Moeen Ali claims an Australia player called him 'Osama' during 2015 Ashes

[Mamoon]

Serena Williams is a Champion and you still call her as someone playing the victim card. It shows you can never be good enough if you're not the Majority, for people like you. As for Serena, her point was valid, her way of going about it wrong

A champion who was shockingly under the pump in front of her home crowd thanks to a 20 year old Japanese. She had to vent her anger somehow. What better way than to play the discrimination card?

Her point was not valid at all. Even if the umpire made a mistake, there was nothing sexist about it. Many male players have also been wronged by umpires in the past, so was that sexist as well?

If a male players is wronged, it is a mistake. If a female player is wronged, it is sexism. You see, that is my problem. I am in no way implying that sexism does not exist, but there was zero evidence that the umpire was being sexist against Serena.

Go to YT and you will find videos of almost every top male player from Federer to Nadal to Djokovic getting wronged by umpires. What sort of discrimination was that?

 

[kingusama92]

Look at Serena Williams for example. A sore loser who played the feminist card to deflect the blame.

I am not saying that Moeen is lying; I am saying that there is no reason to take his words at face value. Australian accent can be awkward for non-Australian ears, perhaps he misheard him. I highly doubt that any Australian player would randomly call Moeen Osama or whatever.

People who fish for discrimination often hear and see what they want to, and can turn anything into abuse, and I say this with deep regret that I find Moeen to be someone who thrives in such controversies. I accept all the criticism that has come (or will come) my way for this statement, but this is how I feel.

That is all I have to say on this matter, I don’t have anything further to add.

Tough to compare the two incidents.

Serena's case was implied sexism where the umpire didn't actually make a sexist remark. Much different to the "Osama" sledge, which leaves little room for doubt.

 

[Hamad_H]

[MENTION=5706]NeVerMind[/MENTION] and others

I am not interested in his heroics in the English domestic T20 Cup that has zero relevance outside England.

I saw him get verbally bullied in Australia and he couldn’t answer with either bat or ball. By the end of the Ashes, he was completely disintegrated mentally and was thus subsequently dropped.

That doesn’t like a player with strong mentality and character.

I am not a fan of Moeen the player, but I do admire some of his qualities - he plays the game with good spirit and doesn’t take his success or failures too seriously, but at the same time, he tends to perform best when he is under no pressure and is making a comeback. However, once people start expecting him to perform consistently, the wheels come off.

Last summer, no one expected anything from him against South Africa, and he produced a MoS performance. People expected him to carry some semblance of that form to Australia, but he turned out to be a busted tyre who could not handle the sledging (or the abuse) of the Australians.

When he made his return against India in the fourth Test, much like last year, not much was expected from him, but he delivered. As a result, people are expecting him to show consistency now, so it won’t be surprising if his performances go south again. This cycle has been repeated quite a few times now, which is why he has never really managed to nail down a permanent place in the team.

People can say what they want about me, and they can also judge me if they want, which is perfectly fine because that is their prerogative. Furthermore, I intend no disrespect or offense, but I also do not have much sympathy or empathy for Moeen.

He complains a little too much about getting targeted by the opposition and the fans but does not perform consistently enough.

Maybe it is time for his to let his performances talk more than his victimization, and perhaps he should take a leaf out of Hashim Amla’s book, a far better player who has been no less an advert for Islam than Moeen but has never made noise about people giving him a hard time because of his faith.

I am not an apologist for discrimination of any kind and neither am I the type of person who will blame a rape victim for being at fault. As a doctor, I have been trained to value human life and health.

However, I also have the capacity to look at the bigger picture and understand that these issues are extremely, extremely easy to exploit.

I am not denying that these are not real world problems, but the matter of fact is that quite a few people play these cards whenever things do not go their way. I am not saying that Moeen is lying etc., I am making a general comment.

Even if someone lies about being discriminated against - or even if a girl lies about being abused - 99/100 people will assume that they are telling the truth because these things happen and are actually quite commonplace, and this is how people play the victim card.

Hence, I do not take these things at face value and do not side with the so-called victim unless they can come up with proper evidence and facts.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

I can see that you're a man of hard facts and anything else is simply rejected, "Innocent until proven guilty" but no-one would admit to saying something like that and Moeen is not going to be wearing a microphone waiting for someone to racially abuse him.

But come on, I know that Moeen would not say something like that if he wasn't sure and he knows as Muslim public figure how serious racial discrimination is. I think any Muslim who lives in a non-Muslim country knows not to say anything if they were unsure. If he was unsure about whether it was "Osama" or "Part-timer", he would not say anything to anyone as it is a serious allegation and he knows it would be wrong for him to say anything to anyone but he must've been sure if he was telling team-mates about it.

What angers me about your posts is that from what I undestand, please correct me if I am wrong, is not that you are saying maybe Moeen is lying but he doesn't deserve to complain about being abused because he isn't a good enough cricketer like Amla. Also like I said earlier, Amla may have been abused and not said anything because he doesn't have trust in the authorities or he simply doesn't take it to heart. But just because a better player doesn't complain, doesn't mean Moeen shouldn't complain, if anything both should make noise about it. Discrimination is discrimination no matter how skilled you are at your job.

Moeen wants to be more than just a player and Amla doesn't. Fair play to both of them for their choice but it seems you are criticizing Moeen for trying to become a role model on and off the pitch for young British Pakistanis. His wristband in support of Gaza, his story of coming from a poorer background in Birmingham and other things he highlights is important to show. Before Rashid came into the Test team, Moeen was to only non-privately educated player in the Test team which shows the state of cricket in England. He is important to England cricket and his story needs to be told to inspire people.

If you criticize Moeen raising awareness for causes he believes in even if you don't agree with them, you are the same kind of person that condemns the NFL players kneeling against police brutality or the same kind of person that would've condemned Muhammad Ali's stance on war and politics since they are sportsmen and should just concentrate on playing sport and nothing else. Yes I know the difference in magnitude of the different protests but the point is valid nevertheless and if anything these stances are noble ones to take, especially if consider the potential backlash

I understand this is a long post but as a young British Pakistani myself, I greatly admire Moeen for not only his performances but for his story and background. Just look at the comments under England's latest Instagram post and you can see for yourself the state of some people's attitudes towards a Muslim in the public eye.

 

[Bilal7]

He can't because he cannot prove anything. Maligning someone publicly without any proof will backfire big time.
He knows it very well.

Well, he must have some proof that he has provided to his coach which is why CA are launching an investigation. I'm not sure if they can pull the recording from the stump microphones from that match but something will be done.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Well, he must have some proof that he has provided to his coach which is why CA are launching an investigation. I'm not sure if they can pull the recording from the stump microphones from that match but something will be done.

I wonder why Moeen isn't mentioning the abuser's name now that he's talking about it? If CA finds nothing after the investigation and Moeen doesn't say anything about who did it, then what are we too assume about this whole issue?

 

[ameemlutfi]

The deeeply colonized mindset as reflected in the victim shamers posts is to be expected. Pakistani men somehow always side with the oppressors. Like true coward, only concerned about themselves, they invariably side with power. Apney ajdaad ki mirass hai mazoor hai hum.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

There is simply no excuse for racism. Whether he is selling a book or not is besides the point. The point is that he was racially abused and saying that he is playing the victim card is frankly a shameful way to look past the problem of racism and Islamophobia, which is becoming rampant even in sport

 

[cricketjoshila]

[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

Is it confirmed that he brought this to the notice of the ECB?

 

[MenInG]

[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

Is it confirmed that he brought this to the notice of the ECB?

I have read some tweets from journos who are claiming he told ECB.

 

[MenInG]

Moeen Ali's allegation that the England all-rounder was called "Osama" by an Australian player during the 2015 Ashes will be investigated by Cricket Australia.

The alleged abuse took place in the first Test of the series in Cardiff, in which Ali made his Ashes debut - scoring 77 runs and taking five wickets as England beat Australia.

The claims appeared in an excerpt of his autobiography published in Saturday's edition of The Times ahead of its release.

"It was a great first Ashes Test in terms of my personal performance, however there was one incident which had distracted me," he wrote.

"An Australian player turned to me on the field and said, 'Take that, Osama'. I could not believe what I had heard. I remember going really red. I have never been so angry on a cricket field."

The player involved denied making the slur when confronted about it.

"I told a couple of the guys what the player had said to me and I think (England coach) Trevor Bayliss must have raised it with Darren Lehmann, the Australians' coach," Ali added.

"Lehmann asked the player, 'Did you call Moeen Osama?' He denied it, saying, 'No, I said, "Take that, you part-timer"'.

Cricket Australia is investigating
"I must say I was amused when I heard that for there is a world of difference between the words 'Osama' and 'part-timer'.

"Although I couldn't have mistaken 'part-timer' for 'Osama', obviously I had to take the player's word for it, though for the rest of the match I was angry."

Ali says that after the series, during which he said the Australia team "refused to talk to or even acknowledge us", he spoke to the player.

Ali said: "He came up to me and said, 'I know what you thought I said, but I didn't say that. I've got Muslim friends and some of my best friends are Muslims'.

"I did not argue with him. But I was so clear that is what he said. Why should I invent it out of the blue? I've got nothing against him.

I have never had any fights with him before. I did not even know the guy. And I thought his denial was a standard response."

A Cricket Australia spokesperson said: "Remarks of this nature are unacceptable and have no place in our sport, or in society.

https://news.sky.com/story/england-cricketer-moeen-ali-i-was-called-osama-by-oz-player-11498191

 

[superman]

Some super self hating comments here mamoon if you are muslim/ pakistani. He rallied for the palestinians who undergoing what can only be described as genocide and he wore an armband, only for ECB to go oppressive on him even though you can wear help the heros armbands (many of whom have been convicted of war crimes by british courts). As someone who has experienced racism sometimes you dont want to make too much of a fuss your an outsider already, like somone said there is no statute of limitations he can talk about it when he is ready. I can compare your remarks to people who initially defended jimmy saville. Disgusting

 

[cricketjoshila]

I have read some tweets from journos who are claiming he told ECB.

If thats true then its poor from ECB to brush it under the carpet.

 

[InziRules]

If thats true then its poor from ECB to brush it under the carpet.

Bayliss knew at least
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/sep/16/moeen-ali-england-ashes-australia

 

[savecricket]

Firstly this is not just abuse. It should be labeled correctly at what it really is and that's 'islamaphobia'. Moeen had a beard and is Muslim so therefore must be a terrorist. Blatant islamaphobia.

Secondly it's in his book which the media have had early copies of and they've made this story to sell their papers. Moeen isn't crying wolf. He would have sold this story at the time to the highest bidding tabloid if he wanted to make a deal of it.

Thirdly. It's likely to be one paragraph in his book of hundreds so only an idiot would suggest this is going to sell his book.

Fourth. If you've grown up in England playing cricket you would know how racist it can be. Yes, there are a lot of Asian players now in the ranks but it wasn't that easy when Moeen was growing up so for him to share his story it can only help open up more pathways for Brit Asian players. Only a piece of s@it would say act whiter than white to integrate.

 

[Finisher]

I am not talking about the rate, I am talking about the fact that these things are very easy to exploit and we should not jump to conclusions unless and until all the facts are on the table.

The problem is that people don’t wait for facts to unfold because firstly, it is Moeen and secondly, discrimination is a reality. However, we have to go case-by-case.


Look at Serena Williams for example. A sore loser who played the feminist card to deflect the blame.

I am not saying that Moeen is lying; I am saying that there is no reason to take his words at face value. Australian accent can be awkward for non-Australian ears, perhaps he misheard him. I highly doubt that any Australian player would randomly call Moeen Osama or whatever.

People who fish for discrimination often hear and see what they want to, and can turn anything into abuse, and I say this with deep regret that I find Moeen to be someone who thrives in such controversies. I accept all the criticism that has come (or will come) my way for this statement, but this is how I feel.

That is all I have to say on this matter, I don’t have anything further to add.

If u want to take it case by case, what's the point of mentioning any other cases in relation to Moins?

 

[slipcatch]

I doubt he is lying and I didn't claim he is.

I just didn't know why he is repeating it now, and apparently, it's the book's selling point.

It makes sense.

I had nothing against him and now after hearing it's for his book, I have even less against him because he needs to sell the book.

Why can’t he?

Why can’t he use that as a headline to sell his autobiography?

You are trying to come off as if you wouldn’t do the same.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Why can’t he?

Why can’t he use that as a headline to sell his autobiography?

You are trying to come off as if you wouldn’t do the same.

I would use racism to sell my autobiography?

Not a chance.

There is enough trouble in the world as it is, for me to earn money selling what people dread.

 

[savecricket]

I would use racism to sell my autobiography?

Not a chance.

There is enough trouble in the world as it is, for me to earn money selling what people dread.

Bro you're sounding seriously jealous of Moeen's success.

Anyone growing up in the West will know how racist the world is. He's not a slave or Uncle Tom who will sell his identify to get ahead in life nor should anyone be.

It's unfortunate we criticise todays ambassadors of Islam in this way. Some of the comments on this thread are boarder line islamaphobic -

"What an outstanding individual Moeen is. I know this is a team performance, I know it's about Cox and Brown, but it's led from the front by one individual in Ali. We should be very proud of him. -- Nasser Hussain

 

[MenInG]

Guys dont get personal

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Bro you're sounding seriously jealous of Moeen's success.

Anyone growing up in the West will know how racist the world is. He's not a slave or Uncle Tom who will sell his identify to get ahead in life nor should anyone be.

It's unfortunate we criticise todays ambassadors of Islam in this way. Some of the comments on this thread are boarder line islamaphobic -

"What an outstanding individual Moeen is. I know this is a team performance, I know it's about Cox and Brown, but it's led from the front by one individual in Ali. We should be very proud of him. -- Nasser Hussain

Where does jealousy come into play.

I hope he sells a million copies of the book and I wish him good look.

The poster asked if I would do the same, and I clearly said I don't have any intention to sell books based on what people call me or people think of me.

I am glad he is Muslim because I associate with him and I empathize with his difficulties during the Australian tour especially if he was called "Osama".

 

[savecricket]

Where does jealousy come into play.

I hope he sells a million copies of the book and I wish him good look.

The poster asked if I would do the same, and I clearly said I don't have any intention to sell books based on what people call me or people think of me.

I am glad he is Muslim because I associate with him and I empathize with his difficulties during the Australian tour especially if he was called "Osama".

I'm glad you realise he's not play a race card and that islamaphobia is a real issue in the West that we should all try and irradicate. If it means creating awareness than so be it.

Stop comparing Moeen to Amla just because they have beards. That's islamaphobic!

He chooses his identidy to mirror that of a Muslim. In Islam that is your primary identify, not nationalities or professions. Some people on here have got it the wrong way round.

Ali has written one paragraph on this matter and the media wanting to sell papers have made a story out of it, not Moeen. As I said earlier if he wanted to cash in on that he could have sold his story to a tabloid years ago.

 

[Varun]

It wasn't even raised in 2015.

Even if they had a United Nations Conference on the issue then, it was kept in the hush.

Why raised now?

The autobiography is not going to sell itself.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I'm glad you realise he's not play a race card and that islamaphobia is a real issue in the West that we should all try and irradicate. If it means creating awareness than so be it.

Stop comparing Moeen to Amla just because they have beards. That's islamaphobic!

He chooses his identidy to mirror that of a Muslim. In Islam that is your primary identify, not nationalities or professions. Some people on here have got it the wrong way round.

Ali has written one paragraph on this matter and the media wanting to sell papers have made a story out of it, not Moeen. As I said earlier if he wanted to cash in on that he could have sold his story to a tabloid years ago.

Personally I haven't faced it to the extent that people say it exists.But I'll believe you when you say it exists every where.

As for the 2nd point, Islam is our primary identity but there is no rule you are supposed to like people based on whether they are Muslim or not.

But here there is a tendency to like cricketers based on their beards and how religious they are. That is ridiculous and everyone knows it. Cricketers should be appreciated for their primary skill and not religious zeal and fervor.

And I am not saying they can't be appreciated for being religious. They can be. But that shouldn't factor into their performances and their likability on a cricket website.

I am going off topic now, so I'll just shut up and let you figure out what I mean.

 

[MenInG]

Moeen Ali made a late decision not to name the Australian player who allegedly called him 'Osama' during the 2015 Ashes Test in Cardiff, after including his identity in an earlier manuscript of his autobiography.

The decision to remove the player's name — which Sportsmail knows but cannot reveal for legal reasons — came not long before the book appeared, and was motivated by Moeen's desire to spare the player a public humiliation.

Cricket Australia (CA) said they would follow up the alleged incident with the ECB 'as a matter of urgency', despite their then coach Darren Lehmann knowing about it at the time. A CA official was also informed of the allegations three years ago by English journalists, but denied the incident had taken place.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/c...led-Osama-book.html?__twitter_impression=true

 

[Bewal Express]

Moeen Ali made a late decision not to name the Australian player who allegedly called him 'Osama' during the 2015 Ashes Test in Cardiff, after including his identity in an earlier manuscript of his autobiography.

The decision to remove the player's name — which Sportsmail knows but cannot reveal for legal reasons — came not long before the book appeared, and was motivated by Moeen's desire to spare the player a public humiliation.

Cricket Australia (CA) said they would follow up the alleged incident with the ECB 'as a matter of urgency', despite their then coach Darren Lehmann knowing about it at the time. A CA official was also informed of the allegations three years ago by English journalists, but denied the incident had taken place.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/c...led-Osama-book.html?__twitter_impression=true

Moeen is too forgiving but thats the type of guy he is.

 

[the_outsider]

Firstly this is not just abuse. It should be labeled correctly at what it really is and that's 'islamaphobia'. Moeen had a beard and is Muslim so therefore must be a terrorist. Blatant islamaphobia.

Whatever happened was in very poor taste and should not go unpunished. But it certainly was not Islamophobia in any way.

 

[Bilal7]

Personally I haven't faced it to the extent that people say it exists.But I'll believe you when you say it exists every where.

As for the 2nd point, Islam is our primary identity but there is no rule you are supposed to like people based on whether they are Muslim or not.

But here there is a tendency to like cricketers based on their beards and how religious they are. That is ridiculous and everyone knows it. Cricketers should be appreciated for their primary skill and not religious zeal and fervor.

And I am not saying they can't be appreciated for being religious. They can be. But that shouldn't factor into their performances and their likability on a cricket website.

I am going off topic now, so I'll just shut up and let you figure out what I mean.

The world does not revolve around you, sir. If people look up to guys like Moeen for non-cricketing reasons, then that is their decision. We're all biased in some way or the other, anyone who says that they can be 100% objective all the time is a liar. Humans are not wired that way.

 

[savecricket]

Whatever happened was in very poor taste and should not go unpunished. But it certainly was not Islamophobia in any way.

To call someone a terrorist because they happen to be Muslim and have a beard is islamaphobic!

 

[the_outsider]

To call someone a terrorist because they happen to be Muslim and have a beard is islamaphobic!

No. It's racist. It's not Islamophobic because the context matters. Whoever said it obviously knows Moeen. He knows who Moeen is and what he does. He did not make a prejudiced assumption about him obviously because there is nothing to assume. It's already known. There are no preconceived notions involved - which is the crux of any form of xenophobia.

It's a racist comment, for sure. But it's not Islamophobic.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

The world does not revolve around you, sir. If people look up to guys like Moeen for non-cricketing reasons, then that is their decision. We're all biased in some way or the other, anyone who says that they can be 100% objective all the time is a liar. Humans are not wired that way.

They can look to Moeen for non cricketing reasons.

But to factor his religion in his cricketing skills is pure nonsense.

No matter which way you look at it.

 

[superman]

Personally I haven't faced it to the extent that people say it exists.But I'll believe you when you say it exists every where.

As for the 2nd point, Islam is our primary identity but there is no rule you are supposed to like people based on whether they are Muslim or not.

But here there is a tendency to like cricketers based on their beards and how religious they are. That is ridiculous and everyone knows it. Cricketers should be appreciated for their primary skill and not religious zeal and fervor.

And I am not saying they can't be appreciated for being religious. They can be. But that shouldn't factor into their performances and their likability on a cricket website.

I am going off topic now, so I'll just shut up and let you figure out what I mean.

Have you faced, islamaphobia? Do you live in the UK as here its being instigated by the tories regularly

 

[savecricket]

No. It's racist. It's not Islamophobic because the context matters. Whoever said it obviously knows Moeen. He knows who Moeen is and what he does. He did not make a prejudiced assumption about him obviously because there is nothing to assume. It's already known. There are no preconceived notions involved - which is the crux of any form of xenophobia.

It's a racist comment, for sure. But it's not Islamophobic.

He knows he's Muslim and is effectively calling him a terrorist. It's the worst of islamaphobia being spread all over the world right now - that if you're Muslim you're a terrorist.

You seriously need to understand what's going on in the world right now.

 

[the_outsider]

He knows he's Muslim and is effectively calling him a terrorist. It's the worst of islamaphobia being spread all over the world right now - that if you're Muslim you're a terrorist.

You seriously need to understand what's going on in the world right now.

I understand that mate. And honestly, you have my sympathies for it. Any form of discrimination is against what I stand for as an individual.

All I'm trying to say is that you got the nomenclature wrong in this case. What the Aussie player did is inexcusable. It's racist, there is no question about it. But it is not Islamophobia. If this was said to someone the abuser didn't know, then that would be Islamophobic. Do you understand the difference I am trying to point out?

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

I understand that mate. And honestly, you have my sympathies for it. Any form of discrimination is against what I stand for as an individual.

All I'm trying to say is that you got the nomenclature wrong in this case. What the Aussie player did is inexcusable. It's racist, there is no question about it. But it is not Islamophobia. If this was said to someone the abuser didn't know, then that would be Islamophobic. Do you understand the difference I am trying to point out?

it is almost a textbook definition of islamaphobia. no idea what youre trying to say.

 

[savecricket]

I understand that mate. And honestly, you have my sympathies for it. Any form of discrimination is against what I stand for as an individual.

All I'm trying to say is that you got the nomenclature wrong in this case. What the Aussie player did is inexcusable. It's racist, there is no question about it. But it is not Islamophobia. If this was said to someone the abuser didn't know, then that would be Islamophobic. Do you understand the difference I am trying to point out?

It makes no difference if he knew him or not. In fact it probably makes it even worse as he 100% knows Moeen is Muslim.

I think you're failing to graspe the difference between racism and islamaphobia.

If he was racist he make have remakes on his race, I.e British Pakistani, and made some derogatory remark on those line.

However he made a derogatory remark based on Moeen's religion, I.e Muslims are terrorists.

It's very simple to define this as islamaphobic. He didn't attack his race. He's not even the same race as Osma bin laden. The only thing he has in common is his religion and religious features.

I hope I've spelt it out for you.

It's a huge issue in the west right now. The right wing media is constantly brainwashing people to think Islam is the same thing as terrorism.

We as Muslims have a responsibility to show the world Islam is a peaceful and compassionate religion - hence the affection Muslims have for Moeen. He's an outstanding example fully integrated into an old English institution without compromising his identity and character.

 

[IMMY69]

it is almost a textbook definition of islamaphobia. no idea what youre trying to say.

Hey haven’t seen you here in ages!!
Good to see another oldie ��

 

[KingKhanWC]

No. It's racist. It's not Islamophobic because the context matters. Whoever said it obviously knows Moeen. He knows who Moeen is and what he does. He did not make a prejudiced assumption about him obviously because there is nothing to assume. It's already known. There are no preconceived notions involved - which is the crux of any form of xenophobia.

It's a racist comment, for sure. But it's not Islamophobic.

OBL is an Arab, the only link here is they are supposed to be both Muslims. Plenty of Muslims around the world have been called such a name, it's Islamaphobic.

Mo should have reported this person right there and then but he's a nice guy.

Aussies are not all bad but their behaviour over the last few decades has shown them to be clowns in general. ICC need to come down on their nonsense a lot harder, ban those players for a year if they are caught abusing people.

 

[slipcatch]

I would use racism to sell my autobiography?

Not a chance.

There is enough trouble in the world as it is, for me to earn money selling what people dread.

So be a target of racism but one shouldn't mention that in book just because people like you would accuse him using racism to sell a book?

There is enough trouble in the world and one of them is racism faced by minority.

Dumbest logic, again.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

So be a target of racism but one shouldn't mention that in book just because people like you would accuse him using racism to sell a book?

There is enough trouble in the world and one of them is racism faced by minority.

Dumbest logic, again.

He is using it already and even a blind person knows sensationalist headlines sell the book.

What i think of it hardly matters.

 

[slipcatch]

He is using it already and even a blind person knows sensationalist headlines sell the book.

What i think of it hardly matters.

Oh so you are stating the obvious, again. And that is some how make you....stand out?

Regardless of what he is doing, one can't negate the fact that Australian cricketer were being racist because of his beliefs.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Oh so you are stating the obvious, again. And that is some how make you....stand out?

Regardless of what he is doing, one can't negate the fact that Australian cricketer were being racist because of his beliefs.

I have never mentioned anywhere the Australian player be given a medal for his imbecile behavior.

I am stating the obvious again and again because you wondered if I would do the same to sell a book.

And the fat answer is NO.

The problem is you refuse to accept that not everyone wants to become famous by highlighting racism and I certainly dont.

But I can understand he needs to do it for his book and I am quite okay with that.

Dont understand the fuss anymore.

 

[slipcatch]

And he remembers it at the end of 2018 to make a fuss out of it ???

Sorry just playing to the galleries now.

I have never mentioned anywhere the Australian player be given a medal for his imbecile behavior.

I am stating the obvious again and again because you wondered if I would do the same to sell a book.

And the fat answer is NO.

The problem is you refuse to accept that not everyone wants to become famous by highlighting racism and I certainly dont.

But I can understand he needs to do it for his book and I am quite okay with that.

Dont understand the fuss anymore.

You indirectly dismissing racism and Islamophobia just because one decided to openly mentioned about in his book, years later.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

You indirectly dismissing racism and Islamophobia just because one decided to openly mentioned about in his book, years later.

He remembered it while writing a book.

He is sure to be called out for it the way I see it.

Had he remembered it 3 years later without any motivational book, his quest and desire to eliminate "racism" as you so eloquently put it, would have been taken more seriously.

At least from my side and people who perceive like me.

 

[slipcatch]

He remembered it while writing a book.

He is sure to be called out for it the way I see it.

Had he remembered it 3 years later without any motivational book, his quest and desire to eliminate "racism" as you so eloquently put it, would have been taken more seriously.

At least from my side and people who perceive like me.

As if anyone has ever been eliminate racism?

Highlighting it.

Doesn't matter how and at what forum he decided to open up about it.

He isn't making any fuss about it, you are on the timing because that is all you can criticize.

 

[Bilal7]

They can look to Moeen for non cricketing reasons.

But to factor his religion in his cricketing skills is pure nonsense.

No matter which way you look at it.

No one adds an extra 15 points to Moeen's batting average because of the way he looks. You're clutching at straws.

 

[MenInG]

An investigation into a claim that England all-rounder Moeen Ali was called 'Osama' by an Australia player in the 2015 Ashes has been closed.

Cricket Australia said no new evidence had been presented.

The governing body launched an investigation after Moeen wrote about the incident in his autobiography.

"We have followed up with the England and Wales Cricket Board and confirmed the incident was investigated at the time," CA said.

"A response was provided to Moeen.

"Moeen elected not to progress the matter any further at the time and we have not been able to ascertain any new additional evidence through our enquiries.

"As such, the matter is considered closed.

"We take a zero-tolerance approach to remarks of this nature, they have no place in our sport, or in society, and any allegations raised with us are treated seriously and respectfully."

Moeen, 31, said the comment was made in the first Test of the 2015 series, which England won 3-2 to regain the Ashes.

In an extract of his book published in the Times, Moeen said: "An Australian player had turned to me on the field and said, 'Take that, Osama'. I could not believe what I had heard.

"I remember going really red. I have never been so angry on a cricket field."

The alleged slur appears to be a reference to Islamist terrorist Osama Bin Laden. Moeen, who was born in Birmingham, is a Muslim of Pakistani and English heritage.

Moeen said he told "a couple" of team-mates about the incident and believed England coach Trevor Bayliss raised it with then Australia counterpart Darren Lehmann.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/45624122

 

[Hawkeye]

So, that word was not spoken?

I read somewhere he himself said in an interview that he wasn't sure if someone really did say that and he may have misheard.

Good book selling tactic.

 

[MMHS]

So, that word was not spoken?

I read somewhere he himself said in an interview that he wasn't sure if someone really did say that and he may have misheard.

Good book selling tactic.

I don't trust CA, or rather trust Moeen more than CA or ECB. These 2 boards are partners of multi million dollar business, that's cricket - one Moeen Ali hardly matters.

Being Pakistani, you should know the history of Salim Malik - the guy was the first one to demystify Warne and in no time Aussies defamed him with fixing allegations. Malik might be the culprit indeed, but 3 Aussie players, one of them is Warne, were fined by CA for contacts with known bookies - something they kept under carpet until these players retired to keep them safe from ICC's inquiry. Similarly, Warne was caught for doping during a WC - those days cricket medical standards were not up to date as such that you go through random test after every game. He was caught at the WC and don't tell me that CA (Then ACB) didn't know what their premier bowler was doing to manage his work load & over weight issues.

"Osama" & "Part-timer" indeed sounds too close for Moeen to mishear.......

 

[MenInG]

So, that word was not spoken?

I read somewhere he himself said in an interview that he wasn't sure if someone really did say that and he may have misheard.

Good book selling tactic.

"Moeen elected not to progress the matter any further at the time and we have not been able to ascertain any new additional evidence through our enquiries"

 

[Rana]

Moeen Ali being racially abused in the Ashes 2015: has he been served the justice he deserves?

I’m sorry but this just doesn’t sit right with me. I cannot believe that the player who allegedly called Moeen Ali ‘Osama’ has not been publicly named and has not served any kind of disciplinary action or hearing. I don’t buy the theory that this Australian cricketer whoever he is called Moeen a ‘part timer’ instead of Osama. No person can mishear something as harrowing as that.

When will this case be reopened and when will the person in question be named and put through a trial?

 

[Kroll]

I’m sorry but this just doesn’t sit right with me. I cannot believe that the player who allegedly called Moeen Ali ‘Osama’ has not been publicly named and has not served any kind of disciplinary action or hearing. I don’t buy the theory that this Australian cricketer whoever he is called Moeen a ‘part timer’ instead of Osama. No person can mishear something as harrowing as that.

When will this case be reopened and when will the person in question be named and put through a trial?

Yep, needs to be named and shamed.

 

[MenInG]

Matter was investigated and it was closed then based on how Moeen wanted to proceed.

 

[wrongun]

I’m sorry but this just doesn’t sit right with me. I cannot believe that the player who allegedly called Moeen Ali ‘Osama’ has not been publicly named and has not served any kind of disciplinary action or hearing. I don’t buy the theory that this Australian cricketer whoever he is called Moeen a ‘part timer’ instead of Osama. No person can mishear something as harrowing as that.

When will this case be reopened and when will the person in question be named and put through a trial?

Sounds like whoever it was knew the way to talk themselves out of that one- just use the Harbajan "monkeygate" defence & say you were misheard.

 

[Rana]

Matter was investigated and it was closed then based on how Moeen wanted to proceed.

Moeen is a nice and humble person.

But the attack on him was an insult to all Muslims who choose to follow the Sunnah of their beloved Prophet and keep a beard. The Muslim community would like to know who was this racist/Islamophobic Australian cricketer who abused Moeen. The man needs to be brought to justice!

 

[Rana]

Sounds like whoever it was knew the way to talk themselves out of that one- just use the Harbajan "monkeygate" defence & say you were misheard.

At least in Monkey gate we know who the people are involved and the public heard all the details from both sides. We would like the same for this as well. If the player in question is not guilty, we will leave it at that.

 

[wrongun]

At least in Monkey gate we know who the people are involved and the public heard all the details from both sides. We would like the same for this as well. If the player in question is not guilty, we will leave it at that.

True. The cover up stinks and perpetuates the same old problems. It's kind of similar to the Yorkshire CC institutional response in some ways.

 

[TAK]

As an aside...I'm an old codger, growing up I never came across a single Pakistani by the name of Osama...but since the rise to fame/infmay of bin Laden the name Osama appears to have soared in popularity with Pakistani parents...a bit like the number of boys named Imran in the 80's and 90's.

 

[mazkhan]

As an aside...I'm an old codger, growing up I never came across a single Pakistani by the name of Osama...but since the rise to fame/infmay of bin Laden the name Osama appears to have soared in popularity with Pakistani parents...a bit like the number of boys named Imran in the 80's and 90's.

Stop talking cobblers

Osama name is not popular among pakistanis and after 9/11 I doubt any Muslim in the west would name their kid Osama because he would be ridiculed in school and any future job prospects may be in jeopardy


But if you take the name anjum yes many parents named their kids in 70s 80s and 90s with that name .

 

[Rana]

I have no doubt in my mind that Moeen Ali is not lying or he did not mishear this.

Moeen just brushed it under the carpet because he knew he wouldn’t go far with this, he wouldn’t receive the support by ECB and CA who would rather not go through the hassle of a racism enquiry for a British Asian.

This case needs to be reopened and the perpetrator named.

 

[silentkiller187]

As an aside...I'm an old codger, growing up I never came across a single Pakistani by the name of Osama...but since the rise to fame/infmay of bin Laden the name Osama appears to have soared in popularity with Pakistani parents...a bit like the number of boys named Imran in the 80's and 90's.

I have come across many pakistanis in my time and i have never met one called osama, pre or post 9/11 a few arabs maybe but not pakistani, can you back your statement up with facts or is it just something you made up

 

[Gilly]

I have no doubt in my mind that Moeen Ali is not lying or he did not mishear this.

Moeen just brushed it under the carpet because he knew he wouldn’t go far with this, he wouldn’t receive the support by ECB and CA who would rather not go through the hassle of a racism enquiry for a British Asian.

This case needs to be reopened and the perpetrator named.

Recently Siraj falsely claimed that an Australian racially abused him, after an investigation it was found he lied.

Siraj tells CA probe of racial slurs as new witness reports 'no derogatory stuff'
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...orts-no-derogatory-stuff-20210112-p56thh.html

 

[Rana]

Recently Siraj falsely claimed that an Australian racially abused him, after an investigation it was found he lied.

I don’t think Siraj speaks English well so there can be a lapse in mishearing things on his part. Moeen on the other hand is a fluent English speaker and he also understands English/Australian language appropriation. There is no doubt in my mind that Moeen was racially abused, especially when the player said that he called him a ‘part timer’ to make it seem that there was mishearing on Moeen’s part due to the rhyme

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Recently Siraj falsely claimed that an Australian racially abused him, after an investigation it was found he lied.

What has that got to do with Moeen Ali being called Osama?

 

[Gilly]

What has that got to do with Moeen Ali being called Osama?

Siraj lied about being racially abused causing three people to be ejected from the stadium, he did not offer a public apology to these people.

Rana said he had no doubt that Moeen did no mishear the Australian player, I offered proof that it does happen.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Siraj lied about being racially abused causing three people to be ejected from the stadium, he did not offer a public apology to these people.

Rana said he had no doubt that Moeen did no mishear the Australian player, I offered proof that it does happen.

It may well have happened with Siraj, but you can't just subsequently assume that Moeen misheard as well. Every case deserves to be heard on it's own merit. But of course it depends if you have faith in the justice system, and also your own cricket board to pursue it.

 

[Gilly]

It may well have happened with Siraj, but you can't just subsequently assume that Moeen misheard as well. Every case deserves to be heard on it's own merit. But of course it depends if you have faith in the justice system, and also your own cricket board to pursue it.

But you do understand that if Moeen names the player regardless of who is right there will be those that will call the Australian player a racist even if Moeen did mishear what was said.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

But you do understand that if Moeen names the player regardless of who is right there will be those that will call the Australian player a racist even if Moeen did mishear what was said.

Not if Moeen is found to be a liar. If that was the case Moeen would come in for a lot more abuse than the innocent party.

 

[mazkhan]

Moeen ali is mixed race

One of his grandmother was a white English women called Betty Cox.

 

[Rana]

Siraj lied about being racially abused causing three people to be ejected from the stadium, he did not offer a public apology to these people.

Rana said he had no doubt that Moeen did no mishear the Australian player, I offered proof that it does happen.

But you also didn’t understand my response as to why Siraj could have misheard and Moeen would not have misheard.

Siraj doesn’t speak English.

 

[Gilly]

But you also didn’t understand my response as to why Siraj could have misheard and Moeen would not have misheard.

Siraj doesn’t speak English.

There is every chance Moeen could have misheard regardless of what language he speaks. Especially as a lot of british people find it hard to understand Australians at times, just like many Australians find it hard at times to understand the British.

 

[Mamoon]

There is no evidence and proof provided, so why should this so-called case be reopened?

Besides, we all know Moeen is always crying and loves a good moan. He has played victim throughout his international career.

If this was someone with credibility, like Adil Rashid, this accusation would have some weight in my eyes.

He is a proper role model for Asian cricketers. In spite of coming theorist the ranks at the “racist” Yorkshire, he has never played victim, he has never projected himself as someone who has suffered from racial abuse and he has never given long-winded interviews to tabloids on how hard it was for him to make it as an Asian cricketer in the UK and bla bla.

He has simply let his performance do the talking. Young Asian kids who want to play for England need to adopt his attitude and look the other way when it comes to Rafiq and Moeen.

 

[Rana]

There is every chance Moeen could have misheard regardless of what language he speaks. Especially as a lot of british people find it hard to understand Australians at times, just like many Australians find it hard at times to understand the British.

I’m telling you, Moeen did not mishear the person.

The case needs to be reopened. Moeen will now get the support he needs from outside of cricket, as the ECB is generally impotent in handling this on its own.

 

[Gilly]

I’m telling you, Moeen did not mishear the person.

.

You only think that Moeen did not mishear, you have already made up your mind by just listening to one side of the story and you will not change your mind now regardless if he did mishear or not.

 

[Rana]

You only think that Moeen did not mishear, you have already made up your mind by just listening to one side of the story and you will not change your mind now regardless if he did mishear or not.

Yes. This is the attitude that needs to be applied, because I have absolutely no doubt Moeen was racially abused. It will be his word of truth against the perpetrator, I would love to see him defend him self whoever he is.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There is no evidence and proof provided, so why should this so-called case be reopened?

Besides, we all know Moeen is always crying and loves a good moan. He has played victim throughout his international career.

If this was someone with credibility, like Adil Rashid, this accusation would have some weight in my eyes.

He is a proper role model for Asian cricketers. In spite of coming theorist the ranks at the “racist” Yorkshire, he has never played victim, he has never projected himself as someone who has suffered from racial abuse and he has never given long-winded interviews to tabloids on how hard it was for him to make it as an Asian cricketer in the UK and bla bla.

He has simply let his performance do the talking. Young Asian kids who want to play for England need to adopt his attitude and look the other way when it comes to Rafiq and Moeen.

Yesterday you were using Moeen as an example of someone with credibility when you wanted to diss on Rafeeq. I think you should just forget about holding any Pakistan players up as examples, it doesn't fit your image anyway. Just call them all cheats and fakers and be done with it.

 

[Snowflake]

And he remembers it at the end of 2018 to make a fuss out of it ???

Sorry just playing to the galleries now.

You are probably one of those that also brush aside when women speak of the abuse that happened to them years ago, right? The "speak right there and then" kind?

 

[Technics 1210]

There is no evidence and proof provided, so why should this so-called case be reopened?

Besides, we all know Moeen is always crying and loves a good moan. He has played victim throughout his international career.

If this was someone with credibility, like Adil Rashid, this accusation would have some weight in my eyes.

He is a proper role model for Asian cricketers. In spite of coming theorist the ranks at the “racist” Yorkshire, he has never played victim, he has never projected himself as someone who has suffered from racial abuse and he has never given long-winded interviews to tabloids on how hard it was for him to make it as an Asian cricketer in the UK and bla bla.

He has simply let his performance do the talking. Young Asian kids who want to play for England need to adopt his attitude and look the other way when it comes to Rafiq and Moeen.

Your boy Jofra Archer made a similar claim when touring New Zealand. There was no evidence or proof of what was said to him from a spectator allegedly to have hurled racial abuse. Yet we are to believe Jofra was a victim of racism because of a tweet, yet Moeen Ali is a liar?

If your name is Obama, then there’s a chance one can mis hear the word Osama, but Moeen doesn’t rhyme with either.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Its Moeens word against the opposition players so it incredibly difficult to prove anything.

However, what is quite clear is that the England players who love taking the knee now didn't feel it was worthwhile to support one of their own. They accepted that Moeens ears were blocked that day and misheard the comment.

 

[Rana]

Your boy Jofra Archer made a similar claim when touring New Zealand. There was no evidence or proof of what was said to him from a spectator allegedly to have hurled racial abuse. Yet we are to believe Jofra was a victim of racism because of a tweet, yet Moeen Ali is a liar?

If your name is Obama, then there’s a chance one can mis hear the word Osama, but Moeen doesn’t rhyme with either.

Agreed.

Since when does anyone sledge someone for being a part timer?

 

[Rana]

Its Moeens word against the opposition players so it incredibly difficult to prove anything.

However, what is quite clear is that the England players who love taking the knee now didn't feel it was worthwhile to support one of their own. They accepted that Moeens ears were blocked that day and misheard the comment.

I’m telling you bro, Moeen did not mishear anything. This man isn’t a liar. The racist p needs to be called out.