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Moeen Ali - Performance Watch

Another ordinary outing with the ball. Just doesn't look Test class.
 
Very ordinary bowler, because I believe this is his main role. By no means a test class bowler/player.
 
asyed said:
Very ordinary bowler, because I believe this is his main role. By no means a test class bowler/player.
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He has no role in the team. Because of him, England can't play a specialist batsman or a specialist bowler.

If he is indeed the best spinner in England, then they need to ring the alarm bells. From Swann to him, what a downgrade.
 
Mamoon said:
He has no role in the team. Because of him, England can't play a specialist batsman or a specialist bowler.

If he is indeed the best spinner in England, then they need to ring the alarm bells. From Swann to him, what a downgrade.
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Well if he's no role, then why he's in the playing XI.

It looks to me that ENG has nobody in spin department, specifically for this tour (other than Rashid, who is also at same level). Therefore, they've no other choice.

Indeed it's a alarm bells for them, however, how many world class spinners have they produced (apart from Graeme) in recent memories?
 
asyed said:
Well if he's no role, then why he's in the playing XI.

It looks to me that ENG has nobody in spin department, specifically for this tour (other than Rashid, who is also at same level). Therefore, they've no other choice.

Indeed it's a alarm bells for them, however, how many world class spinners have they produced (apart from Graeme) in recent memories?
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Not many, but Moeen make Panesar look like a world beater as well. Even Ashley Giles was better than him.

He is in the team because he can bat better than other spinners, whose bowling is not good enough to justify their selection. That seems like the only plausible justification for selecting a bits and pieces cricketer like Moeen.
 
Indeed just a bits a pieces player who can bat (as you‘ve said), as compare to his competitors.

However, once ENG would find a better/decent spinner, then his place would be in jeopardy. To me, he‘s England‘s version of M.Hafeez, (but Hafeez was much batter bowler as compare to him).
 
Mo is a good LOI cricketer but in Tests England should play Rashid as their main spinner. His batting is good enough that he can play as a number 8.

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Pretty rubbish, but we did ensure that we don't disturb his average too much. Gifted him 2 wickets today.
 
As Boycott said Mo only gets wickets because the batsman disrespect him. If they play Mo on merit he should be played with ease. For English or non SC conditions i would play Rashid as the main spinner. Moeen wont do anything in South Africa.

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Apparently Moeen is the fastest England spinner to get to 50 wickets in terms of deliveries bowled (since WWII). How 'bout them apples?!
 
Hope he spends more time on improving his bowling - been garbage thus far.
 
Safe to say Moeens experiment at the top of the order hasnt worked. Has looked mediocre in both departments so far.

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Can't buy a run in these conditions. What a waste of space. An embarrassment of a cricketer.
 
Mamoon said:
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Can't buy a run in these conditions. What a waste of space. An embarrassment of a cricketer.
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He is a mediocre test cricketer. Moeen is a good LOI player IMO. I expect him to do better in LOIs.

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Adil_94 said:
He is a mediocre test cricketer. Moeen is a good LOI player IMO. I expect him to do better in LOIs.

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I like him in ODIs and T20s, but his hardcore fans need to get their heads out of the sand. He is not a Test cricketer.
 
Mamoon said:
I like him in ODIs and T20s, but his hardcore fans need to get their heads out of the sand. He is not a Test cricketer.
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After this series Moeen could be shut out of the Test team. in SA England will wanna go with the extra batsmen which means Hales comes in as opener. And Rashid would be better as the sole spinner. He has more potential than Moeen as a spinner. Moeen will do nothing in SA.

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Moeens time as a test opener is surely over. Him n Rashid will be battling it out for the sole spinner spot in SA.


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A total of 84/85 runs in 6 innings. i guess average is going to be less than 15 :yk

A total of 9 wickets
 
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Moeens had a pretty poor Tests series. Some of the blame can be attributed to the workload as well. Bowling 30 overs each innings then opening is very tough. But his bowling has been disappointing considering he came into the series as England's lead spinner. Most of his wickets have been wild slogs by the batsman. Hardly remember any wickets he earned with a good piece of bowling. And as an opener he has been exposed at Test level. I expect him to bounce back in the LOIS though. He is a good in the shorter formats.

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Been saying for a long time that Moeen's figures as a bowler flatter him to no extent.

Here he was given pitches that assisted him, and still pretty much did nothing. Wickets that he took were more batsmen going after him, than him outfoxing them.

Outbowled by Malik - who most on here think of as a mediocre cricketer. Wonder what that makes Moeen then?
 
Moeen, Stokes, Rashid and Patel are all just awful cricketers. God knows what English selectors and pundits see in them.
 
Zak_Fan said:
19 page thread for this mediocre Cricketer? :irfan
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Number of pages rarely correlate with quality of players.

Usually number of pages are high if there is a group of fanboys and a section of haters to counter them :malik
 
Slog said:
Number of pages rarely correlate with quality of players.

Usually number of pages are high if there is a group of fanboys and a section of haters to counter them :malik
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indeed malik ji thread is the prime example :yk
 
Another poor performance from the bat. I don't think he is test material tbh. His style of batting is effective in LOIs but he just doesn't have the technique for test cricket imo. And less said about his bowling, the better.
 
You got to feel for the fella. He has soo many weaknesses with both bat and ball his head is probably all over the place. He should do a Malik and retire from test cricket.
 
Not good enough for Test Cricket. Can forge a very decent career for himself in LOI's though. England need to do him a favour and drop him from Tests like Morgan.
 
Adil_94 said:
Moeens had a pretty poor Tests series. Some of the blame can be attributed to the workload as well. Bowling 30 overs each innings then opening is very tough. But his bowling has been disappointing considering he came into the series as England's lead spinner. Most of his wickets have been wild slogs by the batsman. Hardly remember any wickets he earned with a good piece of bowling. And as an opener he has been exposed at Test level. I expect him to bounce back in the LOIS though. He is a good in the shorter formats.

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Alex Hales will probably open in SA and England are going to drop Mo back down the order.
 
Not a great series for him at all, should never have opened but I understand the thinking behind it; in these conditions England thought it could work. Bowling was generally mediocre, he was the lead spinner despite the part-timer tag and the partnership with Rashid wasn't a success beyond day 5 in the 1st Test; I guess the toss never favoured him but still expected a bit more from him. Rashid has more potential for growth though and his batting is underrated imo he has worked so hard on it with yorkshire in recent years.
 
Very poor series for Moeen.I think he'll do allot better in the limited over's game's.

He neeed's to bat at no 5-6 ideally and in South Africa he needs to score some run's if given a chance in test's if he doesn't then it could be his last test for England,

At the moment his walking on egg shell's
 
But but but but, he is a great human being and took one for the team by opening, unfortunately doesn't apply to Malik.
 
7-116 in the first match vs. SA, Man of the Match!

A good start to the series after a terrible outing in the UAE.
 
Just realized Moeen now have 61 Test wicket man he is going too fast thanks to the pathetic batsman of spin these days.
 
Well done to Moeen on his MOTM performance beating the No.1 Test Team on their home patch is a big deal.
 
Great performance from Moeen after a rough couple of months. But this is also an indictment of the level of spin playing ability around the world.

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He does produce some very good balls but bowls generally without control or real mastery of his art. Could it be that it is this inconsistency that confuses batsmen i.e. how do they know what's coming if he doesn't? Or else batsmen getting complacent as they see an opportunity to score?

I actually think he started quite poorly in this game, particularly his line against left handers.

Still, he's doing a job for now...
 
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He did get the better of master batsman AB de Villiers a couple of times

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South Africa have been demoralised with spin after that horrid Indian tour. Even Asad Shafiq would have taken 6-7 wickets against them atm.

Next few games will decide who has the upper hand
 
Adil_94 said:
Great performance from Moeen after a rough couple of months. But this is also an indictment of the level of spin playing ability around the world.

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He bowled well in this Test to be fair and got the prize scalp of ABDV, he's had a rough couple of months but Pak are the best players of spin and I recall swann being outperformed by Monty when they toured in 2012, conditions are great for spin but we get into that mindset that spinners just have to roll their arm and expect wickets to be taken but it's not that simple against guys like Misbah and Younis but he did well against the Indians; just look in this thread and beyond; Indian Ppers have not recovered from that burial bah gawd was almost as if Brother Moeen was bowling with grenades on a minefield :yk2
 
I was surprised he got MOM for this test but i guess no one else really stood out.

He desperately need's to score run's.
 
liaqat said:
I was surprised he got MOM for this test but i guess no one else really stood out.

He desperately need's to score run's.
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Not sure he 'desperately' needs to score runs.

His place is secure for a few years I suspect as he is far and away Englands best spinner.

Spinners only really mature at about 30 so again he has a few years to go to learn his craft.

He bats at no.8 so the England hierarchy see him primarily as a specialist spin bowler and lower order runs are seen as a bonus rather than a requirement.
 
Moeen is not that bad people made out to be.I hope moeen performs ggod in upcoming matches.
 
shaz619 said:
He bowled well in this Test to be fair and got the prize scalp of ABDV, he's had a rough couple of months but Pak are the best players of spin and I recall swann being outperformed by Monty when they toured in 2012, conditions are great for spin but we get into that mindset that spinners just have to roll their arm and expect wickets to be taken but it's not that simple against guys like Misbah and Younis but he did well against the Indians; just look in this thread and beyond; Indian Ppers have not recovered from that burial bah gawd was almost as if Brother Moeen was bowling with grenades on a minefield :yk2
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He's surely the best non-Asian offie. Pakistanis are great players of OFF-SPIN (since everyone is a righty), poor of other kinds. He did well to manage a few wickets here and there in that series in that case.

Having said that, he is still work-in-progress. Only 1-and-a-half year since he was recognised as more than a part-timer. His improvement actually started after umpire Dharmasena's advice
 
Underrated spinner. Gives it a good rip and turns it at speed. You can't do much as an offspinner against right handed batsmen especially the Misbah/YK type batsmen who will punish any offspinner. His batting was always rubbish though.
 
Moeen Ali annoys me cos he goes from being good to woeful from game to game.

I can't put him in one box and say "yeah he is good" "no he is bad".

Hate it when that happens.
 
He has changed his bowling action again...I hope he doesn't go back to the previous....
he is lacking the ball that goes away he had that against India.
 
Moeen Ali proving to be the Afridi of bowling lol :yk Man of the match in last Test because of bowling and now no wicket after 50 overs in this Test! [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]
 
Strike Rate said:
Moeen Ali proving to be the Afridi of bowling lol :yk Man of the match in last Test because of bowling and now no wicket after 50 overs in this Test! [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]
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Yeah...not watching the game so dunno how he is bowling.

But its really hard to bowl on these pitches for a spinner. Pacers can atleast utilize the bounce and do something but spinners just have to keep bowling it there and expect mistakes to happen. Of course, they have to keep flighting it and try getting that loopy dip that would get wickets.

Doubt any spinner in the world would come out of this test looking good.

Its really really hard.

You need MORE HEART (along with a bit of skill) to bowl on these pitches (have to keep doing the same thing again and again and again and expect a mistake) and of all the current spinners in the world...only Herath has that heart.
 
Averaging nearly 39 with the ball in test cricket and can't bat either. Why are England playing him again? Only Woakes is worse than him lol . Finn and Wood should replace these two.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Averaging nearly 39 with the ball in test cricket and can't bat either. Why are England playing him again? Only Woakes is worse than him lol . Finn and Wood should replace these two.
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The fact is that there isn't really a better obvious spin option. Rashid is better in the shorter formats.

Playing 5 seamers is not gonna happen. And Wood in injured.

Someone like Tredwell is a similar option, but a much inferior batsman.

The_KING said:
Really don't understand why he is in the test team.
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MOM in the first Test vs SA.
 
As soon as I saw a couple of comments regarding his performance in this Test match, I checked the scoreboard on cricinfo to see how much has he scored, after the page loaded, he just got out on 61.
 
Did well to last 100 deliveries, decent effort for a spinner. Number 8 is the perfect position for Mo at the moment.
 
Been a better test batsman than James Taylor thus far, who is likely to be dropped soon if Bairstow's keeping doesn't improve. Bairstow at #5, Ali at #7 and a specialist keeper at #8 will make England a lot stronger.
 
Shouldn't be surprised with Mo getting a 50 he bats in the middle order in domestic cricket. He bats at 8 a) because he is the primary spinner so it allows him rest time. b) because England have better middle order options than him. As we saw when Moeen batted up the order in the UAE he struggled big time after bowling 35-40 overs in an innings.

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Moeen has bowled well today. He looks a lot more at ease in the LOI formats. A vital cog in this England side

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Adil_94 said:
Moeen has bowled well today. He looks a lot more at ease in the LOI formats. A vital cog in this England side

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Finished the game off in style, still should be opening but when they want to play Roy and Hales the beard has no choice but to bat in the lower order. In LOI his style is best suited to opening the batting.
 
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