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Pakcricket89

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How do people see his action


IMO he certainly has a kink which makes it look dodgy. He may be with in the limits but his action warrants a visit to Bio-mechanical lab.
 
Not sure why a left arm finger spinner would chuck but there's no harm in testing it
 
Convict said:
Not sure why a left arm finger spinner would chuck but there's no harm in testing it
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HAfeez chucks despite not having a doosra. Senanayke chucked his offies too. SLA is a finger spinner and has same mechanics as an offie.
 
Pakcricket89 said:
HAfeez chucks despite not having a doosra. Senanayke chucked his offies too. SLA is a finger spinner and has same mechanics as an offie.
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Yeah but Hafeez and Sena chucked on purpose and not from mechanics
 
Take one of his videos (can't find anything on Youtube), upload on Youtube, post it here and we can reduce the speed to 0.25 and find out about his action (not a 100% reliable way but really its kinda a very effective way).
 
Ojha had a dodgy action. BCCI asked him to work on his action and he changed it now.

Axar Patel doesn't have the cleanest of actions but now I think he has improved his action.

By and large, left arm spinners are super clean (Panesar, Jadeja, Ashton Agar, Zulfi, Herath, Vettori, etc).
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Ojha had a dodgy action. BCCI asked him to work on his action and he changed it now.

Axar Patel doesn't have the cleanest of actions but now I think he has improved his action.

By and large, left arm spinners are super clean (Panesar, Jadeja, Ashton Agar, Zulfi, Herath, Vettori, etc).
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There isn't a need for them to chuck, they're far more effective than off spinners when bowling to right handers.

It's offspinners who struggle as they bring it back into the batsmens hitting arc.
 
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sensible-indian-fan said:
Ojha had a dodgy action. BCCI asked him to work on his action and he changed it now.

Axar Patel doesn't have the cleanest of actions but now I think he has improved his action.

By and large, left arm spinners are super clean (Panesar, Jadeja, Ashton Agar, Zulfi, Herath, Vettori, etc).
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Aman said:
There isn't a need for them to chuck, they're far more effective than off spinners when bowling to right handers.

It's offspinners who struggle as they bring it back into the batsmens hitting arc.
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Thats as vague a theory as the one you present on steve smith being limited.
[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] Chucking isnt always done on purpose. Some people dont have enough motor command to change in between actions.

And if your theory is anything to go by, are there no left handers playing for whom a SLA would come right under their hitting arc?

He was chucking tday as simple as that.
Another SLA who chucks is arafat sunny, and that too very blatantly
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Ojha had a dodgy action. BCCI asked him to work on his action and he changed it now.

Axar Patel doesn't have the cleanest of actions but now I think he has improved his action.

By and large, left arm spinners are super clean (Panesar, Jadeja, Ashton Agar, Zulfi, Herath, Vettori, etc).
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Arafat sunny is another one with a dodgy action along with abdur Razzaq

SLA can chuck too.
 
axl100mph said:
Thats as vague a theory as the one you present on steve smith being limited.

[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] Chucking isnt always done on purpose. Some people dont have enough motor command to change in between actions.

And if your theory is anything to go by, are there no left handers playing for whom a SLA would come right under their hitting arc?

He was chucking tday as simple as that.
Another SLA who chucks is arafat sunny, and that too very blatantly
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Hafeez chucks on purpose, nothing to do with motor command. He gets more control and drift when he bends his arm.
 
ChachaCricket said:
Hafeez chucks on purpose, nothing to do with motor command. He gets more control and drift when he bends his arm.
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I didnt single out hafeez
I know he does it on purpose
I was talking generally.

Shabbir ahmed is an example. The guy could never rectify his action despite undergoing remedial work with james foster

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Never really noticed anything suspect. He doesn't use his front arm much which is a little odd but never noticed chucking
 
[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] do you consider Smith to be among Australia's most talented current batsmen?
 
axl100mph said:
Thats as vague a theory as the one you present on steve smith being limited.

[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] Chucking isnt always done on purpose. Some people dont have enough motor command to change in between actions.

And if your theory is anything to go by, are there no left handers playing for whom a SLA would come right under their hitting arc?

He was chucking tday as simple as that.
Another SLA who chucks is arafat sunny, and that too very blatantly
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SLA generally turning it away, bringing in the top edge if one were to move. Whereas right arm off spinners turn back into your arc so you can line them up and hit them through the legside.
 
Convict said:
Yeah.
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Really? Always thought of him as a limited batsmen with a great work ethic which has gotten him to the top of the world.

We all saw his raw ability when he came to the international scene, it was only a few years later he sorted his game and started playing as a specialist.
 
Aman said:
SLA generally turning it away, bringing in the top edge if one were to mow one through the legside. Whereas right arm off spinners turn back into your arc so you can line them up and hit them through the legside.
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Fixed.
 
Aman said:
SLA generally turning it away, bringing in the top edge if one were to move. Whereas right arm off spinners turn back into your arc so you can line them up and hit them through the legside.
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Do SLA turn it away from lefties too?

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Aman said:
Really? Always thought of him as a limited batsmen with a great work ethic which has gotten him to the top of the world.

We all saw his raw ability when he came to the international scene, it was only a few years later he sorted his game and started playing as a specialist.
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Huh?

More like talented player playing with a flawed technique.
 
Convict said:
Huh?

More like talented player playing with a flawed technique.
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What's your definition of talent?

IMO talent is someone who looks good and appears to have more time to play the ball.

I'm not saying Smith doesn't have these attributes, but he falls behind a number of batsmen when it comes to these two aspects, although he is still a far superior batsmen to those same talented players.
 
Aman said:
What's your definition of talent?

IMO talent is someone who looks good and has extra time to play the ball.

I'm not saying Smith doesn't have these attributes, but he falls behind a number of batsmen when it comes to these two aspects, although he is still a far superior batsmen to those same talented players.
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Looking good =/= talent.

Talent is ability.
 
[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] just have a look at your sig to get a feel of Smiths raw talent :))
 
Convict said:
Looking good =/= talent.

Talent is ability.
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Its because of smith's exceptional hand-eye that he gets away with so much shuffling to the off side.
A lesser player would be an lbw bunny with that technique
 
His action is as clean as whistle.Since Ajmal suspension,Pakistanis are attacking every other spinner
 
Aman said:
How many left arm spinners have been reported?
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I think left armes generally have a clean action. The only one I have doubts on is Bangladesh's Arafat Sunny. In the Pakistan domestic scene, Nayyer Abbas' action was found to be illegal. And Ojha is another one as already mentioned in the thread. But generally they do have clean actions. Haven't really watched Santner bowl so can't say if his action is clean or not.
 
Hafeez Chuk was minor and adjustable on the other hand Senanayake chuck was prominent
 
Looks clean at least in this video.

However another bowler at 5:11 Bhupinder Singh - Definitely worth a check in the Bio Mechanics lab for all that is worth
 
Mitchell Santner's bowling action - Is it clean?

So I watched the majority of this Test match and whilst Santner did the chunk of the bowling, many a times I noticed that he was bowling deliveries with a different rotation. Not implying anything here. But I personally don’t believe that all of his deliveries are within the 15 degree allowance (which is in fact a very minimal leniency mark). His quicker, flatter ball was the one that really got me noticing this.

I could be wrong and I am ready for a barrage of insults. But it’s my intuition, I’ve been watching cricket for nearly two decades and I know when I suspect something different.
 
So there is already a thread about this. Why has he not been called and Tested by an ICC lab??
 
He did what Dan Vetto never couldn’t.

Proud of you Santy
 
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