Misbah-ul-Haq captaincy vibes all over this series defeat

[omairsiddiqui]

It feels like all the hard work that had been done over three years of T20 dominance has gone to complete waste. All three chases in this series felt like we were back to the Misbah era of going ultra-conservative at the fall of the wicket and then gradually losing all momentum from there.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it, Misbah.

 

[coy0607]

tuk tuk till the last 5 overs, then collapse

 

[daytrader]

So are we blaming Haris and Babar for tuk tucking?

 

[HasanA]

Sarfraz even more incompetent than before
Amir going for very high RPO than before
Babar losing his touch
Umar Akmal
Ahmad Shahzad


ALL immediately after Misbah takes over
he needs to GO

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Even bowling has become toothless.

Dark dark days for this team.

Misbah time to man up and face the deserved criticism.

 

[saeed5646]

He tried to prove mickey arthur wrong by giving chance to umar akmal and ahemd shehzad but that blunder have backfired and has cost pakistan embarrassing against sl b

 

[Shazzam]

Relax its just twenty20 it does not matter. Tests is all that matters. As long as Misbah makes us a number one test team what more can a fan ask for?

 

[coy0607]

So are we blaming Haris and Babar for tuk tucking?

between Babar, Haris, and Safraz - they played 16+ overs at rpo below 6 - they played slowly because you have 'big hitters' Fakhar, Asif, Ifthikar, Imad to make up

I don't know who blame at this point - they wen't from a T20 powerhouse to absolute minnows in 3 games

 

[Savak]

between Babar, Haris, and Safraz - they played 16+ overs at rpo below 6 - they played slowly because you have 'big hitters' Fakhar, Asif, Ifthikar, Imad to make up

I don't know who blame at this point - they wen't from a T20 powerhouse to absolute minnows in 3 games

Players like Asif, Iftikhar, Imad cannot hit from the get go on pitches where the ball does not come on to the bat. On English wickets where England were comfortably chasing 350 runs in 45 overs, Asif was hitting 50's of 20 something deliveries. He cannot hit from the get go on slow and low pitches. The batting strategy was flawed or the bowlers once again conceeded far too many runs.

 

[coy0607]

Players like Asif, Iftikhar, Imad cannot hit from the get go on pitches where the ball does not come on to the bat. On English wickets where England were comfortably chasing 350 runs in 45 overs, Asif was hitting 50's of 20 something deliveries. He cannot hit from the get go on slow and low pitches. The batting strategy was flawed or the bowlers once again conceeded far too many runs.

this is a T20, if you can't hit from the get go then what are we even doing here?
quality hitters can hit anywhere - Iftikhar showed that (briefly) in this match

 

[ask_analyse_act]

He tried to prove mickey arthur wrong by giving chance to umar akmal and ahemd shehzad but that blunder have backfired and has cost pakistan embarrassing against sl b

That shows the difference between him an experienced MA.

 

[ahmedzee]

Misbah should be out as selector and coach. As a selector he brings the failures. As a coach he is bringing tuk tuk back. I agree with OP, it is misbah’s limited over captaincy all over again.

 

[The_Odd_One]

No, it has Sarfraz Ahmed's captaincy vibes all over it. Pakistani fans have a memory of a goldfish. Just this year, the same team had a 14-match long losing streak.

Last few World cup games were an anomaly. The team has gone back to its usual mediocrity. This team will be blanked by all elite teams and beaten by minnow teams under even a little bit of pressure.

 

[Syed1]

Thank you Misbah.... We will be forever indebted to you

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

No, it has Sarfraz Ahmed's captaincy vibes all over it. Pakistani fans have a memory of a goldfish. Just this year, the same team had a 14-match long losing streak.

Last few World cup games were an anomaly. The team has gone back to its usual mediocrity. This team will be blanked by all elite teams and beaten by minnow teams under even a little bit of pressure.

Don't know what you're smoking but that streak was in ODIs.
We've been phenomenal in T20Is under Sarfraz.
You just can't handle the fact that Misbah has undone all of the good work since WT20 2016.

Also Sarfraz has won a WC as a captain when he was a teenager so he knows more than a few things about captaincy than you do.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Relax its just twenty20 it does not matter. Tests is all that matters. As long as Misbah makes us a number one test team what more can a fan ask for?

More people care about limited overs than tests.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

I called this the day Misbah was hired

We're back to Misbah Era dark days of 2012-2015

 

[blackanhyellow]

No, it has Sarfraz Ahmed's captaincy vibes all over it. Pakistani fans have a memory of a goldfish. Just this year, the same team had a 14-match long losing streak.

Last few World cup games were an anomaly. The team has gone back to its usual mediocrity. This team will be blanked by all elite teams and beaten by minnow teams under even a little bit of pressure.

Tbf the t20 team was settled and should not have been tinkered with other than maybe trying different spinners in place of shadab.

We have a world cup coming up, cant afford to lose players confidence or make them insecure about their places in the team.

 

[Shazzam]

More people care about limited overs than tests.

I know I was putting these excuses out there to save some the trouble.

 

[Asif321]

i been telling again and again
Micky and Sarfraz combo was best because both are similar type of personalities and know how to get team ready for battle . with misbah and waqar in dressing room you get all the negativity of past . it was horrible decision to appoint msibah and waqar .im afraid this team will be humiliated till these both are there.
Sarfraz will lose captaincy and then babar will be captain and he will succumb underpressure and performance will be low

 

[The_Odd_One]

Don't know what you're smoking but that streak was in ODIs.
We've been phenomenal in T20Is under Sarfraz.
You just can't handle the fact that Misbah has undone all of the good work since WT20 2016.

Also Sarfraz has won a WC as a captain when he was a teenager so he knows more than a few things about captaincy than you do.

Sarfraz, Fakhar, Asif, Shadab, etc. have been mediocre for a very long time. How can you put it on Misbah?

Pakistan lost to South Africa B in T-20s. They lost a T-20 to retired world XI at home due to Amla's heroics. Yet, Pakistani fans were under the delusion that Pakistan was a dominating T-20 team.

 

[Shazzam]

Sarfraz, Fakhar, Asif, Shadab, etc. have been mediocre for a very long time. How can you put it on Misbah?

Pakistan lost to South Africa B in T-20s. They lost a T-20 to retired world XI at home due to Amla's heroics. Yet, Pakistani fans were under the delusion that Pakistan was a dominating T-20 team.

Ok these are bad players who do you recommend joins the team?

 

[The_Odd_One]

Tbf the t20 team was settled and should not have been tinkered with other than maybe trying different spinners in place of shadab.

We have a world cup coming up, cant afford to lose players confidence or make them insecure about their places in the team.

You do not need a settled T-20 team. Bilateral T-20s have no significance. Once, Malik and Hafeez were dropped, it was understandable to try Akmal and Shehzad in their place for the world T-20.

Let's not forget that Shehzad had a good PSL and Akmal was in good touch overall.

 

[saeed5646]

Sarfraz, Fakhar, Asif, Shadab, etc. have been mediocre for a very long time. How can you put it on Misbah?

Pakistan lost to South Africa B in T-20s. They lost a T-20 to retired world XI at home due to Amla's heroics. Yet, Pakistani fans were under the delusion that Pakistan was a dominating T-20 team.

Hello do you know background of asif butler ali .He is product of misbah who rated him back in 2010 and persisted with him first class even with batting average of 17 so stop your one side of baised

blame the coach+selector+batting coach who give him 3rd t20 when he already failed miserably in first 2

 

[Shazzam]

You do not need a settled T-20 team. Bilateral T-20s have no significance. Once, Malik and Hafeez were dropped, it was understandable to try Akmal and Shehzad in their place for the world T-20.

Let's not forget that Shehzad had a good PSL and Akmal was in good touch overall.

True we needed players worser than them to make us miss them again.

 

[unemployedgm]

You do not need a settled T-20 team. Bilateral T-20s have no significance. Once, Malik and Hafeez were dropped, it was understandable to try Akmal and Shehzad in their place for the world T-20.

Let's not forget that Shehzad had a good PSL and Akmal was in good touch overall.

Are Shehzad and Akmal the only players who had a good PSL? Why are they always the first to return? If only the numbers matter, than Kamran Akmal had a better PSL than both of them.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Ok these are bad players who do you recommend joins the team?

Rizwan over Sarfraz
Sharjeel over Fakhar
Shaheen over Wahab
Gohar over Shadab

Even the improved team will get blanked by India, England, Australia, South Africa, and New Zealand, etc. This does not mean that they should not replace the mediocrity that Pakistani team has been carrying since the CT.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Are Shehzad and Akmal the only players who had a good PSL? Why are they always the first to return? If only the numbers matter, than Kamran Akmal had a better PSL than both of them.

Because the method of fast tracking players from PSL to Pakistan team has failed big time. The unknown entities are no better than the known ones. Besides, Misbah had to start from somewhere. Now that, both have failed, they have killed their chances to get selected for the world T-20.

 

[Shazzam]

Rizwan over Sarfraz
Sharjeel over Fakhar
Shaheen over Wahab
Gohar over Shadab

Even the improved team will get blanked by India, England, Australia, South Africa, and New Zealand, etc. This does not mean that they should not replace the mediocrity that Pakistani team has been carrying since the CT.

But why would the improved team lose to the big teams if these players you mentioned are better? And who will be captain of this new team? Do you feel Babar is ready.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Hello do you know background of asif butler ali .He is product of misbah who rated him back in 2010 and persisted with him first class even with batting average of 17 so stop your one side of baised

blame the coach+selector+batting coach who give him 3rd t20 when he already failed miserably in first 2

Did Misbah select him for the ODI world cup? Did Misbah play Asif in the SA T-20 series?

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Sarfraz, Fakhar, Asif, Shadab, etc. have been mediocre for a very long time. How can you put it on Misbah?

Pakistan lost to South Africa B in T-20s. They lost a T-20 to retired world XI at home due to Amla's heroics. Yet, Pakistani fans were under the delusion that Pakistan was a dominating T-20 team.

Ok fine, even if I accept that they were mediocre, why didn't Misbah drop atleast one of them?

Why drop Malik, who was doing just fine at 4/5?

Why pick Shehzad/Akmal who are the definition of TTFs.

Khurram Manzoor is a domestic legend yet we never hear any cries for him to be selected.

You can count the losses on your fingers. They are that low.
Good opposition or not we had a win % of 80% with "mediocre" players.

You can fluke it once or twice not 11 times out of 13.

 

[Shazzam]

Now that, both have failed, they have killed their chances to get selected for the world T-20.

Not really. I bet these same players will return for world T-20. Misbah picked them cause he felt they have potential to play in this format. It would be uncharacteristic of him to stop supporting them after this series loss.

 

[The_Odd_One]

But why would the improved team lose to the big teams if these players you mentioned are better? And who will be captain of this new team? Do you feel Babar is ready.

Because Pakistani players are simply not good enough to compete with top teams. The team which did not have Sarfraz and Hafeez was still whitewashed by Australia C.

At this point, you can make anyone captain and it will still be an upgrade over Sarfraz.

 

[Mercurial]

Rizwan over Sarfraz
Sharjeel over Fakhar
Shaheen over Wahab
Gohar over Shadab

Even the improved team will get blanked by India, England, Australia, South Africa, and New Zealand, etc. This does not mean that they should not replace the mediocrity that Pakistani team has been carrying since the CT.

I would stick with Fakhar till the T20I WC.

 

[saeed5646]

Did Misbah select him for the ODI world cup? Did Misbah play Asif in the SA T-20 series?

Talk about changing the topic
Doesn't that mean due to poor worldcup and sa tour asif ali shouldn't be picked for sl series ?Can you guess the selector who persisted with him all three matches when he miserably failed in first 2?


Btw Never said he should have been there .only pointed out the irony of misbah fanby criticizing asif ali selection when misbah is one of his best mentor to work with and still giving him favors

 

[The_Odd_One]

Ok fine, even if I accept that they were mediocre, why didn't Misbah drop atleast one of them?

Why drop Malik, who was doing just fine at 4/5?

Why pick Shehzad/Akmal who are the definition of TTFs.

Khurram Manzoor is a domestic legend yet we never hear any cries for him to be selected.

You can count the losses on your fingers. They are that low.
Good opposition or not we had a win % of 80% with "mediocre" players.

You can fluke it once or twice not 11 times out of 13.

Malik is 37+ who could not cross single digit scores in ODI world cup. On what logic, should be he be selected when the next world T-20 will be played in Australia?

Ignoring this series, Akmal has been one of the better batsmen for Pakistan in the T-20s. It is funny how the same people who wanted to select him for the ODI world cup are now opposing his selection in T-20s.

Since, you mentioned Khurram Manzoor, he was never a renowned T-20 player. He does not even play the PSL for any team. Shehzad had a good PSL, has a T-20 century against New Zealand, and has the ability to hit sixes. Both of them are also in the right age group. Their selection made sense over someone like Khurram Manzoor.

 

[blackanhyellow]

You do not need a settled T-20 team. Bilateral T-20s have no significance. Once, Malik and Hafeez were dropped, it was understandable to try Akmal and Shehzad in their place for the world T-20.

Let's not forget that Shehzad had a good PSL and Akmal was in good touch overall.

Those 2 players have been blessed to have many opportunities for international team through all formats. When will selectors realize that some players will just always be domestic bullies. These players dont have what it takes for the next step.

Yes domestic performers should be rewarded for performing. But at some point need to cut your losses and say enough opportunities have been given.

Ahmed shehzad is this generation's imran farhat.

 

[Shazzam]

Because Pakistani players are simply not good enough to compete with top teams. The team which did not have Sarfraz and Hafeez was still whitewashed by Australia C.

At this point, you can make anyone captain and it will still be an upgrade over Sarfraz.

How will it be a upgrade if we are simply not good enough? My point is no matter what captain you have this team will remain this bad unless you get a management that knows how to get the best out of these players. I do not think its a good idea to have a inexperienced coach with a inexperienced captain. That is asking for a disaster.