Mitchell Starc vs Mohammad Amir in the Australia vs Pakistan 2016/17 series

[Abdullah719]

Good start by Amir with a four-fer and now Starc has a wicket as well. Good start by the two left-armers.

Who will fare better across the three Test matches?

 

[MenInG]

If Australian commentators are to be believed, Starc already ahead.

Atleast in the verbal stuff....

 

[The Paradox]

Starc for sure.

Different class.

 

[MenInG]

Starc for sure.

Different class.

Which class is that? Did he prevent SA walking away with the Test series?

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Amir picked up tailenders like Hazlewood, Starc and Wade. He got the big wicket of Warner though.

Starc got Pakistan's best batsman Azhar Ali, let's see if he can pick Misbah and YK

 

[Zohaib Shah]

Starc looks like a better bowler to be honest.

 

[Slog]

If Australian commentators are to be believed, Starc already ahead.

Atleast in the verbal stuff....

He is ahead in every bowling aspect

 

[Aman]

Starc and Rabada are a level above other pacers IMO.

Both are intimidating for batsmen and fans.

 

[Hawkeye]

He is ahead in every bowling aspect

Stop this wrist slitting fest, and a string of inaccurate posts. You're hurt over Asif's brilliance, so keep it at that.


Amir already would've run through this Australia side, he got only 4, but should've had at least 6.

He got even Smith out with the ball of the decade!! But no one went for it )

Starc can't produce magic like Amir does, with the ball moving BOTH ways with his will, at pace, the way he kept deceiving Smith, was brilliant to watch.

At least in this match so far, Amir is comfortably ahead.

 

[Ellipsism]

Starc looks like a better bowler to be honest.

Amir is more consistent but Starc produces a magic delivery every over.

 

[Slog]

Stop this wrist slitting fest, and a string of inaccurate posts. You're hurt over Asif's brilliance, so keep it at that.


Amir already would've run through this Australia side, he got only 4, but should've had at least 6.

He got even Smith out with the ball of the decade!! But no one went for it )

Starc can't produce magic like Amir does, with the ball moving BOTH ways with his will, at pace, the way he kept deceiving Smith, was brilliant to watch.

At least in this match so far, Amir is comfortably ahead.

lmao. are you losing the plot? whats the correlation even

take a breather man

 

[Bilal7]

Starc, Rabada and Amir will rule the roost as far as pace bowling goes, for the next 5-7 years.

 

[Hawkeye]

Starc and Rabada are a level above other pacers IMO.

Both are intimidating for batsmen and fans.

Shoaib Akhtar was more intimidating than Starc. Doesn't automatically make him the GOAT Test bowler.

Starc lacks skills to move the ball that too with discipline, particularly in Tests.

In this match, it's clear who bowled better - who in the history could've matched Amir's spell yesterday? Specially against Smith when he was stuck before the ton?

Hardly a few GOATs.

If you didn't watch it, not my fualt.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Amir proved his blind haters and those who were writing him off wrong.

 

[Aman]

Shoaib Akhtar was more intimidating than Starc. Doesn't automatically make him the GOAT Test bowler.

Starc lacks skills to move the ball that too with discipline, particularly in Tests.

In this match, it's clear who bowled better - who in the history could've matched Amir's spell yesterday? Specially against Smith when he was stuck before the ton?

Hardly a few GOATs.

If you didn't watch it, not my fualt.

Starc averages 27 despite playing most of his cricket on the roads in Aus....

 

[Hawkeye]

Starc averages 27 despite playing most of his cricket on the roads in Aus....

Starc is playing in his favorable conditions - the kind of place where bowlers like Wahab, Starc thrive with their pace and bounce.

Shoaib Akhtar's career average is much lower than what you said above - 25!. Despite playing most of his matches in dead SC tracks.

Look, I'm not saying Starc is some random bowler. But in this match, Amir has been way ahead.

 

[Hawkeye]

Amir proved his blind haters and those who were writing him off wrong.

I haven't seen such a display of skilled bowling in years..

Someone could watch that spell against Smithy over and over and won't get bored.

 

[waleed88]

Good start by Amir with a four-fer and now Starc has a wicket as well. Good start by the two left-armers.

Who will fare better across the three Test matches?

Mohammad Amir has lived upto his billing.. hopefully not his last 4'fer or more for Pakistan this series

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Amir is good but Starc is dangerous, he can seriously hurt people.

 

[Mamoon]

Both Starc and Rabada are in the same league, which is above the league of Amir.

 

[saabir]

Starc is a different level than Amir. People get scared facing starc rather than Amir. Starc is taller, stronger & has better yorker than Amir. Athough Amir is best available option in Pakistan. He is
also a Good bowler

 

[itsme]

Starc averages 27 despite playing most of his cricket on the roads in Aus....

The conditions suits his physical and bowling style.

 

[itsme]

Amir playing starc with ease

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Both were equivalent today.

If you are biased Starc was better.

If you are biased the other way Amir was better.

 

[Indiafan]

Both were equivalent today.

If you are biased Starc was better.

If you are biased the other way Amir was better.

How is taking wickets after the other team already scored 300 equivalent to taking wickets early and helping your team win the match? Indian bowlers always used to do that overseas, taking wickets after opposition scores huge

 

[Usman Chadda]

How is taking wickets after the other team already scored 300 equivalent to taking wickets early and helping your team win the match? Indian bowlers always used to do that overseas, taking wickets after opposition scores huge

Stop making things up. Indian bowlers always get smashed around till the other team declares. Ridiculous insecurity.

Starc and Amir have very different skill-sets. Starc is the more menacing though. Not at his best today and still ran through these inept batsmen.

 

[Adil_94]

we must also take into account Amir is bowling against Aussie bats in their home conditions. While Starc is bowling against players who are poor in these conditions.

 

[Xoib]

this thread will follow the Kohli-Akmal comparison thread

 

[Gilly]

I'm quite happy for Amir to be the better bowler, as long as Starc keeps doing what he does for Australia who cares if he is better than Amir or Morkle or Bhuvi.

 

[Rayyman]

Remember Amir just came back. He could still improve and catch up to Starc. Amir needs more wickets in this series though. This is just the first match. Can't go an innings without picking up a wicket. Then this 4-fer goes to waste. Hopefully he will be economical as always too.

 

[Metron]

Stop this wrist slitting fest, and a string of inaccurate posts. You're hurt over Asif's brilliance, so keep it at that.


Amir already would've run through this Australia side, he got only 4, but should've had at least 6.

He got even Smith out with the ball of the decade!! But no one went for it )

Starc can't produce magic like Amir does, with the ball moving BOTH ways with his will, at pace, the way he kept deceiving Smith, was brilliant to watch.

At least in this match so far, Amir is comfortably ahead.

Water down the hyperbole, bro! " Ball of the decade" )
Almost every bowler suffers dropped catches in his innings, I dont see threads being created in their praises. Players have got to do with whatever teammates they have got. If Amir cannot win games for his team,what good are wickets always in a losing cause.

So many wickets in a losing cause ( 52 in loss / 24 in wins). This match will add to the tally.

 

[Metron]

this thread will follow the Kohli-Akmal comparison thread

Right on the money.
Amir has yet to prove anywhere other than Ultra Green Tracks!
and even on these Green tracks, other pacers seem to perform better than him.

 

[saeedhk]

Starc is in a totally different league compared to Amir. Starc is world class while Amir is an average bowler.

Amir has lost the shine; he has been pretty average since his comeback. He couldn't even take wickets in New Zealand.

 

[Ankit007]

Which class is that? Did he prevent SA walking away with the Test series?

I think you are getting diverted from topic. Its not about SA vs Starc.

Its Amir vs Starc and I think by today's performance, Starc has been better than Amir and sure he is class above all the pacers in the world today along with Rabada....

And surely Starc has won more games for Aus than Amir for Pak...

 

[Fahdi]

Honestly in this match both have been pretty good.

Though I must point out that while Amir was bowling at Australia Starc was bowling against a terrible batting lineup in these conditions.

 

[Slog]

As I said.

Starc is a level above

People can keep deluding themselves

The pace at which he swings is crazy

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Starc likely to have the better series but Amir will overtake him no doubt. His action's improving every series(good work done by Azhar) and starting to regain that leg strength.

 

[Pantani]

Starc's advantage is he can do everything Amir can, only at a better pace, plus he has a stronger fielding unit to back him up.

 

[Convict]

Where is the Hazlewood option?

As the actual best fast bowler playing in this series

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Ameer bowled quite well. I am relieved.


He needs to put on muscle as per need of modern fast bowlers. Than he would be bowling all deliveries at 140+ clicks.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Honestly in this match both have been pretty good.

Though I must point out that while Amir was bowling at Australia Starc was bowling against a terrible batting lineup in these conditions.

The terrible batting line up won 2 Test matches away in England

 

[muqarrab]

Starc nailed the length from the first ball, amir is still a little too short.

 

[Chrish]

Hazlewood has been bowling like a demon on Australian wickets

 

[yasir]

Where is the Hazlewood option?

As the actual best fast bowler playing in this series

Strac was the one who created pressure on field and in the dressing room. Soft dismissal by Babar started the collapse, wicket was taken by HW(freebie), but pressure was created by Strac...Strac will soften the batsmen and HW will take wickets... This will be story of the series as well... They work well together.

 

[Madplayer]

Its absolutely deluded to even compare the two right now. And i am someone who is a big fan of Amir (the 17 yo one). I mean who are you guys fooling? Starc is well and truly ahead in every format of the game.

I dont even want to get into technical stuff but by just looking them one can see that starc looks so much more threatening. Heck amir bowls at 140 but doesnt even look that quick through the air, something shoaib akhtar always talks about. Starc on the other hand looks much quicker through the air.

Basically at this moment, amir is more dependent on setting up the batsman which isnt getting him too many wickets while starc produces sheer brilliance to take wickets which gets him wickets of crucial batsmen not just the unimportant ones.

At present i will take starc 10/10 times ahead of amir in all formats of the game. Amir has a lot of catching up to do.

 

[Fahdi]

The terrible batting line up won 2 Test matches away in England

What part of in "these conditions" you could not comprehend?

Starc I know is a better bowler overall no doubt but as far as this match goes I feel Amir has bowled better.

 

[The Paradox]

Which class is that? Did he prevent SA walking away with the Test series?

World Class.

Able to land the ball in the right areas consistently and swing it, and make the batsmen play.

Something our bowlers including Amir has struggled with a lot.

Starc came back from an injury against South Africa, and didn't bowl that bad against some very good batsmen. Are you implying he should have singlehandedly prevented South Africa from winning?

Let's not compare the likes of Rabada, Starc with Amir, Rahat and co. until the latter actually starts putting up the numbers consistently.

 

[hur rizvi]

There is huge gulf between the two. Starc is a brilliant bowler and this version of Amir is quite average

 

[Mamoon]

Starc is like Waqar. Pure strike bowler who wants to take a wicket with every delivery.

As a result, he will be expensive at times but he will not give breathing space to the batsmen and will run through lineups consistently.

His average and economy rate will always be on the higher side but his strike rate will be great and he will take many, many 5-fers and 10-fers.

An exceptional bowler and Amir is nowhere near his striking ability and does not possess the fear factor. At best, he can become a Trent Boult (pre-injury, but he's getting back to his best now) type bowler.

 

[Speedster777]

Amir should increase his pace.

 

[Mobashir]

In this match Amir was largely better than Starc.

The ranking for this match is :
1. Hazlewood
2. Amir
3. Mahab/Starc

 

[Madplayer]

Starc is like Waqar. Pure strike bowler who wants to take a wicket with every delivery.

As a result, he will be expensive at times but he will not give breathing space to the batsmen and will run through lineups consistently.

His average and economy rate will always be on the higher side but his strike rate will be great and he will take many, many 5-fers and 10-fers.

An exceptional bowler and Amir is nowhere near his striking ability and does not possess the fear factor. At best, he can become a Trent Boult (pre-injury, but he's getting back to his best now) type bowler.

Fear factor. A very well used term. Starc has it,amir doesn't.

 

[rollingstoned]

Love the shape he gets with almost every ball, it was a mystery to me how someone with all the tools at his disposal to rip it up in test cricket struggled so much and looked innocuous and floaty at times until the 2015 world cup.

 

[waleed88]

Starc is like Waqar. Pure strike bowler who wants to take a wicket with every delivery.

As a result, he will be expensive at times but he will not give breathing space to the batsmen and will run through lineups consistently.

His average and economy rate will always be on the higher side but his strike rate will be great and he will take many, many 5-fers and 10-fers.

An exceptional bowler and Amir is nowhere near his striking ability and does not possess the fear factor. At best, he can become a Trent Boult (pre-injury, but he's getting back to his best now) type bowler.

I think fear factor and aggression is used too synonymously with the physical size of the player.. People made this mistake with Mohammad Irfan but he's just a gentle giant..

Saw a few overs from Starc hardly ever gets the banana swing he used to get... he is usually very wayward, tries to be all Mitchell Johnson-y with his bowling style..bowling a few bouncers here and there.. he's forgotten where is strength lied..

Amir and Starc are pretty much equal, both are not living up to their potential... its been quite an underwhelming contest between them.. Starc has looked inferior to Amir in terms of consistency, but like Rahat, Starc gets the odd one to do something extraordinary to get the wicket..

Starc makes more noise than Amir... but it doesn't have the same affect Mitchell Johnson had

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Starc is much better,as of now.

 

[waleed88]

Starc's poor bowling is helped by batsmen who have no idea how to play on this wicket (Pakistani)... His barometer standards lie with his performances against SA, he barely showed throughout the series when a gun bowler like him should've performed when it mattered.. Hazelwood outperformed him, while Starc was taken for runs more often than not..

 

[Madplayer]

I think fear factor and aggression is used too synonymously with the physical size of the player.. People made this mistake with Mohammad Irfan but he's just a gentle giant..

Saw a few overs from Starc hardly ever gets the banana swing he used to get... he is usually very wayward, tries to be all Mitchell Johnson-y with his bowling style..bowling a few bouncers here and there.. he's forgotten where is strength lied..

Amir and Starc are pretty much equal, both are not living up to their potential... its been quite an underwhelming contest between them.. Starc has looked inferior to Amir in terms of consistency, but like Rahat, Starc gets the odd one to do something extraordinary to get the wicket..

Starc makes more noise than Amir... but it doesn't have the same affect Mitchell Johnson had

Dont think size has to do with fear factor always. Dale steyn scared the hell out of batsmen and he isnt big. What a bully he used to be!!

Shoaib akhtar was not that tall either but everyone was scared of him. While brett lee always looked soft evn though he was taller and was equally pacy. Look at morne morkel, the brand ambassador of softies, he is so tall and big.Its about attitude of the fast bowler. Amir is looking too soft at the moment.

 

[waleed88]

Dont think size has to do with fear factor always. Dale steyn scared the hell out of batsmen and he isnt big. What a bully he used to be!!

Shoaib akhtar was not that tall either but everyone was scared of him. While brett lee always looked soft evn though he was taller and was equally pacy. Look at morne morkel, the brand ambassador of softies, he is so tall and big.Its about attitude of the fast bowler. Amir is looking too soft at the moment.

Amir has bowled better than Starc, who has been all over the place... no wonder his economy used to be 3.5-4 vs SA in Test Matches

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Let the average to say everything.

 

[sandsaims]

It is very clear, Amir has more "talent" than starc.

 

[spade]

Both Amir and Starc are exceptional at times and equally erratic but Amir has more control and skill set, while Starc has more pace, eventually i believe the bowler with better skill and control will get more success, for that we have to wait for 5 years to reach a definite conclusion.

Amir has been the best Pakistani bowler
Hazlewood has been the best aussie bowler in the series so far.

 

[Mamoon]

I think fear factor and aggression is used too synonymously with the physical size of the player.. People made this mistake with Mohammad Irfan but he's just a gentle giant..

Saw a few overs from Starc hardly ever gets the banana swing he used to get... he is usually very wayward, tries to be all Mitchell Johnson-y with his bowling style..bowling a few bouncers here and there.. he's forgotten where is strength lied..

Amir and Starc are pretty much equal, both are not living up to their potential... its been quite an underwhelming contest between them.. Starc has looked inferior to Amir in terms of consistency, but like Rahat, Starc gets the odd one to do something extraordinary to get the wicket..

Starc makes more noise than Amir... but it doesn't have the same affect Mitchell Johnson had

To be intimidating, you have to be actually good. Both Irfan and Wahab had the potential to be intimidating, but both are average bowlers. The intimidation factor eventually goes away unless you are a top bowler which Starc is.

Starc will go further than Johnson. He is already a better ODI bowler than he ever was.

 

[StarWolf]

Starc and Rabada are a level above other pacers IMO.

Both are intimidating for batsmen and fans.

Dont know about Rabada but Starc for sure. Its enjoyable to watch him bowl. Amir has lost that bite unfortunately for now.

 

[StarWolf]

Amir has lost good amount of pace since his return. This is a major reason he is not as threatening as Starc.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

I think the only thing Amir is missing is a bit more pace. If he could touch 147-148 Kph at 18 why is he averaging 138-140 at 24. Maybe something to do with rhythm and action.

But IMO Amir's new ball spell against Smith was magic. And this isn't the first time that he has done that. His 2 overs against NZ in 1st or 2nd test were again unplayable and then we all fondly remember THAT spell in Mirpur against India. And he has done all this in multiple countries which proves that it wasn't a fluke.

I'm yet to see such bowling from Starc except that World Cup spell against NZ.

I'd say Amir is ahead atm. Needs to take more wickets tho.

 

[Belawal2014]

Let Amir bowl to these Pakistani batsman and then we'll see..Quality of opposition matters too.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Starc is helped by having Hazelwood and Bird keeping up the pressure.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Amir has lost good amount of pace since his return. This is a major reason he is not as threatening as Starc.

This was Amir's level even before his ban. He would average at 136-140 km/hr and the odd delivery would be 145-148 km/hr.

 

[Hawkeye]

I think the only thing Amir is missing is a bit more pace. If he could touch 147-148 Kph at 18 why is he averaging 138-140 at 24. Maybe something to do with rhythm and action.

But IMO Amir's new ball spell against Smith was magic. And this isn't the first time that he has done that. His 2 overs against NZ in 1st or 2nd test were again unplayable and then we all fondly remember THAT spell in Mirpur against India. And he has done all this in multiple countries which proves that it wasn't a fluke.

I'm yet to see such bowling from Starc except that World Cup spell against NZ.

I'd say Amir is ahead atm. Needs to take more wickets tho.

Amir was always bowling his best at 135-140 kph mark. Watch the England spell. Or Australia spells.

In this match so far, he has been going above 140 kph multiple times, just like his previous tour to Australia.

Pace isn't an issue, rhythm is. And in this match, like you said, he has bowled BEAUTIFULLY... Wasim-esque spell that was! I'm not sure if [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] watched that, but if you don't think it was magical, particularly the one against Smith, you're just not being truthful.

Starc isn't as skillful, but pace and bounce is going for him. In the long run, a good skill set, control and decent pace will yield you more success.

 

[Mamoon]

Amir was always bowling his best at 135-140 kph mark. Watch the England spell. Or Australia spells.

In this match so far, he has been going above 140 kph multiple times, just like his previous tour to Australia.

Pace isn't an issue, rhythm is. And in this match, like you said, he has bowled BEAUTIFULLY... Wasim-esque spell that was! I'm not sure if [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] watched that, but if you don't think it was magical, particularly the one against Smith, you're just not being truthful.

Starc isn't as skillful, but pace and bounce is going for him. In the long run, a good skill set, control and decent pace will yield you more success.

It was a good spell but calling it Wasim-esque is pushing it. Amir has bowled well in this game, it has been one of his better performances, but he is not comparable to Starc. He is well below him.

Every Amir fan will swap him with Starc in a second, no matter how much they claim that Amir is more talented/skillful etc. etc.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

This was Amir's level even before his ban. He would average at 136-140 km/hr and the odd delivery would be 145-148 km/hr.

Incorrect. Amir bowled 145k+ spells consistently in Australia and brought his pace down in England to obtain control. In LOIs, he was always 140k+.

Amir's drop in pace is due to loss in muscle strength which he's starting to regain and action not being as refined. Both of which have improved every series hence the gradual increase in pace. He's bowled 140k+ consistently here.

 

[Hasan123]

Starc is the better bowler ATM. Starc is a bowler who i fear especially in LO and can run through an opposition batting line up. He bowls some loose stuff at times but this is because he is looking to get wickets every ball.

Amir is good and seems to be improving. Backed him since day one of his return , hope he can bowl as well as he did in the 1st innings to shut the haters up.

 

[yasir]

Lets see how AUS bowl today at day time. So far they have been bowling at best possible time, in both innings Pakistan batting started near night session... Yesterday when Starc and HW started in day light, even Amir was playing them with ease...

In ODI Strac is head and shoulder above everybody else, he is an ATG. In test, he is good, but not as versatile as he is in ODI...

When we compare Strac, Rabada and Amir, right now Amir is lagging behind, he need to get his pace up an extra 5 clicks before he get into the category of other two... Next year, I am hoping Amir will get to that level...

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Amir has been bowling well in Australia, once again his figures have been decimated by poor field catching. I'm a fan of Starc so don't want to compare the two, I'm just happy that Amir is looking more and more like his old self.

 

[Xoib]

Amir can never bowl that delivery that Asad got from Starc insane bowler is Starc.

 

[IAJ]

Amir can never bowl that delivery that Asad got from Starc insane bowler is Starc.

Lol, Irfan could have bowled that delivery even better than Starc, doesn't make Irfan a better bowler than Starc.
Starc is taller than Amir and will get more bounce than Amir and it was namely the bounce which got Asad out.

In my opinion Amir still needs another year to be back at his best and in long term he will become better than Starc.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol, Irfan could have bowled that delivery even better than Starc, doesn't make Irfan a better bowler than Starc.
Starc is taller than Amir and will get more bounce than Amir and it was namely the bounce which got Asad out.

In my opinion Amir still needs another year to be back at his best and in long term he will become better than Starc.

It is about the big moments more than individual deliveries. Australia needed something special to dislodge Shafiq and Starc stood up for them.

Would like to see Amir do something similar in big moments. He goes missing and lacks impact far too often.

 

[waleed88]

The most beautiful sight was Mohammad Amir slapping boundaries on Mitchell Starc, the look on Starc's face told you everything... Amir won the battle for now

 

[Xoib]

The most beautiful sight was Mohammad Amir slapping boundaries on Mitchell Starc, the look on Starc's face told you everything... Amir won the battle for now

Starc won the test for his side that what matters in the end their bowling in this test was at pat but Starc won the big moments so he leads as for now.

 

[waleed88]

Starc won the test for his side that what matters in the end their bowling in this test was at pat but Starc won the big moments so he leads as for now.

After his team conceding 450 runs.. I think he should be ashamed of himself, he was getting beat by the worst tail in the world..