a team Director - trust me, he is better pick than than Shastri.

Let's hope he can pull it off.

The problem with Pakistani cricket is the shortened timeline. Fans/media members are impatient and he's going to take time learning the ropes especially with the added selection responsibilities.

One thing he has going for him is a young squad. He won't have to deal with abrasive personalities in the dressing room unless he brings back some TTFs.
 
I want to criticize a lot but wait and watch is better.I see a total disaster or unprecedented success.Nothing inbetween.Waqar over Azhar will help.Azhar Mehmood was pathetic.But dont know about Misbah.Lets see
 
So lets move on shall we?

This is like the nervous patients looking at a freshly graduated doctor and making a decision that the doctor doesnt know anything.

The moment the patients cough is not relieved within 24 hours, he will make a confirmation bias that " I knew that this young fool was too young to impart me anything good".

More than the appointment, crowds of people have already "pre emptively" decided that "he is useless because he was useless as a cricketer" (ad addendum: the doctor is useless because he didnt top medical school).

What is going to be even more hilarious is when we lose and the crowds that are just waiting for it to happen go berserk with their "confirmation bias" and say "I told u so".

This judgmental attitude is seen in 90 percent of the people because they dont want to think or perhaps they are incapable of calculating anything related to their personal likes and dislikes.

Misbah will need time to establish his results and what I fear is that PCB will succumb to "immediate results theory".

What is good about Misbah is that he doesnt get "affected by criticism too much". He will keep on plodding and trying to do the best he can and that works for me.

Some things just take time.

No matter how many times you consummate your marriage, the baby will take 09 months to be born.

Learn from it.
 
60%+ people here have already brought out the knives.. I think misbah+Waqar+Fielding/batting coach will be a good combination.
 
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