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Amir's pace is hardly the issue, he had an average speed of 142 km/h during the Aus test series.
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Mitchell Starc - Seems like he is the next big thing
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@ the guy who barely managed to pick up 2 test wickets in India being in the same league as Akram.
Equating starc to wasim(or saying that he is in the same league as akram)[since akram had to bowl to viv, richardson, steve waugh, haynes lara] is platinum grade absurdity. This thread is about starc who impressed me alot when I first saw him.
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You are over estimating Boult, like you did Anderson, Boult is no way near as skillfull as Anderson...Anderson was no match to Styen, similarly Boult is not in same tier as Strac...Strac himself was not the bowler with same skills but less pace (140), as soon as his pace went to 150, so his stature... Rabada won ODI series in India, test series in AUS, not because he had good skill but because of 145 clicks pace along with those skills...
Boult was not that special in WC, outside of first spell. Southee and even Vitorri were as effective as Boult upfront...Once or twice NZ had to bowl in death, both Southee and Boult were exposed...Wahab bowled better than anybody else other then Strac in death(mind you against India he bowled 6 overs in last 10, when they were only two out, still did not concede any boundary). If NZ had played more matches in AUS, people would have their death bowling in lot more matches...
What Pace Adds?
You don't value pace, which is fundamental trait of premium fast bowler, other trait is height like McGrath or HW, you got to have something extra (along with skill) to take your self to next level...
Pace allows you to increase your range, you can bowl more lengths effectively, can reverse more effectively...In test you have more utility across the world conditions as well as various time of the innings... Boult and Amir are duds once ball gets old, they cannot reverse, they don't have effective length or short pitch ball, even Wagnar bowls better than them at 135 clicks...
You can take wickets with old ball and clean the tail, pretty much in every condition, something both Boult and Amir cannot do...
Amir and Boult also don't have strong forceful action that's why even at 140 pace their short ball, reverse swing, yorkers are not as effective as others who has more muscular action...In PSL Mills was also bowling at 140-143 but was much more effective with forceful length balls than Amir at same pace, Amir does not bowl effective heavy ball, because of not so powerful action, same is the problem with Boult...
You will see Rabada and Mills will be more effective(we already know that in ODIs) in IPL late overs , because there is more muscle behind their effort balls, rather than driven by arm speed...
Muscle in modern day LOI cricket is very important, without that its going to be hard to have more variation in lengths(short, good, back and yorker), better reverse swing...We have not seen any muscle bowler in Pakistan since Wahab...Wahab skill level is very weak because of terrible wrist release, he is good athlete, if he had fixed that issue early on, he could have been in the league of Strac...He is lucky to play international cricket because of his muscle power, skill wise he is probably one of the worst bowler in international circuit...
Its very disappointing that we have not seen a single fast bowler(again a bowler with forceful action) even on the horizon thus far in 2 PSL and 8 years counting, this is not good for Pakistan Cricket...All these medium pacers can take you only so far, Pakistan need that muscle power to take the team to next level...The purpose of these academies should be to produce such a bowler, otherwise mediocre lot can come without spending a dime
Also, Amir needs to add muscle to his bowling, like Strac that can take him from 140 to 150, without muscle he can generate 140 pace, with muscle all the other lengths(good, back, short, yorker) will be as effective as others...He needs to make that jump to be Tier 1 bowler, again he has lot of ingredients, need to take that extra step...Very few bowlers can generate 140-145 clicks pace without muscle, he has one of those rare skills...I was hoping that he will take that next step, maybe he needs a time off and somebody needs to work with him to add muscle in his bowling, keep on playing hectic international schedule is not going to help!!
Increasing pace for fast bowler is still a mystery. Starc's action is a bit like a slingshot....runs in....reaches umpire...takes a stride...then for a very brief moment he stops..............then releases it. If amir bowls incorporates this ....stopping for a very brief moment...then release it...He too will add 3 to 5 kph extra to his speed + he should fully utilize the crease.
But amir also has some issues with his action. He does not bowls with the same action as he used to.
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You are over estimating Boult, like you did Anderson, Boult is no way near as skillfull as Anderson...Anderson was no match to Styen, similarly Boult is not in same tier as Strac...Strac himself was not the bowler with same skills but less pace (140), as soon as his pace went to 150, so his stature... Rabada won ODI series in India, test series in AUS, not because he had good skill but because of 145 clicks pace along with those skills...
Boult was not that special in WC, outside of first spell. Southee and even Vitorri were as effective as Boult upfront...Once or twice NZ had to bowl in death, both Southee and Boult were exposed...Wahab bowled better than anybody else other then Strac in death(mind you against India he bowled 6 overs in last 10, when they were only two out, still did not concede any boundary). If NZ had played more matches in AUS, people would have their death bowling in lot more matches...
What Pace Adds?
You don't value pace, which is fundamental trait of premium fast bowler, other trait is height like McGrath or HW, you got to have something extra (along with skill) to take your self to next level...
Pace allows you to increase your range, you can bowl more lengths effectively, can reverse more effectively...In test you have more utility across the world conditions as well as various time of the innings... Boult and Amir are duds once ball gets old, they cannot reverse, they don't have effective length or short pitch ball, even Wagnar bowls better than them at 135 clicks...
You can take wickets with old ball and clean the tail, pretty much in every condition, something both Boult and Amir cannot do...
Amir and Boult also don't have strong forceful action that's why even at 140 pace their short ball, reverse swing, yorkers are not as effective as others who has more muscular action...In PSL Mills was also bowling at 140-143 but was much more effective with forceful length balls than Amir at same pace, Amir does not bowl effective heavy ball, because of not so powerful action, same is the problem with Boult...
You will see Rabada and Mills will be more effective(we already know that in ODIs) in IPL late overs , because there is more muscle behind their effort balls, rather than driven by arm speed...
Muscle in modern day LOI cricket is very important, without that its going to be hard to have more variation in lengths(short, good, back and yorker), better reverse swing...We have not seen any muscle bowler in Pakistan since Wahab...Wahab skill level is very weak because of terrible wrist release, he is good athlete, if he had fixed that issue early on, he could have been in the league of Strac...He is lucky to play international cricket because of his muscle power, skill wise he is probably one of the worst bowler in international circuit...
Its very disappointing that we have not seen a single fast bowler(again a bowler with forceful action) even on the horizon thus far in 2 PSL and 8 years counting, this is not good for Pakistan Cricket...All these medium pacers can take you only so far, Pakistan need that muscle power to take the team to next level...The purpose of these academies should be to produce such a bowler, otherwise mediocre lot can come without spending a dime
Also, Amir needs to add muscle to his bowling, like Strac that can take him from 140 to 150, without muscle he can generate 140 pace, with muscle all the other lengths(good, back, short, yorker) will be as effective as others...He needs to make that jump to be Tier 1 bowler, again he has lot of ingredients, need to take that extra step...Very few bowlers can generate 140-145 clicks pace without muscle, he has one of those rare skills...I was hoping that he will take that next step, maybe he needs a time off and somebody needs to work with him to add muscle in his bowling, keep on playing hectic international schedule is not going to help!!
I cannot say this for sure. But pakistan got players in a very unconventional way. Eg wasim waqar inzamam. Shadab khan came out of nowhere. He is so young yet he plays international bowlers with such ease.
Further, don't forget spot fixing saga. In a way pakistan did produce fast bowlers that could serve pakistan for a long time. But spot fixing saga messed up lots of things.
eg wasim in 84, waqar in 89, zahid in 96 shoaib in 97. Asif in 2005, amir in 2009.
2 in 80s
2 in 90s
2 in 2000.
Further, nowadays its very hard to not get noticed if you are fast. Eg youtube fb etc
Lets hope that we unearth another premium grade fast bowler in next 12 to 24 months. InshAllah with khair
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Starc is a tremendous ODI fast bowler.
On career the n'est of the last 10 years I will say.
But he is bowling complète rubbish these days. Was the worst Australian quick against us and was average against New Zealand too.
Starc In tests?! Still has a lot to proove...
On career the n'est of the last 10 years I will say.
But he is bowling complète rubbish these days. Was the worst Australian quick against us and was average against New Zealand too.
Starc In tests?! Still has a lot to proove...
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Yeah,he was a better bowler before injury as he used to swing the new ball with great pace.Now that swing has reduced and only pace is there,a bit like Wahab Riaz but surely he has a brilliant mind and has great accuracy to hit the stumps regularly unlike Wahab Riaz who bowls trash.If he can get into his rhythm back with that speed and swing,he can become a lethal weapon in all formats.
Stray release is lot more forceful,he has significantly more muscle in his upper body than Amir/Boult,plus long levers give him extra swing and sling, not to mention more pace...Combination of forceful release and strong muscular body, long levers gives him that extra 10 clicks...Look at Rabada, strong upper body allows him to have forceful action...
Amir action early on was more forceful, remember in T20 WC final, how he got Dilshan? - Bowling six shot balls in a row, well target and with venom...Even in ODIs in AUS 2010, his short balls early on were lot more effective, now we don't see that....But even at that time he needed more work to master the reverse swing, action needed to be more slingy and forceful with older ball...Amir needs to develop those skills to be effective with older ball and increase range of his length...He has become very monotonous, everybody knows what length he is going to bowl every single time, why? - because he don't have more lengths to play with
Mitchel Stark, the crush of cricket fans: How should Pakistan negotiate him in WC 19?
So, watching mitchel starc bowl, there must be something wrong with you as a cricket fan, if you don't love his aggression, pace & swing. His whole aggressive attitude i.e. Bouncers & Yorkers, irrespective of what phase of the innings is it, that's what makes team great. I think his height is just an icing on the top, makes him so hard to negotiate from the deliveries at back of the length.
Australia should be proud they have that in Mitchel Starc. I love how he went after Chris Gayle. Reminds me of Shoaib Akhtar. But shoaib didn't have whole arsenal of weapons up his sleeve. I know this forum hates him for his comments, but that's just because he loves cricket with passion and doesn't sugar coat things and says stuff which needs to be said.
So, back to starc. I think he will be a force to reckon with. And if he stays fit, which is a big if, he may end up being an all time great. His wrists need bit of work for release of up right seam, as in 2015 world cup had almost still seam, but besides that, he is almost perfect.
As a cricket fan i love him. And it will be one of those moments, when you don't know what to do if that guy plays against your country. So, in australia vs Pakistan, starc will make a dent in our batting lineup & we should be ready about it. May need special batsman in place of Asif Ali. We should just give him respect & target other bowlers. If starc manages to get 2 of our wickets, i will call that as a success for Pakistan.
So, watching mitchel starc bowl, there must be something wrong with you as a cricket fan, if you don't love his aggression, pace & swing. His whole aggressive attitude i.e. Bouncers & Yorkers, irrespective of what phase of the innings is it, that's what makes team great. I think his height is just an icing on the top, makes him so hard to negotiate from the deliveries at back of the length.
Australia should be proud they have that in Mitchel Starc. I love how he went after Chris Gayle. Reminds me of Shoaib Akhtar. But shoaib didn't have whole arsenal of weapons up his sleeve. I know this forum hates him for his comments, but that's just because he loves cricket with passion and doesn't sugar coat things and says stuff which needs to be said.
So, back to starc. I think he will be a force to reckon with. And if he stays fit, which is a big if, he may end up being an all time great. His wrists need bit of work for release of up right seam, as in 2015 world cup had almost still seam, but besides that, he is almost perfect.
As a cricket fan i love him. And it will be one of those moments, when you don't know what to do if that guy plays against your country. So, in australia vs Pakistan, starc will make a dent in our batting lineup & we should be ready about it. May need special batsman in place of Asif Ali. We should just give him respect & target other bowlers. If starc manages to get 2 of our wickets, i will call that as a success for Pakistan.
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Reverse swing has magically returned....who else has returned to the side recently? 
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Today he bowled okay. Not that accurate. Windies made him look better than he was by playing reckless shots.
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Reverse swing has magically returned....who else has returned to the side recently?
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Bowled better than he was recently, getting overs under his belt has made him look better with the ball. He will keep improving throughout this tournament and has a chance to again top the wickets charts taking Australia deep in the competition with a possible shot at victory.
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WI had the match won but then Starc gets rid of Holder to win the match.
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This round armish angle was because ball was reversing in PP3 which starts after 40 overs and it helps with reverse swing.
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Allan Border: Australia’s Mitchell Starc is the best bowler around
Considering where they were earlier on in the day at 79/5 in their innings, it was a remarkable turnaround from Australia to get the victory against the West Indies.
They struggled early on against some very good pace bowling and that’s an area they will need to work on, but any time you can pinch a victory like that it is a pretty good result.
There was also an unlikely hero with the bat in Nathan Coulter-Nile. It was a phenomenal performance from him to make 92 – let alone to do it from just 60 balls.
It’s a pretty special performance from him to get his side to 288, while Steve Smith was also very good and held it together with those partnerships with Alex Carey and then Coulter-Nile.
That gave Australia something to bowl at when, halfway through the innings, you are questioning what’s gone wrong and all the negatives that can pervade a dressing room.
For them to be on a high going out to bowl, having dodged a bullet to a certain degree with an unlikely hero in Coulter-Nile, was a huge shift in the momentum of the match.
I am surprised Andre Russell and Jason Holder didn’t bowl out their overs, but it was a great performance from Coulter-Nile and the spring in the step was evident in the field early on.
I also thought Mitchell Starc bowled really well to take his five wickets. When he’s got his rhythm and his form is good, he’s definitely the best around – I think that is without question.
The way he starts, he swings the ball early, and then later on he goes around the wicket and makes it hard for tail-enders to get bat on ball with his pace and the angle he bowls.
It was a tremendous performance from him. Pat Cummins also bowled well, although the others struggled a bit so there are areas for improvement from the Aussies.
But it’s all about winning those close games and getting through, that’s what they are playing for really, it doesn’t matter if you win all nine games if you have a shocker in the semi-final.
If you can win games without playing your best, obviously you want to build to your best, that’s what a time like this is about and India next up will be a big stumbling block.
I think they got out of jail a little bit the other day, the South Africans played pretty well but they are just not scoring enough runs, and then Rohit Sharma kept it all together for the Indians.
India have got some vulnerabilities, but they also have some world-class performers in Sharma, Virat Kohli, Jasprit Bumrah and the rest – it’s a pretty handy side!
That’s a tough hurdle for Australia but once they’ve played a couple of decent teams, they will have a better idea of where they are at with regards to the rest of the tournament.
All the sides are basically showing they can beat each other, that’s the main thing that’s come out of these early games, there’s no obvious runaway-looking team at the moment.
I think that is how most of us expected it to be at this point – that there would be a lot of teams you expect to do well and then there would be a few surprise packages.
West Indies will clearly be one of those sides to keep an eye on, they look really dangerous, but Australia are progressing nicely so far and will be happy with their start to the tournament.
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Considering where they were earlier on in the day at 79/5 in their innings, it was a remarkable turnaround from Australia to get the victory against the West Indies.
They struggled early on against some very good pace bowling and that’s an area they will need to work on, but any time you can pinch a victory like that it is a pretty good result.
There was also an unlikely hero with the bat in Nathan Coulter-Nile. It was a phenomenal performance from him to make 92 – let alone to do it from just 60 balls.
It’s a pretty special performance from him to get his side to 288, while Steve Smith was also very good and held it together with those partnerships with Alex Carey and then Coulter-Nile.
That gave Australia something to bowl at when, halfway through the innings, you are questioning what’s gone wrong and all the negatives that can pervade a dressing room.
For them to be on a high going out to bowl, having dodged a bullet to a certain degree with an unlikely hero in Coulter-Nile, was a huge shift in the momentum of the match.
I am surprised Andre Russell and Jason Holder didn’t bowl out their overs, but it was a great performance from Coulter-Nile and the spring in the step was evident in the field early on.
I also thought Mitchell Starc bowled really well to take his five wickets. When he’s got his rhythm and his form is good, he’s definitely the best around – I think that is without question.
The way he starts, he swings the ball early, and then later on he goes around the wicket and makes it hard for tail-enders to get bat on ball with his pace and the angle he bowls.
It was a tremendous performance from him. Pat Cummins also bowled well, although the others struggled a bit so there are areas for improvement from the Aussies.
But it’s all about winning those close games and getting through, that’s what they are playing for really, it doesn’t matter if you win all nine games if you have a shocker in the semi-final.
If you can win games without playing your best, obviously you want to build to your best, that’s what a time like this is about and India next up will be a big stumbling block.
I think they got out of jail a little bit the other day, the South Africans played pretty well but they are just not scoring enough runs, and then Rohit Sharma kept it all together for the Indians.
India have got some vulnerabilities, but they also have some world-class performers in Sharma, Virat Kohli, Jasprit Bumrah and the rest – it’s a pretty handy side!
That’s a tough hurdle for Australia but once they’ve played a couple of decent teams, they will have a better idea of where they are at with regards to the rest of the tournament.
All the sides are basically showing they can beat each other, that’s the main thing that’s come out of these early games, there’s no obvious runaway-looking team at the moment.
I think that is how most of us expected it to be at this point – that there would be a lot of teams you expect to do well and then there would be a few surprise packages.
West Indies will clearly be one of those sides to keep an eye on, they look really dangerous, but Australia are progressing nicely so far and will be happy with their start to the tournament.
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Starc with another sublime performance today vs England, including a masterful set up of Root.
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Australia won’t take their foot off the gas despite booking semi-final spot, claims Starc
Mitchell Starc was thrilled that Australia were the first team to book their place in the semi-finals of the ICC Men’s World Cup 2019 following their victory over England at Lord’s.
Despite already having qualified for the semi-finals – Starc says there will be no let up from Australia as they take on New Zealand and South Africa in their final two group games.
He said: “There’s a lot of cricket to come before semi-final time. We’ve got two really important games but playing here at Lord’s where the final’s going to be has given us confidence,” he said.
“We’ve got another game here against New Zealand, which is going to be tough. They’re playing some fantastic cricket and they’ve really gone under the radar. Nobody’s really spoken too much about them and they keep winning games.
“So they’ve got a really strong side, Kane Williamson is their lynchpin in the middle and they have have bowlers who swing the ball, so it’s another big game but we’ve cemented our spot in the semis and we want to try and finish as high as we can building towards the final series of matches.”
Starc was happy to share the bowling laurels with his more unsung fellow left-armer, Jason Behrendorff, who took a five-for in only his second World Cup match.
“Dorff bowled awesome, beautifully, and deserved his five wickets - and it’s great to see him do so well here at Lord’s against England. I’ve bowled a fair bit with Mitchell Johnson in the past and this showed again today that there’s no reason why you can’t play two left armers when the pitch and match-ups suit.
“Dorff actually asked me if there was anything of note about the wicket here and, to be honest, I didn’t have much for him as I haven’t been here for about four years.”
They key to the victory, felt Starc, was the way the Australian bowlers got their lengths right in the England innings. “After watching them, as a bowling group we all wanted to bowl a bit fuller and make them drive the ball, and I think we did that really well. It
was a positive for us to bowl them out and win the game fairly strongly.”
With typical modesty, he was not making a big deal of the key delivery, a reverse swing yorker, that skittled Ben Stokes just as England’s dangerous all-rounder looked particularly threatening.
“He’s a fantastic player, one of their key batters. He nearly got them home against Sri Lanka and so we knew while he was batting that we couldn’t rest up. Fortunately, I got one through the gate,” shrugged Starc.
Some were hailing it as the delivery of the tournament so far, but Starc insisted: “I’ve got a pretty simple one-day plan and for me its all about execution.
“To execute that ball exactly how I wanted and for it to result the way it did was pleasing for me - but it was pleasing to contribute to the whole group.”
Start also laughed off an incident at breakfast in his team hotel when a supporter ‘sledged’ him while he was going to eat his three poached eggs.
“Some bloke in a suit was having a go about my strapping tape on my elbow and about me eating too much and how it was going to affect my bowling!” smiled Starc.
“He had a bit of a click at me - all good fun. I was still half-asleep, didn’t think much of it. It’s all been good fun around the tour, it’s all part and parcel of a World Cup!”
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Mitchell Starc was thrilled that Australia were the first team to book their place in the semi-finals of the ICC Men’s World Cup 2019 following their victory over England at Lord’s.
Despite already having qualified for the semi-finals – Starc says there will be no let up from Australia as they take on New Zealand and South Africa in their final two group games.
He said: “There’s a lot of cricket to come before semi-final time. We’ve got two really important games but playing here at Lord’s where the final’s going to be has given us confidence,” he said.
“We’ve got another game here against New Zealand, which is going to be tough. They’re playing some fantastic cricket and they’ve really gone under the radar. Nobody’s really spoken too much about them and they keep winning games.
“So they’ve got a really strong side, Kane Williamson is their lynchpin in the middle and they have have bowlers who swing the ball, so it’s another big game but we’ve cemented our spot in the semis and we want to try and finish as high as we can building towards the final series of matches.”
Starc was happy to share the bowling laurels with his more unsung fellow left-armer, Jason Behrendorff, who took a five-for in only his second World Cup match.
“Dorff bowled awesome, beautifully, and deserved his five wickets - and it’s great to see him do so well here at Lord’s against England. I’ve bowled a fair bit with Mitchell Johnson in the past and this showed again today that there’s no reason why you can’t play two left armers when the pitch and match-ups suit.
“Dorff actually asked me if there was anything of note about the wicket here and, to be honest, I didn’t have much for him as I haven’t been here for about four years.”
They key to the victory, felt Starc, was the way the Australian bowlers got their lengths right in the England innings. “After watching them, as a bowling group we all wanted to bowl a bit fuller and make them drive the ball, and I think we did that really well. It
was a positive for us to bowl them out and win the game fairly strongly.”
With typical modesty, he was not making a big deal of the key delivery, a reverse swing yorker, that skittled Ben Stokes just as England’s dangerous all-rounder looked particularly threatening.
“He’s a fantastic player, one of their key batters. He nearly got them home against Sri Lanka and so we knew while he was batting that we couldn’t rest up. Fortunately, I got one through the gate,” shrugged Starc.
Some were hailing it as the delivery of the tournament so far, but Starc insisted: “I’ve got a pretty simple one-day plan and for me its all about execution.
“To execute that ball exactly how I wanted and for it to result the way it did was pleasing for me - but it was pleasing to contribute to the whole group.”
Start also laughed off an incident at breakfast in his team hotel when a supporter ‘sledged’ him while he was going to eat his three poached eggs.
“Some bloke in a suit was having a go about my strapping tape on my elbow and about me eating too much and how it was going to affect my bowling!” smiled Starc.
“He had a bit of a click at me - all good fun. I was still half-asleep, didn’t think much of it. It’s all been good fun around the tour, it’s all part and parcel of a World Cup!”
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