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Moeen Ali - Performance Watch

Bilal7 said:
Best all-rounder in the world. He can easily bat in the top five for any team, like he showed in India, and along with that is a better spinner that anyone from England, Australia, South Africa and New Zealand.

No other all-rounder today has won games with both bat and ball like Moeen Ali has consistently been doing.
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In recent times no A/R has influenced a Test more then Moeen when it comes to impact performances in wins
 
shaz619 said:
In recent times no A/R has influenced a Test more then Moeen when it comes to impact performances in wins
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When you actually think about this it's true. Sakhib hasn't won as many games. Stokes has performed but not as consistently as Moen. So in test cricket, there isn't a more impactful all rounder at the moment . Moen at number 1 then Stokes at 2.
 
Why does an average cricketer like MM Ali has a dedicated thread?

His only decent average is 35 in test which these days isnt much. He is pretty much a tailender in ODI. Bat avg of 27 and bowling of 50 but somehow he is the best all rounder lol.
 
BDfanforever said:
Why does an average cricketer like MM Ali has a dedicated thread?

His only decent average is 35 in test which these days isnt much. He is pretty much a tailender in ODI. Bat avg of 27 and bowling of 50 but somehow he is the best all rounder lol.
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England isn't Pakistan guys that average only 15 with the bat(Only bowled 3-4 overs ever) get 15 tests and 30 Odis
 
Hasan123 said:
When you actually think about this it's true. Sakhib hasn't won as many games. Stokes has performed but not as consistently as Moen. So in test cricket, there isn't a more impactful all rounder at the moment . Moen at number 1 then Stokes at 2.
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Hopefully he can maintain this consistency and improve further under saqi. For one reason or another he doesn't get rated much in general and The Beard is often underestimated; but it all works in his favour.
 
BDfanforever said:
Why does an average cricketer like MM Ali has a dedicated thread?

His only decent average is 35 in test which these days isnt much. He is pretty much a tailender in ODI. Bat avg of 27 and bowling of 50 but somehow he is the best all rounder lol.
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Mo has batted very low down the order 7/8. His average at 7 is high, check it out. He's an opener and England have tried him at no.1 but he failed against Pakistan. He is much better than Shakib, deal with it.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Mo has batted very low down the order 7/8. His average at 7 is high, check it out. He's an opener and England have tried him at no.1 but he failed against Pakistan. He is much better than Shakib, deal with it.
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Nice joke, keep fooling yourself. It doesnt matter where you bat, an average of 27 and bowling average of 50 is utter garbage this days. He is a decent tailender at best.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Mo has batted very low down the order 7/8. His average at 7 is high, check it out. He's an opener and England have tried him at no.1 but he failed against Pakistan. He is much better than Shakib, deal with it.
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He actually did nothing wrong at all to be demoted from opening in ODIs. England just always prefer someone else over him even when Roy and Hales aren't playing which is pretty unfair because his game is actually best suited to opening in ODIs. He's always had to play out of his comfort zone in International cricket but has never complained and has always got on with the job so credit to him for that.
 
Moeen is the perfect example of how numbers / statistics can be totally misleading when analysing cricket. Yes he has fairly ordinary overall numbers but when you watch England play it is clear that he is on par with Root and Anderson as the MVP.
 
James said:
Moeen is the perfect example of how numbers / statistics can be totally misleading when analysing cricket. Yes he has fairly ordinary overall numbers but when you watch England play it is clear that he is on par with Root and Anderson as the MVP.
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A very quiet achiever, his impact ability is often underestimated. Mo has never complained about whatever role given to him in the Test team and his recent milestones are a fitting reward, one of the most selfless cricket players in recent times and a top bloke as well.
 
shaz619 said:
What batting and bowling statistics would you be happy with at the very least by the time The Beard calls it a day in Tests
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Well, I would like his batting average to be significantly better than his bowling average. He took a big stride in this match.

#8 is too low for him to bat. But then where do you put Stokes and Bairstow? A nice problem to have, I suppose.

The nasty problem is the top order. Hope Hameed comes back soon!
 
Robert said:
Well, I would like his batting average to be significantly better than his bowling average. He took a big stride in this match.

#8 is too low for him to bat. But then where do you put Stokes and Bairstow? A nice problem to have, I suppose.

The nasty problem is the top order. Hope Hameed comes back soon!
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I wanted the Beard to bat higher but he has done quiet well at no.7 and if he keeps this up his numbers ought to improve anyhow so long he continues to win games for England we can't complain, he credited Saq for his bowling in the recent Test and moving forward the two could forge a very successful partnership. We also need to praise Dawson as well, he held an end which allowed Mo to attack; in England these two may do a wonderful job when the 2 spinners option is required.

In Australia the balance will change a bit but Mo will always get into the XI, chances are Rashid will come in by default because he claims to be able to bowl a bit of leg spin; then again I bet you could as well if you tried Robert !
 
James said:
Moeen is the perfect example of how numbers / statistics can be totally misleading when analysing cricket. Yes he has fairly ordinary overall numbers but when you watch England play it is clear that he is on par with Root and Anderson as the MVP.
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i would agree. Intitially he looked quite hit and miss for a while. But now I would say he is a genuine allrounder.
Whats interesting is when Woakes will come back too. Also do you think Eng should play stokes higher up and move Moeen up a bit perhaps? I would like him to bat at 6. And ultimately at 5. Ballance is bakwaas.
 
I think the fact that Moeen bats so low down the order leads people to believe that he should be a bowling all rounder. The fact that he started his international career with more success as a bowler has only enhanced that thought.

But since May last year, Moeen has averaged nearly 47 with the bat, with 4 hundreds. This is despite batting at 3, 4, 5, 7, 8 and 9. If anything, his natural position in the Test team should be number 6 - the only position he hasn't batted in over the last 14 or so months.

Moeen was never expected to be the new Graeme Swann for England. But despite that, he has still bowled England to victory on multiple occassions, as well as chipping in with crucial wickets that have led to an England win.
 
My wrist won't go into that shape [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION].
[MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION] - the return of Woakes makes the bottom half of the order look formidable! Especially now Broad has got a fifty again.

Probably, Dawson is out of these things test. We can pick another batter. Maybe it's time to try a different #3 and drop Ballance to #5 where he does so well for Yorkshire.
 
the Great Khan said:
i would agree. Intitially he looked quite hit and miss for a while. But now I would say he is a genuine allrounder.
Whats interesting is when Woakes will come back too. Also do you think Eng should play stokes higher up and move Moeen up a bit perhaps? I would like him to bat at 6. And ultimately at 5. Ballance is bakwaas.
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I think Stokes is set in stone at 6. There seems to have been an active attempt not to move him from that position either up or down so don't think there's a chance of that spot opening up in the near future. Problem with the number 5 position is that Bairstow is wasted at number 7 but can't really bat above 5 whilst keeping the gloves.
 
Robert said:
My wrist won't go into that shape [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION].
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Nonsense, I could teach you to bowl a half-decent leg-break in a couple of hours.

idrizzy said:
Moeen Ali's name on the Lord's Honour board.

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Not too shabby ey? :moali
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Proof, as if any was needed, that Birmingham continues to carry England in every respect.
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shaz619 said:
Hopefully he can maintain this consistency and improve further under saqi. For one reason or another he doesn't get rated much in general and The Beard is often underestimated; but it all works in his favour.
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Performances like this in Australia will help. Look at how Azhars reputation increased due to scoring down under.
 
Curiously he still sees himself as a batter who bowls a bit, according to the coach. Maybe this performance will change his mind.
 
Hasan123 said:
Performances like this in Australia will help. Look at how Azhars reputation increased due to scoring down under.
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Spinners tend to get slaughtered there so will be a big ask from a guy used as a part time option but if he can come out the series with his head held high in terms of his performances with the bat it will be a good tour for him, Rashid will have a very tough job
 
Hasan123 said:
When you actually think about this it's true. Sakhib hasn't won as many games. Stokes has performed but not as consistently as Moen. So in test cricket, there isn't a more impactful all rounder at the moment . Moen at number 1 then Stokes at 2.
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Cris Woaks better than both of them.
 
the Great Khan said:
i would agree. Intitially he looked quite hit and miss for a while. But now I would say he is a genuine allrounder.
Whats interesting is when Woakes will come back too. Also do you think Eng should play stokes higher up and move Moeen up a bit perhaps? I would like him to bat at 6. And ultimately at 5. Ballance is bakwaas.
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I see where you're going with that I think. And I agree. A good side would be:

Cook
Hameed
Jennings
Root (c)
Bairstow (wk)
Stokes
Moeen
Woakes
Broad
Wood
Anderson
 
shaz619 said:
Spinners tend to get slaughtered there so will be a big ask from a guy used as a part time option but if he can come out the series with his head held high in terms of his performances with the bat it will be a good tour for him, Rashid will have a very tough job
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Not expecting a lot from him with the ball. I think with the bat if he comes when the ball is old at number 7/8 he could be very dangerous vs tired bowlers and whichever spinner Aussies play.
 
Best allrounder in the world along with stokes. big luxury for eng. woakes is quality as well.
 
James said:
I see where you're going with that I think. And I agree. A good side would be:

Cook
Hameed
Jennings
Root (c)
Bairstow (wk)
Stokes
Moeen
Woakes
Broad
Wood
Anderson
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yes you read my mind. I think england have a problem with the one down and openers slot and need to make a decision on it. Hameed looks good but I'm unconvinced by jennings. I would swap Stokes and bairstow in your batting lineup. I think Stokes can bat in the middle order and should be given that responsibility or perhaps have Moeen bat there.

For the long term I think england have some batting problems. Even though we all love wathcing Moeen and Stokes bat , the fact is they do give chances and if the force is against england they can stumble with players following one after the other.
 
Hattrick for Moeen Ali! Great performance by him in this series, really has come a long way in regards to his bowling.

Joint top wicket taker in this series, 14 wickets at 18 an average of 18! Fantastic stuff!
 
Having Saqlain as coach has clearly been a great help for him. He's now learning the art of how to vary the pace throughout his spell rather than just sticking to one trajectory like he did previously.
 
the beard is killing it now. hes never gonna be a spin bowling atg.

but hes doing a very good job in this role. Also his batting is so dangerous.

Great role model as well for a lot of brit pakistani youth. seen a lot more brit paks follow english team coz of Mo.
 
but that ump lol how the hell didnt he give that lbw for the hat trick. it was plumb.
 
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Great celebrations ! Nicely bowled Mo.
 
Markhor said:
Great celebrations ! Nicely bowled Mo.
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I hadn't realised [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] was at the ground, nice hat!
 
Great stuff, the only blemish was the terrible umpiring decision for the hat-trick ball which had to be overturned. Bizarre as I think everyone watching gave it out straight away, including Atherton in the commentary box!
 
When it come to match winners, England has quite a few.
Stokes, Moeen, Buttler, Morgan all capable of single handedly winning matches. Their problem is consistency. Unfortunately for them all failed in CT semi final.
 
James said:
Great stuff, the only blemish was the terrible umpiring decision for the hat-trick ball which had to be overturned. Bizarre as I think everyone watching gave it out straight away, including Atherton in the commentary box!
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Tell me about it! I was watching it on TV and it was one of the plumbest LBWs ever
 
Moeen's arguable MVP status being strongly evidenced here. A match-winning display with bat & ball in the 2nd innings.
 
Brilliant player nowadays. Remember when some were saying he won't get to play past the last Ashes? :))
 
Surely he's in contention for Man of the Series? Crucial wickets and runs throughout the series.

He's still batting too low for my liking- should be in the top 6.
 
His batting and bowling averages seem to be in a collision course. Easily the best performer of the series.
 
Incredible performances from Moeen with both bat and the ball, he will only go from strength to strength henceforth and hopefully Saq remains as the spin bowling coach for a long time
 
Wow, a match-winning 5fer,

What a player. Worth his weight in gold MO!

Well done. Although he ain't a Pakistani I am proud of him.
 
Hope Saqi teaches him how to bowl the doosra. The next goal for Ali should be to bat so well that the management is forced to grant him a batting promotion to #5. That is where he will truly thrive.
 
Bilal7 said:
Hope Saqi teaches him how to bowl the doosra. The next goal for Ali should be to bat so well that the management is forced to grant him a batting promotion to #5. That is where he will truly thrive.
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He used to bowl a doosra when he was first called up for England but he hasn't bothered with it for years.
 
Big Mac said:
He used to bowl a doosra when he was first called up for England but he hasn't bothered with it for years.
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He said he was worried about being no-balled using his doosra so he stopped.
 
Always rated him highly , but I think contrary to popular opinion here I think it kind off helps him batting down the order . Can play freely whic suits his game and unlike other teams since Eng bat deep he gets support from other end even if they are 6 down .
 
Must be knocking on the door to be the top rated Test all-rounder after this performance.
 
Big Mac said:
He used to bowl a doosra when he was first called up for England but he hasn't bothered with it for years.
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He should call upon it from time to time. Will add another layer of danger to his bowling, especially in LOIs.
 
I only want him to be using the doosra if there is no risk that he will throw it. If he knows deep down that he will be throwing it, he should not bring it onto the field.
 
I think he's a better bowler without the doosra, and he doesn't have to overthink what and how the next delivery will be bowled. He also mentioned he wasn't overly comfortable with the doosra yet realised it may have been illegitimate.
 
First player in the history of the game to score 250 runs and take 25 wickets in a 4 test match series.
 
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Quickly becoming somewhat of an English legend. What a player, what a person. MashAllah.

Batting superbly these days and more than handy with the ball. Along with Root and Stokes, he's one of England's MVPs across formats.
 
Despite the glaring technical deficiencies in his game, when he's in the mode he is near impossible to stop.
 
Great innings from him today. He's proven me wrong. Didn't think he was international class at 1st but he has shown that he certainly is.
 
Has been playing brilliantly lately. Those shots were breathtaking.

England are a very lucky side. What talent at their disposal
 
already a legend in my eyes especially considering where he comes from!! Inspiration to all young lads growing up playing cricket on the streets!!
 
Such a gifted striker of the ball. He's in the zone right now.

One can only imagine just how brutal he'd be if someone had instilled fundamentals of technique into his batting from a young age.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Batting technique against the moving and short ball. If those foundations were laid when he was young, he'd be unstoppable. Right now, it's all natural ability he relies on.
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The short ball issue is blown out of all proportion. Not all batsmen are comfortable with it, but they play around it. Cook/Steve Waugh being two of them.

Also the moving ball is an issue for every batsmen not just Ali.

Btw, did you know Moeen played and practised daily in his back garden, which was soon converted into a pitch with netting?

he's been brought up playing with his uncle and father since he was 11. He's been in the county game for almost a decade now, if not more.

If natural ability is all that's getting him through then so be it. Other players would kill for just an ounce of that ability tbh.
 
Sherlock said:
The short ball issue is blown out of all proportion. Not all batsmen are comfortable with it, but they play around it. Cook/Steve Waugh being two of them.

Also the moving ball is an issue for every batsmen not just Ali.

Btw, did you know Moeen played and practised daily in his back garden, which was soon converted into a pitch with netting?

he's been brought up playing with his uncle and father since he was 11. He's been in the county game for almost a decade now, if not more.

If natural ability is all that's getting him through then so be it. Other players would kill for just an ounce of that ability tbh.
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Mate, I'm praising him not diminishing him. He's so incredibly gifted that all he needed were the very basics, front foot movement and alignment of the head with it to be elite. It's not that he doesn't know these things but most likely had trouble implementing them because he'd already settled into a style of play.

If instilled at a young age, ideally pre-teen or early teen years, they become the foundation of your batting and then you let your natural talent take over. Someone of Moeen's ability would've become impossible to bowl to. That's all I meant.
 
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