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Misbah-ul-Haq's duration of stay at the wicket in ODIs and its impact on the match result

Couple of things.

1. The OP has done a great job accumulating those stats. Hats off to you. Agree or disagree you have to applaud the effort put into these posts. Its why this forum is so good.

2. Stats do not lie and the ones in the OP paint a bad picture, but in this case the stats only focus on 1 guy. Make a similar thread for Pakistans entire batting unit and I guarantee the amount of sub 24 ball innings would be shocking. I'm sure the whole batting line up would have similar if not worse stats.

3. The stats dont take into account the teams position when Misbah came onto the crease. If a team is 45/3 when Misbah comes on and then loses 2 more quick wickets as happened in the WI game pictured above, then obviously he'll play ultra defensively because if he gets out, the team folds for less than 100. Also, very rarely will a player like Afridi make more than 30 because of his aggressive nature. Sure he'll score big occasionally but relying on him to perform consistently with the bat is misguided IMO.

4. The stats above dont take into account whether Pakistan is batting first or chasing, which would have a big impact on how aggressively a player bats. If batting first you'll consolidate at first and then kick on once you've stabilised, whereas chasing you have no choice but to try keep in touch with the required run rate. If majority of innings are batting first, then the odds are he'll look to consolidate rather than hit sixes, especially as is often the case, when the team is 45/3 or 4 wickets down. If batting second and you find yourself 46/4 or so, then you need 1 guy to hit big boundaries and one other guy to turn over the strike. Misbah is naturally suited to turning over the strike so he probably feels its better if he leaves the big hitting to others e.g. U Akmal or Afridi. When this doesnt happen or fails, the team is already in no mans land and loses heavily, which probably makes Misbah's figures and strike rate look worse than they actually are. Look at Mohali, I'm sure Misbah was hoping for Younus or U Akmal to hit at a good rate, when this didnt materialize he was left stranded and his innings stood out as the worst. Call this making excuses, its just my opinion.

5. Misbah is captain so responsibility is on him to play with a cool head, which rules out the Afridi-esque approach. He's also expected to bring his team home of they are in trouble, which may be a reason for his defensive batting e.g. if he gets out people will talk about how he doesnt have the bottle to guide his teams chase whereas if Afridi gets out, people can claim he was trying to accelerate/repair the damage Misbah caused, rather than criticise him.This makes Afridi and others who fail look way better than the actually are. IMO you need your captain to be more cool headed than others, otherwise he'll spend most of the match in the hut.

6. No matter how bad Misbah is in your eyes, you cannot possibly blame him for all the teams faults. You're only harming the team by doing this as the top order that constantly fails will eventually feel they will never be held accountable and get complacent. Misbah is just 1 man and yes he is captain, but he cannot possibly be blamed for the constant batting collapses Pakistan endure. The team is comprised of men, not Misbah and a bunch of kids, so blame all of them if they've failed, not just Misbah. You'll promote a good atmosphere of accountability if all are held responsible, and the captain isnt scapegoated for everything.

Just my thoughts. Feel free to disagree.

a good post...further i will add we often forget the importance of partnerships in ODI cricket...A good 80-odd partnership (Irrespective of of individual Strike rates of player ) at good combined Strike Rate is more important .... A team would prefer a 80(90) partnership at the end of day rather than 40(40) with both player failing to maintain wicket .
 
Ok look i have no problem with batting at a slow strike rate when the situation calls for it,

what i have a problem with is batting the same way no matter the match situation!!! Misbah bats the same way no matter the situation it makes no sense.

like for example if you are so worried about your top order why does misbah not bat at number 3? This way if we lose an early wicket , misbah can come in an close up one end? if we dont lose wickets send in the stroke makers!

Also if your chasing you can not come in bat at a low strike rate cause it all does is put pressure on the other batsman, no one can honestly tell me mohali 2011 was not anything but a selfish innings with common sense whats so ever!

I agree with you re:batting order.

Here in Ireland we have two players similar to Misbah. Ed Joyce and Porterfield. Porterfield is also captain and he opens. Ed Joyce bats at 3. Both are slower (SR around 70-80) batters and are there to lay a platform for the lower order to build on. Its always confused me as to why Misbah bats at 5 or 6 which he shouldnt do. That I do agree with you on
 
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Couple of things.

1. The OP has done a great job accumulating those stats. Hats off to you. Agree or disagree you have to applaud the effort put into these posts. Its why this forum is so good.
Thanks...

..and thank you for taking time to reply!

Saj/MIG.. please take note of the comment in bold! :P

2. Stats do not lie and the ones in the OP paint a bad picture, but in this case the stats only focus on 1 guy. Make a similar thread for Pakistans entire batting unit and I guarantee the amount of sub 24 ball innings would be shocking. I'm sure the whole batting line up would have similar if not worse stats.
Two points.....
a) The analysis was not about how MANY 24-ball innings Misbah has. It was about what happens case of those innings.. the results I mean.

b) See the sme anaylsis for Hafeez and Umar Akmal below... and you can clearly see, their Win/Loss is independent of number of balls they spend on the wicket.


3. The stats dont take into account the teams position when Misbah came onto the crease. If a team is 45/3 when Misbah comes on and then loses 2 more quick wickets as happened in the WI game pictured above, then obviously he'll play ultra defensively because if he gets out, the team folds for less than 100. Also, very rarely will a player like Afridi make more than 30 because of his aggressive nature. Sure he'll score big occasionally but relying on him to perform consistently with the bat is misguided IMO.

Again... two points.
a) What about when Misbah batted for 24 or less ball. How took care of 45/3 situation...and we ended up having pronominal win-loss ratio.

b) It is a total myth that Misbah comes to bat at 45/3 all the time.
Look at this post....
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...oth-series-Rashid-Latif&p=7033957#post7033957

Read this OP;
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...hey-come-to-bat-at-33-3&p=7003158#post7003158



4. The stats above dont take into account whether Pakistan is batting first or chasing, which would have a big impact on how aggressively a player bats. If batting first you'll consolidate at first and then kick on once you've stabilised, whereas chasing you have no choice but to try keep in touch with the required run rate. If majority of innings are batting first, then the odds are he'll look to consolidate rather than hit sixes, especially as is often the case, when the team is 45/3 or 4 wickets down. If batting second and you find yourself 46/4 or so, then you need 1 guy to hit big boundaries and one other guy to turn over the strike. Misbah is naturally suited to turning over the strike so he probably feels its better if he leaves the big hitting to others e.g. U Akmal or Afridi. When this doesnt happen or fails, the team is already in no mans land and loses heavily, which probably makes Misbah's figures and strike rate look worse than they actually are. Look at Mohali, I'm sure Misbah was hoping for Younus or U Akmal to hit at a good rate, when this didnt materialize he was left stranded and his innings stood out as the worst. Call this making excuses, its just my opinion.

See below... the OP stats with the innings.... below... match by match. What does that tell you..if anything?

5. Misbah is captain so responsibility is on him to play with a cool head, which rules out the Afridi-esque approach. He's also expected to bring his team home of they are in trouble, which may be a reason for his defensive batting e.g. if he gets out people will talk about how he doesnt have the bottle to guide his teams chase whereas if Afridi gets out, people can claim he was trying to accelerate/repair the damage Misbah caused, rather than criticise him.This makes Afridi and others who fail look way better than the actually are. IMO you need your captain to be more cool headed than others, otherwise he'll spend most of the match in the hut.

So... who was supposed to "bring team home" when Waqar younis, Fazal Mahmood, Bishen Bedi, Bob Willis other bowlers were leading the sides as captains?


6. No matter how bad Misbah is in your eyes, you cannot possibly blame him for all the teams faults.
Did I blame him 100% for evey loss we have?

You're only harming the team by doing this as the top order that constantly fails will eventually feel they will never be held accountable and get complacent.
Me??? Harming the team???? :)) Wow.... just for expressing my opinion?? me? who is 1 of millions of cricket fans. Go read some other forums, media, cricinfo....etc and you will see 500 time more severe comments about cricket players.


Misbah is just 1 man and yes he is captain, but he cannot possibly be blamed for the constant batting collapses Pakistan endure. The team is comprised of men, not Misbah and a bunch of kids, so blame all of them if they've failed, not just Misbah. You'll promote a good atmosphere of accountability if all are held responsible, and the captain isnt scapegoated for everything.

Just my thoughts. Feel free to disagree.

What is the role of the captain then? Should we stop giving Imran Khan credit for World Cup win?




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Amazing research [MENTION=2344]W63L35[/MENTION] bhai. I am printing your threads. I am gonna show them to Sheryar khan once my university opens. I am with you on this.

:) Wow... this is the best complement I have so far. Thanks! :)

I hope, you are not joking...as what's University got to do with Sheryar Khan?
 
:) Wow... this is the best complement I have so far. Thanks! :)

I hope, you are not joking...as what's University got to do with Sheryar Khan?

Hahah no worries man.

Sheryar khan is the patron in chief of LUMUN and he is always roaming around lums. Have met him a lot of times. Will share this with him. :D
 
4 years later this same guy who lost Mohali for us is captain again, and even more incredibly younis is trying to be there with him. how on earth does this happen??
 
Misbah's duration of stay at the wicket in ODIs and the impact on Match Result

4 years later this same guy who lost Mohali for us is captain again, and even more incredibly younis is trying to be there with him. how on earth does this happen??

The rest performed brilliantly did they? Hafeez played a amazing shot to get out after a good start- Misbah's fault. He also made sure that Tendu was dropped a few times by telepathically guiding the ball away from the fielders hands. The guy is a true genius.

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Look at the beautiful innings of 13 off 44 balls by Younis- again Misbah's fault. And what a innings by the genius Afridi. True legend.
 
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The rest performed brilliantly did they? Hafeez played a amazing shot to get out after a good start- Misbah's fault. He also made sure that Tendu was dropped a few times by telepathically guiding the ball away from the fielders hands. The guy is a true genius.


13.1

Shahid Afridi to Tendulkar, 1 run, dropped, Tendulkar is living a charmed life. He pulls the ball firmly towards midwicket where Misbah attempts to take the catch to his right and drops it. Afridi keeps rather calm ...


19.3

Shahid Afridi to Tendulkar, no run, OMG! Yet another drop! Younis Khan this time. Afridi holds his head. What agony for the Pakistan captain. A sitter too. What a clanger. It was the loopy delivery outside off and TEndulkar drives. The ball goes to right of Younis who stretches his hands out but drops it. Pressure. Tension. Afridi can't believe it

Tendulkar went on to score the high score of 85 for india



checkmate
 
over 29, 31, 33, 34, 35, 36, 36 were all overs where misbah was batting, and faced the majority of deliveries. in none of these overs did Pakistan make more than 2 runs.


notice the only two overs missing in that period are 30 and 32, where umar akmal hit a 6 in both those overs.




embarrassing.
 
13.1

Shahid Afridi to Tendulkar, 1 run, dropped, Tendulkar is living a charmed life. He pulls the ball firmly towards midwicket where Misbah attempts to take the catch to his right and drops it. Afridi keeps rather calm ...


19.3

Shahid Afridi to Tendulkar, no run, OMG! Yet another drop! Younis Khan this time. Afridi holds his head. What agony for the Pakistan captain. A sitter too. What a clanger. It was the loopy delivery outside off and TEndulkar drives. The ball goes to right of Younis who stretches his hands out but drops it. Pressure. Tension. Afridi can't believe it

Tendulkar went on to score the high score of 85 for india



checkmate

Yes, he dropped a catch but used telepathic powers to manuever the ball away from Younis. Genius. Also, any comments on the amazing contributions from the other batsmen?
 
Yes, he dropped a catch but used telepathic powers to manuever the ball away from Younis. Genius. Also, any comments on the amazing contributions from the other batsmen?

well I exposed you for forgetting that misbah dropped the biggest catch of the game and then you continue going on about telepathic blah blah

I gave you evidence that misbah was playing in his own world, chasing his own imaginary total, with undeniable run per over statistics during the most integral period of the match. Your response? Deflecting the criticism to "the other" batsman.


laughable mate. sorry but you aren't talking sense right now and aren't willing to come up with an intellectual counter-argument. and I'm not surprised because the proof was and is in the pudding. Misbah and Younis lost Mohali. It was foreshadowed by each of them dropping Tendulkar respectively, then Tendulkar going on to make the highest score. Then younis comes in with a pathetic 13 off 32 playing in his own world. Finally, Misbah did exactly what Misbah does - come in with the match still in a winnable state, play at strike rate significantly lower than the required rate, wait until everyone else who actually came to chase a real total gets out, and then go down with the team as a loser.

Some people will defend him all night and wake up the next day (in 6 months) watch a repeat in Australia all over again and then wake up the next day and deflect the criticism again. Misbah's fans are a microcosm of the state of the country of Pakistan and our cricket as well - no accountability.
 
4 years later this same guy who lost Mohali for us is captain again, and even more incredibly younis is trying to be there with him. how on earth does this happen??

Lets analyze this further and see the amazing innings of Younis Khan & Assad Shafiq who crawled along at snails pace- btw, this was before Misbah came in.

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Looking at the above- Hafeez started the slide with that stupid 'shot' & Assad & Shafiw totally killed the momentum. Look at those amazing SR's.
 
when misbah ul haq came into bat at Mohali, the required run rate was 6.07


misbah ul haq went on to make 56 off 76, falling 20 deliveries behind the requirement. This was absolutely unacceptable for somebody who decided to stay at the crease for 76 deliveries and force everybody else to make the runs. Totally unaccepting of any responsibility, should be sacked from the team for that type of demoralizing attitude.

younis khan was just awful as well with his 13 off 32. that was equally as sad to watch as a cricket fan who grew up watching flare and aggression as a mark of Pakistani cricket.
 
when shafiq came to the crease the required rate was 5.29 in the 9th over. he left in the 24th over with the required rate 6.04 with 7 wickets remaining. shafiq did his job. 30 off 39 was decent, not excellent, but good enough.

hafeez, despite his poor shot, got us off to an excellent start.

again, when both these batsman left the crease, Pakistan were still on top and were still favored to win the game (can be backed up by looking at sportsbook odds history).


younis and misbah lost the game, so you are 50% on your way to the answer now as you picked out younis successfully
 
It's time to call it a day Misbah. Come and retire in Yorkshire and get a nice coaching job and settle down. Forget about Pakistan, they never liked you, but we like you here. You are our King Misbah - Lord of the Tuk Tuk and you are an honorary Yorkshireman.
 
when shafiq came to the crease the required rate was 5.29 in the 9th over. he left in the 24th over with the required rate 6.04 with 7 wickets remaining. shafiq did his job. 30 off 39 was decent, not excellent, but good enough.

hafeez, despite his poor shot, got us off to an excellent start.

again, when both these batsman left the crease, Pakistan were still on top and were still favored to win the game (can be backed up by looking at sportsbook odds history).


younis and misbah lost the game, so you are 50% on your way to the answer now as you picked out younis successfully

Then how did you come to conclusion that Misbah lost the game earlier on? Did my posts above make you change your mind? I blame all the batsmen collectively, particularly Hafeez & Younis.

Anyway, im not going to keep on debating this as we can go in circles. I was merely trying to prove you wrong when you said Misbah lost us the game and I did. And btw I have already mentioned on the forum that Misbah & Younis need to retire.
 
Brilliant stuff IM NOT YOU. Finally the silent majority is speaking up
 
Lets analyze this further and see the amazing innings of Younis Khan & Assad Shafiq who crawled along at snails pace- btw, this was before Misbah came in.



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Looking at the above- Hafeez started the slide with that stupid 'shot' & Assad & Shafiw totally killed the momentum. Look at those amazing SR's.

aahhh.....GREAT MEMORIES:misbah
 
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Accodring to stats Kamran akmal is world's 8th most successful WK till date (all formats).
According to stats Misbah is one of the best Odi and test players (considering Avg.)
Accoding to stats Imran Farhat is one of few most successful FC players in Pakistan.

That shows Stats are not true representative of how good/bad a player is.
 
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Can anybody explain why Umar Akmal's and Hafeez's Win/Loss ratios are pretty much the same in all cases ...but Misbah's are extremely skewed??
 
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Can anybody explain why Umar Akmal's and Hafeez's Win/Loss ratios are pretty much the same in all cases ...but Misbah's are extremely skewed??

The Misbah brigade will now say that Stats dont tell the full story
 
The Misbah brigade will now say that Stats dont tell the full story

I just asked them to explain the half-the-story that stats are telling! :)
Let's see if any brave soul tries to take a stab at the explanation. :P
 
Good luck to Pakistan ... and I hope Pakistan win tonight... regardless of lenght of Misbah's stay at the wicket.

There are only 4 choices...and only one answer.... (like a multiple choice exam! :) )

a) Misbah stays at the wicket for 25 or more balls and Pakistan losses (likely scenario - based on history).
b) Misbah stays at the wicket for 25 or more balls and Pakistan wins (low probability - based on history).
c) Misbah stays at the wicket for 24 or less balls and Pakistan losses (low probability - based on history).
d) Misbah stays at the wicket for 24 or less balls and Pakistan wins (likely scenario - based on history).


What is it going to be???
 
Misbah scores to slow to win world cup or more matches then he looses.

Although he does contribute scores which other don't......

All in all need faster scorers who are aware of match situations, so don't let the run rate required go too far behind.
 
Misbah is so shameless that he will use Ajmal's unavailability as the sole excuse for another series lost and shamelessly continue clinging to captaincy while denying youngsters a chance in the team.
 
Good luck to Pakistan ... and I hope Pakistan win tonight... regardless of lenght of Misbah's stay at the wicket.

There are only 4 choices...and only one answer.... (like a multiple choice exam! :) )

a) Misbah stays at the wicket for 25 or more balls and Pakistan losses (likely scenario - based on history).
b) Misbah stays at the wicket for 25 or more balls and Pakistan wins (low probability - based on history).
c) Misbah stays at the wicket for 24 or less balls and Pakistan losses (low probability - based on history).
d) Misbah stays at the wicket for 24 or less balls and Pakistan wins (likely scenario - based on history).


What is it going to be???

Misbah should not bat at all, best scenario for Pakistan.
 
Another 24 or less ball performance....another win for Pakistan. :)


Thank you Misbah :) for leaving enough balls for Fawad, Sohaib and Afridi to win the game for us.

Thanks again!

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Once again guys remember I've been saying this for years.

The longer Misbah stays at the wicket, the less chance we have of winning.
 
Once again guys remember I've been saying this for years.

The longer Misbah stays at the wicket, the less chance we have of winning.

But but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but ...
he comes in at 33/3 and he has to stabilize and build the innings.


I wonder what Fawad and Sohaib did today when Fawad came in at 94/4 (chasing 275 in 45 overs) ...and Sohaib who came in at 105/5.... and BOTH ended up with S/R of 100+.
 
Basit Ali feels that Misbah needs to change his role i.e. come in at 6 or 7, let all the top notch aggressive batsmen, strike rotaters bat up the order and Misbah can just play the big shots at lower down the order. I thoroughly agree with this tactics if Misbah is not dropped from the team. Younis Khan, my word, what a waste of a spot. Imbalances the team. I think if he too cannot be dropped then he needs to be at 6 in case there is a batting collapse and YK can blast the spinners if there is no alternative.
 
OP is spot on. Misbah just plays for his average and does not let any talented batsman take up place nor gives them a consistent chance. He favors guys like Malik and YK the masters of Tuks. And YK is his Mohali mate.
 
Updated Stats in OP....... notice the circled stats. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:



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To be fair fawad was there to rescue us when Misbah was unable to. Misbah if he gets going prob just about gets us to a total which we can work with given his limitations but fawads ability to rotate the strike and score at a run a ball keeps us competitive.
 
To be fair fawad was there to rescue us when Misbah was unable to. Misbah if he gets going prob just about gets us to a total which we can work with given his limitations but fawads ability to rotate the strike and score at a run a ball keeps us competitive.

Fawad actually makes up for his slow starts, he starts with a SR of 60-70 but accelerates to 90-100 by the end, which is perfectly acceptable. Misbah on the other hand starts at 40-50, hits a couple of odd 4's, the odd 6, takes it to 70 and then gets out. You tell me, what is more acceptable.
 
Fawad actually makes up for his slow starts, he starts with a SR of 60-70 but accelerates to 90-100 by the end, which is perfectly acceptable. Misbah on the other hand starts at 40-50, hits a couple of odd 4's, the odd 6, takes it to 70 and then gets out. You tell me, what is more acceptable.

Fawad should ideally replace Misbah, have to wait until the WC 2015 is over though.
 
Had he stayed 2-3 more balls on the wickets we would have lost! So we can say your cut off of 24 balls was perfect!
 
Had he stayed 2-3 more balls on the wickets we would have lost! So we can say your cut off of 24 balls was perfect!
Thanks....


Next game ... who knows what will happen. He could very well score a 100 ball 100.... which I hope he does.... and take Pakistan home for a series win.
 
i think misbah just needs to come in at 6-7 and be forced to hit out!

i have actually noticed from watching misbah for years now, when he actually needs to come in when we have a had a good start, he always gets out cheaply, its like he can only bat at one pace
 
Updated Stats in OP....... after YET another 25+ ball innings in another loss today.... :)


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catastrophe !

another awful Misbah performance and another loss. Its not just about his S/R only, his stay at the wicket literally killed all the momentum we had and totally stalled the innings. Both him and Shehzad were going nowhere, simply dumb stuck on a track where opposition got 310 runs.
 
We had a chance to become the first team in SL to chase 300+ with the perfect start and Misbah ruined it for us just because he was out of form and played for his average like he always does. Had Maqsood or Fawad come in place of Misbah, this game would have been ours because all that was required was to just rotate the strike and SL would've panicked just like they did last game.
 
Amazing research [MENTION=2344]W63L35[/MENTION] bhai. I am printing your threads. I am gonna show them to Sheryar khan once my university opens. I am with you on this.

In a desi setup, you need someone at least from the 70's era to have developed the sense and skills of analyzing and trusting the knowledge of statistics to make a well informed decision.

Shehar Khan is I think from the 40's era, he wouldn't understand your point by looking at these stats.
 
The only day I'll start accepting stats like this is..

When

1. W63L35 makes similar stats to show how many times has Afridi come and thrown it away ... or had poor bowling performances.

2. Stats which don't make Hafeez higher than Inzimam.

3. Stats which don't make Junaid Khan higher than Wasim.


Once those stats are explained to me... I 'll take the Misbah stats.
 
Judging by the stats maybe Misbah should bat at 7, and play the role of the finisher, he certainly can play the big shots, and it would be interesting to see how he plays if arrives at the crease with the situation being something like 75 runs required of 43 balls.
 
Good luck to Pakistan ... and I hope Pakistan wins the series tonight... regardless of length of Misbah's stay at the wicket....



There are 4 choices...and only one answer....

a) Misbah stays at the wicket for 25 or more balls and Pakistan losses (likely scenario - based on history).
b) Misbah stays at the wicket for 25 or more balls and Pakistan wins (low probability - based on history).
c) Misbah stays at the wicket for 24 or less balls and Pakistan losses (low probability - based on history).
d) Misbah stays at the wicket for 24 or less balls and Pakistan wins (likely scenario - based on history).


What is it going to be???
 
OP why did u chose 25 balls as criteria. Please select 50 balls as criteria then show us the results. I have this humble request to you.

Also please give us a probability of Afridi and umar akmal staying more than 20 balls. Please please please
 
Good luck to Pakistan ... and I hope Pakistan wins the series tonight... regardless of length of Misbah's stay at the wicket....



There are 4 choices...and only one answer....

a) Misbah stays at the wicket for 25 or more balls and Pakistan losses (likely scenario - based on history).
b) Misbah stays at the wicket for 25 or more balls and Pakistan wins (low probability - based on history).
c) Misbah stays at the wicket for 24 or less balls and Pakistan losses (low probability - based on history).
d) Misbah stays at the wicket for 24 or less balls and Pakistan wins (likely scenario - based on history).


What is it going to be???

Pretty much looks like scenario (a)
 
We had a chance to become the first team in SL to chase 300+ with the perfect start and Misbah ruined it for us just because he was out of form and played for his average like he always does. Had Maqsood or Fawad come in place of Misbah, this game would have been ours because all that was required was to just rotate the strike and SL would've panicked just like they did last game.

Nobody in Lanka has chased 300+?
 
OP why did u chose 25 balls as criteria.
Had I picked 50 balls, somebody else would have questioned that also. You can never make everybody happy all the times.

Please select 50 balls as criteria then show us the results. I have this humble request to you.
Why do want the criteria to be 50 balls.


Also please give us a probability of Afridi and umar akmal staying more than 20 balls. Please please please


You questioned 24/25 ball criteria for Misbah.... want me to use 50-ball critera for Misbah but... 20 ball criteria for Afridi and Umar Akmal? Why?

Look at Post# 83... It does have Umar Akmal's stats.
 
Had I picked 50 balls, somebody else would have questioned that also. You can never make everybody happy all the times.


Why do want the criteria to be 50 balls.





You questioned 24/25 ball criteria for Misbah.... want me to use 50-ball critera for Misbah but... 20 ball criteria for Afridi and Umar Akmal? Why?

Look at Post# 83... It does have Umar Akmal's stats.



I told that its really a very very humble request. I will be very much please if you do this for me.

On a side note, selection of balls criteria should be according to the role of player in the team.

For Misbah 50 is a decent enough criteria. I mean 2 stats should be useful in this perspective. What is percentage of his innings above 50 balls and what is percentage of wins out of those 50+ balls innings.

For Afridi 20 balls is decent criteria because he can change the match in a matter of only 20 balls, no doubt about that. But the question is how probable is this that he will play more than 20 balls.

For umar akmal I take back my words. He is a proper batsman. His criteria should be 50 balls. There is an argument that he is mishandled by captain, team management, so lets reduce the criteria to 35 balls.

Please Its really a humble request. I am really looking forward to you for positive feedback like elder brother (age of PP). Please dont let me down.
 
I told that its really a very very humble request. I will be very much please if you do this for me.

On a side note, selection of balls criteria should be according to the role of player in the team.

For Misbah 50 is a decent enough criteria. I mean 2 stats should be useful in this perspective. What is percentage of his innings above 50 balls and what is percentage of wins out of those 50+ balls innings.

For Afridi 20 balls is decent criteria because he can change the match in a matter of only 20 balls, no doubt about that. But the question is how probable is this that he will play more than 20 balls.

For umar akmal I take back my words. He is a proper batsman. His criteria should be 50 balls. There is an argument that he is mishandled by captain, team management, so lets reduce the criteria to 35 balls.

Please Its really a humble request. I am really looking forward to you for positive feedback like elder brother (age of PP). Please dont let me down.

Dear W63L35, if you do this for me, I will take it as life time favor.
 
Oh look look. Afridi played at a strike rate of 50 today.

And its Misbahs fault the team lost.

He asked Afridi to play slowly today.
 
All three ODIs in this Pak-SL series .....
Misbah < 25 balls, Pakistan wins.
Misbah > 24 Balls, Pakistan loses.


I'll update the stats later.
 
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regardless of how bad the score is, you cant ever be excused for having 27 off 92 balls.. thats pathetic in an ODI in 2013

Yes it is slow but the partnership won you the game what else do you want? Now we have better players than him so he should only play test cricket.
 
Yes it is slow but the partnership won you the game what else do you want? Now we have better players than him so he should only play test cricket.

In this case you are entirely right Fawad, it was a good innings, because balls were not at all an issue at that stage, compared to the number of wickets in hand. Also, SR needs to be viewed in match context, and in the context of that match it isn't as bad as it sounds. No one but Afridi could touch the ball that day.

That said, this statistic is proving very reliable over a large sample, so disagreeing with one example here and there, especially when you take such an atypical match won't really disprove the main point.
 
Misbah is good in stopping collapse but he was never good in helping his team post/chase big totals. How do you stop collapse? By scoring 40(80) but that won't win you too many games. I am still bit surprised by the scale of stats though.

He doesn't have the skills to rotate the strike. I think some one posted a stat, where Misbah scores higher percentage of runs with six when compared to many other batsmen. I haven't checked it but if that's true then it puts his strike rotation skills in perspective. Despite scoring so many runs with six, if your SR is similar to players who played few generations ago then you have a really poor strike rotation skill. Any logic like , he comes all the time with 30/4, is useless because you don't need to take huge risk to rotate the strike. It's a skill. Either you have it or you don't. I think he is one of the worst batsmen when it comes to strike rotation. That's the main reason for him not contributing much in big totals/chase with any consistency or not getting 100s in ODI.
 
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Misbah is good in stopping collapse but he was never good in helping his team post/chase big totals.

He doesn't have the skills to rotate the strike. I think some one posted a stat, where Misbah scores higher percentage of runs with six when compared to many other batsmen. I haven't checked it but if that's true then it puts his strike rotation skills in perspective. If your SR is similar to players who played few generations ago despite scoring so many runs with six then you have a really poor strike rotation skill.

How many Pakistani batsmen are good at Strike Rotation?

Fawad and Umar Akmal...

Hafeez on a motorway is good but otherwise he tooks himself into destruction.

Shehzad , we call him world class but his Strike rotation is just as horrible as Misbah.

If we are going to point out Misbah's flaws as a batsmen based on SR, there are a couple of other batsmen who are just as flawed.
 
How many Pakistani batsmen are good at Strike Rotation?

Fawad and Umar Akmal...

Hafeez on a motorway is good but otherwise he tooks himself into destruction.

Shehzad , we call him world class but his Strike rotation is just as horrible as Misbah.

If we are going to point out Misbah's flaws as a batsmen based on SR, there are a couple of other batsmen who are just as flawed.

I think Misbah is probably worse of the lot when it comes to strike rotation. Don't have any stats here but just my impression based on watching him bat so many times. Not saying that everyone else is good. Anyway, it's a major but still one aspect of batting in ODI. He has actually done well despite this limitation.
 
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All three ODIs in this Pak-SL series .....
Misbah < 25 balls, Pakistan wins.
Misbah > 24 Balls, Pakistan loses.


I'll update the stats later.

Here are updated stats just before the starts of the ODI series tomorrow.

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Misbah scores an Afridi-like 1st ball duck and Pakistan loses.

Only 3rd match under his captaincy where he is at the wicket for less than 25 balls and Pakistan lost.

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What about an analysis of the fact that we have lost more ODIs than we have won against top 6 teams when Afridi has played?
 
Self-Bumping your fail is a clever way of avoiding an assault.
 
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