Mob Enters Heritage Madrasa In Karnataka On Dussehra, Performs Puja

[MenInG]

A mob participating in a procession for Dussehra allegedly broke into a heritage madrasa in Bidar district of Karnataka. They shouted slogans and even performed a puja in a corner of the building. A police case has been registered against nine people, but no arrest has been made yet. Muslim organisations have promised protests if no arrests are made by tomorrow.

Built in the 1460s, the Mahmud Gawan Madrasa in Bidar comes under the Archeological Survey of India. The heritage structure is also under the list of monuments of national importance.

Police said the mob broke the lock of the madrasa on Wednesday evening.

They shouted "Jai Shri Ram" and "Hindu Dharam Jai" slogans, standing on the stairs of the madrassa, before moving to a corner to perform a puja. Videos from the spot that are circulating online shows a huge crowd standing on the stairs, trying to get inside the building.

An officer of the local police said a case has been registered against nine persons, but no one has been arrested yet.

Several Muslim organisations from Bidar have condemned the incident and held protests, demanding the arrest of the perpetrators. They have warned that a massive protest will be held after Friday prayers if the accused are not arrested.

Asaduddin Owaisi, the chief of All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen, hit out at the state's ruling BJP over the incident, accusing it of promoting such incidents to "demean Muslims".

Critics have accused the BJP of turning parts of the state into a crucible for communal experiments. The allegations started after the row on hijab, and spiked as Hindu groups insisted on banning Muslim traders from temple fairs.

In August, Ganesh Chaturthi was celebrated at Hubballi's Idgah ground.

NDTV

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Visuals from historic Mahmud Gawan masjid & madrasa, Bidar, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Karnataka?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Karnataka</a> (5th October). Extremists broke the gate lock & attempted to desecrate. <a href="https://twitter.com/Bidar_Police?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bidar_police</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BSBommai?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BSBommai</a> how can you allow this to happen? BJP is promoting such activity only to demean Muslims <a href="https://t.co/WDw1Gd1b93">pic.twitter.com/WDw1Gd1b93</a></p>— Asaduddin Owaisi (@asadowaisi) <a href="https://twitter.com/asadowaisi/status/1578040642386567174?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[sweep_shot]

Absolutely vile.

I wonder how BJP cheerleaders here would spin this.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The police have deployed security near the site. Sources said that devotees of Bhavani Mandir every year perform a symbolic pooja during Dussehra near Gawan Madrasa, which once housed a peepal tree. Devotees are known to break coconuts near the Madrasa. While the members of Muslim community alleged that the structure has been damaged due to the breaking of coconuts, the police officials are yet to confirm the same.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indian...a-in-karnataka-9-persons-booked-8194200/lite/


It seems the tradition was to perform symbolic pooja and break coconuts near the madrasa as a holy peepul tree stood in the madrasa once.

This time some criminals went inside. Strict action needs to be taken against these people.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I think another partition is urgently needed.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The police have deployed security near the site. Sources said that devotees of Bhavani Mandir every year perform a symbolic pooja during Dussehra near Gawan Madrasa, which once housed a peepal tree. Devotees are known to break coconuts near the Madrasa. While the members of Muslim community alleged that the structure has been damaged due to the breaking of coconuts, the police officials are yet to confirm the same.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indian...a-in-karnataka-9-persons-booked-8194200/lite/


It seems the tradition was to perform symbolic pooja and break coconuts near the madrasa as a holy peepul tree stood in the madrasa once.

This time some criminals went inside. Strict action needs to be taken against these people.

Maybe the police lining them up , beating them with a stick while Muslims line up to add to the beatings?

 

[Zaz]

Are these people going to get whipped too by the police like the muslims were in the other thread? Thought not

 

[ZafarKhan2022]

A mob participating in a procession for Dussehra allegedly broke into a heritage madrasa in Bidar district of Karnataka. They shouted slogans and even performed a puja in a corner of the building. A police case has been registered against nine people, but no arrest has been made yet. Muslim organisations have promised protests if no arrests are made by tomorrow.

Built in the 1460s, the Mahmud Gawan Madrasa in Bidar comes under the Archeological Survey of India. The heritage structure is also under the list of monuments of national importance.

Police said the mob broke the lock of the madrasa on Wednesday evening.

They shouted "Jai Shri Ram" and "Hindu Dharam Jai" slogans, standing on the stairs of the madrassa, before moving to a corner to perform a puja. Videos from the spot that are circulating online shows a huge crowd standing on the stairs, trying to get inside the building.

An officer of the local police said a case has been registered against nine persons, but no one has been arrested yet.

Several Muslim organisations from Bidar have condemned the incident and held protests, demanding the arrest of the perpetrators. They have warned that a massive protest will be held after Friday prayers if the accused are not arrested.

Asaduddin Owaisi, the chief of All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen, hit out at the state's ruling BJP over the incident, accusing it of promoting such incidents to "demean Muslims".

Critics have accused the BJP of turning parts of the state into a crucible for communal experiments. The allegations started after the row on hijab, and spiked as Hindu groups insisted on banning Muslim traders from temple fairs.

In August, Ganesh Chaturthi was celebrated at Hubballi's Idgah ground.

NDTV

The foresight of the Quaid and the stature of what the Quaid accomplished seem larger by the day. Thank you Quaid-e-Azam.

 

[Bewal Express]

A mob participating in a procession for Dussehra allegedly broke into a heritage madrasa in Bidar district of Karnataka. They shouted slogans and even performed a puja in a corner of the building. A police case has been registered against nine people, but no arrest has been made yet. Muslim organisations have promised protests if no arrests are made by tomorrow.

Built in the 1460s, the Mahmud Gawan Madrasa in Bidar comes under the Archeological Survey of India. The heritage structure is also under the list of monuments of national importance.

Police said the mob broke the lock of the madrasa on Wednesday evening.

They shouted "Jai Shri Ram" and "Hindu Dharam Jai" slogans, standing on the stairs of the madrassa, before moving to a corner to perform a puja. Videos from the spot that are circulating online shows a huge crowd standing on the stairs, trying to get inside the building.

An officer of the local police said a case has been registered against nine persons, but no one has been arrested yet.

Several Muslim organisations from Bidar have condemned the incident and held protests, demanding the arrest of the perpetrators. They have warned that a massive protest will be held after Friday prayers if the accused are not arrested.

Asaduddin Owaisi, the chief of All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen, hit out at the state's ruling BJP over the incident, accusing it of promoting such incidents to "demean Muslims".

Critics have accused the BJP of turning parts of the state into a crucible for communal experiments. The allegations started after the row on hijab, and spiked as Hindu groups insisted on banning Muslim traders from temple fairs.

In August, Ganesh Chaturthi was celebrated at Hubballi's Idgah ground.

NDTV

Pesky Muslims complaining about Hindus breaking into their Madrassahs.

 

[rhony]

The police have deployed security near the site. Sources said that devotees of Bhavani Mandir every year perform a symbolic pooja during Dussehra near Gawan Madrasa, which once housed a peepal tree. Devotees are known to break coconuts near the Madrasa. While the members of Muslim community alleged that the structure has been damaged due to the breaking of coconuts, the police officials are yet to confirm the same.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indian...a-in-karnataka-9-persons-booked-8194200/lite/


It seems the tradition was to perform symbolic pooja and break coconuts near the madrasa as a holy peepul tree stood in the madrasa once.

This time some criminals went inside. Strict action needs to be taken against these people.

Question is, why are we seeing this heightened aggression in the last few days? BJP is supposed to be smarter with optics. The public lashing and now this. How will it help?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Question is, why are we seeing this heightened aggression in the last few days? BJP is supposed to be smarter with optics. The public lashing and now this. How will it help?

Hindu Muslim confrontation are common in India.

Last month we saw how a muslim guy killed cows in a shelter by supplying poisonous fodder.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.time...accused-arrested/amp_articleshow/93465637.cms

In another incident a muslim guy killed 10 cows, some of them pregnant by electrocuting them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fi...-at-gaushala-in-maharashtra-11153951.html/amp

 

[cricketjoshila]

I think another partition is urgently needed.

One was done in 1947. If muslims wanted they should have gone to pakistan.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

One was done in 1947. If muslims wanted they should have gone to pakistan.

They were sucked in by the promise of secularism and are now badly suffering for their naivety.

Unfortunately in modern India they are beaten black and blue while Hindu gangs enjoy police protection.

 

[rhony]

Hindu Muslim confrontation are common in India.

Last month we saw how a muslim guy killed cows in a shelter by supplying poisonous fodder.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.time...accused-arrested/amp_articleshow/93465637.cms

In another incident a muslim guy killed 10 cows, some of them pregnant by electrocuting them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fi...-at-gaushala-in-maharashtra-11153951.html/amp

But that's about animals. These recent incidents are about people. Flogging in public is an absolute travesty as we usually see them in Taliban regimes. I hope BJP leadership does something about this. This is gaining steam and is an absolute nightmare for Indian PR

 

[cricketjoshila]

But that's about animals. These recent incidents are about people. Flogging in public is an absolute travesty as we usually see them in Taliban regimes. I hope BJP leadership does something about this. This is gaining steam and is an absolute nightmare for Indian PR

Killing a cow, which holy to Hindus by deliberate poisoning and electrocution is a hate crime against the religion.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They were sucked in by the promise of secularism and are now badly suffering for their naivety.

Unfortunately in modern India they are beaten black and blue while Hindu gangs enjoy police protection.

Who promised them secularism? Please show some evidence that it was promised to muslims in 1947 that India would be a secular country if they dont migrate to pakistan.

Secularism was not finalized as being

 

[cricketjoshila]

India became secular in 1950. Before that the matter was debated in the constituent assembly. So who made this promise to muslims?

 

[KingKhanWC]

One was done in 1947. If muslims wanted they should have gone to pakistan.

What about now, would you like to them all to go to Pakistan?

Then there wouldnt be a need to break into Madrasas, they could take over and do bhangra all night?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

India became secular in 1950. Before that the matter was debated in the constituent assembly. So who made this promise to muslims?

It was implied.

However, sadly it seems that the dream has fallen apart.

Here is Nehru's speech in 1948

. Do we believe in a national State which includes people of all religions and shades of opinion and is essentially secular as a State, or do we believe in the religious, theocratic conception of a State which regards people of other faiths as somebody beyond the pale? That is an odd question to ask, for the idea of a religious or theocratic State was given up by the world some centuries ago and has no place in the mind of the modern man. And yet the question has to be put in India today, for many of us have tried to jump back to a past age. I have no doubt that whatever our individual answers may be, it is not possible for us to go back to a conception that the world has outlived and that is completely out of tune with modern conceptions. As far as India is concerned, I can speak with some certainty. We shall proceed on secular and national lines in keeping with the powerful trends towards internationalism.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

A mob participating in a procession for Dussehra allegedly broke into a heritage madrasa in Bidar district of Karnataka. They shouted slogans and even performed a puja in a corner of the building. A police case has been registered against nine people, but no arrest has been made yet. Muslim organisations have promised protests if no arrests are made by tomorrow.

Built in the 1460s, the Mahmud Gawan Madrasa in Bidar comes under the Archeological Survey of India. The heritage structure is also under the list of monuments of national importance.

Police said the mob broke the lock of the madrasa on Wednesday evening.

They shouted "Jai Shri Ram" and "Hindu Dharam Jai" slogans, standing on the stairs of the madrassa, before moving to a corner to perform a puja. Videos from the spot that are circulating online shows a huge crowd standing on the stairs, trying to get inside the building.

An officer of the local police said a case has been registered against nine persons, but no one has been arrested yet.

Several Muslim organisations from Bidar have condemned the incident and held protests, demanding the arrest of the perpetrators. They have warned that a massive protest will be held after Friday prayers if the accused are not arrested.

Asaduddin Owaisi, the chief of All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen, hit out at the state's ruling BJP over the incident, accusing it of promoting such incidents to "demean Muslims".

Critics have accused the BJP of turning parts of the state into a crucible for communal experiments. The allegations started after the row on hijab, and spiked as Hindu groups insisted on banning Muslim traders from temple fairs.

In August, Ganesh Chaturthi was celebrated at Hubballi's Idgah ground.

NDTV

Whatever god these heinous people worship, must be proud of them.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Killing a cow, which holy to Hindus by deliberate poisoning and electrocution is a hate crime against the religion.

The issue isn't with the act itself.

The 3rd world is full of crazy people.

The issue is when the state changes its methods of punishment depending on the religion of the perpetrator.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It was implied.

However, sadly it seems that the dream has fallen apart.

Here is Nehru's speech in 1948

. Do we believe in a national State which includes people of all religions and shades of opinion and is essentially secular as a State, or do we believe in the religious, theocratic conception of a State which regards people of other faiths as somebody beyond the pale? That is an odd question to ask, for the idea of a religious or theocratic State was given up by the world some centuries ago and has no place in the mind of the modern man. And yet the question has to be put in India today, for many of us have tried to jump back to a past age. I have no doubt that whatever our individual answers may be, it is not possible for us to go back to a conception that the world has outlived and that is completely out of tune with modern conceptions. As far as India is concerned, I can speak with some certainty. We shall proceed on secular and national lines in keeping with the powerful trends towards internationalism.

Implied by whom? I am yet to see any document that says promise was made to muslims before or during partition that India would be secular.

You are posting a speech from 1948. Long after partition was done and dusted. If i am not wrong, this speech was even after the draft constitution was formed.

No promise was made to Muslims before the partition. They were free to leave India in 1947, but they decided to stay.

Its another matter that the constituent assembly decided that India would be secular.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What about now, would you like to them all to go to Pakistan?

Then there wouldnt be a need to break into Madrasas, they could take over and do bhangra all night?

What about what? Some people broke the law and police has filed a FIR. The culprits should be brought to book.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I have seen that many pakistanis make this assumption that some kind of promise was given to muslims that after partition India would ne secular. I am yet to find any such source.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Implied by whom? I am yet to see any document that says promise was made to muslims before or during partition that India would be secular.

You are posting a speech from 1948. Long after partition was done and dusted. If i am not wrong, this speech was even after the draft constitution was formed.

No promise was made to Muslims before the partition. They were free to leave India in 1947, but they decided to stay.

Its another matter that the constituent assembly decided that India would be secular.

Why would they stay if they thought they were going to subjugated by a Hindu majority?

The main opponents to partition (Hindu & Muslim) presented emotional arguments about how we lived together side by side and can do so again once the British left.

The fact that it was mentioned as early as 1947 and adopted in 1950 shows that it reflected the general mood of the public at the time. It's not like secularism was a theory plucked out of thin air - it was widely accepted in practice and then codified.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What about what? Some people broke the law and police has filed a FIR. The culprits should be brought to book.

200 Muslims fear and mistrust the Hindu extremist government, should they fight back ,civil war, move to Pakistan or have their own separate land?

It happened before, so why not now?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Shashi Tharoor mentioned that the creation of Pakistan was a partition of Indias soil whereas the BJP government and Modi are undertaking a partition of India's soul.

 

[cricketjoshila]

200 Muslims fear and mistrust the Hindu extremist government, should they fight back ,civil war, move to Pakistan or have their own separate land? Of course the veggie extremists wont be able to cleanse them.

It happened before, so why not now?

The world and India doesn't run as per the whims of muslims.

They had the choice of moving to a muslim majority Islamic country in 1947. They decided to stay in a hindu majority country. They decided their fate, just like those hindus who decided to stay back in pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why would they stay if they thought they were going to subjugated by a Hindu majority?

The main opponents to partition (Hindu & Muslim) presented emotional arguments about how we lived together side by side and can do so again once the British left.

The fact that it was mentioned as early as 1947 and adopted in 1950 shows that it reflected the general mood of the public at the time. It's not like secularism was a theory plucked out of thin air - it was widely accepted in practice and then codified.

You have to go ask muslims in 1947, why they stayed.

Show me the documents that say it was decided before partition thst India would be a secular country.

What you are stating is your opinion, not documentary evidence of such a promise being made.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

You have to go ask muslims in 1947, why they stayed.

Show me the documents that say it was decided before partition thst India would be a secular country.

What you are stating is your opinion, not documentary evidence of such a promise being made.

It's a matter of opinion held by the majority of India excluding RW groups. Jinnah saw through it and thankfully so did my ancestors.

If not secularism, what sort of India do you think was on the cards at the time?

 

[KingKhanWC]

The world and India doesn't run as per the whims of muslims.

They had the choice of moving to a muslim majority Islamic country in 1947. They decided to stay in a hindu majority country. They decided their fate, just like those hindus who decided to stay back in pakistan.

Let’s be honest if the RSS/BJP extremists could they would, but nobody is scared of them, not even Indian Muslims.

So your solution is not treat them fairly but let them suffer.

I can see in 50 years Muslims once again ruling your backsides.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lets be honest if the RSS/BJP extremists could they would, but nobody is scared of veggie extremists, not even Indian Muslims.

So your solution is not treat them fairly but let them suffer.

I can see in 50 years Muslims once again ruling your backsides.

Muslims in India will be treated as any other religion, not as a special catagory.

 

[alone1213]

I would like all these Hindus to be tied up and beat them with sticks.

It's a common practice in India apparently.

 

[in_cutter]

Hindutva are despicable folk

 

[SalimBhai]

Hindutva=Islamist.

 

[Justcrazy]

This is politically motivated , not religious. BJP is anti nation in its ideology , rotten to the core.

 

[Suleiman]

Hindu Muslim confrontation are common in India.

Last month we saw how a muslim guy killed cows in a shelter by supplying poisonous fodder.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.time...accused-arrested/amp_articleshow/93465637.cms

In another incident a muslim guy killed 10 cows, some of them pregnant by electrocuting them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fi...-at-gaushala-in-maharashtra-11153951.html/amp

Yes, cows and chickens should be slaughtered in an acceptable way. But this is hardly the time to bring it up. You’ve compared torture of a cow to a torture of a human.

I refuse to believe that any person can be this brainwashed by the propaganda fed to them by their government.

 

[PakLFC]

Quaid was a genius who had the ability to foresee the future. The likes of their Maulana Azad who opposed the creation of Pakistan must be turning in his grave. Now everyday something like this is happening in India that it doesn't even surprise anyone. Overall this is a great thing for Pakistan that India faces more of such internal disputes which at the very least keeps them occupied.

The Muslim's of India who are being bombarded online by hate mail are totally helpless here. They are so defensive sending smiley emoticons to answer swear words and threats on social media. Daily now the Hindu's are targeting some Muslim place of worship with the clear intention of picking a fight with them. Soon Indian Muslims will either have to fight for their dignity or convert to Hinduism. As long as Pak stays out i care little about what happens in India.

 

[PakLFC]

If Hindu's are comparing this incident to Muslim's killing cows then why does India export beef to the Gulf in such high numbers. So it's okay for Arab Muslim's to consume Indian beef but not Indian Muslim's.

 

[MenInG]

Hindutva=Islamist.

Islamist is a term invented by Tony Blair.

No such thing exists in real life.

 

[rhony]

One doesn't become iron man or batman if they eat meat. We are all average, absolutely average human beings in intelligence, strength. When we perish, the world doesn't stop a beat.

Indian Muslims are scared and we should all worry about that. Indian Muslims have been with Indian govt on major issues that could have blown up. If the Muslims in rest of India opposed article 370 abrogation, India would have been a mess with chaos. But that didn't happen. Many supported the move. BJP is trying to favor Pasmanda Muslims and there are a few laws in the making. However, the lower level hindu thugs need to be reigned in. It's part of the Hindu Muslim fault lines that existed for centuries. No, last I heard the moghul descendents are living on pension from sanitary jobs in India. Nobody is claiming the throne.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Hindu Muslim confrontation are common in India.

Last month we saw how a muslim guy killed cows in a shelter by supplying poisonous fodder.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.time...accused-arrested/amp_articleshow/93465637.cms

In another incident a muslim guy killed 10 cows, some of them pregnant by electrocuting them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fi...-at-gaushala-in-maharashtra-11153951.html/amp

Even here you are only highlighting how muslims are doing these things. And who is stopping you from creating those threads? You act as if you have never created any threads on such issues. Everyone here knows you only reply in those threads where it suits your agenda.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

India has been consistently heading towards a dangerous place for decades.

After 2002 Muslim massacre in Gujarat, Bal Thackeray then leader of the extremist group Shiv Sena said:

"Muslims are a cancer to this country
Cancer is an incurable disease.
Its only cure is operation.
O Hindus, take weapons in your hands and remove this cancer from your roots".

Pravin Togadia, international president of the Vishva Hindu Prishad (VHP) said:

"All Hindutva opponents will get death sentence" (I am afraid he may have included Muslims, Christians, Sikhs or even Hindus etc. here)

Ashok Singhal the local president of VHP said that Gujarat was a "successful experiment" which would be repeated nationwide.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

The sad part is news like this one are totally unsurprising and expected.

 

[James]

One was done in 1947. If muslims wanted they should have gone to pakistan.

So Indian Muslims, 170 millions Indians, are unwelcome in India according to you.

 

[James]

Shashi Tharoor mentioned that the creation of Pakistan was a partition of Indias soil whereas the BJP government and Modi are undertaking a partition of India's soul.

Very astute quotation from an articulate man.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So Indian Muslims, 170 millions Indians, are unwelcome in India according to you.

A pakistani believes muslims in India should get a separate country. I pointed out that they did get one in 1947 and had the choice to go there. Many decided to stay back, rejecting the idea of pakistan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Hindutva=Islamist.

Fine, every time you post on an Islam thread I will redirect it to Hindutva.

 

[SalimBhai]

Islamist is a term invented by Tony Blair.

No such thing exists in real life.

Not true. Many people refer to themselves as Islamist. Erdogan refers to his party at Islamist

 

[James]

A pakistani believes muslims in India should get a separate country. I pointed out that they did get one in 1947 and had the choice to go there. Many decided to stay back, rejecting the idea of pakistan.

Amongst that 170 million people a lot of them were not alive in 1947.

 

[rhony]

Amongst that 170 million people a lot of them were not alive in 1947.

Those 170 mil aren't asking for a separate country. Heck even Kashmiris aren't asking for a separate country these days

 

[cricketjoshila]

Amongst that 170 million people a lot of them were not alive in 1947.

How does that matter? Every few decades muslims cannot ask for a new country. The world doesn't live as per their whims.

Muslims had the choice in 1947, many stayed back.Infact many came back to India after few years.Now as per you their descendants should get another country.

Again many will stay back. Again after some decades someone like you will say oh these descendants should be given a country.

Where will be the rest of people who are 80 per cent plus majority go?

This game isn't going to work.

 

[MenInG]

Seems that from just casual arguments on a forum, some have moved on to proper threats etc against Muslims.

Not happening on PP

 

[James]

Seems that from just casual arguments on a forum, some have moved on to proper threats etc against Muslims.

Not happening on PP

Yes

Some very disturbing and barely veiled threats