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But interesting comparison.. to take it further - look at what happened to Monty's career. Sure, he had his ups and downs, but if you listen to his interview in the sky sports doc on him, you see that there were times in his career where he was completely abandoned. Then he went off the rails even further. Not an isolated story I reckon with minority cricketers in England. Although lot of progress there, but still a lot more work to do.

Giles and Monty fought for that spot for a period, even though Monty was clearly the better spinner. Sure Giles had more prowess with the bat and wasn't quality in the field, but lets imagine for a second that Monty was white and Giles was brown... do you think the situation would have panned out differently?

Its not going to help any desi cricketers if every time they play poorly and someone calls for their head, people play the race card. As i teacher i know that our kids play the race card too often, which then results in good white teachers leaving to work in the suburbs for an slightly easier life. As far as Monty goes, he is grown man not a child and his inability to deal his fame is a story that has been seen by people of all races, so why does the lack of support for him have to do with his race? And for Giles was an excellent cricketer, he contributed with the bat, ball and in the field. His support of the fast bowlers in 05 was one of the reasons that they managed to sustain the pressure on ATG batting line up.
 
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The ECB could always do better as far as expanding the game's development is concerned across all communities, but playing the race card at this stage is taking it too far. Moeen is an inspiration for everyone in the country that it doesn't matter what you look like or what your background is, there is an equal oppourtunity for all so long you put the work in.

Haseeb Hameed is another prospect for the future as far as talent from minority's are concerned and England have been using Mo to plug many of their campaigns which are designed to find hidden gems. Moeen Ali and Bopara in the past have backed ECB Asian initiatives and often workshops are held in south asian communities. I think we also need to look at ourselves instead of depicting a victim mentality because it's not easy to make it as a pro cricketer, you need to be extremely dedicated in all facets and parents need to play more of a supporting role for youngsters especially.
 
This world is very cruel, no one is going to hand you everything on a plate. You have to willing to make sacrifices and focus on the things within your control, the rest will take care of itself.
 
The ECB could always do better as far as expanding the game's development is concerned across all communities, but playing the race card at this stage is taking it too far. Moeen is an inspiration for everyone in the country that it doesn't matter what you look like or what your background is, there is an equal oppourtunity for all so long you put the work in.

Haseeb Hameed is another prospect for the future as far as talent from minority's are concerned and England have been using Mo to plug many of their campaigns which are designed to find hidden gems. Moeen Ali and Bopara in the past have backed ECB Asian initiatives and often workshops are held in south asian communities. I think we also need to look at ourselves instead of depicting a victim mentality because it's not easy to make it as a pro cricketer, you need to be extremely dedicated in all facets and parents need to play more of a supporting role for youngsters especially.

Well written post. Whatever happens with Mooen from now on, he has had an amazing career, achieved more in his professional life than most people can even dream about.
As far as the victim mentality goes, its sad that some people use it as the main excuse for failure when normally looking closer to home gives better answers.
 
I think Moeen is Done ..... too much of toss it up and let the Batsmen screw it up to get a wicket !!!!!!
 
Well written post. Whatever happens with Mooen from now on, he has had an amazing career, achieved more in his professional life than most people can even dream about.
As far as the victim mentality goes, its sad that some people use it as the main excuse for failure when normally looking closer to home gives better answers.

Well said, the financial security of his family has been secured for generations; he also needs to make some smart investments and from what I can gather he isn't one to blow everything foolishly. To play 48 Tests for your country is an incredible achievement, outside Nasser I don't think any other cricketer from a minority background has achieved this feat. He is a big hero of mine and I'd like to think he should be for everyone, we can take inspiration from him in many aspects of our own pursuits.
 
Not a big deal. There hasn't been any touring spinner that has done well in Australia in recent times apart from Maharaj.
 
Not a big deal. There hasn't been any touring spinner that has done well in Australia in recent times apart from Maharaj.

Should still have been better with the bat but his prep has been far from ideal and isn't 100%. Would have made more sense to pick Crane at the start but with Stokes out they stuck with a half fit Mo.
 
Moeen Ali has had a tough tour but one Ashes tour shouldn't be the end of his career. People are acting like he didn't just have an incredible summer and has been performing poorly in the team for over a year when in reality, he has had a bad Ashes tour like most of the team and the pundits should sympathise a little bit with him. He was injured before the series even started but they had to play him since Mason Crane is raw and Crane is being treated like he is there for the experience down under. My question is where is Adil Rashid? Wisden did a good article on him and they questioned his absence in the squad. Rashid has played a few tests, is an LOI starter and has FC hundreds so he would've been the perfect option to come in for the 3rd/4th test for Moeen. Moeen has had a poor tour but the selection has been the problem with no suitable back up prepared for him.
 
Moeen Ali has had a tough tour but one Ashes tour shouldn't be the end of his career. People are acting like he didn't just have an incredible summer and has been performing poorly in the team for over a year when in reality, he has had a bad Ashes tour like most of the team and the pundits should sympathise a little bit with him. He was injured before the series even started but they had to play him since Mason Crane is raw and Crane is being treated like he is there for the experience down under. My question is where is Adil Rashid? Wisden did a good article on him and they questioned his absence in the squad. Rashid has played a few tests, is an LOI starter and has FC hundreds so he would've been the perfect option to come in for the 3rd/4th test for Moeen. Moeen has had a poor tour but the selection has been the problem with no suitable back up prepared for him.

Rashid puts down too many poor balls per over to be a test match quality spinner.
 
So in what ways is this point of yours relevant to Moeen Ali ?

The user above me said that Moeen had got a bumpier ride because of his skin colour and cultural background. My challenge to that would be the abuse of Ashley Giles, who was a white Englishman playing a Moeen-like role in the team (picked as a spinner and to add lower order runs) and got some of the roughest abuse that I have seen, from England’s own fans mainly - the press didn’t like him either of course.
 
Ashley Giles was loved by all and got a lot of support. Everyone knew he was a rubbish spinner and a decent lower order bat and accepted that. Whereas Ali's role has never been properly defined, moved up and down the order, first spinner / second spinner, and as soon as he has a bad series, calling for his head. No one ever called for Giles' head. He was welcomed by all - the proverbial 'king of Spain'.

Definitely was not welcomed by all, his nickname was the Wheely Bin and he would get “Off Off Off” chants occasionally, which you never get from England fans nowadays. Giles was always having his head called for.

Interesting that we mentioned the 05 Ashes in another post, well after Giles’ dismal display in the opening Test of that series won by Australia, he only kept his place for the series because Vaughan backed him - the fans, the press and the pundits all wanted him out.
 
Yeah, Stokes has been fantastic in this Ashes series.

Notwithstanding the fact that you have sworn an oath to defend the honor of your hero #2, it is not hard to understand why Stokes would have done much better than Moeen.

His bowling is more suited to the Australian pitches, and he is also a better batsman. Moeen has been completely undone by Lyon and the Australians have managed to rattle him mentally. With the series done and dusted and England gaining some confidence after their gallant effort in Melbourne, hopefully Moeen would be able to score some soft runs in Sydney to restore some dignity.

Stokes is simply a superior all-round cricketer; only in your world is Moeen the joint second best all-rounder today.

As far as Stokes' attitude is concerned, there is no point in overlapping it with his performance. He has severe issues and is in dire need of some anger management, but he is still a much better cricketer than the so-called saint that is Moeen.
 
So a guy who gets a cut on his spinning finger is made to play all four Tests despite not being able to spin the ball, and gets destroyed.

Meanwhile you don't want to play your backup spinner because he's played only a handful of FC games and is very raw, leaving no option but persist with an unfit player rapidly losing confidence.

Bayliss and Whittaker logic ladies and gentlemen.

Even a 150% fit Moeen would get destroyed with the ball in Australia. He is an absolutely rubbish bowler for Australian conditions, but he has been a big letdown with the bat. He was expected to carry some form into this series and scored some big runs but he has been a walking wicket.

Citing his injury is irrelevant in my opinion. It doesn't seem to have impacted his batting (he has been undone technically and mentally, not physically) and it has nothing to do with his horror show with the ball. England should have played another spinner in his stead though.
 
Not necessarily - he has been carrying an injury all series which has rendered him powerless with the ball. But I thought he would get a century somewhere. He plays spin better than Stokes but Lyon has tied him in knots. A horror tour for him.

Drop him and give Crane a run. He’s a tailender but Moeen is not scoring runs anyway.

He would have been powerless with the ball regardless of his fitness. Average finger-spinners simply don't work in Australia.
 
He had an awful Ashes, but how many Englishmen did this and last time around? People have already pointed out the fact that off-spinners don't do well in AUS.

Certainly not an finger-spinner with an injury on his finger.

He had an incredible summer, should only play when fit, and bat at 7 or 8. He was batting too high at 6 and even at 7 most of the specialist batsmen weren't doing their jobs anyway.

Resting him in Sydney isn't a bad idea, and letting him return in the summer.

Moeen is good enough for Test Cricket, but shouldn't be just a plug in the lineup depending on where the management needs him.
 
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Notwithstanding the fact that you have sworn an oath to defend the honor of your hero #2, it is not hard to understand why Stokes would have done much better than Moeen.

His bowling is more suited to the Australian pitches, and he is also a better batsman. Moeen has been completely undone by Lyon and the Australians have managed to rattle him mentally. With the series done and dusted and England gaining some confidence after their gallant effort in Melbourne, hopefully Moeen would be able to score some soft runs in Sydney to restore some dignity.

Stokes is simply a superior all-round cricketer; only in your world is Moeen the joint second best all-rounder today.

As far as Stokes' attitude is concerned, there is no point in overlapping it with his performance. He has severe issues and is in dire need of some anger management, but he is still a much better cricketer than the so-called saint that is Moeen.

As always, nothing but fantasies and delusions. Stokes let his whole country down. What he would or wouldn't have done in Australia is irrelevant because he couldn't even get on the plane. The English summer was enough to let everyone know the class of Moeen Ali. He's clearly as good as, if not better, than Stokes.

Thank you for providing yet another example of your hilarious hypocrisy. Moeen, should he play in Sydney, will simply be scoring soft runs and taking soft wickets (he probably won't play), yet "ATG" Cook's useless double century on an absolute road that did not even win them the match was a "gallant effort". Bravo.

[MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION] - Moeen has a MOTM performance in South Africa for his bowling. Much more impressive than Stokes' MOTM in Bangladesh. As for Ashwin, what he does in the future is not relevant at the moment. As of now, he is not an all-rounder.
 
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He would have been powerless with the ball regardless of his fitness. Average finger-spinners simply don't work in Australia.

He never played in any of the warm ups and came into the test series with a side strain, beyond the finger injury which probably was insignificant in the grand scheme he wasn't able to deliver with the bat due to not being at 100% and poor prep, if Stokes was in the side Mo may not have been selected but because options were thin they persisted with him. Despite this run he remains a key member of the England team and they will support him despite what foreign fans think or the pundits / journalists .
 
As always, nothing but fantasies and delusions. Stokes let his whole country down. What he would or wouldn't have done in Australia is irrelevant because he couldn't even get on the plane. The English summer was enough to let everyone know the class of Moeen Ali. He's clearly as good as, if not better, than Stokes.

Thank you for providing yet another example of your hilarious hypocrisy. Moeen, should he play in Sydney, will simply be scoring soft runs and taking soft wickets (he probably won't play), yet "ATG" Cook's useless double century on an absolute road that did not even win them the match was a "gallant effort". Bravo.

[MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION] - Moeen has a MOTM performance in South Africa for his bowling. Much more impressive than Stokes' MOTM in Bangladesh. As for Ashwin, what he does in the future is not relevant at the moment. As of now, he is not an all-rounder.

Where did you see me praise Cook's double-century? Please find a single post in the last few days where I have praised his innings. It was a good but a useless innings - as useless as Younis Khan's 150 in Sydney last year. However, England played good cricket on the whole, and the fact that are not going to be blanked 5-0 should give them some confidence moving forward.

Moeen is not in the same class as Stokes. It is not hard to realize if only you could see beyond (and overlook) the factors that have triggered in your infatuation with Moeen, but unfortunately you are not capable of that.
 
Where did you see me praise Cook's double-century? Please find a single post in the last few days where I have praised his innings. It was a good but a useless innings - as useless as Younis Khan's 150 in Sydney last year. However, England played good cricket on the whole, and the fact that are not going to be blanked 5-0 should give them some confidence moving forward.

Moeen is not in the same class as Stokes. It is not hard to realize if only you could see beyond (and overlook) the factors that have triggered in your infatuation with Moeen, but unfortunately you are not capable of that.

I don't have a big beard either mate but to say he's not in the same class is ignorant when Stokes was struggling to keep ahead of Mo in the A/R rankings and from the POV of the team both have impact value which is to be appreciated across distinct conditions.
 
He never played in any of the warm ups and came into the test series with a side strain, beyond the finger injury which probably was insignificant in the grand scheme he wasn't able to deliver with the bat due to not being at 100% and poor prep, if Stokes was in the side Mo may not have been selected but because options were thin they persisted with him. Despite this run he remains a key member of the England team and they will support him despite what foreign fans think or the pundits / journalists .

Moeen has done more than enough since the summer of 2016 to show that he more than belongs at this level, and is a vital member of the English team. To question his place in the side - or his value to English cricket - is ridiculous.

Nonetheless, this Ashes series was simply beyond his caliber. He will never be a good enough bowler for Australian pitches, and they seem to have exposed the weaknesses in his batting. I think more than the fitness and lack of practice, he lost the mental battle.

His poor performances with the ball have clearly impacted his batting. Reminds of his series in the UAE where he got manhandled with the ball and couldn't buy a run with the bat either.

He has bounced back from setbacks before and I am sure he will deliver in the summer, although the Indians won't gift him free scalps this time.
 
Moeen has done more than enough since the summer of 2016 to show that he more than belongs at this level, and is a vital member of the English team. To question his place in the side - or his value to English cricket - is ridiculous.

Nonetheless, this Ashes series was simply beyond his caliber. He will never be a good enough bowler for Australian pitches, and they seem to have exposed the weaknesses in his batting. I think more than the fitness and lack of practice, he lost the mental battle.

His poor performances with the ball have clearly impacted his batting. Reminds of his series in the UAE where he got manhandled with the ball and couldn't buy a run with the bat either.

He has bounced back from setbacks before and I am sure he will deliver in the summer, although the Indians won't gift him free scalps this time.

When you're not even 100% the mental aspect is out of the window isn't it, it's like asking a fighter with one leg to knock out his opponent that's just not going to happen. I agree australian conditions are very tough and even Yasir Shah the world number 1 and arguably a future all time great spinner found it tough in his debut tour so he probably would have been ineffective with the ball regardless and that's a fair point which we can both agree on, but I expected better from him with the bat and he is capable of better as well, it's not just the conditions but also his own physical state combined with the poor prep which has contributed to the failures, quiet frankly England should not have picked him but they were in a tough spot.
 
I don't have a big beard either mate but to say he's not in the same class is ignorant when Stokes was struggling to keep ahead of Mo in the A/R rankings and from the POV of the team both have impact value which is to be appreciated across distinct conditions.


Rankings are not everything. The fact that the chucker is still ranked as the best LOI all-rounder in the world sums up how valid the rankings are.

Apart from the last English summer, Stokes has consistently proved to be a more impactful and threatening cricketer. Hundred at Perth, double hundred in South Africa etc. are the heights that Moeen has not scaled yet.

I think the difference is the fact that when Moeen doesn't bring value to the team, he turns into a liability. Stokes has his off-days, but he is not as conditions-dependent and match situation-dependent as Moeen as.

IMO, Moeen is a very good cricketer but Stokes is a tremendous cricketer. If England could pick one, they would go for the latter 10/10 times, and so will every single team on the planet. I won't classify them as two players in the same league.

Stokes is a tier-1 all-rounder, but Moeen is tier-2.
 
Rankings are not everything. The fact that the chucker is still ranked as the best LOI all-rounder in the world sums up how valid the rankings are.

Apart from the last English summer, Stokes has consistently proved to be a more impactful and threatening cricketer. Hundred at Perth, double hundred in South Africa etc. are the heights that Moeen has not scaled yet.

I think the difference is the fact that when Moeen doesn't bring value to the team, he turns into a liability. Stokes has his off-days, but he is not as conditions-dependent and match situation-dependent as Moeen as.

IMO, Moeen is a very good cricketer but Stokes is a tremendous cricketer. If England could pick one, they would go for the latter 10/10 times, and so will every single team on the planet. I won't classify them as two players in the same league.

Stokes is a tier-1 all-rounder, but Moeen is tier-2.

They are not everything but a very good gauge, if Mo was so far behind he wouldn't be anywhere near Stokes. Both are A/R's for distinct conditions with excellent impact quality, they have their highs and lows but always deliver in a big way to make up for the setbacks. From the POV of England and picking one it's not a good comparison because one bowls pace while the other spin, Mo would be favoured on wickets that favour spin over Stokes who'd be more favoured on the current pitches in AUS for example, the fact that England persisted with Mo even though he is not even 100% just goes to show how much he means to them so the 10/10 times is OTT imo.
 
It is not Moeen's fault that England think the former is better that what he is. He is just a part-time spinner and a decent lower order player. England should consider him as just that.

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He would have been powerless with the ball regardless of his fitness. Average finger-spinners simply don't work in Australia.

How did Maharaj succeed there in his debut series? If the pacers are doing their job, spinners can do well in Australia in my opinion. Rabada, Philander, Abbott were on fire on the tour which made Maharaj's job easier. In addition to that, Maharaj is a very good talent as well.
 
Moeen has had a bad series BUT who hasn't had a bad series in the England side?? They're losing 3-0!!!
For me the major hypocracy in the media and with a few posts on here is that Mooens efforts are not taken in respect to the performances of the others.
For example before going into the 4th test Broad had 5 wickets v Moeens 3 and Broad is the supposedly the front line senior bowler bowling on fast bouncy tracks.
Cook prior to the 4th test had completely failed and we're not talking a few fifties here and there his average was around 14 in 6 innings!! I'd be dropped from my Saturday team if I'd flopped 4 times in a row let alone 6!
Simply looking at these two SENIOR players alone we can argue they cost England the Ashes ahead of any weaknesses Moeen has demonstrated.
Then you've got the undefined role of Ali. One day he's at 7 then at 5 then at 6, he's batted in practically every position. If Root or Kholi had to move around as much as that they wouldn't have the records they do now.
I'm not making huge excuses for Moeen, the entire team have played badly and when it mattered other players have been far worse than Moeen.
For his own sanity I hope he's thinking of retiring soon and focusing on more important issues.
I can foresee the politics coming back into cricket with the minorities getting less opportunities like it was in the "good old days". Moeen shouldn't have to put up with that - Vaughan and Swan shooting off their little brainless mouths on BT sport, dis graceful commentary!
Swam himself is a coward who retires half way through ashes series after getting 8 wickets at 80 a piece but then has the cheek to target Moeen who's been the most selfless player England have ever had in my lifetime.
Owful right wing media coverage of this series.
 
Moeen has had a bad series BUT who hasn't had a bad series in the England side?? They're losing 3-0!!!
For me the major hypocracy in the media and with a few posts on here is that Mooens efforts are not taken in respect to the performances of the others.
For example before going into the 4th test Broad had 5 wickets v Moeens 3 and Broad is the supposedly the front line senior bowler bowling on fast bouncy tracks.
Cook prior to the 4th test had completely failed and we're not talking a few fifties here and there his average was around 14 in 6 innings!! I'd be dropped from my Saturday team if I'd flopped 4 times in a row let alone 6!
Simply looking at these two SENIOR players alone we can argue they cost England the Ashes ahead of any weaknesses Moeen has demonstrated.
Then you've got the undefined role of Ali. One day he's at 7 then at 5 then at 6, he's batted in practically every position. If Root or Kholi had to move around as much as that they wouldn't have the records they do now.
I'm not making huge excuses for Moeen, the entire team have played badly and when it mattered other players have been far worse than Moeen.
For his own sanity I hope he's thinking of retiring soon and focusing on more important issues.
I can foresee the politics coming back into cricket with the minorities getting less opportunities like it was in the "good old days". Moeen shouldn't have to put up with that - Vaughan and Swan shooting off their little brainless mouths on BT sport, dis graceful commentary!
Swam himself is a coward who retires half way through ashes series after getting 8 wickets at 80 a piece but then has the cheek to target Moeen who's been the most selfless player England have ever had in my lifetime.
Owful right wing media coverage of this series.

I get most of your points but what is going on here:

"For his own sanity I hope he's thinking of retiring soon and focusing on more important issues.
I can foresee the politics coming back into cricket with the minorities getting less opportunities like it was in the good old days"

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You do realise the media do not decide who plays for England and which skin colours get oppourtunities. ECB have been making effort to elevate cricket at the grass root as far as minorities are concerned more then ever and Moeen has the backing / support of the dressing room which is what matters and always has, he is a highly valuable player for them and what some idiot so called pundit says is irrelevant in that aspect.
 
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Definitely was not welcomed by all, his nickname was the Wheely Bin and he would get “Off Off Off” chants occasionally, which you never get from England fans nowadays. Giles was always having his head called for.

Interesting that we mentioned the 05 Ashes in another post, well after Giles’ dismal display in the opening Test of that series won by Australia, he only kept his place for the series because Vaughan backed him - the fans, the press and the pundits all wanted him out.

Yes, but it was all tongue-in-cheek with Giles. Everyone knew he was not a very good spinner and was there to play a holding role. He would get grief, but people always pointed to the role he played in the team. As you can see from posters above who also replied, in the '05 ashes he was a hero, and people recognized the limited but important contribution he made to the team. The way Swann and Boycott go on about it, it sounds like they expect Moeen to become a frontline spinner. When was he ever picked for that?

Also, not sure if you noticed my other post about Moeen and Panesar. It was just below my first reply to you.
 
How did Maharaj succeed there in his debut series? If the pacers are doing their job, spinners can do well in Australia in my opinion. Rabada, Philander, Abbott were on fire on the tour which made Maharaj's job easier. In addition to that, Maharaj is a very good talent as well.

Maharaj is 100x the bowler Moeen ever will be.
 
Show’a how useful the overhyped cheerleader Saqlain Mushtaq has been for Moeen.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] Not sure why Cook has come into this but while his runs recently would have been more useful when the series was alive they are still valued, as an England fan 4-0 is better then 5-0.
 
Moeen has had a bad series BUT who hasn't had a bad series in the England side?? They're losing 3-0!!!
For me the major hypocracy in the media and with a few posts on here is that Mooens efforts are not taken in respect to the performances of the others.
For example before going into the 4th test Broad had 5 wickets v Moeens 3 and Broad is the supposedly the front line senior bowler bowling on fast bouncy tracks.
Cook prior to the 4th test had completely failed and we're not talking a few fifties here and there his average was around 14 in 6 innings!! I'd be dropped from my Saturday team if I'd flopped 4 times in a row let alone 6!
Simply looking at these two SENIOR players alone we can argue they cost England the Ashes ahead of any weaknesses Moeen has demonstrated.
Then you've got the undefined role of Ali. One day he's at 7 then at 5 then at 6, he's batted in practically every position. If Root or Kholi had to move around as much as that they wouldn't have the records they do now.
I'm not making huge excuses for Moeen, the entire team have played badly and when it mattered other players have been far worse than Moeen.
For his own sanity I hope he's thinking of retiring soon and focusing on more important issues.
I can foresee the politics coming back into cricket with the minorities getting less opportunities like it was in the "good old days". Moeen shouldn't have to put up with that - Vaughan and Swan shooting off their little brainless mouths on BT sport, dis graceful commentary!
Swam himself is a coward who retires half way through ashes series after getting 8 wickets at 80 a piece but then has the cheek to target Moeen who's been the most selfless player England have ever had in my lifetime.
Owful right wing media coverage of this series.

There was some pretty big calls for Broad to be dropped for the 4th test.
 
Versus Scotland yesterday was such a pressure situation.

And he threw it away with a senseless shot. The match was in England’s hand at that point, all they needed to do was rotate the strike.
 
No matter how often people repeat themselves, Mooen is not in the same class as Stokes.
 
Moeen should be the last person blamed for yesterday’s loss.

If anything, it should be the middle order who failed to capitalize on the start given by the top.

Moeen came in with them needing 125 at more than 7 an over and carried ENG along with Plunkett from 276-7 to 346-7.
 
He's wasted down the order in LOIs. Made a sublime 100 for Worcs the other day in the OD cup whilst opening the batting. England have tried to make a bowler out of him when he had the potential to deliver so much more as a genuine quality strokemaker at the top of the order.
 
No one is blaming Moeen, but he did not cover himself in glory either. Did he prove himself under pressure? No he did not.

He played a poor shot when England were in control of the proceedings. A shot that was not on at all.
 
He's wasted down the order in LOIs. Made a sublime 100 for Worcs the other day in the OD cup whilst opening the batting. England have tried to make a bowler out of him when he had the potential to deliver so much more as a genuine quality strokemaker at the top of the order.

He batted at three in that game against Worcs.
 
No one is blaming Moeen, but he did not cover himself in glory either. Did he prove himself under pressure? No he did not.

He played a poor shot when England were in control of the proceedings. A shot that was not on at all.

It wasn't a poor shot, that's how he bats; if it had gone for 6 he would be praised. Mo got them into a decent position to win when they were all but dead, sure he deserves a little criticism but no where near the others, at least he held an end and gave Eng a chance with the bat. Adil Rashid was the pivotal reason for the loss, first for his pathetic bowling spell and then a brain fade run out; terrible terrible cricketer.

As for the comparison with Stokes, Mo is light years ahead which is why he has more man of the match awards then him in Tests.
 
It wasn't a poor shot, that's how he bats; if it had gone for 6 he would be praised. Mo got them into a decent position to win when they were all but dead, sure he deserves a little criticism but no where near the others, at least he held an end and gave Eng a chance with the bat. Adil Rashid was the pivotal reason for the loss, first for his pathetic bowling spell and then a brain fade run out; terrible terrible cricketer.

As for the comparison with Stokes, Mo is light years ahead which is why he has more man of the match awards then him in Tests.

He brought us back into it but to suggest the shot was anything other than brainless after literally just getting the RRR under a run a ball would be silly.
 
It wasn't a poor shot, that's how he bats; if it had gone for 6 he would be praised. Mo got them into a decent position to win when they were all but dead, sure he deserves a little criticism but no where near the others, at least he held an end and gave Eng a chance with the bat. Adil Rashid was the pivotal reason for the loss, first for his pathetic bowling spell and then a brain fade run out; terrible terrible cricketer.

As for the comparison with Stokes, Mo is light years ahead which is why he has more man of the match awards then him in Tests.

“That’s the way he bats” is not an excuse. You have to alter the way you approach the game based on the match situation.

Moeen played a good innings, but he played a senseless shot when all England needed to do was rotate the strike.

He is a good all-rounder, but he is not world class like Stokes. He doesn’t have the same aura and peer reputation, and it is easy to understand why.

Moeen has barely any impact with the ball and bowls harmless pies most of the time. He is a good batsman but he hasn’t played the type of knocks that Stokes has.

Stokes is the most prized all-rounder in the world and every single team would prefer to have him over Moeen. That alone sums up who the better cricketer is.

As far as MoM awards are concerned, it is not the sole criteria. Afridi has more MoM awards than Viv Richards and Wasim. Doesn’t prove anything.

Apart from a couple of series, Moeen has consistently been in Stokes’ shadow.
 
“That’s the way he bats” is not an excuse. You have to alter the way you approach the game based on the match situation.

Moeen played a good innings, but he played a senseless shot when all England needed to do was rotate the strike.

He is a good all-rounder, but he is not world class like Stokes. He doesn’t have the same aura and peer reputation, and it is easy to understand why.

Moeen has barely any impact with the ball and bowls harmless pies most of the time. He is a good batsman but he hasn’t played the type of knocks that Stokes has.

Stokes is the most prized all-rounder in the world and every single team would prefer to have him over Moeen. That alone sums up who the better cricketer is.

As far as MoM awards are concerned, it is not the sole criteria. Afridi has more MoM awards than Viv Richards and Wasim. Doesn’t prove anything.

Apart from a couple of series, Moeen has consistently been in Stokes’ shadow.

He deserves some criticism but without Mo England wouldn't have had a chance and it is because of the way he bats that they found themselves in a position to win.

Mo is not only world class he is elite and the greatest spin bowling all rounder to come out of England. Stokes made his debut ahead of him and couldn't even play as many Tests because he's fragile and mentally ill given his behaviours; not the type of idiot you want at the highest level to be honest.

MOM is a great reflection of Mo's incredible impact ability and his superior abilities over Stokes in this moment in time; plus he inspires an entire nation with his glorious beard and muslim identity, we are the elite amongst the first world country's and Mo puts the UNITED in UNITED Kingdom. When it's all said and done, Stokes will end his career most likely with a ban and Mo will be rated as one of the all time British greats, he will also be knighted by the Queen and you will be forced to call him Sir.
 
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He deserves some criticism but without Mo England wouldn't have had a chance and it is because of the way he bats that they found themselves in a position to win.

Mo is not only world class he is elite and the greatest spin bowling all rounder to come out of England. Stokes made his debut ahead of him and couldn't even play as many Tests because he's fragile and mentally ill given his behaviours; not the type of idiot you want at the highest level to be honest.

MOM is a great reflection of Mo's incredible impact ability and his superior abilities over Stokes in this moment in time; plus he inspires an entire nation with his glorious beard and muslim identity, we are the elite amongst the first world country's and Mo puts the UNITED in UNITED Kingdom. When it's all said and done, Stokes will end his career most likely with a ban and Mo will be rated as one of the all time British greats, he will also be knighted by the Queen and you will be forced to call him Sir.

Moeen might be the greatest spin bowling all-rounder out of England, but that doesn't mean much because England have a poor legacy when it comes to spin bowling. Even on that front, I am uncertain because Swann was a 100x the bowler Moeen ever will be, and he was more than handy with the bat.

Swann's weaker suit (batting) was better than Moeen's stronger suit (batting), and his stronger suit was far, far better than Moeen's stronger suit. Also, well done on not addressing any of the points that I raised.

Your only defense is that Moeen is from your city and he is role model for the Muslim community in the UK, which means absolutely nothing in cricketing terms. There is no point in playing the victim card - the world doesn't rate Moeen as a world class all-rounder because of his persona; they don't rate him as a world class all-rounder because he is not.

Amla, in spite of having a beard, was considered as one of the top batsmen in the world for a number of years because he deserved it. If Moeen raises his game, he will get his due credit.
 
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He deserves some criticism but without Mo England wouldn't have had a chance and it is because of the way he bats that they found themselves in a position to win.

Mo is not only world class he is elite and the greatest spin bowling all rounder to come out of England. Stokes made his debut ahead of him and couldn't even play as many Tests because he's fragile and mentally ill given his behaviours; not the type of idiot you want at the highest level to be honest.

MOM is a great reflection of Mo's incredible impact ability and his superior abilities over Stokes in this moment in time; plus he inspires an entire nation with his glorious beard and muslim identity, we are the elite amongst the first world country's and Mo puts the UNITED in UNITED Kingdom. When it's all said and done, Stokes will end his career most likely with a ban and Mo will be rated as one of the all time British greats, he will also be knighted by the Queen and you will be forced to call him Sir.

Lol sure thing Mo has a lot of ability but unfortunately is too airy fairy to be ever called a great
 
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Moeen might be the greatest spin bowling all-rounder out of England, but that doesn't mean much because England have a poor legacy when it comes to spin bowling. Even on that front, I am uncertain because Swann was a 100x the bowler Moeen ever will be, and he was more than handy with the bat.

Swann's weaker suit (batting) was better than Moeen's stronger suit (batting), and his stronger suit was far, far better than Moeen's stronger suit. Also, well done on not addressing any of the points that I raised.

Your only defense is that Moeen is from your city and he is role model for the Muslim community in the UK, which means absolutely nothing in cricketing terms. There is no point in playing the victim card - the world doesn't rate Moeen as a world class all-rounder because of his persona; they don't rate him as a world class all-rounder because he is not.

Amla, in spite of having a beard, was considered as one of the top batsmen in the world for a number of years because he deserved it. If Moeen raises his game, he will get his due credit.

Mo scored a quick fire ton and took a few wickets in an LO game just before the England match, he was in red hot form. Any England captain would have wanted him in the side. He was looking in good touch too out in the middle and was right to go for the shot but it didn't pay off.

Your criticism of Mo is just outside the realm of reality and it's clear you have personal issue with him because of what you post.
 
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Mo scored a quick fire ton and took a few wickets in an LO game just before the England match, he was in red hot form. Any England captain would have wanted him in the side. He was looking in good touch too out in the middle and was right to go for the shot but it didn't pay off.

Your criticism of Mo is just outside the realm of reality and it's clear you have personal issue with him because of what you post.

You accuse me of having a bias against Moeen, yet you ignore the fact that I was critical of England’s decision to drop him from the Test squad.

He had an excellent summer last year, and he was always going to fail in ANZ, so the selectors should have shown some perspective and given him another opportunity to shine at home.

Bess looks a good prospect, but he is not better than Moeen at this point.

As far as LOIs are concerned, I don’t think he makes a full-strength England team. However, with Stokes and Buttler unavailable, he makes the team by default.

As far as the innings is concerned, he played well, but he played a poor shot that lost England the game.

The RRR was below 6, and there was no need of taking on the outfielders.

It is funny and ironic that you accuse me of having “personal issues” with Moeen, when your pro bias for him can be seen from the moon.

You have no objectivity when it comes to judging him, because you deeply care about the fact that he is an inspiration and an ambassador for British Muslims.

If he didn’t have the persona that he has, he wouldn’t have been rated so highly. Similarly, if Stokes was Moeen and Moeen was Stokes, all the people who rate him higher would have rated Stokes higher in that case.

It is hysterical when Moeen cheerleaders accuse others for having a bias against him.
 
You accuse me of having a bias against Moeen, yet you ignore the fact that I was critical of England’s decision to drop him from the Test squad.

He had an excellent summer last year, and he was always going to fail in ANZ, so the selectors should have shown some perspective and given him another opportunity to shine at home.

Bess looks a good prospect, but he is not better than Moeen at this point.

As far as LOIs are concerned, I don’t think he makes a full-strength England team. However, with Stokes and Buttler unavailable, he makes the team by default.

As far as the innings is concerned, he played well, but he played a poor shot that lost England the game.

The RRR was below 6, and there was no need of taking on the outfielders.

It is funny and ironic that you accuse me of having “personal issues” with Moeen, when your pro bias for him can be seen from the moon.

You have no objectivity when it comes to judging him, because you deeply care about the fact that he is an inspiration and an ambassador for British Muslims.

If he didn’t have the persona that he has, he wouldn’t have been rated so highly. Similarly, if Stokes was Moeen and Moeen was Stokes, all the people who rate him higher would have rated Stokes higher in that case.

It is hysterical when Moeen cheerleaders accuse others for having a bias against him.

I dont read all your posts so must have missed your views on his test selection.

I have no bias when it comes to his cricketing selection but I do support him because he is from the same area as myself.

My view on your anti-Moeen stance I believe is fair as you tend to mention his beard on a regular basis, which has nothing to do with his cricketing skills.

Again Mo is in red hot form, you obviously dont follow him so have no clue. However the England camp and those who follow his progress know.
 
I dont read all your posts so must have missed your views on his test selection.

I have no bias when it comes to his cricketing selection but I do support him because he is from the same area as myself.

My view on your anti-Moeen stance I believe is fair as you tend to mention his beard on a regular basis, which has nothing to do with his cricketing skills.

Again Mo is in red hot form, you obviously dont follow him so have no clue. However the England camp and those who follow his progress know.


And I am not opposing his selection; I simply don’t agree with the notion that he is better than Stokes.
 
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And I am not opposing his selection; I simply don’t agree with the notion that he is better than Stokes.

Fair enough, my bad.

That's another discussion but imo Stokes shouldn't even be selected until his trial for violence is over.
 
Fair enough, my bad.

That's another discussion but imo Stokes shouldn't even be selected until his trial for violence is over.

Some won't comprehend this especially the violence part, Stokes is a nightmare to deal with and can't even be relied on to play consistently at the highest level; how can he be considered even as an option over Mo and secondly the two have different roles in the team anyway. Mo gets stick for his away record but Stokes has hardly set the world on fire himself unless he got some favourable conditions and Mo has been more impactful at home then him.

He has done the damage today as well and won the game for England, it's funny how these ignorant people never come out when he does well.
 
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India vs England: Dad restless as Moeen Ali’s place in playing XI undecided

Munir Ali remembers sitting down his 15-year old son for some home truths. “Give me two years of your life. I will give you the rest of life. You are unique, you are better than anyone else.” Moeen would say, ‘no questions about my academics? “No, don’t worry. It’s going to be just cricket for you.” A Test cricketer was born. Only, it wasn’t as simple as that. If not for the father Munir and his uncle’s sacrifices, it’s difficult to see how Moeen could have played for England. Munir fought with establishment at Warwickshire, he pushed the coaches, he left his job to take his boys around for games, took psychology lessons and cricket coaching levels – basically a life devoted to sons and the game.

As the chat progresses in his home, it’s the big expressive eyes that you notice, shifting from joy to pain associated with his memories. But at the start you register the missing beard, the kind his son, Moeen, has. Munir’s mother was English and it was only a few years back, when Moeen turned 19 and embraced Islam that religion entered Munir’s headspace.

It was a West Indian who initiated Moeen’s faith. “There was a West Indian supporter Wally who used to follow young Moeen’s game, and he taught Moeen about Islam,” says Munir. His other son Kadeer, who also played county cricket, takes the story further. It was the month of Ramadan and Kadeer was worried about Moeen, “a fiery little bugger”. “His friends weren’t disciplined, they were not bad guys but you know, I thought Moeen was wasting his talent. That’s why I was happy to see the change. He wasn’t a calm boy, growing up, but as he has gotten older and deeper into religion, he has grown a lot calmer. It has had a great effect on his cricket, and life. By that Ramadan, almost overnight, he was a different man.”

It wasn’t an easy journey, though. Munir remembers sitting at the ground at Worcester when Moeen walked out to bat. A loud voiced boomed out from the crowd, “Shave off the beard!”. Munir had already been hearing the murmurs in English cricket about Moeen’s faith.

“Even some coaches. They would gently tell you, ‘look, this is England, think about that beard.’ I got worried and went to Moeen who clearly told me that this was him. He wasn’t going to bother about the criticism. It wasn’t easy of course. Once, on a developmental tour to India, the coach (I am not going to name him) told him to trim the beard. Moeen told him, ‘I will leave cricket today but will not leave my belief and this is my belief. If I play, I will play with what I am. He didn’t play a single match there. End of tour, they asked Moeen what he learnt from tour, he said, ‘nothing, just net practice, I could have done it in England. Everyone else played but he wasn’t played and he knew it was because of beard.”

Munir was worried but Moeen came back and piled up the performances in county and he was back in the fold of English cricket. Things began to change for better.

In the past, Moeen has talked about how Graeme Hick once cleared all his kitbag from the dressing room in Taunton so that he could do his namaaz. In July 2014, in a Test match against India, Moeen wore wristbands read “Save Gaza” and “Free Palestine” while batting. He has helped in raising funds for Gaza relief efforts in his home city.

“Was I surprised? Kadeer says, “let me just say that he did what he believed in. I don’t think he expected it to blow up big as it did.”

It was back pain that Moeen must thank for his transformation into an offspinner. He was a fast bowler and had even got into Worchestershire second teams for his ability to bowl pace and his batting of course. One day when he was 14, with the back niggle restricting him, Munir went up to a coach Steve Perriman to let his son just bat. Then, as a passing remark, he added, “Have you seen him bowl off spin?” No, he doesn’t bowl. “Oh yes, I have seen, he has a good action.” Perriman turned to Moeen, who said he bowls it occasionally. “Steve took a box with six balls and gave it to Moeen. It was an indoors net, there were no batsmen, and Moeen bowled four balls. Steve walked over and told him, “that’s it. No more fast bowling for you. With that action, you can play for England one day as an off spinner.”

At every cricketing turn of Moeen, his father has been at ever-present. The cricketing dream of Munir had started when Kabir Ali, his twin brother’s son who has played for England, started to show great talent as a kid. “As Kabir started to progress through junior cricket, my brother and I started to understand how the system works. I wanted my sons to play the game and along with Kabir, we were hoping at least one or two can go all the way.”

Munir’s brother had a decent-sized garden at his home, and the brothers dug it up to prepare a pitch. Then they shelled out 3000 pounds (It was 1996 and huge money for us) to buy a bowling machine. They used to hire nets sessions at Edgbaston for the kids; now they could home school them at cricket. The rest of the family weren’t happy. “They thought we had gone balmy.” Munir’s father in particular wasn’t chuffed. “He would curse and swear, saying we were wasting the kids’ lives.”

Munir’s father had come to England in the 1940’s from Mirpur in Pakistan-administered Kashmir. He had sent the twins, 18 to 20 months old, back to Pakistan for education. Only at the age of 10, did they come back to England.

Though, he couldn’t play serious cricket, he could never be kept away from the game. Munir would further enrage his father when he quit his job as male nurse so that he could fery his sons for cricket in the summer and spend all his time on the field. At some point, he rejoined his job, at a nursing home. This time, he managed the summer rota better, resulting in more time for his kids. “I remember my father didn’t have 10 pounds for petrol once. We were on the road then, he spent all his money on petrol, and was left with one pound with which he bought some bread for the family,” Kadeer says.

Once, on his way to drop Kadeer at some game, Munir felt a pain in the heart. He had worked the last two days at the hospital. “There were three deaths at the hospital, so I had no sleep. Next morning I somehow managed to drop Kadeer, and drove to hospital.” He didn’t leave the bed for the next week. “It was an angio-attack and I was bedridden.”

Moeen’s cricketing dream might have been seriously hurt for the worst when he was hit by a car at the age of 13. It wasn’t an accident but a mindless hate attack that leaves Munir enraged even in recounting it now. Munir was waiting around the bend from school to pick up Mooen for practice when he got a call from a shopkeeper. “Moeen has been hit by a car.” I rushed to find his leg bleeding. I thought it was broken. I ask him what happened and he tells me that this man was trying to kill him.” Apparently, Moeen was walking just behind two girls from his school, when a young man said something to the girls who walked away.

Thinking Moeen was with them, the enraged youth revved his car and hit Moeen, who fell into the bush. “I ask that guy why did he do that, and he goes, ‘He is lucky to be alive. I wanted to kill him.’ When he said kill, I lost it. I punched his face, and began to beat him when the police arrived. And I remember telling, ‘If I was trying to kill your son, what would you do officer?’.” He was allowed to go, and Moeen was taken to the hospital. “He was limping for quite a while, but we never stopped the practice! We shifted to catching and stuff.” Oh well.

It hasn’t been all painful memories of course. A banter with a friend over the abilities of their respective sons’ cricketing skills leads to this amusing story. “His son Zeeshan was a left-arm spinner who had taken wickets in the previous game. He was coached by his father on how to bowl to Moeen. I told Moeen, ‘Mera parda rakh! (Keep my respect). Whatever you do, don’t get out to him’. He said, ‘relax, don’t worry dad’. His team scored 245 and Moeen was 195 not out. After two good overs, Zeeshan finished with 4/60.” Laughter fills the air.

The Moeen flip book moves to his debut. Munir was emotional and all Kadeer could mumble out was, “You have made us proud, Moeen.” Munir remembers being a nervous wreck at the stadium, sitting with his wife, sons and daughter. England lose four wickets when his daughter said, “Dad, Moeen is coming out.” Munir put his head down. “I couldn’t see. I didn’t even see the start.” All those years of sweat and sacrifice for this moment but he just couldn’t look up. “There was a big roar and I looked up at the big screen to see the ball racing to the boundary.” Only after a while, did he start watching his son. “I was so nervous that my hands and leg were shaking, and I accidentally bumped my foot against a lady next to me. She said, “Are you nervous, Mr Ali? I too was. I look up at her and she says, “I am Gary Balance’s mom.”

Moeen hit 48 and Munir was a bit disappointed about the fifty. “Two more runs! I was greedy but I was so so happy that my son was now playing international cricket for England. My dream had come true.”

That dream is under a bit of cloud now. A bad Ashes performance where he played through “side strain that prevented him from pivoting properly and a fracture in fingers that were glued together” has meant he has been in and out under Joe Root’s captaincy. With Ben Stokes’s absence due to the ongoing trial for the night-club incident, it remains to be seen whether Moeen gets one more chance. “Moeen is calm as ever.” Munir is the one who is restless. Very restless.

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...n-alis-place-in-playing-xi-undecided-5296688/
 
Here comes the monthly Moeen Ali life story article.

Yes it is great that he had to struggle a lot to get to the top and had to overcome so many sociocultural and racial barriers, but we have heard it a thousand times now.

I think the media need to look for a new player and a new backstory now. The Moeen story has ran its course, and he needs to be treated like any other player now.
 
I'm sure he'd much rather be in Nottingham with the England Test team but he scored his maiden T20 century last night, scoring 115 off 56 balls!
 
Here comes the monthly Moeen Ali life story article.

Yes it is great that he had to struggle a lot to get to the top and had to overcome so many sociocultural and racial barriers, but we have heard it a thousand times now.

I think the media need to look for a new player and a new backstory now. The Moeen story has ran its course, and he needs to be treated like any other player now.

Objectively if he is judged then there is no denying he would have been a lot more suitable then Rashid given the conditions in these first 3 Tests, am more then open to the idea of dropping him especially when a player is not suitable or there is a better option. But what has Rashid's impact been exactly so far? furthermore, in English conditions especially Mo has been terrific.

This is why at the very least he has remained an option in the squad, from his POV it is not terrible to sit out because he had a bad season largely due to poor prep and injury but some time away from the game can help to but I struggle to see how any England fan would not pick him over Rashid when there is hardly much in the wicket for a spinner to the point where he is barely given a bowl and is looking toothless every time he is given a bowl, at the Oval I would have no issue him being selected Over Mo
 
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Moeen Ali stakes claim for England recall with double century and four wickets

Moeen Ali staked his claim for an England recall as he completed the second double century of his first-class career and then struck four times with the ball to drive Worcestershire towards a crucial Specsavers County Championship victory over Yorkshire at Scarborough.

The Worcestershire captain started day three unbeaten on 107 and went on to make 219 in his side’s first-innings 572 for seven as they replied to 216.

Moeen hit 27 fours and four leg-side sixes in his superb 277-ball knock, supplemented by opener Daryl Mitchell’s equally impressive 178 off 333. Moeen and Mitchell completed a second-wicket stand of 294 in 75.3 overs, which started during Monday’s second day.

Division One’s bottom side, chasing their second win of the campaign, prevented Yorkshire from claiming a single bowling bonus point before declaring with a lead of 356 and 52 overs remaining in the day.

Yorkshire then reached stumps on 140 for six from 52 overs, a deficit of 216. Kane Williamson top-scored with 61. Moeen claimed his first two wickets in his first two overs before tea and finished with four for 35 from 18 overs.

Worcestershire’s total was their highest against Yorkshire, breaking a 114-year record after their 456 for eight at New Road in 1904. Moeen’s score was also the highest by a *visiting batsman in championship cricket on this ground. Both Moeen and Mitchell were watchful during the second day, while the latter played in a similar manner through the third morning until he edged a cut at Adam Lyth’s off-spin to slip before lunch.

Moeen was back to his usual free-flowing self during the first session and a half as he strengthened his case to play in the fourth Test against India at the Ageas Bowl next week, before miscuing Tim Bresnan high to point.

Openers Lyth and Harry Brook then took Yorkshire’s second innings to 37 before Moeen’s fourth ball had the former lbw.

Then, in the final over of the *session, Moeen’s second, he had Brook caught at mid-on as he needlessly attempted to go over the top.

Moeen then had Gary Ballance caught at second slip pushing forwards and had Tom Kohler-Cadmore lbw offering no shot as the score fell to 116 for four in the 38th.

Wayne Parnell, the left-arm quick from South Africa, benefited from two poor shots at wide balls from Williamson and Bresnan, whose attempted uppercut flashed to second slip as the score slipped to 138 for six, with Worcestershire completely in control.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket...m-england-recall-double-century-four-wickets/
 
Expect a lot of short pitched deliveries from Bumrah, Shami, Pandya and Ishant directed at his chest and head if he returns.
 
After what Moeen did last time round I'm surprised Adil was chosen ahead of him.

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A Cook (give him all the matches, if he doesn't perform, drop him forever)
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J Root *
O Pope
M Ali
B Stokes
J Buttler +
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S Curran
S Broad
J Anderson
 
After what Moeen did last time round I'm surprised Adil was chosen ahead of him.

The selectors probably considered the fact that the last time England played India (which was in India), Moeen was absolutely horrible (10 wkts at an average of 64.9) while Rashid was relatively decent (23 wkts at an average of 37.43).

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...s=1;template=results;type=bowling;view=series
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...s=1;template=results;type=bowling;view=series

It is difficult to believe that a spinner will do better on English pitches than on Indian pitches. Would you want to play a bowler in England against India when his average last time was 64.9?
 
Jack leach also taken 8 wickets today so I think Rashid got to make way for moeen or leach.
 
I don't know why this guy was dropped in first place. What an exceptional player he is. On a hat trick now. On fire.
 
England were foolish to not play Moeen from the start of the series. He's arguably their MVP at home and should be a fixture of the English side moving forward. Rashid also deserves a place in the squad at least.

The selectors probably considered the fact that the last time England played India (which was in India), Moeen was absolutely horrible (10 wkts at an average of 64.9) while Rashid was relatively decent (23 wkts at an average of 37.43).

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...s=1;template=results;type=bowling;view=series
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...s=1;template=results;type=bowling;view=series

It is difficult to believe that a spinner will do better on English pitches than on Indian pitches. Would you want to play a bowler in England against India when his average last time was 64.9?

After this innings, absolutely yes.
 
The reason Moeen manages to earn success against India in England is because the fast bowlers manage to create pressure on Indian batsmen in England but that isn't the case in India.
 
Moeen haters are delusional. People calling him 'mediocre' are mediocre themselves :yk

Whenever he performs --> Fluke. Delusion disorder :facepalm:
 
England were foolish to not play Moeen from the start of the series. He's arguably their MVP at home and should be a fixture of the English side moving forward. Rashid also deserves a place in the squad at least.

After this innings, absolutely yes.

You win this one :)

Also good to know you have been reading my posts.
 
If we ignore the rubbish a big portion of Indians keep spewing given that they are still traumatised by what Moeen did to them in 2014, his race, religion and petty feuds people want to settle like little children on this forum; perhaps everyone can be a little objective for once.

He had some tough away tours, this is true but if we look at them within context we'd have seen how his preparation was poor due to a lack of warm up games and additionally he was not 100% fit given a side strain which did not allow him to pivot and a fracture in the fingers which were glued together but due to a certain someone options were thin and he was forced to play in places where it is tough for any international to begin with. But this is true, he doesn't have the best record away.

However, while some time away from the game has no doubt benefited him; I found it shocking that he was overlooked ahead of a player who had retired from FC cricket especially in conditions which would have been more suitable for Moeen Ali and his skill set. They had picked Rashid and we couldn't do much about that, fair enough! but if he were to play it would have been a lot more logical to play him on wickets with a bit in it for him. What we saw was, Rashid play in seamer friendly conditions and often not even get a bowl because it didn't make any sense....

Mo can get criticised from every POV, but one fact that can never be disputed is his stellar record in England which is also advocated by his impact ability which has resulted in 5 Man of the Match awards; this is just one less then Joe Root's tally. But despite this he remains a very poignant figure when it comes to criticism in general, it's safe to say he has found himself under the spotlight from day one and there has always been so much pressure on his shoulders. The one group of people and the most important people who have not abandoned him are the England fans, yes the relationship has been tough from the days when folk in the crowd would shout 'shave that beard' during his younger days heck this advice was also given to him in India! and even coaches would actually point to his father and ask questions if he had serious England aspirations but he has won everyone's hearts! Heck there was a time when Graeme Hick cleared the dressing room so he could perform his prayers! am not particularly religious but these are the types of gestures that put United in the Greatest Kingdom of all times.

It's not easy being Moeen Ali but he remains England's biggest match winners, playing one Test for your country is a huge honour but to play over 50 is no joke and it clearly shows that there is ability. Moreover his feats have been absolutely fantastic when you also factor in how his role in the team has never been defined. Every performance can't be a fluke or as a consequence of others in the team, this is Test cricket and we have a situation where a part time bowler, a batsman or bowler bat or a bat bowler; you can call him whatever you like! but he comes in and does the job a specialist should be doing! How about people cut him some slack for once and give credit where due, this Indian team is one of the best against spin in the world and lets be honest, majority expected him to get slaughtered once again but to even take 5 in a Test again this no.1 team is a great accomplishment home or away never mind that crucial partnership with young Sam in challenging circumstances.

In Moeen Ali's own words 'I know deep down that I'm not the perfect or a top spinner but I know that, given my day, I can bowl a side out. But the next game I could bowl terribly and the same can be said about my batting and am trying to get better'. Very few can be so reflective and humble, but these qualities don't get you selected for England, he has had to overcome many unusual obstacles during his journey and from a cricketing POV he has always displayed heart to bounce back, there will be many days where Mo is likely to fail no doubt but if you back him he will pay you back in double with match winning performances.
 
If we ignore the rubbish a big portion of Indians keep spewing given that they are still traumatised by what Moeen did to them in 2014, his race, religion and petty feuds people want to settle like little children on this forum; perhaps everyone can be a little objective for once.

He had some tough away tours, this is true but if we look at them within context we'd have seen how his preparation was poor due to a lack of warm up games and additionally he was not 100% fit given a side strain which did not allow him to pivot and a fracture in the fingers which were glued together but due to a certain someone options were thin and he was forced to play in places where it is tough for any international to begin with. But this is true, he doesn't have the best record away.

However, while some time away from the game has no doubt benefited him; I found it shocking that he was overlooked ahead of a player who had retired from FC cricket especially in conditions which would have been more suitable for Moeen Ali and his skill set. They had picked Rashid and we couldn't do much about that, fair enough! but if he were to play it would have been a lot more logical to play him on wickets with a bit in it for him. What we saw was, Rashid play in seamer friendly conditions and often not even get a bowl because it didn't make any sense....

Mo can get criticised from every POV, but one fact that can never be disputed is his stellar record in England which is also advocated by his impact ability which has resulted in 5 Man of the Match awards; this is just one less then Joe Root's tally. But despite this he remains a very poignant figure when it comes to criticism in general, it's safe to say he has found himself under the spotlight from day one and there has always been so much pressure on his shoulders. The one group of people and the most important people who have not abandoned him are the England fans, yes the relationship has been tough from the days when folk in the crowd would shout 'shave that beard' during his younger days heck this advice was also given to him in India! and even coaches would actually point to his father and ask questions if he had serious England aspirations but he has won everyone's hearts! Heck there was a time when Graeme Hick cleared the dressing room so he could perform his prayers! am not particularly religious but these are the types of gestures that put United in the Greatest Kingdom of all times.

It's not easy being Moeen Ali but he remains England's biggest match winners, playing one Test for your country is a huge honour but to play over 50 is no joke and it clearly shows that there is ability. Moreover his feats have been absolutely fantastic when you also factor in how his role in the team has never been defined. Every performance can't be a fluke or as a consequence of others in the team, this is Test cricket and we have a situation where a part time bowler, a batsman or bowler bat or a bat bowler; you can call him whatever you like! but he comes in and does the job a specialist should be doing! How about people cut him some slack for once and give credit where due, this Indian team is one of the best against spin in the world and lets be honest, majority expected him to get slaughtered once again but to even take 5 in a Test again this no.1 team is a great accomplishment home or away never mind that crucial partnership with young Sam in challenging circumstances.

In Moeen Ali's own words 'I know deep down that I'm not the perfect or a top spinner but I know that, given my day, I can bowl a side out. But the next game I could bowl terribly and the same can be said about my batting and am trying to get better'. Very few can be so reflective and humble, but these qualities don't get you selected for England, he has had to overcome many unusual obstacles during his journey and from a cricketing POV he has always displayed heart to bounce back, there will be many days where Mo is likely to fail no doubt but if you back him he will pay you back in double with match winning performances.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mum just got really excited about Moeen Ali’s 5fa. Have to agree - love him as a cricketer <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvIND</a></p>— Isa Guha (@isaguha) <a href="https://twitter.com/isaguha/status/1035559118436749313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">31 August 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Moeen Ali turns corner after gruelling Ashes: 'It is about believing you are not a bad player after one bad winter' | <a href="https://twitter.com/NHoultCricket?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NHoultCricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/azS9hcvihX">https://t.co/azS9hcvihX</a></p>— Telegraph Cricket (@telecricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/telecricket/status/1035623160530567169?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">31 August 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Really proud of you Moeen Ali on your performance :) <br><br>14 Overs 1Maiden 53 runs 5Wickets <br><br>last three overs:<br><br>Dot Dot Wicket Dot 4 Dot<br>1 Dot Wicket 1 Dot Dot<br>1 Dot Dot Dot Wicket Wicket<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/runs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#runs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/wickets?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#wickets</a> &#55357;&#56399;&#55356;&#57339;&#55357;&#56397;&#55356;&#57339; <a href="https://twitter.com/englandcricket?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@englandcricket</a> &#55356;&#57295; <a href="https://t.co/AGM3VOCp8n">pic.twitter.com/AGM3VOCp8n</a></p>— Saqlain Mushtaq (@Saqlain_Mushtaq) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saqlain_Mushtaq/status/1035619443412488192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">31 August 2018</a></blockquote>
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